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British Airways A380 Go-Around At YVR!

Thu May 12, 2016 7:01 am

Was out watching the beast come in this evening at YVR, first landing on 08L, and looks like she flared a little early, caught some ground effect, floated, and finally went around. Second attempt was successful.

BA85 Operating LHR-YVR / A380-841 / G-XLEH

Was lucky enough to catch it on video, and was in the perfect spot. Was pretty awesome!!

Check it out: http://youtu.be/lE_aVsPs4Sw

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Thu May 12, 2016 8:07 am

Looks to me as if they were high on airspeed over the hedge on the first attempt? Maybe some mis-set parameters?
 
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Thu May 12, 2016 8:10 am

Watch a catch that was
 
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Thu May 12, 2016 8:12 am

Now that's a low pass! Nice catch. And that plane looks due for a good wash.
 
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Thu May 12, 2016 10:49 am

That was well done, didnt try and save the first approach went around and came back.
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RE: British Airways A380 Go-Around At YVR!

Thu May 12, 2016 1:16 pm

Quoting heavy747 (Thread starter):
Was out watching the beast come in this evening at YVR, first landing on 08L, and looks like she flared a little early, caught some ground effect, floated, and finally went around. Second attempt was successful.

Wow, cool! Is that a location where anyone can spot, or are you on the 'inside'?
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Thu May 12, 2016 1:23 pm

I have see many A380 landings but never a go round. One time was close as a flight with slot restrictions was released and anxious to go and didn't want to wait for the extra separation after the A380. The ATC asked EK if he wanted to go around and he said they were just barely OK.
 
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Thu May 12, 2016 1:26 pm

Quite often when arriving from the east, YVR ATC brings you in pretty high for 08L. If you don't know that and expect it, one can find themselves unstable for a safe approach.

While not a "very short" runway, 08L is shorter than a lot of runways that handle an aircraft this size. Looking at that long float, it certainly would have been interesting if they had tried to salvage the landing.

Hats off to a well disciplined crew, and probably one of the reasons British Airways is continually named the safest airline on the earth.
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Thu May 12, 2016 1:51 pm

Quoting heavy747 (Thread starter):
and looks like she flared a little early, caught some ground effect, floated, and finally went around.

Nice catch.

That's the worst thing for a tower controller, as far as wake turbulence goes. An A380 buttering your runway like that, meaning no more departures for a whole 4 minutes after.

Good thing 8L is primarily an arrival runway.

[Edited 2016-05-12 07:35:12]
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Thu May 12, 2016 1:51 pm

Holy cow - what a capture - u r da man!
 
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Thu May 12, 2016 1:55 pm

Quoting tjwgrr (Reply 5):
Is that a location where anyone can spot, or are you on the 'inside'?

Since the video seems to be filmed from higher than the runway, I guess he was on top of the gravel pile along Ferguson road, about where there are the last two white bands on the runway.

http://www.google.ca/maps/@49.2061631,-123.1895522,263m/data=!3m1!1e3

Quoting longhauler (Reply 7):
While not a "very short" runway, 08L is shorter than a lot of runways that handle an aircraft this size. Looking at that long float, it certainly would have been interesting if they had tried to salvage the landing.

Indeed. With slightly less than 10,000ft, had they touched down in front of the camera it would have been about 2,000ft from the threshold, at least it seems so to me.

[Edited 2016-05-12 06:57:43]
 
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Thu May 12, 2016 2:52 pm

Any idea what the winds were? The windsock looks like it was a crosswind to quartering...
 
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Thu May 12, 2016 3:32 pm

I think the A380 is a fine looking creature ! Haven't been on one yet, but looking forward to.
This was a bit odd this landing, going around when so close to the ground. Was the right call because they missed the opportunity and delayed for a few seconds and the plane started to rise again. I can imagine the call out was 50....40....30....20....10....10....10.. May have actually been a little higher. If he throttled back right at 10 when it got there, the beast would have landed.
But since A380s are sort of known to land rather hard, maybe the Captain wanted to grease a landing so went around. After a few seconds of floating, it would have been the right thing to do anyways. Good they had the skills.

A lot of pilots don't seem to have proper skills for going around and a go around becomes a major event when it should be a non-event.
 
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RE: British Airways A380 Go-Around At YVR!

Thu May 12, 2016 3:47 pm

Quoting Tommy525 (Reply 13):
I can imagine the call out was 50....40....30....20....10....10....10.. May have actually been a little higher. If he throttled back right at 10 when it got there, the beast would have landed.

Airbus aircraft call out 'RETARD' repeatedly until the throttles are pulled back, in place of the 10 call out on Boeing's. Airbus aircraft do have a 10 call out once throttles have been retarded, but it is seldom heard unless the landing is particularly floaty. So in this case, they probably heard that call out.

Quoting AApilot2b (Reply 12):
That is one ugly airplane! Great catch, but the beast is so ugly, that one becomes distracted by the hideous wallowing monster so much so that a go around seems unimpressive. All said the A380 is a disgrace to aviation. In a way it is sad proof that an airplane does not need to look good, to fly.

A disgrace to aviation? Bit much isn't it?

It might not be the best looker on the planet but the engineering is something that makes it indisputably impressive, and frankly, a huge contribution to aviation.

[Edited 2016-05-12 08:49:36]
 
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Thu May 12, 2016 4:33 pm

Quoting kdhurst380 (Reply 14):
A disgrace to aviation? Bit much isn't it?

A wee bit overboard I agree, but it's still mind boggling that such a beastly magnificent plane from head on can make one's stomach lurch once the side comes into view. It's hard to think of many other planes with that kind of split aesthetic. Most are just butt ugly or beautiful all around.

PS: great video, thanks for sharing that.

[Edited 2016-05-12 09:33:58]
 
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Thu May 12, 2016 4:35 pm

Hats off!! That was a superb catch, way to go!!


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RE: British Airways A380 Go-Around At YVR!

Thu May 12, 2016 6:38 pm

Thanks!! It was a pretty spectacular sight!!

Quoting tjwgrr (Reply 5):
Wow, cool! Is that a location where anyone can spot, or are you on the 'inside'?

This was outside the fences on the north side of the perimeter fence. There is a really good "dirt pile" that gives some pretty awesome views over the fence.

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 10):
Since the video seems to be filmed from higher than the runway, I guess he was on top of the gravel pile along Ferguson road, about where there are the last two white bands on the runway.

Sure was!!  

Thanks again for watching!!  

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Thu May 12, 2016 6:53 pm

Congratulations, this is like the holy grail of spotters everywhere and you were in the right place and nailed it perfectly!

Sort of reminds me of this one with the long float and go around, only you have better lighting, camera position and camera work :P http://youtu.be/-Mv6U-ug-Cs
 
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Thu May 12, 2016 7:32 pm

Thank you very much for sharing  
 
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Thu May 12, 2016 7:43 pm

Quoting Armodeen (Reply 17):

Forgive my ignorance, but if the MLG touches the ground, as it does in the EK video, does it have to be recorded as 'one cycle'? In effect, it becomes a touch and go, rather than a go around.
 
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Thu May 12, 2016 7:59 pm

Wow...great clip! I watched this event from my home last night and was very curious as to what happened. Not something you see often that's for sure!
 
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Thu May 12, 2016 8:00 pm

Quoting pnwtraveler (Reply 6):
probably one of the reasons British Airways is continually named the safest airline on the earth.

By Who? I would figure Hawaiian would have that honor with 87 years flying & no deaths or haul losses. I be leave BA has had quite a few of both.
 
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Thu May 12, 2016 8:05 pm

Coincidentally there was a British Airways A380 go around earlier today at LHR. Have only seen 2 A380 go-arounds at Heathrow despite years of watching.
 
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Thu May 12, 2016 8:09 pm

Quoting rbavfan (Reply 21):

Quoting pnwtraveler (Reply 6):
probably one of the reasons British Airways is continually named the safest airline on the earth.

By Who? I would figure Hawaiian would have that honor with 87 years flying & no deaths or haul losses. I be leave BA has had quite a few of both.

The biased. I can think of other airlines in Europe and the world that haven't had any serious incidents or even fewer serious incidents than BA have had.

BA aren't the first airline I think of when good safety records come into question, not the worst by a long shot, but definitely not the best.
 
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Thu May 12, 2016 8:14 pm

Quoting heavy747 (Reply 16):
Sure was!!

I'm glad I managed to nail the right location from behind my screen.  
 
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Thu May 12, 2016 9:37 pm

Great catch indeed. Congrats.

Is there a reason the gear was not retracted for so long? I'm guessing it is SOP, but to the untrained it appears the gear was down for about 15+ seconds after she started climbing.
 
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Thu May 12, 2016 9:44 pm

Slightly hot. Perhaps expecting crosswind?
 
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Thu May 12, 2016 9:47 pm

Great catch! Not something you see every day.
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Thu May 12, 2016 10:56 pm

Quoting rbavfan (Reply 21):
By Who? I would figure Hawaiian would have that honor with 87 years flying & no deaths or haul losses. I be leave BA has had quite a few of both.

Sure, but consider the sheer amount of flying hours BA does in comparison to the fringe carriers. We all understand "the safest" is a highly subjective term.
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Thu May 12, 2016 11:04 pm

Very nice! Love the spooling of the engines. Great job.

What camera dud you use? Really nice quality.
 
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Thu May 12, 2016 11:19 pm

Great video!

Looks like a light quartering tailwind + ground effect = hanging 22!

Joking aside, that is actually a deceptively tricky situation. With the tailwind you have to do two things: 1) carry power longer and lower and 2) flare lower and tenderly fly the airplane into the runway. The first is instinctive with the second being more on the counter-intuitive side and is the usual mistake.

What happens when you flare normally in this situation after holding power a bit longer/lower (as evidenced in the first attempt) is that the tailwind carries you into ground effect and you float big time. At this point you have two options to salvage the landing: 1) lower the nose while GENTLY reducing power and touch down with speed now further down the runway or 2) reduce power and THWUNK into the runway (in ground effect you lose aerodynamic momentum very quickly).

Kudos to the PF going around and making a textbook landing the second time around!

[Edited 2016-05-12 16:23:34]
 
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Fri May 13, 2016 1:47 am

Quoting Btblue (Reply 29):
What camera dud you use? Really nice quality.

Thanks! I was using a Nikon D750 with a Tamron 150-600 5.6-6 Lens.

Thanks for watching!!  

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Fri May 13, 2016 1:50 am

From Transport Canada daily occurrence reports:

A British Airways Airbus A380-800 (G-XLEH / BAW5VY) from London, England (EGLL) to Vancouver, BC (CYVR) elected to go around at 0221Z due to an aircraft handling issue. The aircraft was vectored for approach and landed without further incident at 0236Z. There was no operational impact.

As a sidenote, a BA A380 YVR-LHR on May 5 diverted to Goose Bay (YYR) due to a medical emergency. It was quite a long diversion, as it was about 1,100 nm north of Goose Bay at the time over the Canadian Arctic.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...4/history/20160507/0345Z/CYVR/EGLL

At 0800Z, a British Airways Airbus A380-800 (G-XLEJ/BAW84) from Vancouver, BC (CYVR) to London, England (EGLL) over position 6917N 7817W, declared a medical emergency and requested to divert to Goose Bay, NL (CYYR). The flight was cleared as requested. The flight landed without incident at 1017Z.
 
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Fri May 13, 2016 2:40 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 32):
A British Airways Airbus A380-800 (G-XLEH / BAW5VY) from London, England (EGLL) to Vancouver, BC (CYVR) elected to go around at 0221Z due to an aircraft handling issue. The aircraft was vectored for approach and landed without further incident at 0236Z. There was no operational impact.

Thanks for the additional info!!

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Fri May 13, 2016 2:45 am

Quoting kdhurst380 (Reply 13):

A disgrace to aviation? Bit much isn't it?


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Fri May 13, 2016 2:56 am

Quoting rbavfan (Reply 21):
By Who? I would figure Hawaiian would have that honor with 87 years flying & no deaths or haul losses. I be leave BA has had quite a few of both.
Quoting kdhurst380 (Reply 23):
BA aren't the first airline I think of when good safety records come into question, not the worst by a long shot, but definitely not the best.

http://ca.askmen.com/top_10/travel/top-10-safest-airlines.html
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Fri May 13, 2016 3:08 am

Quoting longhauler (Reply 7):
and probably one of the reasons British Airways is continually named the safest airline on the earth.

Huh? How could that be, when they have had multiple fatalities and hull losses in their history?

There's no way to factually could call them "safest airline" when there are those who are older (HA) or who fly comparable ASKs (EK) that have never had a single fatality.
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Fri May 13, 2016 3:17 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 36):
There's no way to factually could call them "safest airline" when there are those who are older (HA) or who fly comparable ASKs (EK) that have never had a single fatality.

Have a look at the way the list was compiled. The order is placed by how many flights has an airline completed without a fatality.

By comparison, lets say you bought a DC-3 a week before HA started up 87 years ago ... then ran it safety only once a week between New York and Boston ... and have for 87 years plus one week. Would that make you safer than HA as you can claim you have gone the longest without a fatality. You just didn't fly all that much.

Or started up an airline today, with one more airplane than EK. Are you safer than EK just because you are larger?

It is all simple unemotional statitics. If every flight is a chance of a fatality ... how many flights have you completed since your last fatality?
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RE: British Airways A380 Go-Around At YVR!

Fri May 13, 2016 3:25 am

Quite something to see this behemoth floating gracefully down the runway.

Reminds me of this SQ A380 floating a long way down the runway before landing compared to the EK one that lands earlier in the video.

http://youtu.be/ogcs2Exl4ok?t=30s
 
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Fri May 13, 2016 3:59 am

Quoting longhauler (Reply 7):
Hats off to a well disciplined crew, and probably one of the reasons British Airways is continually named the safest airline on the earth.

Nice to see a crew that knows how to do a go around without crashing these days!

Great video catch.

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Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 36):
Quoting longhauler (Reply 7):
and probably one of the reasons British Airways is continually named the safest airline on the earth.

Huh? How could that be, when they have had multiple fatalities and hull losses in their history?

There's no way to factually could call them "safest airline" when there are those who are older (HA) or who fly comparable ASKs (EK) that have never had a single fatality.

And Southwest which has only had one fatality in their 45 year history and that was a passenger in a car struck by the 737-700 that overran a slippery runway at MDW in December 2005 and came to a stop on a city street.

WN carries more than 3 times as many passengers as BA with a fleet that's roughly 2.5 times as large (704 vs 284 as of December 31, 2015). And WN operates almost twice as many flight sectors, 1.27 million in 2015 (about 3,500 a day) as all IAG Group carriers combined (BA/IB/Vueling, plus EI since their acquisition last August), at slightly over 660,000 (1,800 a day). I couldn't find that number for BA in isolation but it's probably around 1/3 of the WN total.
 
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Fri May 13, 2016 4:08 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 32):
A British Airways Airbus A380-800 (G-XLEH / BAW5VY) from London, England (EGLL) to Vancouver, BC (CYVR) elected to go around at 0221Z due to an aircraft handling issue. The aircraft was vectored for approach and landed without further incident at 0236Z. There was no operational impact.

Interesting, I saw this flight yesterday quite close to Simon Fraser University. Unfortunately my phone couldn't take a particularly good shot, but it has the timestamp of 7:23p
 
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Fri May 13, 2016 4:20 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 40):
WN carries more than 3 times as many passengers as BA with a fleet that's roughly 2.5 times as large (704 vs 284 as of December 31, 2015). And WN operates almost twice as many flight sectors, 1.27 million in 2015 (about 3,500 a day) as all IAG Group carriers combined (BA/IB/Vueling, plus EI since their acquisition last August), at slightly over 660,000 (1,800 a day). I couldn't find that number for BA in isolation but it's probably around 1/3 of the WN total.

Yes ... today.

How about 10 year ago? 20 Years ago? How about in 1976 when BA had their last fatality? (Which incidentally was due to an ATC error).

In 1976 WN only flew to 4 cities. I say this again ... if you started an airline today with one more flight a day than WN, would that make you safer than WN?

I am not saying all of these airlines are not safe. But I see a difference between "I am big and I promise to be safe" and "Look at the last 50 years, when I was always big, and I was always safe".
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Fri May 13, 2016 5:17 am

Quoting Tommy525 (Reply 12):
But since A380s are sort of known to land rather hard, maybe the Captain wanted to grease a landing so went around. After a few seconds of floating, it would have been the right thing to do anyways. Good they had the skills.

Indeed? I thought it was the opposite, that the A380 is known to land soft. Where did you get this view from? And you dont ever go around just to grease a landing. The only reason he went around was that the plane had eaten up too much runway and the wanted to have enough distance left when touching down.
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Fri May 13, 2016 8:32 am

Quoting Navigator (Reply 43):
ndeed? I thought it was the opposite, that the A380 is known to land soft. Where did you get this view from? And you dont ever go around just to grease a landing. The only reason he went around was that the plane had eaten up too much runway and the wanted to have enough distance left when touching down.

I'm not sure if this is an official fact about the A380, but I have flown on around a dozen A380 flights and the landings have indeed been quite hard.
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Fri May 13, 2016 3:05 pm

Quoting Cipango (Reply 44):
I'm not sure if this is an official fact about the A380, but I have flown on around a dozen A380 flights and the landings have indeed been quite hard.

Seen quite a few videos from the cabin during landing, and agree, these planes like to come down and come down hard!
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Fri May 13, 2016 7:03 pm

Quoting ZeeZoo (Reply 22):
Coincidentally there was a British Airways A380 go around earlier today at LHR. Have only seen 2 A380 go-arounds at Heathrow despite years of watching.

Same here, only to/from or at work and just living very near, one EK and one BA.

Looks aside, (subjective and always tough for a wide body though I always liked the L1011), notice how quiet it is even when having to initiate a go-around?
Again, living near LHR all these years you used to really know about one even if you couldn't see it.

Great video too.
 
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Fri May 13, 2016 11:40 pm

Quoting GDB (Reply 46):
notice how quiet it is even when having to initiate a go-around?

I noticed that too, it was SO quiet when it did the go-around! I miss the sound of old crackling engines :P

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RE: British Airways A380 Go-Around At YVR!

Sat May 14, 2016 12:38 am

I wonder if this was a result of the Runway Overrun Protection System (ROPS) alerting the crew that they would not have enough stopping distance due to the prolonged flare. I'm studying it now and evidently there are 2 phases of operation. The first begins at 500 feet AGL and the second is active after touchdown. Maybe someone with more experience with that system can shed some light.


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RE: British Airways A380 Go-Around At YVR!

Sat May 14, 2016 1:06 am

Quoting heavy747 (Thread starter):
Was lucky enough to catch it on video, and was in the perfect spot. Was pretty awesome!!

Check it out: http://youtu.be/lE_aVsPs4Sw

Andrew

Thanks for sharing. Great catch indeed. Made my Friday

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