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eielef
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Do You Think EK Today Is PA In 1970s?

Tue May 10, 2016 8:51 am

Do you agree with the question previously posed?
Everyone who flies in EK, even those flying in Economy class, feel somehow fancier than flying with any other airline...
The crew is somewhat more sophisticated, pretty, don't know, just seems better.
It reminds me to Pan Am... And we all know what happened to Pan Am....
 
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RE: Do You Think EK Today Is PA In 1970s?

Tue May 10, 2016 9:00 am

Quoting eielef (Thread starter):
And we all know what happened to Pan Am....

Don't worry about EK, as long as we don't have a viable alternative to oil, EK and the whole GCC region for that matter will do just fine.
 
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RE: Do You Think EK Today Is PA In 1970s?

Tue May 10, 2016 9:04 am

Quoting L0VE2FLY (Reply 1):
Don't worry about EK, as long as we don't have a viable alternative to oil, EK and the whole GCC region for that matter will do just fine.

Are you suggesting that the geographic advantages of having a one-stop hub will cease to exist once there's a viable alternative to oil?
 
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RE: Do You Think EK Today Is PA In 1970s?

Tue May 10, 2016 9:20 am

Quoting rta (Reply 2):

Are you suggesting that the geographic advantages of having a one-stop hub will cease to exist once there's a viable alternative to oil?


Yes, by then you'll be able to fly LHR-SYD non-stop in an airliner that makes the 787 look like a DC-3!
 
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RE: Do You Think EK Today Is PA In 1970s?

Tue May 10, 2016 9:51 am

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RE: Do You Think EK Today Is PA In 1970s?

Tue May 10, 2016 10:29 am

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RE: Do You Think EK Today Is PA In 1970s?

Tue May 10, 2016 10:57 am

Or, like we say in Germany, everything has an end, only the sausage has two.

I would not make any predictions on the fate on EK, but concerning EY and QR I wouldn't be so sure.
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RE: Do You Think EK Today Is PA In 1970s?

Tue May 10, 2016 11:20 am

Quoting eielef (Thread starter):
Everyone who flies in EK, even those flying in Economy class, feel somehow fancier than flying with any other airline...

I think I must have missed something.    EK in Y class is mass transport - largely fine mass transport, yes, but that doesn't mean it's fancy in the back of a 77W.
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RE: Do You Think EK Today Is PA In 1970s?

Tue May 10, 2016 12:14 pm

I don't think EK and PA can truly be compared, for a start as discussed recently PA over 60-90's operated on average load factors in the low 50% up to at most around 65% where as EK operates average load factors in the high 80 to low 90 percentile range

EK is a single hubbed highly integrated carrier, focusing on efficient connection for PAX in waves at its hub, where as PA had multiple hubs etc

Those are just basic differences
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RE: Do You Think EK Today Is PA In 1970s?

Tue May 10, 2016 12:24 pm

Quoting eielef (Thread starter):
Do You Think EK Today Is PA In 1970s?

I think you need to go back a lot further than that to see the glory days of PA.
 
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RE: Do You Think EK Today Is PA In 1970s?

Tue May 10, 2016 5:00 pm

But I mean, exotic destinations, too much merchandising, even flying to DXB (which itself wasn't a famous destination for anything recently), now is seem as exciting. Albeit not being the launch customer of any aircraft, it has the largest fleet of A380's and it was the second airline to receive them (only after SQ), as well as of B777.
In these two planes, EK has 75 A380 and ˜145 B777, twice more than the following airline (SQ in the 380s, UA in the 777s).


People tries to get a 48h connection and visit that city, which has become very famous, mostly thanks to Emirates.
No-one says, excited: Oh, I'm flying QR, or EY or TK, and worse: no-one says: I just had an amazing flight in FR...
No-one want's (in my opinion) to do long transits just to visit a city, for instance DOH or AUH. Somehow DXB has attracted more people than these other destinations.

I have never flown on EK, but from all people's reports (even the trip reports here) it seems far superior than the others. I mean, see any EK trip report how many times it's been reviewed and have received answers, and is far more than what any other flight will receive.

I don't want to speculate of the future of EK, I've just read it made record profits recently, but I think is hell of a glamorous airline, something we haven't seen in a long while (maybe since the Concorde time).
 
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RE: Do You Think EK Today Is PA In 1970s?

Tue May 10, 2016 6:06 pm

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 6):
Or, like we say in Germany, everything has an end, only the sausage has two.

Please, please.   
Write it in the original German form. I want to impress my Wiener ( ! ) friends...
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RE: Do You Think EK Today Is PA In 1970s?

Tue May 10, 2016 7:37 pm

Alles hat ein Ende. Nur eine Wurst hat zwei .
 
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RE: Do You Think EK Today Is PA In 1970s?

Tue May 10, 2016 8:32 pm

Quoting TVNWZ (Reply 12):
Alles hat ein Ende. Nur die Wurst hat zwei.

FTFY  

Or, if you already know the proverb and want to mock it: "Alles geht vorbei, nur die Wurst hat zwei." That one rhymes, but the sentence doesn't make any sense.
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RE: Do You Think EK Today Is PA In 1970s?

Wed May 11, 2016 8:13 am

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 6):
everything has an end, only the sausage has two

FWIW I can think of a bunch of things that has two ends.
and ... not all sausages has two either.

  
 
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RE: Do You Think EK Today Is PA In 1970s?

Wed May 11, 2016 8:23 am

You're right. Like PA, they don't really have domestic flights.   

Though I do realize PA operated a few flights within the USA to transfer pax to intl flights from a hub like JFK.
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RE: Do You Think EK Today Is PA In 1970s?

Wed May 11, 2016 9:27 am

Quoting chiad (Reply 14):
FWIW I can think of a bunch of things that has two ends.
and ... not all sausages has two either.


We call that a Klugscheisser, or, in English wise guy. Which is Fitting to the OP Headline. If EK of today is the PA of 8not in) the 70s it would have a bad end And if the sky Caves in, all sparrows would be dead. and, yes, i know that there are a bunch of other birds as well.

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RE: Do You Think EK Today Is PA In 1970s?

Wed May 11, 2016 10:33 am

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 6):
Or, like we say in Germany, everything has an end, only the sausage has two

Ah, but what sausages they are. Best to enjoy them as much as possible, while you can.

Seriously, the Emirates are diversifying their economies, with airlines forming a big part of these moves.

It's already been proven that jet engines can run on bio fuel, though whether these form an economically viable alternative to petroleum based fuels is something I'm not qualified to comment on.

As for the lack of a domestic market, it's pretty much irrelevant given the geographical realities of such small states, but the 1 stop connection model that's been built up by EK seems to work spectacularly well & there's not much reason to doubt that it will continue to do so in the future.
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RE: Do You Think EK Today Is PA In 1970s?

Wed May 11, 2016 11:08 am

Emirates has done something very pioneering and bold, who would have predicted an airline with over 100 A380, in a part of the world begging for it with three billion people. Its right on India's doorstep. In Juan Trippe's wildest dreams Pan AM would have flown 100 747's, it did fly about 50 at its height around 1980.

There are some big differences, Emirates is in a part of the world with many newly rich people inching to travel with many protected flag carriers. PA home market is 10% the size of EK's area of the world so one has to expect Emirates to be bigger. PA was to some degree restricted the USA visa regime even when connecting while Dubai has not such thing, you just go from one plane to the other unless you actually enter Dubai. Emirates is its own creation way beyond what any one in the west could create, a creation of a country with all the resources directed to do this.
 
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RE: Do You Think EK Today Is PA In 1970s?

Wed May 11, 2016 12:15 pm

Quoting eielef (Reply 10):
No-one want's (in my opinion) to do long transits just to visit a city

Interestingly however this has been quite successful in Iceland with FI.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 18):
you just go from one plane to the other unless you actually enter Dubai

And in fact if you are a passport holder in most of the western world then you don't need a VISA to visit.

http://www.emirates.com/uk/english/p...assport_information/uae_visas.aspx

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