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Do Airports Close During Runway Reconstruction?

Sun May 01, 2016 8:00 am

I remember reading something about how SAN's runway will eventually be rebuilt and started wondering: is it possible for airports with only one runway to stay open while that's happening? By "stay open" I mean have normal flight operations during the day and have X amount of the runway be rebuilt during overnight hours (in the case of SAN, 23:30-06:30).

Otherwise, how long would the airport need to be closed to accomplish that?
 
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RE: Do Airports Close During Runway Reconstruction?

Sun May 01, 2016 8:22 am

There's more than one answer.

In some cases, a taxiway has been used as the runway. In other cases, yes, runway closures have lead to short term airport closures.

I read recently that RDM will close for about 3 weeks in May as the intersection of the two runways is reconstructed (two runways that intersect in the middle like an X).
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RE: Do Airports Close During Runway Reconstruction?

Sun May 01, 2016 8:26 am

Happened to MAN from 1979 to 1981 - a decision to apply for planning permission for a 2nd runway back then was postponed in favour of a resurfacing the runway whilst extending it by 800 feet. Total closure of the runway over the summer months from 23:00 to 07:00 for 6 nights a week.
 
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RE: Do Airports Close During Runway Reconstruction?

Sun May 01, 2016 8:27 am

Metz-Nancy Airport (ETZ) in France was recently closed for 6 weeks (March-mid April) due to runway works

http://www.air-journal.fr/2016-01-19...nde-part-a-luxembourg-5156770.html
 
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RE: Do Airports Close During Runway Reconstruction?

Sun May 01, 2016 8:32 am

Not normally. Typically other runway/s pick up the slack or a taxiway is upgraded to a temporary runway standard.
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RE: Do Airports Close During Runway Reconstruction?

Sun May 01, 2016 8:50 am

They often do a bit at a time with a displaced threshold and move along. A lot of work is done a night and disruption is kept to a minimum as the airport derives its income from its customers. Closure is a last resort.
 
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RE: Do Airports Close During Runway Reconstruction?

Sun May 01, 2016 8:51 am

I believe FRA once did a runway in stages, it was done at night so the runway could be used during the day.

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RE: Do Airports Close During Runway Reconstruction?

Sun May 01, 2016 8:55 am

A bit of a different situation, but on 24th of desember from 15:00 to 25th of desember 11:00-12:00, OSL airport in Oslo, Norway will be closed. because of the uppgrade in new builds at the airport, the airport will during this period close the airport to hold a full scale test of new equipments and systems.

http://www.nrk.no/ostlandssendingen/...n-skal-stenge-julehelga-1.12919893
 
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RE: Do Airports Close During Runway Reconstruction?

Sun May 01, 2016 8:55 am

Obviously they try not to close, but sometimes is not possible to do otherwise.

I remember few years ago we used to operate in SDQ, Las americas, using the Taxiway for landing and take off while they were fixing an issue in the runway, I think some cracks.

Other places I can remember they close part of the runway for work, so they displace the threshold and reduce the distances, some airlines can't operate and some other have weight restrictions.

Also the most common method is closing the runway during low utilisation periods like during the night or during night curfew, for example from 11 pm to 5 am, NBO was doing this until few days ago, the runway is closed in the night, re open at 6 am, TK has to reschedule the flight, and some other flights, but the vast majority can continue as normal.

Quoting tmiw (Thread starter):
Otherwise, how long would the airport need to be closed to accomplish that?

In Dubai they rebuild completely a runways in 35 days I think, but I think that one was very quick job.
 
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RE: Do Airports Close During Runway Reconstruction?

Sun May 01, 2016 8:55 am

Don't know what happened, and now I can't edit.

Here is a link to the story.

http://goo.gl/go3jR5

They renovated 15 meters per night for 300 nights while keeping the runway open for traffic during the day.

Apparently Airliners doesn't like NY Times.
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RE: Do Airports Close During Runway Reconstruction?

Sun May 01, 2016 9:58 am

Eindhoven will be closed between 30/05 and 15/06 for runway maintenance.

Wizz Air will divert operations to Maastricht. Transavia will increase operations from Amsterdam and Rotterdam.
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RE: Do Airports Close During Runway Reconstruction?

Sun May 01, 2016 11:03 am

SAN did some runway work about 15 years ago. IIRC, the airport would close each night around 11:00 pm and stay closed until 6:30 am.

I remember flying PIT-SAN one time on US and because of some weather issues upline, our aircraft was delayed about two hours and would not make the arrival cutoff.

It was then rescheduled to LAX and buses would take passengers from LAX to SAN.
 
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RE: Do Airports Close During Runway Reconstruction?

Sun May 01, 2016 11:22 am

Ten years ago or so, AKL transformed a taxiway to runway in order to rebuilt the 'main' runway. Two decades ago I remember reading that at STR, in order to rebuilt and lengthen their runway flights were operated during several weeks with only regional jets departing from the parallel taxiway that was transformed into a runway for the occasion.
 
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RE: Do Airports Close During Runway Reconstruction?

Sun May 01, 2016 12:37 pm

LGA closes almost every night for runway maintenance, midnight to 6am. Last year they installed new in pavement runway
lighting..
 
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RE: Do Airports Close During Runway Reconstruction?

Sun May 01, 2016 12:51 pm

RWY14/32 in ZRH was repaired last summer and they used to work on that during the night ban. Each night they managed to complete around 100-300m and reopened the runway before the first planes were arriving again.
 
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RE: Do Airports Close During Runway Reconstruction?

Sun May 01, 2016 12:55 pm

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 4):
Not normally. Typically other runway/s pick up the slack or a taxiway is upgraded to a temporary runway standard.

AVL recently built a new parallel taxiway which is now serving as a temporary runway for the next two years while the existing runway is being rebuilt.
 
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RE: Do Airports Close During Runway Reconstruction?

Sun May 01, 2016 1:16 pm

Its usual practice for busy airports to resurface or even rebuild runways overnight in stages.
If you look on youtube there are a number of time lapse videos of how its done.

Lots of road planers, surfacing machines and rollers and an onsite tarmac plant.
 
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RE: Do Airports Close During Runway Reconstruction?

Sun May 01, 2016 1:35 pm

Back in the 90's, Kalispell and Helena had had runway work done.

I am not sure the specifics for Kalispell but they allowed Delta to run a 757 on the morning FCA-HLN-SLC run and opposite at night for daytime work. (Usually a 72S) I now want to look back at what NWA did in Kalispell during this time.

In Helena they redid a major taxiway and took a hump out of the middle of 9/27. They used Taxiway Alpha as the main runway. Delta had Skywest flying EMB-120s from SLC with no night time ops. I believe Horizon was still operating Metro III's.
 
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RE: Do Airports Close During Runway Reconstruction?

Sun May 01, 2016 3:29 pm

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 12):
Ten years ago or so, AKL transformed a taxiway to runway in order to rebuilt the 'main' runway. Two decades ago I remember reading that at STR, in order to rebuilt and lengthen their runway flights were operated during several weeks with only regional jets departing from the parallel taxiway that was transformed into a runway for the occasion.

I feel there is something incomplete. While it should be possibble to make a takeoff from a taxiway landings are far different. I can only see this happening when the raxiway itself was once a runway. It, in my opinion, would be dangerous to land an airliner on a taxiway. Further any hot and heavy flights could cause serious damage to both the taxiway and the aircraft.
 
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RE: Do Airports Close During Runway Reconstruction?

Sun May 01, 2016 3:36 pm

Quoting twaconnie (Reply 13):
LGA closes almost every night for runway maintenance, midnight to 6am. Last year they installed new in pavement runway
lighting.

LGA is always closed at night. It has nothing to do with maintenance, it is a noise curfew.
 
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RE: Do Airports Close During Runway Reconstruction?

Sun May 01, 2016 4:24 pm

GVA sole runway was fully rebuilt in the 90s during night curfew, so without significant interferences with operations.

During the 6 or 7 hours curfew, an existing concrete slab was demolished and replaced by a new precast concrete slab.

The total renovations took years ! (about 3 000 slabs to be replaced !)
 
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RE: Do Airports Close During Runway Reconstruction?

Sun May 01, 2016 4:51 pm

Quoting atypical (Reply 18):
I can only see this happening when the raxiway itself was once a runway. It, in my opinion, would be dangerous to land an airliner on a taxiway. Further any hot and heavy flights could cause serious damage to both the taxiway and the aircraft.

Airport managers are well aware of the dangers and impose weight restrictions if necessary. Prior to closing the main runway for repairs, FTW rebuilt part of the parallel taxiway to make sure it could handle the weight of most aircraft operating at the airport. Weight restrictions were still imposed and for a time planes such as the 747 were not allowed to land (wingtip clearance was also an issue I believe).
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RE: Do Airports Close During Runway Reconstruction?

Sun May 01, 2016 5:07 pm

In Wenatchee, Washington KEAT

Pangborn airport to close for a week this summer

http://www.wenatcheeworld.com/news/2...t-to-close-for-a-week-this-summer/
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RE: Do Airports Close During Runway Reconstruction?

Sun May 01, 2016 5:41 pm

Quoting jmchevallier (Reply 20):
GVA sole runway was fully rebuilt in the 90s during night curfew, so without significant interferences with operations.

Do you know how long it took them?
 
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RE: Do Airports Close During Runway Reconstruction?

Sun May 01, 2016 7:51 pm

Quoting FlyHossD (Reply 1):
I read recently that RDM will close for about 3 weeks in May as the intersection of the two runways is reconstructed (two runways that intersect in the middle like an X).

Today is the last day for RDM flights. Hopefully no one misconnects   RDM will open back up on the 23rd of this month.

There are also some upgrades happening to the terminal as well

http://www.bendbulletin.com/localsta...unway-work-during-redmond-airport#
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RE: Do Airports Close During Runway Reconstruction?

Sun May 01, 2016 7:57 pm

Pohang Airport (KPO) in S. Korea actually reopens tomorrow after having been closed since July 2014 for runway work. Flights will resume with two daily KE 737-800s from GMP.
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RE: Do Airports Close During Runway Reconstruction?

Sun May 01, 2016 8:13 pm

CPH had to close one runway last year in order to prepare for the daily Emirates A380 service. It resulted in a higher usage of runway 12/30 instead. But I assume that each airport's layout determines the consequences of a reconstruction  
 
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RE: Do Airports Close During Runway Reconstruction?

Sun May 01, 2016 8:19 pm

HDN was closed for two months last year for this reason.
 
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RE: Do Airports Close During Runway Reconstruction?

Sun May 01, 2016 8:27 pm

When we did our runway at MLI, they built a taxiway and used it as a runway until the existing one was completed. Starting today or tomorrow, RDM is completely closed for three weeks due to runway construction.
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RE: Do Airports Close During Runway Reconstruction?

Sun May 01, 2016 8:45 pm

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 23):
Do you know how long it took them?

Sorry, I don't remember, possibly up to 10 years !
 
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RE: Do Airports Close During Runway Reconstruction?

Sun May 01, 2016 9:38 pm

White Plains (KHPN) was closed for about a month one summer during the late 1990s (98 or 99?) to repave the main runway - 16-34. Ironically I head the airport got more noise complaints from 'aircraft' noise that month, than any other time that year!
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RE: Do Airports Close During Runway Reconstruction?

Mon May 02, 2016 12:10 am

POZ was closed in Sep-Oct 2015...
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RE: Do Airports Close During Runway Reconstruction?

Mon May 02, 2016 1:16 am

It depends on the airport,its layout ,etc. At the end of my summer internship at LAX, the airport had just embarked on its 3 year, RSA(runway safety area) redevelopment program that lasts till 2018. It was a multi phase project that over time,would see each runway being worked on. I know they closed 24R during its RSA reconstruction,but when work began on 24L, they kept it open and worked on bits of it at a time.
 
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RE: Do Airports Close During Runway Reconstruction?

Mon May 02, 2016 1:38 am

I believe ITH is going to be closed for a couple of weeks this summer for a runway re-do as well. So I guess the answer to the original question is, "Yes, sometimes."
 
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RE: Do Airports Close During Runway Reconstruction?

Mon May 02, 2016 1:49 am

Quoting washingtonflyer (Reply 11):
SAN did some runway work about 15 years ago. IIRC, the airport would close each night around 11:00 pm and stay closed until 6:30 am.

SAN already closes to departures at that time anyway.

Quoting jmchevallier (Reply 20):

GVA sole runway was fully rebuilt in the 90s during night curfew, so without significant interferences with operations.

During the 6 or 7 hours curfew, an existing concrete slab was demolished and replaced by a new precast concrete slab.

The total renovations took years ! (about 3 000 slabs to be replaced !)
Quoting jmchevallier (Reply 29):
Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 23):
Do you know how long it took them?

Sorry, I don't remember, possibly up to 10 years !

If it was 1 slab at a time, then it would have taken ~8 years. That said, it would surprise me if they couldn't do more than one a night.

Quoting VX321 (Reply 32):

It depends on the airport,its layout ,etc. At the end of my summer internship at LAX, the airport had just embarked on its 3 year, RSA(runway safety area) redevelopment program that lasts till 2018. It was a multi phase project that over time,would see each runway being worked on. I know they closed 24R during its RSA reconstruction,but when work began on 24L, they kept it open and worked on bits of it at a time.

24L currently is undergoing its rebuild. It was shortened to basically start at the T1/2 alley last I flew out of LAX. 25L was the first runway closed, as they had to fix the poorly done rebuild from a few years ago. They completed that before the start of June Gloom season and held off starting 24R till after. 24R was completed and they started 24L, which is taking 11 months, from November 2015 to October 2016.. After that, 25L work will start and it will be shortened or closed from a targeted October 2016 to June 2017.
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RE: Do Airports Close During Runway Reconstruction?

Mon May 02, 2016 1:54 am

I remember when they were lengthening runway 5/23 at BUF, all traffic used the shorter 14/32.
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RE: Do Airports Close During Runway Reconstruction?

Mon May 02, 2016 4:25 am

Juneau repaved their runway over the course of about 3 months in the summer of 2015. They used the taxiway during that time, was a bunch of fun to watch the planes, and to land on.

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RE: Do Airports Close During Runway Reconstruction?

Mon May 02, 2016 5:04 am

Renton (RNT) redid its runway 6 years ago, I believe. I think they did the construction in such a way that they could still have a workable runway open so 737s could fly out. My club, which is based on the field, moved to BFI for a few weeks to avoid the hassle, which is why I can't recall if RNT was shut down to everyone but Boeing first flights, or if they just has an annoying schedule of openings and closings.

Spokane (GEG) did a lot of runway work last summer. But with a crosswind runway available, they stayed open, and the only major nuisance was recording all of the closed taxiways. If someone needed the full length of the long runway, I guess they were out of luck, since the crosswind is well shorter.
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RE: Do Airports Close During Runway Reconstruction?

Mon May 02, 2016 7:43 am

DLH is an airport that needs the main runway rehabbed but a long closure threatens AAR's AC narrowbody maintenance and a closure of the facility. The crosswind runway is insufficient to replace the main runway for AC flight ferries.
 
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RE: Do Airports Close During Runway Reconstruction?

Mon May 02, 2016 10:17 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 34):
Quoting washingtonflyer (Reply 11):
SAN did some runway work about 15 years ago. IIRC, the airport would close each night around 11:00 pm and stay closed until 6:30 am.

SAN already closes to departures at that time anyway.

Closed to departures, yes. But arrivals were always a possibility...
 
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RE: Do Airports Close During Runway Reconstruction?

Mon May 02, 2016 10:19 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 34):
If it was 1 slab at a time, then it would have taken ~8 years. That said, it would surprise me if they couldn't do more than one a night.

I guess it all depends on how much time they needed to remove one (and how) and then put in place the new stab.
 
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RE: Do Airports Close During Runway Reconstruction?

Mon May 02, 2016 12:56 pm

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 12):
Two decades ago I remember reading that at STR, in order to rebuilt and lengthen their runway flights were operated during several weeks with only regional jets departing from the parallel taxiway that was transformed into a runway for the occasion.

As a result BA wet leased Avro RJ70 G-OLXX (owned by British Aerospace (Operations) and operated by Flightline. It flew the twice daily LHR-STR-LHR (BA958/59 and BA960/61) rotations from 30 July to 4 October 1995 in place of the usual 734. The RJ70 was painted white with the Flightline tail logo. It also had red 'Alpine' engine and small 'British Airways' and 'FLIGHTLINE' titles on its lower forward fuselage:


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At Heathrow the answer is 'bit by bit'. Back in 2013 one of LHR's two runways was relaid. Here is a link to a BBC report that states that every night during the seven hours when there were no scheduled movements 80 metres of the runway was relaid:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22863507

During this period there were no scheduled movements because of the LHR curfew. Nevertheless the alternative runway was available for any emergency use. So at other airports where there is no curfew I have no doubt that an alternative runway could be used for the smaller number of night time movements while the other runway was undergoing a bit-by-bit repair.
 
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RE: Do Airports Close During Runway Reconstruction?

Mon May 02, 2016 1:50 pm

Quoting atypical (Reply 38):
DLH is an airport that needs the main runway rehabbed but a long closure threatens AAR's AC narrowbody maintenance and a closure of the facility. The crosswind runway is insufficient to replace the main runway for AC flight ferries.

They are closing it for 3 months in June and shifting ops to the crosswind runway. At '5700 it should accomodate everything during that timeframe. The ANG will be deployed to Korea and AAR will shift any work to Miami during that timeframe.

http://www.duluthnewstribune.com/bus...ruction-main-runway-duluth-airport
 
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RE: Do Airports Close During Runway Reconstruction?

Mon May 02, 2016 2:11 pm

Mendoza airport in Argentina will close for 3-months September 7 to December 7 as they work on runway, taxiway and new runway lighting.

http://aerolatinnews.com/2016/05/02/...-cierre-del-aeropuerto-de-mendoza/
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RE: Do Airports Close During Runway Reconstruction?

Mon May 02, 2016 2:40 pm

DTW has one runway closed right now, and while it seems it hasn't made traffic flow too bad, come this summer with summer weather, I think it will.

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RE: Do Airports Close During Runway Reconstruction?

Mon May 02, 2016 2:44 pm

CTA Catania closed back in May of 2008 for a couple of weeks; some flights rerouted temp schedules to Palermo and some got to use NAS Sigonella with buses from CTA (Comiso was not open yet).
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RE: Do Airports Close During Runway Reconstruction?

Mon May 02, 2016 11:19 pm

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 40):
Quoting N1120A (Reply 34):
If it was 1 slab at a time, then it would have taken ~8 years. That said, it would surprise me if they couldn't do more than one a night.

I guess it all depends on how much time they needed to remove one (and how) and then put in place the new stab.

It didn't take as long as 8 years.
 
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RE: Do Airports Close During Runway Reconstruction?

Tue May 03, 2016 12:16 am

Didn't Trenton NJ close for a while?
 
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RE: Do Airports Close During Runway Reconstruction?

Tue May 03, 2016 12:33 am

Quoting boeing808 (Reply 47):
Didn't Trenton NJ close for a while?

Yes and no, Trenton suspended commerical ops from 9/9/13 to 11/8/13 to install EMAS at the end of the longer runway. Frontier was (and still is) the only commerical airline at TTN and their planes wouldn't have been able to use the shortened runway (or atleast not profitably). They also closed the terminal building and renovated it and the parking lots. General avation was uneffected and used the shorter or the shortened version of the longer runway.

http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2...ontier_flights_for_two_months.html
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RE: Do Airports Close During Runway Reconstruction?

Tue May 03, 2016 10:23 pm

Quoting Dalmd88 (Reply 19):

LGA is only closed at night when maintenance is being done. I live under the flight path to runway 4, trust me there's no noise curfew, at night..

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