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DL Inaugural RDU-CDG

Fri May 13, 2016 2:12 am

DL's inaugural RDU-CDG flight departed this afternoon. The flight is on a 757 and is daily year-round. With the addition of CDG, DL has direct connections to all its US hubs from RDU (except SEA) and CDG as well. Not to mention a large P2P network. It will be interesting to see how much further DL grows at RDU.

Article and short video of inaugural:

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/business/article77332437.html

[Edited 2016-05-12 19:15:12]

[Edited 2016-05-12 19:32:58]
 
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RE: DL Inaugural RDU-CDG

Fri May 13, 2016 2:25 am

Quoting kotoka (Thread starter):
DL has direct connections to all its US hubs (except SEA) and CDG as well.

Huh?  

DL032 is SEA-CDG nonstop.

I'm guessing you meant LAX?



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RE: DL Inaugural RDU-CDG

Fri May 13, 2016 2:28 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 1):
DL032 is SEA-CDG nonstop.

I believe he meant that RDU has links to everywhere but SEA on DL.
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RE: DL Inaugural RDU-CDG

Fri May 13, 2016 2:37 am

Quoting Alasizon (Reply 2):
I believe he meant that RDU has links to everywhere but SEA on DL.

Yes, that's exactly what I meant  
 
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RE: DL Inaugural RDU-CDG

Fri May 13, 2016 3:20 am

Quoting kotoka (Thread starter):

When you mean by P2P do you mean french dispora in RDU(which I could never imagine   ) or just people going from RDU for sightseeing in Paris?
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RE: DL Inaugural RDU-CDG

Fri May 13, 2016 3:22 am

Quoting lesfalls (Reply 4):
When you mean by P2P do you mean french dispora in RDU(which I could never imagine   ) or just people going from RDU for sightseeing in Paris?

he means point to point flights on Delta to cities that arent Delta hubs. off the top of my head DL also flies to cities like IND, CMH, CLE, TPA, FLL, MCO etc etc from RDU

DL does have a nice little operation going on at RDU for sure.

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RE: DL Inaugural RDU-CDG

Fri May 13, 2016 3:27 am

Is this the current longest 757 flight? Seems longer than United's EWR-Berlin. Another route that only a 757 can make, apart from the widebodies.

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RE: DL Inaugural RDU-CDG

Fri May 13, 2016 3:45 am

Quoting sv11 (Reply 6):
Is this the current longest 757 flight? Seems longer than United's EWR-Berlin. Another route that only a 757 can make, apart from the widebodies.

Other carriers need to fairly frequently fuel stop 757s on shorter routes than CDG-RDU westbound in the winter months. I wonder if DL may reduce service in the winter to certain days of the week or suspend service entirely during the worst of winter headwinds. It may also just be a route where DL will just take the frequent fuel stops in the winter. If the loads are light and/or there are not many onward connections in RDU, fuel stops do not matter as much as they do to flights going to a hub airport where many passengers miss connections due to the fuel stops.
 
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RE: DL Inaugural RDU-CDG

Fri May 13, 2016 3:58 am

Quoting MSJYOP28Apilot (Reply 7):

From what I understand it's purely summer seasonal, so winter OPS shouldn't be a concern.
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Fri May 13, 2016 4:15 am

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RE: DL Inaugural RDU-CDG

Fri May 13, 2016 5:23 am

Quoting sv11 (Reply 6):
Is this the current longest 757 flight? Seems longer than United's EWR-Berlin.

It's 63nm longer than EWR-TXL
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RE: DL Inaugural RDU-CDG

Fri May 13, 2016 5:38 am

Quoting MSJYOP28Apilot (Reply 7):
Other carriers need to fairly frequently fuel stop 757s on shorter routes than CDG-RDU westbound in the winter months

If you're referring to UA, keep in mind that all DL 752's are PW-powered, where UA oceanic 752's are RR-powered. The PW motors have better long range payload lift and fuel efficiency. Not by a significant amount, but it is definitely noticeable.

http://www.boeing.com/assets/pdf/commercial/airports/acaps/757_23.pdf

Pages 34 and 35 for the payload/range curves of the respective RR and PW models. Take, for instance, a 180.0 OEW+payload, and you get the following [rough] range figures:

RR (535E4B): 3450nm
PW (2040): 3600nm

So for those rather long 752 flights like RDU-CDG, the PW motors on the DL fleet do have a marked performance advantage.
 
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RE: DL Inaugural RDU-CDG

Fri May 13, 2016 5:54 am

It's not just the engines. IINM, the PW 752s have different piping/tankage, and can hold (slightly) more fuel as well.
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RE: DL Inaugural RDU-CDG

Fri May 13, 2016 7:23 am

Quoting ROCDLFAN (Reply 8):
From what I understand it's purely summer seasonal, so winter OPS shouldn't be a concern.

As of now, it's planned as a year-round service (e.g., it's bookable even in Jan and Feb or 2017).

Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 5):
off the top of my head DL also flies to cities like IND, CMH, CLE, TPA, FLL, MCO etc etc from RDU

Yes, other non-hub cities served nonstop from RDU include PHL, BOS, BWI, and soon, DCA. In total, DL has about 70 flights daily out of RDU.. But this flight isn't about connections on the RDU end, it's geared towards the Research-Triangle area traffic to/from Europe/Middle East/Africa/India....
 
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RE: DL Inaugural RDU-CDG

Fri May 13, 2016 11:39 am

Quoting MSJYOP28Apilot (Reply 7):
Other carriers need to fairly frequently fuel stop 757s on shorter routes than CDG-RDU westbound in the winter months. I wonder if DL may reduce service in the winter to certain days of the week or suspend service entirely during the worst of winter headwinds.

If by 'other carriers' you meant United, then yes, United had a problem year after year with Labrador (or Bangor?) fuel stops. Let's see if DL (by virtue of PW capability or better booking discipline) achieves better results. IMHO it's 757 RDU-CDG or nothing on DL. The market isn't deep enough to support anything like daily year-round on a 767.
 
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RE: DL Inaugural RDU-CDG

Fri May 13, 2016 12:19 pm

Quoting sv11 (Reply 6):
Is this the current longest 757 flight? Seems longer than United's EWR-Berlin. Another route that only a 757 can make, apart from the widebodies.

TXL-EWR, once a serial diverter, is now a 767.
 
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RE: DL Inaugural RDU-CDG

Fri May 13, 2016 12:41 pm

Quoting MIflyer12 (Reply 14):
IMHO it's 757 RDU-CDG or nothing on DL. The market isn't deep enough to support anything like daily year-round on a 767

With fuel as cheap as it is, this route should be able to support 767 service. Maybe not daily in the off season but at least 5x per week. Look at DL's load factor on BOS-LHR, it's consistently in the 50-60% range in the off season and the flight keeps operating, presumably because there is enough demand up front. RDU should have a similar profile of passengers. With a huge hub in CDG, wouldn't surprise me one bit to see this route go to 767 if range becomes an issue with the 757.
 
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RE: DL Inaugural RDU-CDG

Fri May 13, 2016 12:47 pm

Quoting ROCDLFAN (Reply 8):
From what I understand it's purely summer seasonal, so winter OPS shouldn't be a concern.

As someone said, this is year-round service. CDG traffic patterns from RDU are a lot different than what they were back in the 80s when AA flew to ORY from its RDU hub. There is consistent year-round business travel from RDU to Europe and India. BLR in particular comes to mind. I think that's the reason this was launched as a year-round service and not summer seasonal.
 
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RE: DL Inaugural RDU-CDG

Fri May 13, 2016 1:41 pm

So, is it year round or seasonal?

There seems to be a conflict amongst the posters here.
 
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RE: DL Inaugural RDU-CDG

Fri May 13, 2016 1:56 pm

If this route sticks around and is successful one would have to wonder what the plans are for the future considering that DL's recent fleet upgrades and the apparent future of the 757's? It may be that the 757's have 5-10 years of service in them for DL, especially since DL has their own tech ops in house but this route is exactly the kind of route that DL and other carriers are looking at for a true 757 replacement. The A321LR still cannot perform this kind of route with the same capacity if I recall correctly. I realize it may get close but still cannot match it though. Perhaps in the future a A322LR could match and exceed the 757's capabilites?
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RE: DL Inaugural RDU-CDG

Fri May 13, 2016 1:59 pm

Quoting kotoka (Reply 17):
BLR in particular comes to mind. I think that's the reason this was launched as a year-round service and not summer seasonal.

  
I have friends and co-workers who do this trip to BLR often. Currently it's a 2 connection trip because the LHR flight does not offer a same day connection Westbound. They are thrilled that they can now do this route with a single connection, and based on the timings it's as perfect a connection as you can hope for. I guarantee you that DL looked at the amount of connections they were getting to India from BLR when they decided to introduce this flight.
 
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RE: DL Inaugural RDU-CDG

Fri May 13, 2016 2:00 pm

Quoting spinkid (Reply 18):
So, is it year round or seasonal?

Year-round
 
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RE: DL Inaugural RDU-CDG

Fri May 13, 2016 2:13 pm

Quoting Alasizon (Reply 2):
I believe he meant that RDU has links to everywhere but SEA on DL.

There's no AMS link either.
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RE: DL Inaugural RDU-CDG

Fri May 13, 2016 2:14 pm

Quoting sv11 (Reply 6):
Is this the current longest 757 flight?

No,

DL's JFK-PSA is longer by 69 nm. 9h 39 min gate to gate, westbound.

ATL-BSB was even longer distance wise (not time wise), but is no longer served.

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RE: DL Inaugural RDU-CDG

Fri May 13, 2016 2:17 pm

Quoting deltadawg (Reply 19):
I realize it may get close but still cannot match it though.

Yeah, in this case "close" requires some swimming. LOL
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RE: DL Inaugural RDU-CDG

Fri May 13, 2016 2:57 pm

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RE: DL Inaugural RDU-CDG

Fri May 13, 2016 3:18 pm

Great news for RDU. RDU is similar to BOS for DL in a lot of ways. Not a full fledged hub, but service beyond flights just to DL hubs. As AirBazaar mentioned, these international flights from BOS have done pretty well - LHR-BOS doesn't have great load factors, but routinely sells out most of the front of the plane.

For CDG, AirFrance has served the route for many years. Several years ago, DL started an additional 757 summer service. That was upgauged to 763 and then last year, it was a mix of 763/764 and A333. I can see a similar trajectory for RDU. I also wouldn't be surprised to see AMS service launched at some point.
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RE: DL Inaugural RDU-CDG

Fri May 13, 2016 3:23 pm

Quoting Lexy (Reply 25):
This is what high prescription drug prices are paying for.

That is funny. Drug companies use marketing and pricing tricks that would make airlines blush.
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RE: DL Inaugural RDU-CDG

Fri May 13, 2016 4:31 pm

How are the aircraft for RDU-CDG being routed? I know last summer, DL was operating the following pattern for the PA-Europe flights ex JFK:

JFK-PIT-CDG-PHL-LHR-PHL-CDG-PIT-JFK

Will DL do something similar, such as JFK-RDU-CDG-RDU-JFK?
IND ORD ATL MCO PIT EWR BUF CVG DEN RNO JFK DTW BOS BDL BWI IAD RDU CLT MYR CHS TPA CID MSP STL MSY DFW IAH AUS SLC LAS
 
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RE: DL Inaugural RDU-CDG

Fri May 13, 2016 4:43 pm

Quoting EMB170 (Reply 28):
Will DL do something similar, such as JFK-RDU-CDG-RDU-JFK?

Considering this schedule planes should rotate among themselves:

CDG 11:15 RDU 14:45
RDU 17:58 CDG 08:10

CDG 13:35 PHL 16:11
PHL 18:43 CDG 08:35

CDG 16:10 PIT 18:56
PIT 21:30 CDG 11:20


Plane 1: PIT-CDG-PHL-CDG-RDU-CDG-PIT...
Plane 2: PHL-CDG-RDU-CDG-PIT-CDG-PHL...
Plane 3: RDU-CDG-PIT-CDG-PHL-CDG-RDU...
 
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RE: DL Inaugural RDU-CDG

Fri May 13, 2016 4:59 pm

Quoting winGl3t (Reply 29):

They would still need a flight to another hub to rotate through the rest of the system somehow.
 
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RE: DL Inaugural RDU-CDG

Fri May 13, 2016 5:06 pm

Quoting deltadawg (Reply 19):
The A321LR still cannot perform this kind of route with the same capacity if I recall correctly

This topic has been discussed repeatedly. Assuming that we're talking about missions at the edge of the envelope, the A321LR and B752 will be incredibly similar with the LR actually having LONGER range than the B752. Where the A321LR loses to the 752 is field performance and of course cargo volume. But there aren't any airports in Europe where altitude and runway length are an issue save for maybe MAD, and I guarantee you that the 752's aren't carrying much cargo either if they're having to make refueling stops at this length.
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RE: DL Inaugural RDU-CDG

Fri May 13, 2016 5:10 pm

The routing is ATL-PIT-CDG-RDU-CDG-PIT-ATL
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RE: DL Inaugural RDU-CDG

Fri May 13, 2016 5:44 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 31):
But there aren't any airports in Europe where altitude and runway length are an issue save for maybe MAD

What's wrong with MAD? 2000 ft altitude, shortest runway is 11,482 ft, longest 14,268 ft. Seems very much doable to me, even at 30C.
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RE: DL Inaugural RDU-CDG

Fri May 13, 2016 6:59 pm

Quoting kotoka (Thread starter):
DL has direct connections to all its US hubs from RDU

Which are airports with non-stops to CDG, in general.

Quoting kotoka (Thread starter):
Not to mention a large P2P network. It will be interesting to see how much further DL grows at RDU.

This remains to be seen how large the point to point with CDG is.

Quoting panamair (Reply 13):
Yes, other non-hub cities served nonstop from RDU include PHL, BOS, BWI, and soon, DCA.

Among them, PHL and BOS have non-stop CDG service and the other two involve significant backtracking.

RDU is an o&d on this route, essentially. Most pax will probably be connecting to the rest of the Eastern hemisphere in CDG.
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RE: DL Inaugural RDU-CDG

Fri May 13, 2016 7:02 pm

I know its anecdotal, but by looking at the fares and (full) seating charts in the days ahead, seams like DL is already killing it on the route. Especially up front where there are only three oversold tickets left to be sold until Tuesday.
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RE: DL Inaugural RDU-CDG

Fri May 13, 2016 7:05 pm

Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 34):

Quoting kotoka (Thread starter):
DL has direct connections to all its US hubs from RDU

Which are airports with non-stops to CDG, in general.

Off the top of my head for Delta. (Edit to note that some are seasonal on Delta metal)

JFK
DTW
MSP
SLC
SEA
ATL
BOS
PIT
PHL
RDU
CVG

LAX is served entirely by AirFrance as far as I know - 3 flights a day. Not sure if DL adds a 4th summer seasonal.

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RE: DL Inaugural RDU-CDG

Fri May 13, 2016 7:20 pm

Quoting tlecam (Reply 36):

JFK
DTW
MSP
SLC
SEA
ATL
BOS
PIT
PHL
RDU
CVG

LAX is served entirely by AirFrance as far as I know - 3 flights a day. Not sure if DL adds a 4th summer seasonal.

You missed EWR....So far, only PHL and PIT are seasonal. No DL metal on LAX...
 
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Fri May 13, 2016 7:22 pm

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 33):
What's wrong with MAD? 2000 ft altitude, shortest runway is 11,482 ft, longest 14,268 ft. Seems very much doable to me, even at 30C.

I don't know, hence why I said maybe. Although 2000ft alt at 30+C can be rough on twins and as I understand it, it's one reason why IB was so slow to adopt the A330.
 
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RE: DL Inaugural RDU-CDG

Fri May 13, 2016 7:29 pm

Quoting deltadawg (Reply 19):
The A321LR still cannot perform this kind of route with the same capacity if I recall correctly.

A321LR will actually have longer range, but not at the same payload.
Then again, we don't know what DL's payload goals are on this, so tough to say if an A321LR would be able to do it.


Quoting tlecam (Reply 36):
Not sure if DL adds a 4th summer seasonal.

They don't.

I'm sorta shocked that they aren't on LAX-AMS, a rather static route, either... figured for sure they'd join KL on that by now.
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RE: DL Inaugural RDU-CDG

Fri May 13, 2016 7:35 pm

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 12):
It's not just the engines. IINM, the PW 752s have different piping/tankage, and can hold (slightly) more fuel as well.

Where did you come up with that factoid? If in fact it's true, which I doubt, it would be meaningless in the scope pf things.
 
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RE: DL Inaugural RDU-CDG

Fri May 13, 2016 8:03 pm

Quoting Lexy (Reply 25):
This is what high prescription drug prices are paying for.

That is funny. Drug companies use marketing and pricing tricks that would make airlines blush. [/quote]

I believe he is making a point about the large numbers of pharmaceutical companies in the Raleigh area. If I recall correctly the Research Triangle is second only to the Boston area in terms of pharmaceutical and life sciences companies.

The fact that many of these companies are either based in Europe or have sister plants in Europe is no mistake as this new RDU-CDG route will make connecting to home offices and sister plants far easier and more palatable.
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RE: DL Inaugural RDU-CDG

Fri May 13, 2016 8:10 pm

Didn't AA start RDU-ORY when they had their hub in Raleigh (80s/90s)? I believe they used a 767. What were the circumstances around that route compared to the new DL flight now?
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RE: DL Inaugural RDU-CDG

Fri May 13, 2016 8:10 pm

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 39):
I'm sorta shocked that they aren't on LAX-AMS, a rather static route, either... figured for sure they'd join KL on that by now.

Understand your point, but the route is not static - it has grown every year in the past 3 years.

DL/KL has expanded in all stations in California and Utah in recent years, with LAX now 14x/week (KL) and SFO 9x/week (KL), and SLC 10x/week (DL/KL).

It is only in S16 that KLM - for the first time - reached the full 14x/week LAX-AMS, that is 2x daily in July-August only.

If DL continues to expand its LAX presence, S17 could see DL on LAX-AMS for the first time in peak season. But don't count on it, as KLM may have to reach 2x daily for a full summer season first.

In addition the two airlines tend to have routes to themselves, ATL-AMS is the only duopoly, though SLC-AMS is for this summer as well.
 
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RE: DL Inaugural RDU-CDG

Fri May 13, 2016 8:18 pm

Quoting factsonly (Reply 43):
In addition the two airlines tend to have routes to themselves, ATL-AMS is the only duopoly

JFK-AMS as well (2x DL and 2x KL this summer)
 
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RE: DL Inaugural RDU-CDG

Fri May 13, 2016 8:18 pm

Quoting factsonly (Reply 43):
In addition the two airlines tend to have routes to themselves, ATL-AMS is the only duopoly, though SLC-AMS is for this summer as well.

Side note, they both also serve JFK.
 
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RE: DL Inaugural RDU-CDG

Fri May 13, 2016 10:39 pm

Quoting sparkingwave (Reply 42):
Didn't AA start RDU-ORY when they had their hub in Raleigh (80s/90s)? I believe they used a 767. What were the circumstances around that route compared to the new DL flight now?

The two biggest are that RDU was an AA hub then, and the very strong population and business growth in the Triangle over the last 20 years.
 
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RE: DL Inaugural RDU-CDG

Fri May 13, 2016 11:24 pm

Good for RDU! But man, that's a long time on a 757. I'll take a connection, please.
 
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RE: DL Inaugural RDU-CDG

Sat May 14, 2016 2:39 am

Quoting BravoOne (Reply 40):
Where did you come up with that

DL and sUA birds are at 43,490L
sCo birds at 42,680L


Quoting factsonly (Reply 43):
It is only in S16 that KLM - for the first time - reached the full 14x/week LAX-AMS

When did they go full 2xD??? Totally missed that, but happy to see.
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RE: DL Inaugural RDU-CDG

Sat May 14, 2016 5:55 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 48):
When did they go full 2xD??? Totally missed that, but happy to see.
What's the eqp?

Turns out the full 2x daily period is much longer 4 July - 28 Oct 2016:

- dep. 1:45pm LAX - arr. 09:05am AMS KL602 B74M Daily ex.FR SU
- dep. 1:45pm LAX - arr. 09:05am AMS KL602 B744 FR & SU
- dep. 4:55pm LAX - arr. 12:10pm AMS KL604 B74M Daily

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Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos