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Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 50): Interesting. I'm still somewhat puzzled why they don't put an A330 or something on the earlier run (or have DL do it with a 767/A330), to make it yearround. |
Quoting N867DA (Reply 52): Will RDU become a reliever hub for DL? As ATL gets packed, Delta may look into selling connections through Raleigh at some point. With service to several North American cities and CDG, RDU may be more of a DL hub than CVG. |
Quoting N867DA (Reply 52): Will RDU become a reliever hub for DL? As ATL gets packed, Delta may look into selling connections through Raleigh at some point. With service to several North American cities and CDG, RDU may be more of a DL hub than CVG. |
Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 55): DL will run as many pax through ATL as they can, and then they'll just expand the airport again. |
Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 56): but ATL is not going to run out of room for DL for quite some time. |
Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 15): TXL-EWR, once a serial diverter, is now a 767. |
Quoting N867DA (Reply 52): Will RDU become a reliever hub for DL? As ATL gets packed, Delta may look into selling connections through Raleigh at some point. With service to several North American cities and CDG, RDU may be more of a DL hub than CVG. |
Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 58): Remember, though, that DL will continue to remove 50-seaters from the fleet and upgauge on many flights, resulting in fewer aircraft. |
Quoting factsonly (Reply 51): If DL was to come onto the LAX-AMS route, it is likely DL/KL would introduce a 3rd even later departure out of both LAX and AMS with a later arrival into both stations. |
Quoting BravoOne (Reply 53): May I ask where you see that published? |
Quoting reltney (Reply 63): 321 can't do it. After they add all the wiffle dust NEO-bla bla and super double winglets , it still can't match the stock from the factory 757. |
Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 64): Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 58): Remember, though, that DL will continue to remove 50-seaters from the fleet and upgauge on many flights, resulting in fewer aircraft. Sure, they might remove a few more, but this notion of them totally going away is insane. The most likely reason they will totally disappear is due to lack of staffing at the regional level, not a desire to park them by the major carriers. -DiamondFlyer |
Quoting davescj (Reply 54): RDU has the research triangle, so lots of good contracts are there to support various routes. But if DL wanted to start to 'rebuild' a reliever hub, I think they would go back to CVG or MEM (do to location, existing facilities, etc). But that's just me. |
Quoting deltadawg (Reply 60): With the pharmaceutical and life sciences industry in the Research Triangle there is plenty of industry to support a focus city. |
Quoting lexy (Reply 62): I don't get what's so special about RDU when compared to peer cities |
Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 64): Sure, they might remove a few more, but this notion of them totally going away is insane. |
Quoting MIflyer12 (Reply 14): The market isn't deep enough to support anything like daily year-round on a 767. |
Quoting sparkingwave (Reply 42): Didn't AA start RDU-ORY when they had their hub in Raleigh (80s/90s)? I believe they used a 767. What were the circumstances around that route compared to the new DL flight now? |
Quoting ytraveller (Reply 68): Pharmaceutical and research industries. |
Quoting lexy (Reply 62): I don't get what's so special about RDU when compared to peer cities, but whatever. I'd hate for anyone there to fly/drive to a hub like the rest of America. |
Quoting cessna2 (Reply 69): RDU had more pax last year than CVG and MEM combined. |
Quoting cessna2 (Reply 69): RDU also has a much larger corporate market than either one of those cites. |
Quoting lexy (Reply 62): I don't get what's so special about RDU when compared to peer cities, but whatever. I'd hate for anyone there to fly/drive to a hub like the rest of America. |
Quoting reltney (Reply 63): Flame away flamers. |
Quoting reltney (Reply 63): 321 can't do it. After they add all the wiffle dust NEO-bla bla and super double winglets , it still can't match the stock from the factory 757. |
Quoting lexy (Reply 62): I don't get what's so special about RDU when compared to peer cities, but whatever. I'd hate for anyone there to fly/drive to a hub like the rest of America. |
Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 71): Can someone enlighten me where they are putting this gate? |
Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 72): Market share in RDU is also fragmented, the market has high LCC saturation and the airport doesn't have the facilities to absorb a hub operation |
Quoting airbazar (Reply 73): I often describe RDU as a mini BOS. The socio-economic factors are incredibly similar. Huge education, tech, and biotech sectors with more than a fair share of locals with a lot of disposable income. |
Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 71): Lenovo is pushing for a flight to China. I don't see how this would be able to happen, but perhaps they can do a scheduled charter flight. |
Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 55): Why does DL need a reliever hub for ATL? |
Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 72): That's not correct actually. |
Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 72): RDU had more pax last year than CVG and MEM combined. That's not correct actually. Actually it is. 2015 Passenger Statistics. CVG-6,316,332 million MEM-3.57 million CVG and MEM combined-9,886,332 RDU-9,943,331 million So yes, my statement is correct. Quoting cessna2 (Reply 69): RDU also has a much larger corporate market than either one of those cites. And pretty sure you just made this up. Market share in RDU is also fragmented, the market has high LCC saturation and the airport doesn't have the facilities to absorb a hub operation. Its not worth the amount of time it would take me to prove you wrong. Either way, this is fantasy talk. Airlines don't do reliever hubs anymore. |
Quoting VgnAtl747 (Reply 74): Idon't have hard numbers, but RDU is called the silicon valley of the east coast for a reason. Not only would I argue that there is a larger corporate demand in RDU, I'd also argue that the demand in RDU is backed by more dollars. |
Quoting VgnAtl747 (Reply 74): As for the LCC market, Southwest and JetBlue have a decent number of flights, but I'd hardly call Frontier or Allegiant big players (do people still fly G4?), and every time I've checked, Southwest has been no cheaper than the legacies on comparable itineraries. |
Quoting cessna2 (Reply 77): So yes, my statement is correct. |
Quoting cessna2 (Reply 77): It's not worth the amount of time it would take me to prove you wrong. |
Quoting cessna2 (Reply 77): Simply pointing out FACTS. |
Quoting cessna2 (Reply 77): I never said they'd be looking at reliever hub in RDU. Simply pointing out FACTS. RDU is a good focus city for DL. With its corporate travel and consistent traffic, it prints money for DL. |
Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 72): They have a corporate community willing to subsidize air service. That seems to be the main special difference for RDU. |
Quoting airbazar (Reply 73): Neither can the 757 which is why you can't find a single 757 flying TATL with 200+ seats in it. |
Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 66): May I ask why you're still asking me-- instead of, say, checking Boeing's website to see for yourself? The tankage options are listed right there. |
Quoting N867DA (Reply 52): Will RDU become a reliever hub for DL? As ATL gets packed, Delta may look into selling connections through Raleigh at some point. With service to several North American cities and CDG, RDU may be more of a DL hub than CVG. |
Quoting VgnAtl747 (Reply 74): though I will say that UA and AA have sort of let DL run away with RDU |
Quoting cessna2 (Reply 77): |
Quoting VgnAtl747 (Reply 74): though I will say that UA and AA have sort of let DL run away with RDU, |
Quoting Lexy (Reply 25): This is what high prescription drug prices are paying for. |
Quoting incitatus (Reply 27): That is funny. Drug companies use marketing and pricing tricks that would make airlines blush. |
Quoting Southwest1675 (Reply 90): If RDU can support 2 daily nonstop flights to Europe, I don't see why BNA can't |
Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 79): Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 72): They have a corporate community willing to subsidize air service. That seems to be the main special difference for RDU. And so do most other airports (if their mgmt is competent). Even the World's busiest airport has offered subsides to get new flights. http://www.ajc.com/news/business/atl...r-incentives-for-new-intern/nfLDX/ |
Quoting Southwest1675 (Reply 90): If RDU can support 2 daily nonstop flights to Europe, I don't see why BNA can't |
Quoting airbazar (Reply 73): |
Quoting Aesma (Reply 97): Apples to apples, the 757 is a gas guzzler that most airlines in the world don't want anything to do with. |
Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 98): Nowadays yes, but not during its production years which ended over a decade ago. |
Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 98): If Boeing were still building and decided to re-engine it, it would be a player. |
Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 98): Ultimately, they decided to go a different route. |