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RE: New AA Painted Aircraft - Part 8

Wed Oct 08, 2014 3:52 pm

Quoting American 767 (Reply 89):
Quoting A388 (Reply 87):
On which routes will AA keep those MD80's until there retirement?

Routes out of DFW to places less than 3 hours away, such as AUS, SAT, OKC, ABQ, MSY, RIC, and other small markets that are not major hubs (RDU, STL and BNA for example). The final flight will arrive in DFW, that is certain.

Thanks American 767. Now I'm waiting on those RenoAir, AirCal and TWA 737-800's. Please keep us all informed about when those will roll out 

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RE: New AA Painted Aircraft - Part 8

Wed Oct 08, 2014 4:09 pm

Quoting laxjaydub (Reply 55):
Looks like Rows 7-9 are MCE, 10-13 are regular coach, 14-15 (exit rows) are MCE, 16-30 are regular coach. They pulled out the blocked middle seats as well.

So, they crammed more coach into the the plane. Increased the number of passengers and it is going to be even more packed. AA is my airline, but it's getting ridiculous.

Looks like there will have to be a 4th flight attendant with 160 total passengers.

When AA resumed deliveries of 738s back in 2009, the total passenger count was 160. By reducing the amount of coach galley space, AA managed to add 2 rows of coach. Remember that the older 737s had a seat count of 148 (16F, 132Y). After 9/11, AA first reduced F by 4 seats and added two rows of coach, still maintaining the MRTC seat pitch. After MRTC was eliminated, the 738s only got 1 row added (as oppposed to the 757s, which had 2 rows of Y added).

So, only 1 row is being added to coach, and the tray tables in 16 and 17 are being removed. If a new row 7 is added, and 14 and 15 are still the exit rows, then the really tight coach seating will be rows 10 through 13, behind MCE. The seating aft of the exit rows shouldn't change that much.

What I wonder is if legroom in MCE is going to be reduced. Unless AA adds the new, slimmer seats that are being installed on the Airbus narrowbodies, I can't see how they can add a row ahead of the window exits. The window exit seats can't move that much, or they will be misaligned with the exits.
 
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RE: New AA Painted Aircraft - Part 8

Wed Oct 08, 2014 4:21 pm

7AV (N788AN) reentered service on October 6th on AA 945 DFW-SCL. Final configuration is 45 Business Class, 55 Main Cabin Extra, 160 Main Cabin. Reconfigured 777s are appearing as equipment type "772" in availability displays.

It's interesting that the two-class A321 is referred to as the A321H on the operational side, but referred to as the A321S on the customer-facing side.
 
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RE: New AA Painted Aircraft - Part 8

Wed Oct 08, 2014 5:21 pm

Quoting airbusruss (Reply 86):
they are among the oldest in the 757 fleet and are unable to accept the winglet mod. The

Why can't these older 752's accept the winglet mod?
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RE: New AA Painted Aircraft - Part 8

Wed Oct 08, 2014 6:13 pm

Quoting yyz717 (Reply 96):
Why can't these older 752's accept the winglet mod?

I could be wrong, but I thought it's only available for aircraft that have at least a 250K MTOW.
.......
 
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RE: New AA Painted Aircraft - Part 8

Wed Oct 08, 2014 6:21 pm

Quoting yyz717 (Reply 96):
Why can't these older 752's accept the winglet mod?

Technically they probably can be modified, there are wing modifications required, but at this stage of their life it's not economically feasible to do. Also, their are no freghter conversions certified with winglets so there would be a very limited resale market for them.
 
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RE: New AA Painted Aircraft - Part 8

Thu Oct 09, 2014 3:51 pm

2 new aircraft deliveries today

777-300ER

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL9702

737-800

flight 9701 will operate BFI-TUL
 
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RE: New AA Painted Aircraft - Part 8

Thu Oct 09, 2014 4:07 pm

Quoting miaami (Reply 99):
737-800

flight 9701 will operate BFI-TUL
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL9701
 
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RE: New AA Painted Aircraft - Part 8

Thu Oct 09, 2014 4:16 pm

Quoting A388 (Reply 87):
That's still a large MD80 fleet flying around and a lot of time left to catch one (retirement of all those MD80's is still 7 years from now). On which routes will AA keep those MD80's until there retirement?
Quoting American 767 (Reply 89):
Routes out of DFW to places less than 3 hours away, such as AUS, SAT, OKC, ABQ, MSY, RIC, and other small markets that are not major hubs (RDU, STL and BNA for example). The final flight will arrive in DFW, that is certain.

At some point, the MD-80 crew base at ORD will close. But, I suspect that there will still be MD-80s flying DFW-ORD. As long as that is the case, then MD-80s can still work flights out of ORD to other cities.

Even though other routes out of ORD are no longer flown with MD-80s (LAX, SFO, BOS, and LGA), it seems to me that there are routes that need a mainline aircraft, but not quite as large as the 738 (especially with the reconfiguration from 150 to 160 seats).

I think once AA starts assigning A319s and A320s to PMAA routes out of ORD, that will be the end of MD-80 operations at ORD
 
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RE: New AA Painted Aircraft - Part 8

Thu Oct 09, 2014 11:25 pm

Quoting ckfred (Reply 101):
it seems to me that there are routes that need a mainline aircraft, but not quite as large as the 738

A couple of examples I can think of are ORD-PSP and ORD-TUS, routes currently flown by MD-80 equipment. I see those getting the A319 once the MD-80 is gone from the ORD hub.
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RE: New AA Painted Aircraft - Part 8

Fri Oct 10, 2014 5:44 pm

Does anyone know when A330-200 N288AY will leave GUS? Really looking forward to seeing the first A332 in the new livery.
 
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RE: New AA Painted Aircraft - Part 8

Fri Oct 10, 2014 11:00 pm

I'd love to know when they're painting the first A320s, I know I've said and I know a lot are old but what aircraft ARE being painted? Any actual info?
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RE: New AA Painted Aircraft - Part 8

Fri Oct 10, 2014 11:04 pm

Quoting tristan7977 (Reply 104):
I'd love to know when they're painting the first A320s, I know I've said and I know a lot are old but what aircraft ARE being painted? Any actual info?

The oldest ex-HP birds won't, from what I've heard, since they date from the early 90s. Those are on their way out, but the batch of younger birds that were delivered in the late 90s probably will. Definitely not all of them, that's for sure.
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RE: New AA Painted Aircraft - Part 8

Fri Oct 10, 2014 11:51 pm

For what it's worth from crew members on my recent trips, the ORD MD80 base will go away in 2016. By that time the SOC will be in place, ORD will be re-banked, and PMUS planes will be in place along with an ORD AB base. Expect ORD-DFW to be the last MD80 flight in 2018, if not sooner.
 
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RE: New AA Painted Aircraft - Part 8

Sat Oct 11, 2014 12:34 am

Quoting nomorerjs (Reply 106):
Expect ORD-DFW to be the last MD80 flight in 2018, if not sooner.

2019 maybe. 2020 at the latest. 2021 at the very latest. I am 100% sure that by early 2022 American will be MD-80 free.
I don't know if the last MD-80 flight will be ORD-DFW but I am sure it will arrive in DFW.
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RE: New AA Painted Aircraft - Part 8

Sat Oct 11, 2014 1:33 am

Quoting jmc1975 (Reply 97):

Quoting yyz717 (Reply 96):
Why can't these older 752's accept the winglet mod?

I could be wrong, but I thought it's only available for aircraft that have at least a 250K MTOW.


.......

  

Ships 901-906 iirc have an MTOW of right around 240,000 lbs.
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RE: New AA Painted Aircraft - Part 8

Sat Oct 11, 2014 4:53 am

Quoting abirda (Reply 103):
Does anyone know when A330-200 N288AY will leave GUS?

Due out on Thursday, the 16th.
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RE: New AA Painted Aircraft - Part 8

Sun Oct 12, 2014 4:48 am

The MD80 is the best aircraft for 1st. I dread the 737 flights. They are by far the worst seats ever. I go out of my way to fly an MD. This is hard considering I am in NYC. They don't exist here any longer unless I fly EWR.
 
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RE: New AA Painted Aircraft - Part 8

Sun Oct 12, 2014 4:57 am

N519UW 519 is flying out of AMA tomorrow. Don't know what's going to replace it.
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RE: New AA Painted Aircraft - Part 8

Sun Oct 12, 2014 2:43 pm

Quoting American 767 (Reply 107):
2019 maybe. 2020 at the latest. 2021 at the very latest. I am 100% sure that by early 2022 American will be MD-80 free.

Once again I'd like to point out to you the fleet plan still calls for their departure in 2018. New management has indicated it could happen even sooner. I'll always throw in the disclaimer *subject to change because this is the airline industry -- everything is subject to change.  
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RE: New AA Painted Aircraft - Part 8

Sun Oct 12, 2014 3:11 pm

Quoting hufftheweevil (Reply 111):
N519UW 519 is flying out of AMA tomorrow. Don't know what's going to replace it

US A321 N171US

 
 
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RE: New AA Painted Aircraft - Part 8

Sun Oct 12, 2014 6:45 pm

Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 112):
Once again I'd like to point out to you the fleet plan still calls for their departure in 2018. New management has indicated it could happen even sooner. I'll always throw in the disclaimer *subject to change because this is the airline industry -- everything is subject to change.

  

And it can perfectly be done in 2018. ~140 aircraft left, and L-AA is taking delivery of the following number of narrowbodies until then:

2015: 20 738s and 30 Airbus
2016: 20 738s and 25 Airbus
2017: 20 738s, 20 Airbus and 10 NEOs
2018: 20 MAX and 25 NEOs

Total = 190 narrowbodies in the next 4 years, enough to replace all the S80s and 50 752s.
 
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RE: New AA Painted Aircraft - Part 8

Sun Oct 12, 2014 8:06 pm

Quoting AAjfksjubklyn (Reply 110):
The MD80 is the best aircraft for 1st. I dread the 737 flights. They are by far the worst seats ever. I go out of my way to fly an MD. This is hard considering I am in NYC. They don't exist here any longer unless I fly EWR

I wouldn't say I dread them, but the 737 F class seats seem more like wider economy seats with more pitch than they do a true F seat.
PHX based
 
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RE: New AA Painted Aircraft - Part 8

Mon Oct 13, 2014 4:58 am

Quoting boefan (Reply 113):
US A321 N171US

It did, indeed.

So US paintshop status:

AMA
171 (A321) just got in
275 (A333) due out end of week

GUS
520 (A321) due out Tuesday
288 (A332) due out end of week

ROW
745 (A319) due out end of week
203 (757) due out Tuesday

So expect plenty more changes this week.
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RE: New AA Painted Aircraft - Part 8

Mon Oct 13, 2014 6:36 pm

Thanks again to everyone who contributes to these updates. I have incorporated a few small changes. I will refer to the A321 in two class configuration as A321S as that is what they passenger sees. I have added "Retrofit Cabin" to 772 for the updated cabin modifications.

Updated 10/13/14

Total 460 Aircraft

Canadair CRJ 200 (2/16) operated as American Eagle by Skywest
N492SW
N955SW

Canadair CRJ 200 (1/11) operated as American Eagle by Expressjet
N909EV 909

Canadair CRJ 700 (47/47) operated as American Eagle by Envoy Air
N500AE 500
N501BG 501
N502AE 502
N503AE 503
N504AE 504
N505AE 505
N506AE 506
N507AE 507
N508AE 508
N509AE 509
N510AE 510
N511AE 511
N512AE 512
N513AE 513
N514AE 514
N515AE 515
N516AE 516
N517AE 517
N518AE 518
N519AE 519
N520DC 520
N521AE 521
N522AE 522
N523AE 523
N524AE 524
N525AE 525
N526EA 526
N527EA 527
N528EG 528
N529EA 9EA
N539EA 530
N531EG 531
N532EA 532
N533AE 3AE
N534AE 534
N535EA 535
N536EA 6EA
N537EA 537
N538EG 8EG
N539EA 539
N540EG 0EG
N541EA 1EA
N542EA 542
N543EA 543
N544EA 544
N545PB 5PB
N546FF 546

Embraer ERJ 145 (50/118) operated as American Eagle by Envoy Air
N602AE 602
N605KS 605
N606AE 606
N610AE 610
N611AE 611
N612AE 612
N613AE 613
N621AE 621
N629AE 629
N633AE 633
N635AE 635
N636AE 636
N638AE 638
N639AE 639
N641AE 641
N642AE 642
N643AE 643
N644AE 644
N646AE 646
N647AE 647
N651AE 651
N655AE 655
N659AE 659
N665BC 665
N668HH 668
N673AE 673
N676AE 676
N683AE 683
N686AE 686
N692AE 692
N695AE 695
N696AE 696
N697AB 697
N698CB 698
N699AE 699
N902BC 902
N905JH 905
N906AE 906
N907AE 907
N908AE 908
N909AE 909
N922AE 922
N923AE 923
N925AE 925
N928AE 928
N931AE 931
N932AE 932
N933JN 933
N939AE 939
N942LL 942

Embraer ERJ 175 (37/37) operated as American Eagle by Republic
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N402YX A02
N403YX A03
N404YX A04
N405YX A05
N406YX A06
N407YX A07
N408YX A08
N409YX A09
N410YX A10
N411YX A11
N412YX A12
N413YX A13
N414YX A14
N415YX A15
N416YX A16
N417YX A17
N418YX A18
N419YX A19
N420YX A20
N421YX A21
N422YX A22
N423YX A23
N424YX A24
N425YX A25
N426YX A26
N427YX A27
N428YX A28
N429YX A29
N430YX A30
N431YX A31
N432YX A32
N433YX A33
N434YX A34
N435YX A35
N436YX A36
N437YX A37

Airbus A319 (21/21)
N8001N 001
N9002U 002
N93003 003
N9004F 004
N4005X 005
N9006 006
N5007E 007
N9008U 008
N8009T 009
N9010R 010
N9011P 011
N9012 012
N9013A 013
N3014R 014
N9015D 015
N9016 016
N9017P 017
N9018E 018
N9019F 019
N70020 020
N9021H 021

Airbus A321S Two Class (8/8)
N118NN 850
N119NN 851
N120EE 852
N121AN 853
N122NN 854
N123NN 855
N124AA 856
N125AA 857

Airbus A321T Transcon (17/17)
N101NN 783
N102NN 784
N103NN 785
N104NN 786
N105NN 787
N106NN 788
N107NN 789
N108NN 790
N109NN 791
N110NN 792
N111ZM 793
N112AN 794
N113AN 795
N114NN 796
N115NN 797
N116AN 798
N117AN 799

Boeing 737-800 (107/239)
N956AN 3CL
N963AN 3CU
N964AN 3CV
N965AN 3CW
N966AN 3CX
N967AN 3CY
N968AN 3DA
N969AN 3DB
N970AN 3DC
N971AN 3DD
N972AN 3DE
N973AN 3DF
N974AN 3DG
N975AN 3DH
N978AN 3DL
N980AN 3DN
N981AN 3DP
N982AN 3DR
N983AN 3DS
N987AN 3DT
N989AN 3DU
N990AN 3DV
N991AN 3DW
N992AN 3DX
N800NN 3DY
N801NN 3EA
N802NN 3EB
N803NN 3EC
N804NN 3ED
N805NN 3EE
N807NN 3EG
N809NN 3EJ
N810NN 3EK
N811NN 3EL
N812NN 3EM
N813NN 3EN
N814NN 3EP
N815NN 3ER
N816NN 3ES
N817NN 3ET
N818NN 3EU
N819NN 3EV
N820NN 3EW
N821NN 3EX
N822NN 3EY
N823NN 3FA
N824NN 3FB
N825NN 3FC
N826NN 3FD
N827NN 3FE
N829NN 3FF
N830NN 3FG
N831NN 3FH
N832NN 3FJ
N833NN 3FK
N834NN 3FL
N835NN 3FM
N836NN 3FN
N837NN 3FP oneworld paint
N838NN 3FR oneworld paint
N839NN 3FS
N840NN 3FT
N841NN 3FU
N842NN 3FV
N843NN 3FW
N844NN 3FX
N872NN 3HD BSI
N894NN 3JD BSI
N895NN 3JE BSI
N896NN 3JF BSI
N897NN 3JG BSI
N908NN 3JT BSI
N922NN 3KH BSI
N923NN 3KJ BSI
N924NN 3KK BSI
N925NN 3KL BSI
N926NN 3KM BSI
N927NN 3KN BSI
N928NN 3KP BSI
N929NN 3KR BSI
N930NN 3KS BSI
N931NN 3KT BSI
N932NN 3KU BSI
N933NN 3KV BSI
N934NN 3KW BSI
N935NN 3KX BSI
N936NN 3KY BSI
N937NN 3LA BSI
N938NN 3LB BSI
N939NN 3LC BSI AVOD
N940NN 3LD BSI AVOD
N941NN 3LE BSI AVOD
N942NN 3LF BSI AVOD
N943NN 3LG BSI AVOD
N944NN 3LH BSI AVOD
N945NN 3LJ BSI AVOD
N946NN 3LK BSI AVOD
N947NN 3LL BSI AVOD
N948NN 3LM BSI AVOD
N949NN 3LN BSI AVOD
N950NN 3LP BSI AVOD
N951NN 3LR BSI AVOD
N952NN 3LS BSI AVOD
N953NN 3LT BSI AVOD
N954NN 3LU BSI AVOD
N956NN 3LW BSI AVOD
N957AN 3LX BSI AVOD
N958NN 3LY BSI AVOD

Boeing 757-200 (3/81)
N185AN 5ET
N187AN 5EV
N189AN 5EX

Boeing 767-300 (35/58)
N342AN 342 Retrofit Cabin
N343AN 343 oneworld livery Retrofit Cabin
N344AN 344 Retrofit Cabin
N345AN 345 Retrofit Cabin
N346AN 346
N347AN 347 Retrofit Cabin
N348AN 348 Retrofit Cabin
N349AN 349
N350AN 350 Retrofit Cabin
N366AA 366
N368AA 368
N369AA 369
N372AA 372
N373AA 373
N374AA 374
N7375A 375
N376AN 376
N378AN 378
N379AA 379
N380AN 380
N382AN 382
N383AN 383
N384AA 384
N385AM 385
N386AA 386
N387AM 387
N388AA 388
N389AA 389
N390AA 390
N391AA 391
N392AN 392
N393AN 393 Retrofit Cabin
N394AN 394
N395AN 395
N398AN 398

Boeing 777-200 (47/47)
N770AN 7AA
N771AN 7AB
N772AN 7AC
N773AN 7AD
N774AN 7AE
N775AN 7AF
N776AN 7AG
N777AN 7AH
N778AN 7AJ
N779AN 7AK
N780AN 7AL
N781AN 7AM
N782AN 7AN
N783AN 7AP
N784AN 7AR
N785AN 7AS
N786AN 7AT
N787AN 7AL
N788AN 7AV Retrofit Cabin
N789AN 7AW
N790AN 7AX
N791AN 7AY oneworld livery
N792AN 7BA
N793AN 7BB
N794AN 7BC
N795AN 7BD
N796AN 7BE oneworld livery
N797AN 7BF
N798AN 7BG
N799AN 7BH
N750AN 7BJ
N751AN 7BK
N752AN 7BL
N753AN 7BM
N754AN 7BN
N755AN 7BP
N756AM 7BR
N757AN 7BS
N758AN 7BT
N759AN 7BU
N760AN 7BV
N761AJ 7BW
N762AN 7BX
N765AN 7BY
N766AN 7CA
N767AJ 7CB
N768AA 7CC

Boeing 777-300 (15/15)
N717AN 7LA
N718AN 7LB
N719AN 7LC
N720AN 7LD
N721AN 7LE
N722AN 7LF
N723AN 7LG
N724AN 7LH
N725AN 7LJ
N726AN 7LK
N727AN 7LL
N728AN 7LM
N729AN 7LN
N730AN 7LP
N731AN 7LR

US Airways

Airbus A319 (12/93)
N700UW 700
N701UW 701
N702UW 702
N703UW 703
N742PS 742 PSA scheme adding American Titles
N745VJ 745 Allegheny scheme adding American Titles
N809AW 809
N814AW 814
N819AW 819
N827AW 827
N835AW 835
N838AW 838 American West adding American Titles

Airbus A320 (0/66)

Airbus A321 (24/107)
N169UW 169
N171US 171
N173UW 173
N193UW 193
N194UW 194
N195UW 195
N196UW 196
N508AY 508
N509AY 509
N510UW 510
N519UW 519
N520UW 520
N579UW 579
N580UW 580
N581UW 581
N582UW 582
N583UW 583
N584UW 584
N585UW 585
N586UW 586
N587UW 587
N911UY 971
N912UY 912
N913UY 913


Airbus A330-200 (1/15)
N288AY

Airbus A330-300 (3/9)
N270AY 270
N275AY 275
N277AY 277

Boeing 757-200 (3/24)
N939UW
N203UW
N204UW

Embraer 190 (0/20)

Embraer 170/175 Republic (2/58)
N137HQ
N138HQ

Canadair CRJ200 PSA, Skywest, Air Wisconsin (0/116)

MESA
CRJ900 (10)
N241LR
N242LR
N943LR
N944LR
N945LR
N946LR
N947LR
N948LR
N950LR
N951LR

PSA

CRJ900 (8/8)
N547NN
N548NN
N549NN
N550NN
N551NN
N552NN
N553NN
N554NN


CRJ700 (4/14)
N706PS
N712PS
N719PS
N723PS

deHavilland Dash 8 Piedmont (3/40)
N327EN
N329EN
N337EN

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RE: New AA Painted Aircraft - Part 8

Mon Oct 13, 2014 6:46 pm

Quoting UGA777 (Reply 67):
I think there are 239 737-800s now. It could be 240 with latest delivery.

The latest delivery is 239

I would love to see a heritage airplane in this livery


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RE: New AA Painted Aircraft - Part 8

Mon Oct 13, 2014 6:56 pm

It seems that the 763 and the 772 retrofits are going rather slow. Wonder if it will pickup some momentum and speed up the process.
 
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RE: New AA Painted Aircraft - Part 8

Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:59 pm

Quoting dtw757 (Reply 117):
Canadair CRJ 200 (1/11) operated as American Eagle by Expressjet

Should be listed as (1/12). The aircraft recently painted was to add a spare aircraft to system.
 
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RE: New AA Painted Aircraft - Part 8

Tue Oct 14, 2014 4:52 am

Update: LUS 757 ship 203 came out of paint a day early and 205 (N205UW) replaced it in ROW.
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RE: New AA Painted Aircraft - Part 8

Tue Oct 14, 2014 7:03 pm

3GJ is now in the new F16Y144 configuration.
 
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RE: New AA Painted Aircraft - Part 8

Tue Oct 14, 2014 9:35 pm

Quoting dtw757 (Reply 117):
N838AW 838 American West adding American Titles

*America West  
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RE: New AA Painted Aircraft - Part 8

Wed Oct 15, 2014 12:59 pm

Any word on when the first A332 will return from GUS? N288AY has been there for two whole weeks already.

Also looks like another A321 arrived GUS....any info?

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RE: New AA Painted Aircraft - Part 8

Wed Oct 15, 2014 2:02 pm

Quoting dtw757 (Reply 124):
Also looks like another A321 arrived GUS....any info?

N521UW goes into GUS
 
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RE: New AA Painted Aircraft - Part 8

Wed Oct 15, 2014 3:33 pm

I noticed that N838NN hasn't moved since arriving in MIA two days ago. Is it undergoing maintenance in MIA? When will it fly again and where to?

A388
 
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RE: New AA Painted Aircraft - Part 8

Wed Oct 15, 2014 3:48 pm

Quoting dtw757 (Reply 124):
Any word on when the first A332 will return from GUS? N288AY has been there for two whole weeks already.

It's still due out tomorrow, like I said in reply 109. Two weeks is the typical time for an A330. Plus, it's underwent a few other MEL fixes, so an extra day for that.
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RE: New AA Painted Aircraft - Part 8

Wed Oct 15, 2014 4:27 pm

Hey DTW757,

Just a small typo under the Envoy CR7s, a/c 530 should be tail N530EA.

Thanks for your hard work with these updates!
 
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RE: New AA Painted Aircraft - Part 8

Wed Oct 15, 2014 5:33 pm

7AM, 7AN, and 7AR all appear to either be in HKG or en route, presumably for installation of the new retrofit cabin.
 
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RE: New AA Painted Aircraft - Part 8

Wed Oct 15, 2014 5:37 pm

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 129):
7AM, 7AN, and 7AR all appear to either be in HKG or en route, presumably for installation of the new retrofit cabin.

Yes, let's play catch up. They're way behind in the 772 retrofit.
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RE: New AA Painted Aircraft - Part 8

Wed Oct 15, 2014 8:38 pm

The 6th Dash 8-300 is headed down to Jacksonville N343EN goes in, N336EN returns to service!
 
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RE: New AA Painted Aircraft - Part 8

Thu Oct 16, 2014 1:42 am

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 129):

7AM, 7AN, and 7AR all appear to either be in HKG or en route, presumably for installation of the new retrofit cabin.


The only aircraft which currently has retrofit cabin is 7AV
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RE: New AA Painted Aircraft - Part 8

Thu Oct 16, 2014 4:06 am

Quoting dtw757 (Reply 132):
The only aircraft which currently has retrofit cabin is 7AV

7AM was ferried NRT-HKG as AA 9600 on the 3rd, and 7AR joined her today.
 
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RE: New AA Painted Aircraft - Part 8

Thu Oct 16, 2014 12:25 pm

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 133):
7AM was ferried NRT-HKG as AA 9600 on the 3rd, and 7AR joined her today.

But for what reason? I had previously posted that several had the cabin mods simply because they were at HKG and that turned out to be incorrect. As of today in service is just one aircraft.
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RE: New AA Painted Aircraft - Part 8

Thu Oct 16, 2014 3:44 pm

Quoting dtw757 (Reply 134):
But for what reason? I had previously posted that several had the cabin mods simply because they were at HKG and that turned out to be incorrect. As of today in service is just one aircraft.

IIRC it was the same thing with the 767. One came out and then it took a while for others to join. Could it be they were evaluatiing the mods before they proceed to update the rest of the fleet?
 
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RE: New AA Painted Aircraft - Part 8

Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:15 pm

Just guessing, but they may have been waiting for an STC. That, and the busy summer travel period probably didn't give much slack in the fleet to keep the mods going.
 
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RE: New AA Painted Aircraft - Part 8

Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:29 pm

Quoting American 767 (Reply 82):
Count the AA MD-80 routes that are neither to nor from DFW, you can count them with maybe twice the number of your fingers at the most, and pretty soon your two hands will be enough to count them.

Thanks for your updates and insight in the thread. With 160 s80s left (and some staying until 2021) and some crossfleeting already happening, do you think it's possible for the Mad Dogs to end up on short haul routes out of CLT and PHL and bring more Airbuses down to DFW for swapping? Reason I ask is because the Airbus do better in hot and high situations.

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RE: New AA Painted Aircraft - Part 8

Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:38 pm

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 137):
With 160 s80s left (and some staying until 2021

Airfleets.net has AA down to 138 active MD-8X today. They will be long gone by 2021. I don't know why this is so hard for some people to accept. I love the plane, but they'll all be gone. It's pretty simple.
 
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RE: New AA Painted Aircraft - Part 8

Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:38 pm

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 137):
Thanks for your updates and insight in the thread. With 160 s80s left (and some staying until 2021) and some crossfleeting already happening, do you think it's possible for the Mad Dogs to end up on short haul routes out of CLT and PHL and bring more Airbuses down to DFW for swapping? Reason I ask is because the Airbus do better in hot and high situations.

A lot of the cross fleeting has been rolled back due to confusion among passengers and employees and the fact that it became logistically challenging. You wont see any MDs in CLT because setting up short halls would most likely require a flight attendant or pilot base of AA folks and that just isnt going to happen. Like was done with the 737s when those first started coming, they were isolated mainly to MIA for cost reasons.

Bottom line, its logistically best to keep the fleet in Dallas for maintenance and personnel costs.
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RE: New AA Painted Aircraft - Part 8

Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:47 pm

Quoting abirda (Reply 138):

I don't care about them staying around. I was never a huge fan of the S80 but better than a DL M88/M90 IMHO.

Quoting JDAirCEO (Reply 139):

Wouldn't they do what UA did with opening a sUA base in Houston and open s-AA F/A lines at PHL/CLT anyway? Eventually crossfleeting the international routes is going to be a priority.
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RE: New AA Painted Aircraft - Part 8

Thu Oct 16, 2014 8:02 pm

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 137):
Thanks for your updates and insight in the thread. With 160 s80s left (and some staying until 2021) and some crossfleeting already happening, do you think it's possible for the Mad Dogs to end up on short haul routes out of CLT and PHL and bring more Airbuses down to DFW for swapping? Reason I ask is because the Airbus do better in hot and high situations.

I don't think that's gonna happen. It looks like DFW will soon be the only hub to see the last MD-80s left until their retirement end of this decade. DFW may be located in a hot spot but it isn't so high above sea level, like DEN is, so I don't think they would swap Airbuses down to DFW versus MD-80s going to CLT or PHL, for the reason you are stating. I don't see AA opening a new MD-80 crew base. Why would they open a new base for crews flying on an aircraft to be phased out in a not too distant future?
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RE: New AA Painted Aircraft - Part 8

Thu Oct 16, 2014 8:31 pm

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 140):
Wouldn't they do what UA did with opening a sUA base in Houston and open s-AA F/A lines at PHL/CLT anyway? Eventually crossfleeting the international routes is going to be a priority.

They will not be opening any "AA" or "US" crew bases, they are getting ready to be on a single contract so it will be a general base. However, it would require either transferring S80 crews to CLT or training current US folks on the aircraft, that is probably not going to happen. Just like today, you can only bid on the aircraft you are qualified on so US folks will not be able to bid on S80s. See how complicated it starts to get? Much easier to keep a retiring fleet in one place until its gone, there are a plenty short routes out of DFW to keep the aircraft busy.

Cross fleeting will happen eventually but it was too soon and added unneeded complexity when there are other challenges to tackle first. Getting co-located at all airport locations is one that comes to mind...
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