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Quoting Beatyair (Reply 3): The long take off must be that big extra fuel tank in the belly. Boeing sure pushed the limits of that one. My guess is that Delta sees that and bought the A321. |
Quoting Vctony (Reply 5): I'm sure that DL is happy with the economics of the 739ERs and simply purchased the A321s as they got a better deal from Airbus. |
Quoting SEPilot (Reply 6): The A321 also carries more passengers, and has longer range than the 739ER |
Quoting SEPilot (Reply 6): The A321 also carries more passengers, and has longer range than the 739ER. I would assume that the 739ER offers slightly better economics on routes that it can handle, but the A321 (especially the ER) is more capable. |
Quoting Max752 (Reply 1): I'm actually sitting in 1A onboard one of Alaska Air's 739ERs. |
Quoting Max752 (Reply 1): Though it took forever to get airborne, it was one of the smoothest and quietest takeoffs I've ever experienced. |
Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 4): "Flex". Did you notice an increase in engine sound about a minute after takeoff? |
Quoting Stitch (Reply 12): Quoting Beatyair (Reply 3): Boeing sure pushed the limits of that one. My guess is that Delta sees that and bought the A321. Delta has almost 50% more 737-900ERs in the fleet and on order than A321-200s (120 to 82) and as noted wanted even more, so they must find the frame acceptable. |
Quoting 777x (Thread starter): Once we were in the air, there were really loud and strong vibrations which lasted until the wheels were up. Was that because the wheels were spinning at one of their natural frequencies? If so, is that any sort of safety issue? |
Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 14): I assume the A321 started out at Delta for a niche not covered by the 737-900ER and will be growing into a bigger role than anticipated with the follow on orders. |
Quoting flyboy80 (Reply 13): How long are the takeoff rolls typically in distance compared to an A321 or 738? Is it mostly do to a higher rotate speed and limited initial rotation angle, or is the actual capability in terms of thrust to weight ratio significantly less? |
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 9): One of the reasons for a longer takeoff roll also has to do with the subtle change in nose-up attitude at rotation to prevent a tail strike; you pitch up gently, gain some altitude, then pitch up a bit more. |
Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 2): Keep in mind that pilots have the option to use less than max power for a take off run. That may result in a long long roll before lift off but saves wear and tear on the engines and is quieter. As always, its at the captain's discretion. |
Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 14): The 737-900 ER is a single 120 frame order from 24-Aug-2011. |
Quoting 135mech (Reply 19): It is also why Icelandair is not buying them and why they are NOT a viable replacement for the 757s. KEF runways aren't long enough to compensate for this need. |
Quoting prebennorholm (Reply 22): But Icelandair bought seven 739MAX. With their nominal range of some 3000+ nmi they are perfect for KEF's not so long, but certainly neither hot or high, runways, taking off at (almost) MZFW plus fuel for 1000 - 1500nmi sectors to Europe (GLA, OSL, CPH, LHR, AMS, CDG, FRA etc.) |
Quoting caljn (Reply 21): I've got no issue with the 739 and don't understand much of the criticism. |
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 24): Yeah, try having a 739 without one. You'll be pleading for the mid-cabin lav in no time. |
Quoting 135mech (Reply 23): Yes they did, but it's the 739MAX and not the 739ER, and that was much more recently |
Quoting 135mech (Reply 23): They have other 737's for the european routes since they don't need the range to get to the west that the 757's do. |
Quoting prebennorholm (Reply 28): No, Icelandair has no 737's. They have 757's and 767's and nothing else. |
Quoting asteriskceo (Reply 29): Listen—where there's smoke, there's fire. The -900 is hated by PAX and cabin crew, but it is loved by bean counters. We're living in a bean counting world these day—the days of the Luxury Liner are over. To hell with passenger/crew comfort, right? By that metric, the -900 is a success. |
Quoting prebennorholm (Reply 22): But Icelandair bought seven 739MAX. |
Quoting calpsafltskeds (Reply 11): I would think an increase in thrust after takeoff may be at ATC's request to climb or speed up. |
Quoting asteriskceo (Reply 29): The -900 is hated by PAX and cabin crew, but it is loved by bean counters. We're living in a bean counting world these day |
Quoting SEPilot (Reply 6): The A321 also carries more passengers, and has longer range than the 739ER. I would assume that the 739ER offers slightly better economics on routes that it can handle, but the A321 (especially the ER) is more capable. Where an airline has as many types as DL it probably makes sense to have both; where they want only one and the 739ER does everything they need, it is the logical choice. If they want more capacity or need better performance (hot & high, shorter runways) then the choice would be the A321. |
Quoting STT757 (Reply 37): DL is dedicating their new A321s to short hops like ATL-MCO while their 739s are flying longer trans-con segments. I think I read DL was also going to send the 739s to Hawaii from the West Coast. |
Quoting 777x (Thread starter): Please feel free to comment on your experiences on the 739ER... |
Quoting calpsafltskeds (Reply 38): Take off Roll (Seems to be most important to A Net members) Longer on 739 - does the average passenger care? |
Quoting calpsafltskeds (Reply 38): does the average passenger care? |
Quoting holzmann (Reply 35): We never thought we'd make it and the long takeoff roll on the only open runway in blizzard conditions took forever and getting off the ground felt like a miracle. Probably was. |
Quoting calpsafltskeds (Reply 38): (AS has only 16F, no E+, but more Y pitch & 3 aft lavs) |
Quoting bgm (Reply 42): My biggest gripe with all the 737 models is just how narrower the cabin is compared to the A32X or Embraers. You can definitely feel a difference in the seat width, especially if your seat neighbor is on the large side. |
Quoting fpetrutiu (Reply 45): I call that BS. It is definitely not narrower than the Embraer. |
Quoting fpetrutiu (Reply 45): It is narrower than the A32X but not by a noticeable margin. |
Quoting flyabr (Reply 46): an inch wider seat is definitely noticeable IMO... |
Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 47): That is a lot. It is entirely noticeable. |