|Quoting grbauc (Reply 29):|
I would debate that and strongly disagree. In the Socal region they retreated/Reduced many many of there flights up and down the coast from ONT, BUR even SNA to SAC,OAK,SJC after they chased of the other airlines and have raised the prices to near the old Legacy prices. ONT to OAK now costs $4-500 with bare minimum schedules and no competition week of travel. But Lax where there is plenty of competition I can get last min fares for approx $250-350 the same or more then AA,DL etc out of LAX. They now run the table here in California and out of secondary airports the Love they use to give CA with price and schedule is not longer close to when they first started dating us...
seems to be collecting the "avoid LAX
" premium at both ONT
|Quoting BestWestern (Reply 43):|
In the takeover documentation AS discussed the 'west coast market'. Is there such a thing? like combining Florida and New York as one market. I can't see the linkages between a California market and a Washington market - very different beasts. Is a Texas / California market closer?
No. Texas and California are not friends.
|Quoting neutronstar73 (Reply 42):|
America's Pest...err America West basically gave up direct SAN-LAS service (basically required a PHX stop) and I think, since the US Airways and American consolidation have surrendered that market.
Strange. US was still flying ONT
after being taken over by HP
|Quoting a380787 (Reply 76):|
A "go to" airline for a business passenger should be more than just exhausting every permutation between LA Basin / SF Bay / LAS / PHX.
At some point business travelers would actually be demanding things like NYC PHL BOS MSP DTW MIA/FLL nonstops (I'm excluding DC here since they nonstop to BWI but that's also the furthest WAS airport from the National Mall)
And once in a while, those business travelers would also like to take their family on family vacations to HNL OGG MCO CUN etc.
That's another advantage for WN
. They also fly east. By getting passengers from all (except LGB
) their CA
markets to DEN
, and LAS
, they can then take their pax to just about anywhere they fly with only one connection. This is strengthened by them having either MDW
, or both from almost all their CA
cities, and even more destinations from OAK
, and SMF
To compete, AS
would have to serve PHX
from all those places and then feed onto AA
, which probably still flies to most of the 65 PMUS destinations. Problem is that AA
still has the legacy HP
routes into PHX
from more places than WN
serves, so it doesn't make much of a point for AS
to add service that competes with AA
just to feed to AA
. With WN
being more viable for eastbound itineraries, travelers will stick with the same FF
program for north'-south travel as well.
Around 2007-2008 WN
did have codeshared flights to HNL
135 hrs PIC (mostly PA-28) - not current. Landings at MDW, PIA, JAN.