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Austrian Airlines' B707 Ops

Mon May 09, 2016 7:50 pm


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Based on this Austrian aviation forum, if I understand well, this Sabena B707 was with OS between 25.3.1969 and 31.3.1971. It was apparently used on flights to JFK.

The above picture shows it at BRU. Does it mean it was operating VIE-BRU-JFK? Thus, was it some sort of code-share flight with SN?

Was it only operated on that route or did it serve other destinations too?

Thanks in advance.

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RE: Austrian Airlines' B707 Ops

Mon May 09, 2016 8:14 pm

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Thread starter):
Does it mean it was operating VIE-BRU-JFK? Thus, was it some sort of code-share flight with SN?

Yes, according to my memories, the Boeing 707 was part of a code-share agreement on the routing VIE-BRU-JFK.

The second attempt of Austrian Airlines to operate long haul was with a Douglas DC-8 Super 63 in 1974. This venture was also shortlived and Austrian Airlines concentrated their efforts to develop their short- and medium haul network with their DC-9s and later MD-80. In 1988, Austrian re-entered the long haul market with the Airbus A310-300.

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RE: Austrian Airlines' B707 Ops

Mon May 09, 2016 9:09 pm

Quoting MD80 (Reply 1):
The second attempt of Austrian Airlines to operate long haul was with a Douglas DC-8 Super 63 in 1974.

Was it only for cargo, hence the Austrian Air Transport name?


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RE: Austrian Airlines' B707 Ops

Mon May 09, 2016 9:26 pm

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 2):
Was it only for cargo, hence the Austrian Air Transport name?

It seems that Austrian Airlines leased this DC-8 from ONA (Overseas National Airways) for cargo servies to Hong Kong and not for passenger flights.
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RE: Austrian Airlines' B707 Ops

Mon May 09, 2016 9:40 pm

Quoting MD80 (Reply 3):
It seems that Austrian Airlines leased this DC-8 from ONA (Overseas National Airways)

Indeed: http://www.planespotters.net/airfram...46088/OE-IBO-Austrian-Airtransport

Quoting MD80 (Reply 3):
for cargo servies to Hong Kong

What kind of business was there between VIE and HKG?
 
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RE: Austrian Airlines' B707 Ops

Mon May 09, 2016 9:54 pm

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 4):
What kind of business was there between VIE and HKG?

I really don´t know. Hopefully, another member is able to bring clarity into this matter.

Interestingly, the name "Austrian Airtransport" (AAT) was used for many years by Austrian for charter services, using Douglas DC-9s and MD-80/-87s from Austrian Airlines on behalf of tour operators.

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RE: Austrian Airlines' B707 Ops

Mon May 09, 2016 10:48 pm

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 4):
What kind of business was there between VIE and HKG?

Back in the 70s HK was not the world class financial center it is today, a trendy, posh world city. Back then most of the trinkets we get from mainland China today were manufactured in Hong Kong. A services based economy only came to HK in the 80s and 90s.

I suspect that there was need for air cargo lift from HKG and OS tried that niche.
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RE: Austrian Airlines' B707 Ops

Tue May 10, 2016 1:53 am

Quoting MD80 (Reply 1):
Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Thread starter):
Does it mean it was operating VIE-BRU-JFK? Thus, was it some sort of code-share flight with SN?

Yes, according to my memories, the Boeing 707 was part of a code-share agreement on the routing VIE-BRU-JFK.

The VIE-BRU-JFK schedule for summer 1969 appears on page 6 of their April 1969 timetable here. They must have had 2 leased SN 707s as it was a daily service and would have needed more than one aircraft.
http://timetableimages.com/ttimages/complete/os69/

The service is gone from the April 1971 timetable.
 
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RE: Austrian Airlines' B707 Ops

Tue May 10, 2016 7:20 am

Quoting dcajet (Reply 6):
Back then most of the trinkets we get from mainland China today were manufactured in Hong Kong.

As in the famous line from Top Gun: "you'll be flying a cargo plane full of rubber dog shit out of Hong Kong..."
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RE: Austrian Airlines' B707 Ops

Tue May 10, 2016 7:56 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 7):
They must have had 2 leased SN 707s as it was a daily service and would have needed more than one aircraft.

Since they clearly state OS547 / 548 were operated by Sabena, it must have been a 707 in full SN livery.

Obviously they also had some sort of agreement with SN from SZG as on the same timetable page can been seen the SZG-BRU-JFK route with only 80 minutes to change of plane at BRU, or 50 when coming back from JFK.
 
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RE: Austrian Airlines' B707 Ops

Tue May 10, 2016 9:19 am

OS B707 ops were indeed interesting, planes came from SN, had JT4 engines, which made the 707 one of the really nice ones. ops didn't last long, as far as i know, there were two frames flying, one in OS livery, the other one in SN (might be mistaken). routs were from VIE via BRU to JFK, maybe on certain occasions SZG BRU JFK. but the most interesting B707 operator in austria was Montana Austria, a privately owned airline. they even operated the B707-138B... man that was intersting!!!

here an article in german only, but pics say more than 1000 words!!!

https://www.austrianwings.info/2011/02/montana-austria-die-vergessene-airline/

a few years ago, the pilot who funded this airline died, he was a legend in austria and a B767 captain with NG if i am not mistaken. those were the guys that more or less successfully challenged the state funded Austrian Airlines.
TU3/5,T20,IL8/6/W/9,I14,YK4/2,AN2/4,A26,A28,A38,A40,A81,SU9,L4T,L11,D1C,M11,M80/2/7,
AB4/6,318-321,313,332/3,342/3/5/6,712,703,722,732/3/4/5/G/8,741/L/2/3/4,752/3,763,
77E/W,J31,F50,F70,100,ATP,142/3,AR8/1,SF3,S20,D38,MIH,EM4,E75/90/95,AT7,DHT/3/4,CRJ/7/9
 
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RE: Austrian Airlines' B707 Ops

Tue May 10, 2016 9:52 am

Quoting Ty134A (Reply 10):
the most interesting B707 operator in austria was Montana Austria, a privately owned airline. they even operated the B707-138B... man that was intersting!!!

Here's some more:

Montana Austria? (by Airways Nov 3 2002 in Civil Aviation)

http://www.austrianinformation.org/w...2015-16/austrias-forgotten-airline
 
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RE: Austrian Airlines' B707 Ops

Wed May 11, 2016 2:19 am

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 9):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 7):
They must have had 2 leased SN 707s as it was a daily service and would have needed more than one aircraft.

Since they clearly state OS547 / 548 were operated by Sabena, it must have been a 707 in full SN livery.

They could still be in OS livery but operated by Sabena.That's been a common practice for many years. Even Sabena in their last few years had several routes operated by CityBird MD-11s painted in SN livery. I flew on those 2 or 3 times BRU-YUL. In such cases they just have a small decal somewhere reading "Operated by XXX", like all the regional carriers operating for major carriers in their livery.


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RE: Austrian Airlines' B707 Ops

Wed May 11, 2016 10:07 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 12):
They could still be in OS livery but operated by Sabena.That's been a common practice for many years.

Yes, and I didn't meant it as if the livery was displaying who's operating the aircraft. As the timetable shows, they must have needed two aircraft for the daily run, and since only one 707 in OS livery can be found on the web, that's why I said the second aircraft must have been in SN livery. In a 707 book only the OE-LBA can be found under Austrian's operations.

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