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United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 29

Sat Apr 30, 2016 11:16 pm

Please continue the previous discussion here.

United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 28 (by KarelXWB Feb 22 2016 in Civil Aviation)
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 29

Sat Apr 30, 2016 11:36 pm

Will the new 737-700s have better performance than the 90s build ones due to PIPs? These new ones will have close to 20 years of improvements over the old ones CO took during the early days of the 737NG.
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 29

Sun May 01, 2016 1:03 am

Quoting UA444 (Reply 1):
Will the new 737-700s have better performance than the 90s build ones due to PIPs? These new ones will have close to 20 years of improvements over the old ones CO took during the early days of the 737NG.

Any improvements in performance would also be able to be incorporated into the older aircraft. The only thing not economically viable, now at least, would be to upgrade the interiors on the sCO 73Gs to Boeing Sky Interiors.
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 29

Sun May 01, 2016 7:13 am

Quoting STT757 (Reply 2):
Any improvements in performance would also be able to be incorporated into the older aircraft. The only thing not economically viable, now at least, would be to upgrade the interiors on the sCO 73Gs to Boeing Sky Interiors.

No.
The aerodynamic improvement package, which included the CFM56-7BE engines, the revised red beacon lenses, and the reintroduction of louvered A/C pack exhausts, is not available as a retrofit kit.
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 29

Sun May 01, 2016 3:02 pm

319:
N830UA exited LCQ 2151/29Apr with New F east/ISP in F/E+
N845UA entered LCQ 2150/28Apr

320:
N461UA exited LCQ 2135/30Apr, no sign of ISP

763:
N651UA entered MIA 2124/29Apr
N671UA exited MIA 2193/29Apr

764:
N76062 exited CWF 2138/30Apr
N76064 entred CWF 2137/30Apr

772:
N57016 exited HKG 2162/1May

E175:
N154SY has been delivered to Skywest

E170:
N655RW has transferred to the Republic certificate

[Edited 2016-05-01 08:03:32]

[Edited 2016-05-01 08:04:00]
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 29

Sun May 01, 2016 11:46 pm

I just flew a very old looking 737-700 from EWR to Denver. I was in First, paid. The seat was the ancient CO F seat, but in really poor condition, as was the lavatory. It did have split scimitars and shiny clean exterior.

What is United planning to do with these old birds? Are they going to get updated interiors?
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 29

Mon May 02, 2016 12:20 am

We all believed that UA ordered more 73G's because the C-Series was unproven and with low sales, might not have indefinite support, and of course because Boeing gave them an incredible price.

However, with DL now ordering some, those first two points aren't as true as before. Any chance they'll re-examine, or did those 73G's fill all of UA's lower seat growth plans?
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 29

Mon May 02, 2016 12:22 am

Quoting cosyr (Reply 6):

They will need more Narrowbodies and will want to eventually grow the UAX 76 seater fleet and in order to do that, they will have to order a new small narrobody, either being the C-series, E2, or 717, which isn't an option.
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 29

Mon May 02, 2016 12:24 am

Quoting VC10er (Reply 5):
I just flew a very old looking 737-700 from EWR to Denver. I was in First, paid. The seat was the ancient CO F seat, but in really poor condition, as was the lavatory. It did have split scimitars and shiny clean exterior.

The F seats will be replaced eventually with the new ones.
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 29

Mon May 02, 2016 1:04 am

Quoting cosyr (Reply 6):
We all believed that UA ordered more 73G's because the C-Series was unproven and with low sales, might not have indefinite support, and of course because Boeing gave them an incredible price.

From what I have readt that is not what UA said, from the various articles and sources I have seen/read (like quarterly management call) they said they ordered the -700's because the cost to add a new fleet type was too expensive when including the acquisition costs. So essentially, because they got such a good deal from Boeing the additional costs of training, spare parts, etc for the C-series became too much to cover the reduced cost of operating and the potential benefits of adding more 76seat planes in now.

Does that mean that calculation will always be tipped in Boeing's favor Nope, but it also means that for UA to buy the C-series they have to order about the same number as DL to make it make sense.
With the additions of the new 700's they now have some flexibility to not have to make that decisions for a few years. They can see how the plane really does in-services and watch how DL usese them.
We never know the C-series could turn into the next 717 or it could be the next A320 (all be it for different size markets), just using this as an example of number of units actually sold, not number of seats  
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 29

Mon May 02, 2016 5:04 am

739:
N75525 & N34460 were both damaged in AUS 4/30 after windstorm. Will monitor their progress.

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Updated 5/1/16
>>>>PAINT United - Mainline COMPLETED = ALL 716
A319 (55/55) - A320 (97/97)[475 UA Retro]
B73G (40/40) [3720 Star] - B738 (130/130) [3210/3516 Star] - B739A sCO (12/12) - B739E (130/130) [sCO 66/sUA 64 - [3432 eco-skies, 3848 March of Dimes]
B744 (22/22)
B752 (56/56)[sCO 41, sUA 15] [3120 Star]- B753 (sCO 21/21)
B763 (35/35) [653 Star] - B764 (16/16) [3055 Star]
B772 (74/74)[sUA 19A, 33ER, sCO 22][218/794/3017/3021/3022 Star - Star paint are all ER models]
B788 (12/12) - B789 (16/16)
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>>>>PAINT United Express - Express COMPLETED = 534 Express REMAINING = 1 (1 Express House)
CRJ-200 SkyWest (67/67*) COMPLETED (*Up to 12 other Skywest House units may float between AA/AS/DL/UA)
ERJ-135 ExpressJet (5/5) COMPLETED.
ERJ-145 ExpressJet [ex CO/UA] (89/89) COMPLETED.
ERJ-145 Trans States (5/5*) (*not included: 811HK-812HK Trans States House float AA/US/UA)
ERJ-145XR ExpressJet (74*/74*) COMPLETED. (*3 in prep to tranfer to Trans State)
ERJ-145XR Trans States (28/28) COMPLETED.
ERJ-145XR Commutair (2/2) COMPLETED.
ERJ-170 Shuttle America (27/28) (979RP Shuttle America House)
ERJ-170 Republic (10/10)
ERJ-175 Mesa (37/37) ALL NEW DELIVERIES.
ERJ-175 Sky West (42/42) ALL NEW DELIVERIES.
ERJ-175 Republic (16/16) ALL NEW DELIVERIES.
CRJ-700 GoJet (25/25) COMPLETED.
CRJ-700 Mesa (20/20) COMPLETED.
CRJ-700 SkyWest (64/64) COMPLETED.
Q200 CommutAir (16/16) COMPLETED.
Q300 CommutAir (5/5) COMPLETED.
ATR 42-320 Cape Air (2/2) COMPLETED.
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PAINT TOTALS: Mainline 716/716=100%, Express 534/535=99.6%, Combined 1250/1251=99.8%

Fleets Removed from UA Fleet
B1900D Silver Gulfstream, SAAB 340, EMB120 and Q400, sUA 752 domestic, 762, 735
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INTERIOR/EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS (ONGOING)

WiFi Installation: Mainline, 696 of 716 complete, 97.2%
COMPLETED:
A319 -(55/55): COMPLETED - SAT KU (WiFi Stream/PDE - 55/55)
A320 -(97/97): COMPLETED - SAT KU (WiFi stream/PDE - 97/97)
738 - (123/130*): COMPLETED - SAT KA (*Except GUM units 3293-3299)
739A- (12/12): COMPLETED - SAT KA
739E- (130/130): COMPLETED - SAT KA (New Units receiving WiFi prior to 1st Revenue flight)
744 - (22/22): COMPLETED - SAT KU (WiFi stream/PDE - 22/22)
752 - (56/56): COMPLETED gogo - All 15 p.s. units completed, SAT KU 3101-3141
763 - (35/35): COMPLETED - SAT KU
764 - (16/16): COMPLETED - SAT KU
772A- (19/19): COMPLETED - SAT KU: ITPE(10/10) Pacific: 9/9: (2515 lacks power)
772E- (55/55): COMPLETED - SAT KU
789 - (16/16): COMPLETED - SAT KU - 3950-3960 (All new deliveries come with Intl WiFi/PDE)
E170 - (38*/38): COMPLETED - gogo - (Shuttle America/Republic) *Per UA.com

IN PROCESS:
73G - (32/40): SAT KA - 3701-3707,3709-3711,3713-3722,3724,3728-3734,3750,3753-3754
753 - (20/21): 3858 without (WiFi Stream - 12/12 Non DTV aircraft)
788 - (8/12): SAT KU - 3901,3903-3904,3406,3909-3910,3912-3913
E175 - (80*/85): gogo - (Mesa/Skywest/Republic) *Per UA.com
C700 - (55*/109): gogo - (GoJet/Mesa/Skywest) *Per UA.com

737NG New Slimline Y seats: (177/272 = 63.2%)
B/E Aerospace Pinnacle for (738 16F/48E+/90Y=166)(739 20F/42E+/117Y=179 or 20F/39E+/120Y=179*)
738: (81/130) 3202-3203,3211-3218,3224-3225,3227-3230,3232,3234-3237,3240-3243,3246,3248-3250,3253-3256,3258-3280,3284-3290,3293-3299,3503,3507-3508,3512-3513,3517-3518,3524,3530
739A (2/12) 3401,3405
739E (94/130) 3413-3416*-3419,3426,3428,3430-3432,3234-3436,3440,3442,3443*-3444*,3446*,3451*-3452,3454*,3457*-3460*,3462*-3463*,3466*,3471*,3474*-3475*,3478*,3801*-3803*,3805*-3807*,3810*,3811-3849,3880-3894

737NG Split Scimitar Wingets (249/312 = 78.5%)
73G: (32/40): 3702-3707,3709,3711-3724,3726-3735,3750
738: (117/130): 3202,3206-3207,3211-3218,3222,3224-3225,3227-3232,3234-3244,3246,3248-3299,3501-3531
739A: (0/12)
739E: (94/130): 3413-3419,3424,3426,3428,3430-3432,3434-3437,3439-3444,3446,3448-3463,3466,3471,3474-3475,3478,3801-3803,3805-3807,3810-3849,3880-3894

A319/A320 New F Seats/In Seat Power (ISP) F/E+
319: (15/55): 807-810,822,824,826,828-830,844,848,840,852,854
320: (17/97): 420,422,424,426,443-444,454,457,464,467-468,474-477,485

New Hawaii Configuration for Select 772A aircraft - 32Business*/312Y (*7 across recliners)
B722A (9/9=100%) COMPLETED: 210-215,768,772,779 In-Seat Power: 8/9 COMPLETED: [215 in mod]
B772A (0/19) 2/16 start, 26BF lie flat/10 across Y - ten 3 class 772As to be converted/9 Hawaiians to get mod - 215 and 780 may both be in mod

763 2 Class mod for 21 arcraft: (other 14 complete)
B763 (3/21=9.5%) 653,661-662 Complete - - 658, 663 in HKG mod

110V Power
753 F/E+: 11/12 TZ build: 3863 remaining w/o ISP

COMPLETED MODIFICATION PROGRAMS

Guam 738/73G reassignment: (GUM now 11 vs. 12 units)
To GUM: 738s(7), 3293-3299- 73Gs(4), 3712,3723,3726-3727
From GUM: 738s(8), 3201,3227,3232,3235-3236,3240,3246,3249 73Gs(3), 3720,3734-3735 (WiFi/PDE)
GUM aircraft: scimitars, seatback looped IFE, no WiFi - 738s have slimline E+ 16F/42E+/104Y

sCO Economy Plus conversion - COMPLETED - 789; 788; 772; 764; 753; 752; 739A; 739E; 738; 73G.

744 In-Seat Power in Y (22/22)

New BusinessFirst Lie Flat Seats for former CO International fleet
B752 (41/41=100%) - B764 (16/16=100%) - B772 (22/22=100%) - 788 (12/12=100%)- 789 (11/11) TOTAL (102/102=100%)

753 ETOPS: (100%] CO Build (9/9) - TZ Build (12/12)

Airbus new interior bin doors - COMPLETED - (A319 55/55 N8xxUA) (A320 97/97 N4xxUA)

New Slimline Y seats: Recaro 3520 for (A319 8F/42E+/78Y=128) (A320 12F/42E+/96Y=150)
A319: (55/55) - A320: (97/97)

752: New ps Configuration (15/15=100%)- 502,505,510,512,518,546,568,587-590,595-598

New First & Business Seats for former United International Widebodies
B772(43/43=100%): - Complete (772A 10/10, 772ER 33/33)
B744 (23/23=100%) - Complete
B763 (21/21=100%) - Complete - B763 (14/14=100%)/[2 Cabin] - Complete
TOTAL INTL(101/101=100%)[exlcudes 9 HI/Dom aircraft]

DirecTV (Former CO aircraft) [*Not Counting Micronesia aircraft]
73G*- 28/32 [100%] *Not counting 4 Ex-Copa aircraft & 4 Micronesia with PTV
738*- 115/130 [88.5%] - 8 former Micronesian aircraft with PDE - 7 new Micronesian aircraft have PTV
739A- 12/12 [100%]
739E- 52/66 [78.8%] - Not Completed 3465-3478 - to get streaming WiFi/PDE
753 - 9/9 [100%] - Excl. 12 Hawaiian aircraft (Ex TZ build) with streaming WiFi/PDE(3860-3871)
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 29

Tue May 03, 2016 2:48 am

Updated 744 draw down schedule.

WFU per month / remaining fleet count
May16 1 (21)
Sep16 - 1 (20)
Jan17 - 1 (19)
Sep17 - 2 (17)
Oct17 - 1 (16)
Nov17 - 3 (13)
Dec17 - 1 (12)
Jan18 - 1 (11)
May18 - 2 (9)
Aug18 - 2 (7)
Sep18 - 2 (5)
Oct18 - 5 (0)

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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 29

Tue May 03, 2016 3:10 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11):
Updated 744 draw down schedule.

WFU per month / remaining fleet count
May16 1 (21)
Sep16 - 1 (20)
Jan17 - 1 (19)
Sep17 - 2 (17)

With 14 77Ws arriving by June 2017, that's a net gain of 11 widebodies by next summer, not counting any 789s that are mixed in. If there are no more Int'l routes added, that could mean a lot of new domestic lift with the converted 772As.  

Something United competitors have not seen in many years.
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 29

Tue May 03, 2016 9:02 am

Quoting VC10er (Reply 5):
What is United planning to do with these old birds? Are they going to get updated interiors?

My understanding is that anything not slated for near term retirement will eventually get the new signature seats, but I think the 737-700s have pretty much been soldiering on with the older seats while the Airbuses have gotten precedence because they were even more in need of an interior refresh and could benefit more from the slimline seats adding capacity.
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 29

Wed May 04, 2016 3:24 pm

In-seat power now on all domestic 777s, United has installed in-seat power outlets in all rows of United's domestic Boeing 777s.

United offers in-seat power in most of our mainline aircraft, with installations continuing on Airbus A319s and A320s.

United's domestic 777s are undergoing complete interior renovations starting this year but United didn’t want to wait for those renovations to offer power on those aircraft, which has been requested by many customers. United found a cost-effective and efficient way to add the power lines and outlets under the existing seating, making it possible for us to proceed without waiting for the new seating sets and their incorporated power systems.

[Edited 2016-05-04 08:30:24]
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 29

Thu May 05, 2016 1:49 pm

Quoting UA444 (Reply 8):

Last night I was on a flight from Denver to LaGuardia on a 757-300. I don't think I've been on the "flying bowling alley" since the merger. My business partner and I were in First and I was really surprised at how poorly maintained it was. Much like the old 737-700 on the way to Denver.

I have been happily surprised this past year (or more) at how clean United aircraft have been, but not these 2 trips!

The air nozzles were so FILTHY I wouldn't touch them, the headrest was broken, the vent panel by the floor had fallen off and a Smisek half cashew on the floor
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 29

Thu May 05, 2016 1:57 pm

319:
N823UA exited LCQ 2153/4May, no sign of ISP
N835UA exited LCQ 2195/4May, no sign of ISP
N847UA entered LCQ 2153/3May

320:
N428UA sked to exit LCQ 2149/6May, no sign of ISP
N489UA entered LCQ 2138/4May

738:
N12238 exited INT 2134/4May with slimlines/scimitars

739:
N75425 entered HOU 2139/4May after wind damage in HOU (wing/scimitar damage when hit jetway)
N34460 entered HOU 2189/1May, sked to exit HOU 2147/5May after AUS wind damage 4/30

763:
N643UA exited MIA 2142/2May
N668UA entered CWF 2150/4May
N675UA exited CWF 2151/4May

764:
N76064 sked to exit CWF 2191/5May

CR700:
N776SK has left the fleet, now flying for American Eagle

E145:
N854HK has left the fleet
N856HK is in STL for fleet exit prep
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 29

Sun May 08, 2016 2:14 pm

320:
N455UA entered LCQ 2148/5May
N478UA exited LCQ 2138/8May, no sign of ISP

738:
N12238 exited INT 2134/4May with slimlines/scimitars

739:
N38424 sked to enter INT2125/5May for slimlines/scimitars
N27421 sked to exit INT 2126/6May with slimlines/scimitars
N66808 entered INT 2134/6May for slimlines/scimitars
N64809 exited INT 2196/6May with slimlines/scimitars

763:
N656UA entered MIA 2150/26Apr
N667UA exited MCN 2195/6May

772:
N209UA exited HKG 2159/7May

E170:
N639RW - Transferred to the Republic certificate

Additional confirmed UAX aircraft with GoGo Wifi and PDE:

GoJet CR7: 162, 167, 168, 169, 172, 175
Mesa CR7: 502, 505, 508, 510, 511, 513, 519, 521
Skywest E175: 152, 153, 154
Republic E175: 726, 727, 728, 729, 730

[Edited 2016-05-08 07:15:29]
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 29

Sun May 08, 2016 9:38 pm

Are there any plans to retrofit the remaining 3-class 763s? Y is flat out embarrassing, and even C (which I was just in from LHR-ORD yesterday) is looking very tired.
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 29

Sun May 08, 2016 9:48 pm

Quoting panam330 (Reply 18):

All remaining 3 class 763s are slated to be converted into the 2 class config. A few are already done. Not sure what the timeline is for completion but it's ongoing.
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 29

Sun May 08, 2016 11:31 pm

Quoting VC10er (Reply 15):

Quoting UA444 (Reply 8):

Last night I was on a flight from Denver to LaGuardia on a 757-300. I don't think I've been on the "flying bowling alley" since the merger. My business partner and I were in First and I was really surprised at how poorly maintained it was. Much like the old 737-700 on the way to Denver.

I have been happily surprised this past year (or more) at how clean United aircraft have been, but not these 2 trips!

The air nozzles were so FILTHY I wouldn't touch them, the headrest was broken, the vent panel by the floor had fallen off and a Smisek half cashew on the floor

I was on a 753 SFO-MCO and found it in the same condition. There has been a marked decline the interiors in past few years. I had never seen a (PM)CO a/c in such poor condition before.
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 29

Mon May 09, 2016 12:25 am

Quoting panam330 (Reply 18):
Are there any plans to retrofit the remaining 3-class 763s? Y is flat out embarrassing, and even C (which I was just in from LHR-ORD yesterday) is looking very tired.

As DualQual said, they will all be retrofitted, I believe by the end of the year. They're being converted to two-class, receiving new 777 style bins and sidewalls (the Boeing Signature interior), carpet, CO-style J seats, and new Y seats, along with winglets. They'll look brand new inside and out. They're shameful in their current state because they've been neglected for far too long, but at least they'll all be upgraded in the very near future.
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 29

Mon May 09, 2016 12:54 am

Quoting tpaewr (Reply 20):
I was on a 753 SFO-MCO and found it in the same condition. There has been a marked decline the interiors in past few years. I had never seen a (PM)CO a/c in such poor condition before.

I don't think that's necessarily true. Most 737s that I've been on, especially the 739s with the new seats, have been in great shape. The only thing that feels old about some of them are the seats with the CO-style checkerboard pattern from the 90s. The Airbuses are fine, though I hate those slimlines more than the 737 ones. I haven't set foot on a UA widebody in a long time, so I can't comment on that front.
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 29

Mon May 09, 2016 10:50 am

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 21):
As DualQual said, they will all be retrofitted, I believe by the end of the year.

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16 to go so not sure if that is the end of the year or not since it's been taking 2++ months per unit.

Agreed, the most needed refurb in the fleet.
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 29

Mon May 09, 2016 11:17 am

Quoting VC10er (Reply 15):

There is a plan to reconfigure the 753s with slimline seats, and I assume these aircraft will get the new first class seats and interior treatment so hopefully that will improve the condition. The ex ATA 753s seems to be the worse for wear of the fleet.

New configuration - 24 F, 40 E+, 167Y - 231 total.
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 29

Mon May 09, 2016 11:41 am

I can echo the sentiments about the 757-300. Was on two of them yesterday (first one went mechanical). Both were clean, but the overall condition was definitely not shiny. I was surprised because one was a 2006 entry into the fleet from TZ, so less than 10 years on the interior but looked about 15 or 20.
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 29

Mon May 09, 2016 11:51 am

Quoting mmahpeel (Reply 24):
New configuration - 24 F, 40 E+, 167Y - 231 total.

Pretty light on E+, no? Tied for the same # as a 73G. Wow.
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 29

Mon May 09, 2016 12:07 pm

Quoting fun2fly (Reply 26):


Pretty light on E+, no? Tied for the same # as a 73G. Wow.

E+ cabins on many a/c have been shrinking with the slimline mods...
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 29

Mon May 09, 2016 12:32 pm

With regards to the 757-300s, is the reports of the fleet falling into neglect a bit have to do with how they're deployed? Right now they are mostly based on the West Coast doing LAX/SFO-Hawaii with BOS and some other routes thrown in. Do they do maintenance on these aircraft in SFO or LAX? Or do they rotate them to MCO, EWR or IAH?
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 29

Mon May 09, 2016 12:40 pm

Quoting jetmatt777 (Reply 25):
I was surprised because one was a 2006 entry into the fleet from TZ, so less than 10 years on the interior but looked about 15 or 20.

I was on one of those TZ planes about a year after they came to CO, and I remember it being different than the original CO 753's. Even then it was in rougher shape and I think the only thing CO did was change the seat covers to match and move the seats to match the CO seating arrangement. So really, that interior is older than 10 years, at least in some ways.

The thing I found most odd was it had the shortest seat belts I had ever had on a plane. I noticed it and a guy across the aisle had to embarrassingly ask for a seatbelt extension, clearly for the first time in his life. I felt really bad, because, while large, I wouldn't have described him as obese. Hopefully those have been replaced.

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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 29

Mon May 09, 2016 8:22 pm

I would venture a guess that the E+ cabin on the 753 is shrinking because they're primarily deployed on leisure routes. I'm surprised they're sticking with 24F, but I guess that shrinking the F cabin would create a weird random mini E+ cabin unless more significant mods were done (e.g. moving the lav and galley). The fact that they're deployed on leisure routes probably also explains the declining condition. I would venture a guess that these issues are remedied within the next two years though.
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 29

Mon May 09, 2016 11:40 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 28):
Do they do maintenance on these aircraft in SFO or LAX? Or do they rotate them to MCO, EWR or IAH?

You can figure out who's doing the fixing, or not fixing, by what you just wrote.
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 29

Tue May 10, 2016 5:19 am

319:
N831UA entered LCQ 2125/9May
N845UA sked to exit LCQ 2126/10May, no sign of ISP

739:
N37420 entered INT 2154/8May

744:
N118UA entered XMN 2132/8May

763:
N655UA entered MCN 2145/8May

764:
N66057 entered CWF 2131/7May

772:
N215UA exited XMN 2131/8May, disappointed as no ISP shown on 3+ week visit, also thought this unit could have been in for lie flat/10Y across mod, but not.

788:
N26902 entered PVG 2130/7May for Wifi/PDE/Performance upgrades
N45905 rumored to exit PVG 11May with Wifi/PDE/Perf upgrades (no flight shown)
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 29

Tue May 10, 2016 10:49 am

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 30):
I'm surprised they're sticking with 24F

I think it is also because they're still used heavily on hub to hub. I don't know if that will stay true once the 77A's come back stateside.
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 29

Tue May 10, 2016 2:02 pm

Are there any updates on the conversion and usage plans for the 19 777-200s? I have been checking UA schedules periodically but haven't found any seatmaps with the 10-across layout this summer. It looks like there are domestic-configured 777s on the following routes: GUM-NRT, HNL-GUM, HNL-SFO, HNL-LAX, HNL-DEN, HNL-IAH, HNL-ORD, ORD-SFO. However, these appear to be on the existing domestic fleet pre-conversion.
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 29

Tue May 10, 2016 2:06 pm

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 30):
I'm surprised they're sticking with 24F

They were originally configured with 12F. But FF outcry forced them to 24F. Which does make for a more realistic F to Y ratio.
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 29

Tue May 10, 2016 2:20 pm

Quoting B737900ER (Reply 35):
They were originally configured with 12F. But FF outcry forced them to 24F. Which does make for a more realistic F to Y ratio.

IIRC, original configuration was 24F/186Y, which became 12F/204Y, then 24F/192Y, to 24F/189Y with E+.
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 29

Tue May 10, 2016 6:04 pm

Quoting B737900ER (Reply 35):
They were originally configured with 12F. But FF outcry forced them to 24F. Which does make for a more realistic F to Y ratio.

Unless they flew around a few former TZ 753's with 12F until they could be reconfigured, I do not ever remember a time when CO had 12F in it. When are you referring to?
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 29

Tue May 10, 2016 6:08 pm

Quoting cosyr (Reply 37):
Unless they flew around a few former TZ 753's with 12F until they could be reconfigured, I do not ever remember a time when CO had 12F in it. When are you referring to?


The 757-300s were reconfigured to a 12F cabin briefly in the 2005-2006 timeframe. At the time, CO was using the 753 primarily on leisure routes like EWR/IAH-MCO/FLL/LAS. I think by Spring 2006, Larry admitted it was a mistake and the 24F cabins were restored.
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 29

Wed May 11, 2016 2:08 pm

319:
N831UA entered LCQ 2125/9May
N845UA sked to exit LCQ 2126/10May with ISP F/E+/new F seats

73G:
N24736 exited INT 2120/9May with WiFi/scimitras, PDE soon

738:
N27239 entered INT 2143/8May, for slimlines

739:
N37420 entered INT 2154/8May - for slimlines/scimitars

744:
N118UA entered XMN 2132/8May
N178UA exited XMN 2133/10May

753:
N75868 sked to exit MIA 2193/11May with WiFi, completed 753 WiFi installs

763:
N655UA entered MCN 2145/8May
N668UA exited CWF 2128/10May

764:
N66057 entered CWF 2131/7May

772:
N215UA exited XMN 2131/8May, disappointed as no ISP shown, thought this unit could have been in for lie flat/10Y across mod.

788:
N26902 entered PVG 2130/7May for WiFi/PDE/performance improvements
N45905 exited PVG 2142/11May with WiFi/PDE/performance improvements
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 29

Fri May 13, 2016 6:07 pm

Quoting FSDan (Reply 34):
Are there any updates on the conversion and usage plans for the 19 777-200s? I have been checking UA schedules periodically but haven't found any seatmaps with the 10-across layout this summer. It looks like there are domestic-configured 777s on the following routes: GUM-NRT, HNL-GUM, HNL-SFO, HNL-LAX, HNL-DEN, HNL-IAH, HNL-ORD, ORD-SFO. However, these appear to be on the existing domestic fleet pre-conversion.

First ship N780UA maintenance exit has been delayed. Its still in HKG. I'm hearing June now for service entry.
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 29

Sat May 14, 2016 4:46 am

319:
N831UA entered LCQ 2125/9May
N845UA sked to exit LCQ 2126/10May, no sign of ISP
N847UA sked to exit LCQ 2124/14May, can't see if ISP onboard

320:
N430UA sked to exit LCQ 2144/12May with ISP F/E+/New F seats
N471UA sked to enter LCQ 2144/21May
N475UA entered LCQ 2123/13May

739:
N37420 entered INT 2154/8May for slimlines/scimitars

763:
N656UA exited MIA 2142/12May

764:
N66057 entered CWF 2131/7May, sked to exit 2130/14May
N78060 entered CWF 2135/11May

772: N215UA exited XMN 2131/8May, aircraft reported with ISP, completing 772 ISP program
772 10 across seating plan now posted on UA.com. 26F/102E+/234Y = 364 total seats

https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/travel/inflight/aircraft/777/200/v6.aspx (copy & paste link to see)
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 29

Sat May 14, 2016 6:38 am

Quoting calpsafltskeds (Reply 41):
772 10 across seating plan now posted on UA.com. 26F/102E+/234Y = 364 total seats

https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/travel/inflight/aircraft/777/200/v6.aspx (copy & paste link to see)


Thanks for posting this -- it is fascinating to finally see the new seat-map.

It appears that UA will retain the IPTE lie-flat seats, backward and forward facing, for the new 28-seat F cabin -- and that those will be the only ones having AVOD personal video screens. Y will be PDE only, although there could still be bulkhead-mounted screens in Coach, I imagine.

The Galley / closet space at L1/R1 has been reduced, with new bulkheads/dividers fronting row 1, while the Galley Complex between the #2 doors has been moved forward a bit, and the one at the back of the cabin has also been reduced in size -- all in line with the new mission for this version.

The Lav next to L4 has been deleted. Still, this looks like enough Lavs for everyone, especially with one remaining at R4, three between doors L3-R3, two just forward of L2-R2, and another two at the front of First.

Y+ is 35" pitch and Y is 31", all being 10-abreast, with an eye-popping 102 Y+.

It looks like a lot of interior work and module rearrangement needed to be done. I wonder what the new Y cabin will look like, what with new seats and all.

This aircraft is intended for Domestic U.S., Hawaii, and Guam-Japan use only -- I say this only because some might think UA will use it on routes currently served by Int'l frames with F/J and AVOD throughout all cabins.

For the markets it is intended for, I think this new configuration will be a winner for United, and we will finally see 777s again regularly flying Domestic skies, hub to hub -- think back to the days when DC10s and 772As flew between UA domestic cities! This will allow narrowbodies to be deployed on other routes.

Excluding, of course, P.S. EWR-SFO/LAX service, which will remain on Int'l-configured 757s, 777s, and possibly 763s.

Don't worry, anyone -- P.S. and Mainland-Int'l routes will not be getting this new "Version 5" of the 772.

Cheers!

[Edited 2016-05-13 23:52:54]
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 29

Sat May 14, 2016 7:46 am

Quoting Schweigend (Reply 42):
This aircraft is intended for Domestic U.S., Hawaii, and Guam-Japan use only -- I say this only because some might think UA will use it on routes currently served by Int'l frames with F/J and AVOD throughout all cabins.

I thought there was some rumor that these planes could end up on some low yield ORD/EWR/IAD-TATL runs...? It would suck overall, but at least there would be lie flat seats in C.
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 29

Sat May 14, 2016 8:01 am

Quoting intotheair (Reply 43):
I thought there was some rumor that these planes could end up on some low yield ORD/EWR/IAD-TATL runs...? It would suck overall, but at least there would be lie flat seats in C.

Rumours perhaps from those not in the know -- but UA has no intention of deploying this version of the 772 on TATL runs.

I can only picture such a thing happening in an emergency substitution -- very unlikely, all things considered!

These will be seen on Domestic runs, also Hawaii, and the Japan-HI-GUM routes.
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 29

Sat May 14, 2016 11:42 am

Quoting calpsafltskeds (Reply 41):
772 10 across seating plan now posted on UA.com. 26F/102E+/234Y = 364 total seats

Sorry if this has already been asked and answered. Is there a list of which ship numbers will be converted to this layout?
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 29

Sat May 14, 2016 12:20 pm

Quoting Schweigend (Reply 42):
Y+ is 35" pitch and Y is 31", all being 10-abreast, with an eye-popping 102 Y+

102 chairs with 35" pitch is nice. I'm wondering how having 336 seats in coach, on a domestic run, will work with overhead space.

People don't check near as many bags on domestic runs and this could lead to a LOT of gate checking delays at departure time unless the gate agents are super pro-active in identifying problem bags early on. Otherwise, the bags that don't fit will end up being lugged upstream to the front of the plane from row 50 when the doors are closing.
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 29

Sat May 14, 2016 1:54 pm

All 772A aircraft to be converted.
Current Intl units (10) - thanks Schweigend for details on mod conversion
N769UA
N771UA
N773UA
N774UA
N775UA
N776UA
N777UA
N778UA
N780UA - Entered HKG mod 3/13/16
N781UA

Current Domestic/Pacific/GUM units (9)
Would be an easier mod converstion - F section remove small closets - Y 2-5-2 to 3-4-3, differnent lavs (if there 2 vesrions, maybe no change to lavs, but lavs at Row 33 probably too wide to match 3-4-3 layout)
N210UA
N211UA
N212UA
N213UA
N214UA
N215UA
N768UA
N772UA
N779UA

This increases fleet from 9 to 19. I think 2-3 will be for extra Hawaiian-WC service, leaving 7-8 for domestic. I don't think it's impossible they will be used on EWR-LAX or EWR-SFO, but would expect the only routes to be considered would be (order of my expectation) ORD-SFO, DEN-SFO, IAD-SFO, DEN-LAX, ORD-DEN, ORD-LAX, IAD-LAX, IAH-SFO, IAH-LAX, DEN-IAH.
There was discussion on this thread that these units could be used on peak summer low premium TATL routes like EWR-BCN.
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 29

Sat May 14, 2016 2:41 pm

Quoting Schweigend (Reply 42):
The Lav next to L4 has been deleted. Still, this looks like enough Lavs for everyone, especially with one remaining at R4, three between doors L3-R3, two just forward of L2-R2, and another two at the front of First.

I disagree, more than 50 Y pax per lav is like flying a CR7 for a 6 hour pacific flight. Sure the 2 in the front will be fine for J, especially, because half of them will probably not realize the lavs are up there, and will use the 2 in the back, adding even more pressure on the Y cabin.
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 29

Sat May 14, 2016 3:13 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 40):
First ship N780UA maintenance exit has been delayed. Its still in HKG. I'm hearing June now for service entry.

Maintenance should be done by the 18th of May. Waiting for STC.
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