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QR 713/714 To IAH Canceled For Sundays?

Wed May 04, 2016 11:40 am

Is anyone privy to info as to why Qatar airways canceled Sunday flights to Houston for the months of June, July, and August?
 
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RE: QR 713/714 To IAH Canceled For Sundays?

Wed May 04, 2016 11:48 am

Aircraft shortage. Cut back a few US routes.
 
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RE: QR 713/714 To IAH Canceled For Sundays?

Wed May 04, 2016 11:50 am

They've apparently overstretched their fleet again, which was exacerbated by the delays in deliveries of the A350XWB. They are temporarily reducing Boston, Miami, Philadelphia, Houston and Adelaide during those months, and is also reportedly delaying Auckland to February 2017.
 
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RE: QR 713/714 To IAH Canceled For Sundays?

Wed May 04, 2016 11:51 am

Quoting gk (Thread starter):
Is anyone privy to info as to why Qatar airways canceled Sunday flights to Houston for the months of June, July, and August?

its due to aircraft assignment and lack of aircraft

other changes include

MIA going from daily to 6 weekly (Fridays cancelled)
BOS going from daily to 6 weekly (Wednesdays cancelled)
PHL going from daily to 5 weekly (Monday & Thursdays cancelled)

http://airlineroute.net/2016/05/03/qr-us-jun16/

DOH-ADL which started yesterday will also be reduced from daily to 6 weekly

According to AAB in following article they are 3 A350's at the moment

http://australianaviation.com.au/201...-next-australian-a350-destination/
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RE: QR 713/714 To IAH Canceled For Sundays?

Wed May 04, 2016 1:00 pm

Quoting qf789 (Reply 3):
other changes include

MIA going from daily to 6 weekly (Fridays cancelled)
BOS going from daily to 6 weekly (Wednesdays cancelled)
PHL going from daily to 5 weekly (Monday & Thursdays cancelled)

http://airlineroute.net/2016/05/03/q...un16/

I would not have assumed that they do this during the high season!
 
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RE: QR 713/714 To IAH Canceled For Sundays?

Wed May 04, 2016 1:14 pm

Quoting gk (Reply 4):
I would not have assumed that they do this during the high season!

If it's caused by late deliveries they don't really have a choice. They need to have a plane available in order to fly that route on any given day.
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RE: QR 713/714 To IAH Canceled For Sundays?

Wed May 04, 2016 1:22 pm

Quoting qf789 (Reply 3):
MIA going from daily to 6 weekly (Fridays cancelled)
BOS going from daily to 6 weekly (Wednesdays cancelled)
PHL going from daily to 5 weekly (Monday & Thursdays cancelled)

Are we sure these weekly reductions are because of equipment shortages or are they due to poor forward bookings? My guess is that these flights are not performing well. To cancel a Friday operation in Miami is shocking. Friday night flights from the USA to DOH are key for O&D pax who arrive in Doha Saturday evening to begin the work week on Sunday.
 
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RE: QR 713/714 To IAH Canceled For Sundays?

Wed May 04, 2016 2:13 pm

At least IAH will see the 77W
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RE: QR 713/714 To IAH Canceled For Sundays?

Wed May 04, 2016 2:16 pm

Quoting AABB777 (Reply 6):
Are we sure these weekly reductions are because of equipment shortages or are they due to poor forward bookings?

If it's only for a few months, then it has to be lack of aircraft. Otherwise, it shouldn't be a temporally change.


Qatar's CEO recently said in an interview with CNN that they are prepared to walk away from Airbus if delays continue. So lack of aircraft is an issue which is why I'm assuming it's the reason behind this.

[Edited 2016-05-04 07:20:11]
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RE: QR 713/714 To IAH Canceled For Sundays?

Wed May 04, 2016 2:36 pm

While it's true that the workweek begins in Doha on Sunday, VERY few people on a typical MIA-DOH flight are actually
going to DOHA. the Majority are connecting onward, whether to India, the Philippines, or maybe Southeast Asia. So
it really doesn't matter.

Quoting AABB777 (Reply 6):
Are we sure these weekly reductions are because of equipment shortages or are they due to poor forward bookings? My guess is that these flights are not performing well. To cancel a Friday operation in Miami is shocking. Friday night flights from the USA to DOH are key for O&D pax who arrive in Doha Saturday evening to begin the work week on Sunday.
 
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Wed May 04, 2016 2:38 pm

This says something about the performance on those routes.
When there are aircraft shortages, airlines will cancel / attempt to cancel their weakest routes, absent any other
extenuating circumstances.
The fact that they chose these routes to cancel in what should be a busy season speaks volumes about the performance
on these routes.

Quoting gk (Reply 4):
other changes include

MIA going from daily to 6 weekly (Fridays cancelled)
BOS going from daily to 6 weekly (Wednesdays cancelled)
PHL going from daily to 5 weekly (Monday & Thursdays cancelled)

http://airlineroute.net/2016/05/03/q...un16/
I would not have assumed that they do this during the high season!
 
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RE: QR 713/714 To IAH Canceled For Sundays?

Wed May 04, 2016 2:45 pm

I was issued an e-ticket from IAH for July/Aug.....about 3 hours afterwards, they cancelled my IAH to/fro DOH section, and is still in limbo.
 
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RE: QR 713/714 To IAH Canceled For Sundays?

Wed May 04, 2016 2:55 pm

Quoting JasonCRH (Reply 10):
This says something about the performance on those routes.

I don't know about the other 3 but Qatar's performance at MIA isn't poor.

Quoting JasonCRH (Reply 10):
busy season

With Ramadan, I don't think it's that busy. That's the weakest time in the season, AFAIK.

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RE: QR 713/714 To IAH Canceled For Sundays?

Wed May 04, 2016 2:59 pm

If it had been stellar they wouldn't have cancelled it. When airlines make decisions like this they always take the worst performing routes.
Maybe MIA is full, and that's fine. But if it's full of low yield traffic, then that's not good, and a candidate to be cut.
Cuts always come from the worst, not the best, performing markets. Especially close in like this. I've worked at an airline
and had to make these choices before. Never fun, but necessary when there's an aircraft shortage. The worst always get
cut first.

Quoting Miami (Reply 12):
I don't know about the other 3 but Qatar's performance at MIA isn't poor.
 
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RE: QR 713/714 To IAH Canceled For Sundays?

Wed May 04, 2016 3:04 pm

Reduced schedule durations:
MIA - 3 months
PHL - 1 month
IAH - 2 1/2 months
BOS - 2 1/2 months
 
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RE: QR 713/714 To IAH Canceled For Sundays?

Wed May 04, 2016 3:57 pm

Quoting JasonCRH (Reply 13):
If it had been stellar they wouldn't have cancelled it.


Taking a look at IAH's numbers, (the seats filled/seats available) are 92% Feb and 89% March. Of course the load factors are more complicated than that, but the seats are being filled. QR is sending the 77W to IAH during the 6 day schedule so maybe the seats balance out.
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RE: QR 713/714 To IAH Canceled For Sundays?

Wed May 04, 2016 5:09 pm

Never said seats aren't being filled. I said that even if seats are being filled sometimes it's not profitable, and airlines in general, when faced with a shortage of aircraft, will cancel their unprofitable flying.
Seeing an airline cut what looks like a full flight indicates that the profit/ revenue performance is not there. Otherwise they'd do what they can to keep it and cancel something else that performs worse.

Quoting tbboko802 (Reply 15):
Taking a look at IAH's numbers, (the seats filled/seats available) are 92% Feb and 89% March. Of course the load factors are more complicated than that, but the seats are being filled. QR is sending the 77W to IAH during the 6 day schedule so maybe the seats balance out.
 
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RE: QR 713/714 To IAH Canceled For Sundays?

Wed May 04, 2016 5:19 pm

Quoting JasonCRH (Reply 16):
Never said seats aren't being filled. I said that even if seats are being filled sometimes it's not profitable, and airlines in general, when faced with a shortage of aircraft, will cancel their unprofitable flying.
Seeing an airline cut what looks like a full flight indicates that the profit/ revenue performance is not there. Otherwise they'd do what they can to keep it and cancel something else that performs worse.

Indeed, You don't see them cancelling any of the 6 daily LHR flights.

Quoting Miami (Reply 8):
Qatar's CEO recently said in an interview with CNN that they are prepared to walk away from Airbus if delays continue. So lack of aircraft is an issue which is why I'm assuming it's the reason behind this.

That comment relates to the A320 only and I doubt they should be going to the States. The A350 problems are more related to cabin outfit, thus not a problem Airbus can control.
 
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RE: QR 713/714 To IAH Canceled For Sundays?

Wed May 04, 2016 5:39 pm

Quoting JasonCRH (Reply 16):
Of course the load factors are more complicated than that

You correct, that is why I said the above. However only one of the routes was shifted to 772/77W mix. IAH had been all 772 for as I can remember.
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RE: QR 713/714 To IAH Canceled For Sundays?

Wed May 04, 2016 9:07 pm

Quoting JasonCRH (Reply 13):

If it had been stellar they wouldn't have cancelled it. When airlines make decisions like this they always take the worst performing routes.

BOS, PHL and ADL are all being reduced because QR is short on A350's and these destinations are the longest stage length sectors operated by the A350 currently, the one exception being JFK which maintains 2x daily. Because of the cuts at BOS and PHL, they can maintain daily A350 to JFK. BOS specifically is a very premature route for QR, so while it's no JFK, it's also not a weak performer. I can't speak for PHL even though QR has been in the market a while now.

Quoting LJ (Reply 17):
Indeed, You don't see them cancelling any of the 6 daily LHR flights.

Of course not because LHR is only a 5.5 hour flight and doesn't require the number of aircraft places like MIA, BOS, IAH do. LHR also has the most random mix of aircraft, exception being the A350.
 
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RE: QR 713/714 To IAH Canceled For Sundays?

Wed May 04, 2016 9:37 pm

Quoting LJ (Reply 17):
The A350 problems are more related to cabin outfit, thus not a problem Airbus can control.

Still a delay though.
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RE: QR 713/714 To IAH Canceled For Sundays?

Wed May 04, 2016 10:36 pm

Northern-hemisphere Summer is NOT high season for the middle-east.
In fact, that is the time of year most people avoid it if possible.
That is why the WorldCup in Doha has been scheduled for winter when traditionally it is held during the summer months. No one wants to be there when it is 212 degrees outside.
 
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RE: QR 713/714 To IAH Canceled For Sundays?

Thu May 05, 2016 4:44 am

I heard that MIA is doing poorly in the loads department lately. They average around 50/60%. Before they were averaging around 80/90%. They where even originally planning on increasing capacty to MIA, which is what makes this sudden drop in demand strange. Maybe it has something to do with ISIS.
 
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RE: QR 713/714 To IAH Canceled For Sundays?

Thu May 05, 2016 10:59 am

Quoting miaintl (Reply 22):
I heard that MIA is doing poorly in the loads department lately. They average around 50/60%. Before they were averaging around 80/90%. They where even originally planning on increasing capacty to MIA, which is what makes this sudden drop in demand strange. Maybe it has something to do with ISIS.

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RE: QR 713/714 To IAH Canceled For Sundays?

Thu May 05, 2016 12:03 pm

Quoting clrd4t8koff (Reply 19):
BOS specifically is a very premature route for QR, so while it's no JFK, it's also not a weak performer.

QR fares out of BOS have been cheaper than the Caribbean from BOS, and QR is usually dirt cheap to begin with.
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RE: QR 713/714 To IAH Canceled For Sundays?

Thu May 05, 2016 12:40 pm

One thing that BOS has that PHL doesn't is competition. EK flies to Dubai 2x daily on 77Ws. So if we are to agree that people on these planes aren't really going to Doha or Dubai, but rather onward beyond that, BOS has 3x daily flights for passengers to choose from versus one at PHL. So it kind of 'looks' worse for PHL to be cut when you're the only game in town. Even the second EK at BOS is, I hear, a bit weak. So the ME3 are flooding the U.S. market with seats and obviously some of those seats are not going to make much money. These carriers have to understand the double-edged sword that comes with the strategy they are implementing.

All that said, BOS will evolve nicely. Its demographic mix (high-tech, finance, education, pharma) is perfect for carriers like QR and EK. But I also think BOS has about all the seats it can handle to the Middle East, even though EK will dilute things further with their expected A380 upgrade in 2017. It will be interesting whether the A380 replaces one or both 77Ws. It will most certainly not be added as a 3rd flight. If I were a betting man (and I'm not), the BOS A380 will replace BOTH 77Ws UNLESS the 2nd 77W starts performing better. In that case BOS would see an evening A380 and a morning 77W.

As for QR, if they start doing very well at BOS I could see them switching to the 77W themselves, freeing up one A350 for another route.
 
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RE: QR 713/714 To IAH Canceled For Sundays?

Thu May 05, 2016 12:41 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 24):
QR fares out of BOS have been cheaper than the Caribbean from BOS, and QR is usually dirt cheap to begin with.

TAP, who recently announced service to LIS from Boston starting in June was offering sale fares to select cities in Europe this summer for ~$350 r/t, which is cheaper than fares to the Caribbean (and don't forget we just ended peak travel time to the Caribbean from BOS). Both QR and TP are new players in the Boston market - did you not expect them to offer sale fares to build market share and attract new business? If QR are still offering cheap fares a year from now then I'd say they might be having issues. But having sale/cheap fares to promote your new services is what any airline would do in a new market.
 
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RE: QR 713/714 To IAH Canceled For Sundays?

Thu May 05, 2016 1:51 pm

Quoting LJ (Reply 17):
Indeed, You don't see them cancelling any of the 6 daily LHR flights.
Quoting clrd4t8koff (Reply 19):
Of course not because LHR is only a 5.5 hour flight and doesn't require the number of aircraft places like MIA, BOS, IAH do. LHR also has the most random mix of aircraft, exception being the A350.

This...Plus, LHR has use-it-or-lose-it rules attached to slot usage. While canceling a frequency here or there doesn't jeopardize slot rights, the sort of cutbacks MIA, BOS, PHL, and IAH are seeing could get QR in trouble if implemented at LHR.
 
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RE: QR 713/714 To IAH Canceled For Sundays?

Thu May 05, 2016 5:00 pm

Quoting clrd4t8koff (Reply 26):
Both QR and TP are new players in the Boston market - did you not expect them to offer sale fares to build market share and attract new business? If QR are still offering cheap fares a year from now then I'd say they might be having issues. But having sale/cheap fares to promote your new services is what any airline would do in a new market.

The difference is QR is *always* cheap. They'll charge you around $700 next few weeks to take you from BOS to HKT/BKK; good luck finding anything to Europe for the same price, and it's half the distance.
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RE: QR 713/714 To IAH Canceled For Sundays?

Thu May 05, 2016 6:18 pm

Quoting miaintl (Reply 22):
They where even originally planning on increasing capacty to MIA, which is what makes this sudden drop in demand strange. Maybe it has something to do with ISIS.

It has to do with TK, which entered MIA recently. Nothing to do with ISIS. If it were about ISIS, then all of the ME3 routes would be struggling, globally.

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 25):
BOS has 3x daily flights for passengers to choose from versus one at PHL.

If you include TK, then BOS actually has 4 representations of GCCs.
 
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RE: QR 713/714 To IAH Canceled For Sundays?

Thu May 05, 2016 6:43 pm

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