SpaceshipDC10
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Air Canada International Services Changes For W16

Thu May 05, 2016 1:05 pm

Among other changes, 77Ws will be used on flights to HND and DXB instead of 789. Te latter will replace 763 to ZRH and 788 to BNE.


http://airlineroute.net/2016/05/05/ac-w16update1/
 
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RE: Air Canada International Services Changes For W16

Thu May 05, 2016 1:47 pm

It's not a surprise, but sadly my beloved B767 is being relegated to second string routes and more domestic trans-cons. I do understand that it's an archaic old boat, but it is fast becoming the most comfortable economy seat in the fleet.

It is good for the business though. With amazing fuel burns, the B787 is putting all airlines in a good position when fuel prices go back where they have been.
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RE: Air Canada International Services Changes For W16

Thu May 05, 2016 2:24 pm

Shocked that YYZ-DXB is going 77W.

Must be doing well?
 
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RE: Air Canada International Services Changes For W16

Thu May 05, 2016 2:34 pm

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 2):

Shocked that YYZ-DXB is going 77W.

Must be doing well?

But still at 3x weekly. I don't recall reading anywhere they've announced upping freqs to DXB.

DEL is performing much better than DXB - YYZ going from 4w to 6w while adding 3w seasonal to YVR.
 
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RE: Air Canada International Services Changes For W16

Thu May 05, 2016 2:55 pm

Where's the traffic coming from on YYZ-DXB that it can support a 77W? People connecting from U.S. in YYZ? A 787 is one thing but it must be doing quite well if they're upgauging, though it's hard to believe expats and biz traffic alone can sustain this route. Maybe it's also about freight to Asia/Africa?
 
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RE: Air Canada International Services Changes For W16

Thu May 05, 2016 3:32 pm

Quoting GE9X (Reply 4):
Where's the traffic coming from on YYZ-DXB that it can support a 77W? People connecting from U.S. in YYZ? A 787 is one thing but it must be doing quite well if they're upgauging, though it's hard to believe expats and biz traffic alone can sustain this route. Maybe it's also about freight to Asia/Africa?

Maybe they are getting a boost from the drop of DXB by UA/DL. Especially UA, I imagine there are some star loyalists in the US that now are limited to AC or LH....
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RE: Air Canada International Services Changes For W16

Thu May 05, 2016 4:18 pm

Quoting longhauler (Reply 1):
It's not a surprise, but sadly my beloved B767 is being relegated to second string routes and more domestic trans-cons.

It's flying for AC since 1982 or 1993 for the -300. Quite a long career.

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 2):
Shocked that YYZ-DXB is going 77W.

Must be doing well?

Unless they need the 789 elsewhere.
 
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RE: Air Canada International Services Changes For W16

Thu May 05, 2016 4:39 pm

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 2):
Shocked that YYZ-DXB is going 77W.

Must be doing well?

Isn't EK limited in how much they can grow in Canada? That's got to help.
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RE: Air Canada International Services Changes For W16

Thu May 05, 2016 5:36 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 3):
But still at 3x weekly. I don't recall reading anywhere they've announced upping freqs to DXB.

Under the current bilateral, they need the UAE's permission to offer more than 3 weekly.

FWIW, this archaic 3 weekly Canadian trait has been criticized by the Government's own review of the Transportation Act released in February this year. The review calls for minimum daily frequencies, increasing in 7 weekly increments, so things may change yet.
 
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RE: Air Canada International Services Changes For W16

Thu May 05, 2016 5:40 pm

Quoting ElPistolero (Reply 8):

So the bilateral allows 6x weekly for UAE carriers but only 3x weekly for Canadian ones ? Shouldn't bilats be reciprocity ?
 
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RE: Air Canada International Services Changes For W16

Thu May 05, 2016 5:47 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 9):

No it allows 6 weekly for both countries. However, if one carrier wants to fly more than 3 weekly, it requires both Governments approval. That's an old Canadian habit that some here have deliberately misrepresented (a lot harder now with the Government review blaming Transport Canada for it).

In short, TS or WS can pick up the remaining 3 weekly today if they want. On the other hand, if EK dropped YYZ, EY would not be able to claim the 3 additional slots without Canadian approval.
 
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RE: Air Canada International Services Changes For W16

Thu May 05, 2016 6:08 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 9):


So the bilateral allows 6x weekly for UAE carriers but only 3x weekly for Canadian ones ? Shouldn't bilats be reciprocity ?


Directly quoted from the agreement....

"for direct own aircraft services, up to a maximum of four flights per week in each direction without restriction as to size of aircraft effective immediately, five flights per week effective June 1, 2001 and six flights per week effective June 1, 2003. Requests for seasonal increases in frequency shall be given sympathetic consideration consistent with paragraph 5 of Article XI. The operation of a frequency beyond three flights per week by any one designated airline shall be subject to the approval of the aeronautical authorities of both Contracting Parties."
 
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RE: Air Canada International Services Changes For W16

Thu May 05, 2016 7:05 pm

Whew, my August 30th flight is still a 787-9.

Flying in J: DFW-YYZ-DXB
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RE: Air Canada International Services Changes For W16

Thu May 05, 2016 7:58 pm

Japan is also a spot where the icing issues rear there ugly head for the 787 GE engines. Certain times a year even japanese carriers limit where it flys t avoid the locations common to the issue.
 
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RE: Air Canada International Services Changes For W16

Thu May 05, 2016 9:29 pm

Are they going to continue YYZ-HND and YYZ-NRT in the winter.

I was very surprised when there were 3 AC aircraft in NRT the other day. Didn't know YYZ-NRT came back for the summer.
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RE: Air Canada International Services Changes For W16

Thu May 05, 2016 9:44 pm

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 2):
Must be doing well?


I think it is more down below than up top. AC have a very strong partnership with EK when it comes to cargo. A lot of cargo going to beyond destinations in Africa, the Middle East & parts of Asia are funnelled through GVA & MUC and transferred to EK. So this move could be more about freeing up cargo capacity elsewhere in the network and moving the freight closer to destination.
 
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RE: Air Canada International Services Changes For W16

Thu May 05, 2016 10:04 pm

Quoting ktachiya (Reply 14):
Are they going to continue YYZ-HND and YYZ-NRT in the winter.

HND will continue this winter with a 77W. So far there's been no update for the YYZ-NRT which is currently operated with 789.

Quoting ktachiya (Reply 14):
Didn't know YYZ-NRT came back for the summer.

Probably related with the 789 deliveries.
 
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RE: Air Canada International Services Changes For W16

Thu May 05, 2016 10:16 pm

YYZ-NRT has been summer seasonal since around 2 years ago when AC started YYZ-HND year-round.
 
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RE: Air Canada International Services Changes For W16

Thu May 05, 2016 10:46 pm

Quoting briguychau (Reply 17):
YYZ-NRT has been summer seasonal since around 2 years ago when AC started YYZ-HND year-round.

Oh yes, that's right. It makes perfect sense.
 
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RE: Air Canada International Services Changes For W16

Fri May 06, 2016 5:07 am

Quoting briguychau (Reply 17):
YYZ-NRT has been summer seasonal since around 2 years ago when AC started YYZ-HND year-round.

Wow... seems like a move to please the JCAB more than actually making profit to hang onto their HND slots.
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RE: Air Canada International Services Changes For W16

Fri May 06, 2016 6:51 am

AC DXB flight will be operate by a 400-seat B77W.
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RE: Air Canada International Services Changes For W16

Fri May 06, 2016 4:35 pm

Any chance of a YYZ-ARN route soon?..
 
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RE: Air Canada International Services Changes For W16

Sat May 07, 2016 3:49 am

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 6):
Unless they need the 789 elsewhere.

YVR-BNE, YYZ-FRA, YYZ-CDG, YVR-ICN, YVR-PVG & YVR-NRT plus the new YVR-DEL are all going 789.
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RE: Air Canada International Services Changes For W16

Sat May 07, 2016 4:10 am

So, we just know that the 788 and 789 won't be needed in YUL for the known future…
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RE: Air Canada International Services Changes For W16

Mon May 09, 2016 9:30 am

Quoting longhauler (Reply 1):
sadly my beloved B767 is being relegated to second string routes and more domestic trans-cons.

It will be on routes to LYS and also GVA for a short while.

Anyone up for an international short hop on AC's A333s can do it in November to MBJ from YUL.

Here are some more updates: http://airlineroute.net/2016/05/09/ac-w16update2/

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