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Australian Aviation Thread Part 141

Tue May 17, 2016 11:29 am

Australian Aviation Thread Part 141 is now open

Australian Aviation Thread Part 140 (by SQ22 May 2 2016 in Civil Aviation)

In Part 140 we discussed

VA’s ongoing issues
QR’s inaugural flight to ADL
Canberra Airport unveils new international arrival & departure hall designs
QR to fly A388 to SYD seasonally from 15th September 2016
AN-225 visit to PER
QR to reduce ADL to 6 weekly for 12 weeks due to shortage of aircraft
QR says PER will be next to receive A350
AC to upgrade BNE to 787-9 from 30 Oct 2016
UA dropped from federal government travel list
QF HNL fares
CX looking at stake in VA
FlyCorporate to commence flights BNE-ARM from 1 August 2016
Solomon Airways suspends Honiara- Sydney flights
TT joins 7 other LCC in Asia to form Value Alliance
TT signs heavy maintenance contract with SIAEC

[Edited 2016-05-17 04:49:19]
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 141

Tue May 17, 2016 2:38 pm

Hey guys, does anyone know of a specialist aviation bookshop or bookshop with a great aviation section in Sydney or Canberra, or even Melbourne? I used to go to the one in Parramatta until it shut a while ago and I can't find a decent replacement. I prefer to look at books before purchasing as I've been burnt too many times buying books off the web....
I have a good library of books already and want to buy a few more in the next few days before a period incapacitated after surgery.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 141

Tue May 17, 2016 3:07 pm

Quoting bunumuring (Reply 1):

For more technical books you could look at the various university bookshops offering aviation studies or aeronautical engineering.

If your into aviation I could recommend "Fate is the Hunter" by Ernest Gann if you have not read it before. It a great read on the early days of aviation.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 141

Wed May 18, 2016 6:45 am

I don't know of any specialized aviation bookshops. But in Canberra (Curtin shops) there is a really quaint little second hand bookshop. I have found a few aviation books in there, including one really interesting one published in the 50s detailing the aircraft of the time
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 141

Wed May 18, 2016 11:42 pm

Not sure if this was discussed in the previous thread, but JQ have announced flights between ADL and MCY - interesting that JQ seem to be adding capacity to my airport, but VA are still flying here only two or three times a day!
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 141

Wed May 18, 2016 11:52 pm

Just spotted this:

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AirAsia X in the second-half of 2016 plans to expand Kuala Lumpur – Gold Coast operations, as the airline introduces 4 weekly terminator flights from 01JUL16. Overall frequency on this route will increase from 7 to 11 weekly, on board Airbus A330-300 aircraft.

I wonder whether there's a prospect of the KUL-AKL service becoming standalone, rather than transiting OOL? Or does the A333 not have sufficient range for that?
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Thu May 19, 2016 6:42 am

Quoting davidbyrne (Reply 5):

Quote:
AirAsia X in the second-half of 2016 plans to expand Kuala Lumpur – Gold Coast operations, as the airline introduces 4 weekly terminator flights from 01JUL16. Overall frequency on this route will increase from 7 to 11 weekly, on board Airbus A330-300 aircraft.

I wonder whether there's a prospect of the KUL-AKL service becoming standalone, rather than transiting OOL? Or does the A333 not have sufficient range for that?

Interesting to see if anyone has a breakdown of pax being OOL-AKL, KUL-AKL or KUL-OOL on the services now. MH pulling out of BNE will surely have helped their KUL-OOL flights...
 
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Thu May 19, 2016 7:40 am

Quoting davidbyrne (Reply 5):
Or does the A333 not have sufficient range for that?

An A333 could easily do KUL-AKL. MH have been doing the route with an A333 as I type. The newer builds have improved in range quite phenomenally.

I personally don't see MH ever returning to BNE as D7 continues adding capacity. With Mueller making his blunt exit my hope of seeing them at BNE again fades even further.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 141

Thu May 19, 2016 7:46 am

So VA have decided to rebrand Tigerair Australia after all. I have always wondered why they couldn't take the opportunity to get rid of Tiger name altogether the last time they rebranded which was not even long ago. It seems such a waste of money painting all the aircraft, paying royalty fees, etc. for a disastrous brand.

http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...s-group-lcc-holding-company-282042

"This hurdle should be eliminated in the coming months as Tigerair Australia and Tigerair Taiwan are expected to be rebranded."

"Virgin Australia now owns a 100% stake in Tigerair Australia and will likely select a new brand which better reflects its ownership structure."



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Thu May 19, 2016 7:51 am

Quoting 777LRF (Reply 7):
An A333 could easily do KUL-AKL. MH have been doing the route with an A333 as I type. The newer builds have improved in range quite phenomenally.

Problem with AKL is the lack of alternates. It would be interesting to see what MH uses, I can see that sector easily being 10 hours.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 141

Thu May 19, 2016 8:05 am

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 8):
"This hurdle should be eliminated in the coming months as Tigerair Australia and Tigerair Taiwan are expected to be rebranded."

"Virgin Australia now owns a 100% stake in Tigerair Australia and will likely select a new brand which better reflects its ownership structure."

I still feel that they will end up with the Scoot Australia branding.

The events that transpired when TT was purchased over the 2 phases were part of the business deal between SQ and VA, which offered continuity and although a damaged brand, it had started to rebuild its image.

With SQ potentially increasing its stake in VA, this will make further sense.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 141

Thu May 19, 2016 8:29 am

no surprises here, TG has delayed A350 service to MEL to August, was suppose to start in July

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/...a350-service-entry-to-august-2016/

Today's VA SYD-DRW returned to SYD due to smoke in the cabin

http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel...y/d07352ec3b97a9e2c12ec9860a49da41
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 141

Thu May 19, 2016 9:04 am

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 8):
"Virgin Australia now owns a 100% stake in Tigerair Australia and will likely select a new brand which better reflects its ownership structure."

Virgin blue maybe?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 141

Thu May 19, 2016 9:43 am

It seems for a period June-October that Airnorth is leasing a F100 for the DRW-TSV route. The flights become a TSV-DRW-TSV rotation, so that has me believe (assume) that Alliance would be the operating carrier, given their Townsville base. The Qantas website says "Operated by Airnorth" for the flights and the Airnorth booking system does not say anything about a wet lease situation, which has me intrigued. I thought the operating airline had to be disclosed at time of ticket purchase?

Anyone have further info or confirmation?

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Sat May 21, 2016 6:22 am

QF8 has barely left the US and has already planned to divert to BNE in the morning. Any details?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 141

Sat May 21, 2016 6:29 am

Quoting Ditzyboy (Reply 13):
I thought the operating airline had to be disclosed at time of ticket purchase?

In a codeshare sense- yes. In a lease situation maybe not so much... perhaps the cabin crew will be from Air North?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 141

Sat May 21, 2016 7:19 am

Quoting eta unknown (Reply 15):
In a codeshare sense- yes. In a lease situation maybe not so much

Interesting theory. Though I imagine a wet lease would be the same. Even the wholly-owned QantasLink carriers are identified for their flights.

Quoting eta unknown (Reply 15):
perhaps the cabin crew will be from Air North?

I don't think that is the case. The aircraft starts it's rotation in TSV. Each week the flights in which the F100 subs for the E170 differ also.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 141

Sat May 21, 2016 7:26 am

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 14):

QF8 has barely left the US and has already planned to divert to BNE in the morning. Any details?

Probably the word "Fog" is on the forecast.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 141

Sat May 21, 2016 9:35 am

Quoting QF2220 (Reply 12):
Quoting xiaotung (Reply 8):"Virgin Australia now owns a 100% stake in Tigerair Australia and will likely select a new brand which better reflects its ownership structure."

Virgin blue maybe?

Suggested this 3 months ago on this very thread, finally it comes. The TT brand simply has too much mud stickin to it! Virgin Lite would be my choice, that gives the association yet tells the consumer what to expect!
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 141

Sat May 21, 2016 2:35 pm

^^

If the analyst's prediction of SQ buying the majority (or the entire) VA stake does occur, I'd agree that TT becoming Scoot Australia would be the most likely tipped scenario.

Otherwise if the NZ stake goes to someone else, the rebranded TT's name could be anyone's guess.
 
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Sun May 22, 2016 12:26 am

Quoting Airvan00 (Reply 17):
Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 14):

QF8 has barely left the US and has already planned to divert to BNE in the morning. Any details?

Probably the word "Fog" is on the forecast.

Did it divert?

FR24 and flightaware both state "Diverted" but looking at the map it shows it flew to SYD?
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Sun May 22, 2016 2:19 am

It didn't end up diverting..
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Sun May 22, 2016 3:55 am

Not a lot of fog here this morning....

Someone on here said way back that DFW-SYD flights often planned to go to BNE, with SYD as an alternative, and then diverted to SYD upon takeoff. Is there any truth to this and if so, is this all that happened?
 
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Sun May 22, 2016 8:35 am

Quoting Thai77w (Reply 21):
It didn't end up diverting..

Thanks.

Quoting QF2220 (Reply 22):
Someone on here said way back that DFW-SYD flights often planned to go to BNE, with SYD as an alternative, and then diverted to SYD upon takeoff. Is there any truth to this and if so, is this all that happened?

Interesting...

Why upon takeoff?

I guess there becomes a point much later in the flight where they need to know if they will divert or not (if the weather forecast changes)...
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Sun May 22, 2016 8:50 am

Quoting sq256 (Reply 19):
If the analyst's prediction of SQ buying the majority (or the entire) VA stake does occur, I'd agree that TT becoming Scoot Australia would be the most likely tipped scenario.

Or could TT be used as an trade with SQ buy NZ stake, e.g SQ gets NZ's 26% and NZ gets TT who becomes NZ.
 
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Sun May 22, 2016 8:58 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 24):
Or could TT be used as an trade with SQ buy NZ stake, e.g SQ gets NZ's 26% and NZ gets TT who becomes NZ

Umm, if you're talking about Tigerair Australia, small problem, VA own Tigerair Australia not SQ. If you're talking about Tigerair based in Singapore, why would NZ want a Singaporean based carrier and why would SQ want to sell one of their local subsidiaries...
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 141

Sun May 22, 2016 10:03 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 23):
Why upon takeoff?

No idea to be honest and i may not have the story right either. Hopefully someone else can tell us!
 
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Sun May 22, 2016 11:36 am

Quoting sq256 (Reply 19):
If the analyst's prediction of SQ buying the majority (or the entire) VA stake does occur, I'd agree that TT becoming Scoot Australia would be the most likely tipped scenario.

Otherwise if the NZ stake goes to someone else, the rebranded TT's name could be anyone's guess.

The above has been my position now for some time. I am looking forward to the resolution of this matter.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 141

Sun May 22, 2016 12:36 pm

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 23):
Why upon takeoff?

Fuel and alternate requirements are more conservative pre-flight versus after dispatch. Thus once the flight is under way, it may be possible to re-plan to Sydney instead of going to Brisbane.
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Sun May 22, 2016 9:21 pm

Quoting QF2220 (Reply 22):

When it was DFW-BNE on the 74E they would sometimes file AKL but not use it. Depends on the weather a lot It seems which can change.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 141

Mon May 23, 2016 2:44 am

I'm travelling in Australia at the moment, and have a question I hope someone can shed some light on please.

I was passing Avalon airport the other day, and there was a 747-300 (no wingtips) in white but with Avalon Airport written all over it. Couldn't tell from my poor picture if there were engines attached or not, but does anyone know which 747 this is please? Is it an ex-QF 743? Does anyone know what's it's doing? It is visible from the main highway from Melbourne to Geelong. Thanks
PS...couldn't find any pictures on it on here
 
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Mon May 23, 2016 3:16 am

Quoting QF2220 (Reply 22):
Not a lot of fog here this morning....

Someone on here said way back that DFW-SYD flights often planned to go to BNE, with SYD as an alternative, and then diverted to SYD upon takeoff. Is there any truth to this and if so, is this all that happened?

Same thing happened again this morning but did not divert either...
 
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Mon May 23, 2016 4:04 am

Quoting n729pa (Reply 30):
I was passing Avalon airport the other day, and there was a 747-300 (no wingtips) in white but with Avalon Airport written all over it. Couldn't tell from my poor picture if there were engines attached or not, but does anyone know which 747 this is please? Is it an ex-QF 743? Does anyone know what's it's doing? It is visible from the main highway from Melbourne to Geelong. Thanks

You're right, it's an ex-Qantas 743. It used to be registered as VH-EBU or more commonly known as Nalanji Dreaming. It's been at Avalon since 2008 and has been stripped of all useful parts including engines. I believe it has been in Avalon Airport livery since early last year, but I'm not sure what it's purpose is now... It was reported that it was being used for filming and/or as a security training aid, though.
 
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Mon May 23, 2016 4:10 am

Quoting SYDSpotter (Reply 25):
Umm, if you're talking about Tigerair Australia, small problem, VA own Tigerair Australia not SQ. If you're talking about Tigerair based in Singapore, why would NZ want a Singaporean based carrier and why would SQ want to sell one of their local subsidiaries...

Also to add that the SQ group had recently brought TR and TZ under the one parent company (Budget Aviation Holdings PTE Ltd) which in turn their new 'parent company' is owned by the SQ group, assumably making way for a future merger of the two LCCs under the 1 AOC.
 
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Mon May 23, 2016 6:11 am

Quoting bbbb (Reply 32):
Quoting n729pa (Reply 30):
I was passing Avalon airport the other day, and there was a 747-300 (no wingtips) in white but with Avalon Airport written all over it. Couldn't tell from my poor picture if there were engines attached or not, but does anyone know which 747 this is please? Is it an ex-QF 743? Does anyone know what's it's doing? It is visible from the main highway from Melbourne to Geelong. Thanks

You're right, it's an ex-Qantas 743. It used to be registered as VH-EBU or more commonly known as Nalanji Dreaming. It's been at Avalon since 2008 and has been stripped of all useful parts including engines.

On the topic of retired QF birds... does anybody know when OJA will have all 4 engines attached?

Last time I passed it in April it had 2 engines attached:

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Mon May 23, 2016 8:38 am

This awesome looking Embraer Lineage 1000 arrived in BNE last night from Tahiti. One of the most fantastic liveries I've seen on a Bizjet.


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Mon May 23, 2016 8:46 am

Quoting Thai77w (Reply 35):
This awesome looking Embraer Lineage 1000 arrived in BNE last night from Tahiti. One of the most fantastic liveries I've seen on a Bizjet.

Much better photo than what I got on my phone in my morning tea break at college up the road from it. Thanks for sharing!
 
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Mon May 23, 2016 9:20 am

Found this little gem on Youtube. Clicked on it, and took me right back to AN123 TSV - BNE - SYD! Gotta love a little time travel.      

www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Lxk0r1TdrM

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 141

Tue May 24, 2016 12:23 am

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 14):
Quoting Airvan00 (Reply 17):
Quoting 777Jet (Reply 20):
Quoting Thai77w (Reply 21):
Quoting QF2220 (Reply 22):

The DFW-BNE flight plan was due to forecast strong headwinds enroute & hence the early plan to operate to BNE. Better to plan ahead opposed to enroute & arange resources at the last minute.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 141

Tue May 24, 2016 3:41 am

It would appear the HA BNE-HNL seasonal reductions from late OCT are actually permanent (4th weekly flight to operate on select dates in peak periods).

In other news, yet another Chinese airline to MEL starting in a few months... Beijing Capital Airlines (HNA subsidiary).
Shenyang – Qingdao – Melbourne x3/week A330-200 from 29SEP.

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Tue May 24, 2016 4:40 am

Quoting eta unknown (Reply 39):
In other news, yet another Chinese airline to MEL starting in a few months... Beijing Capital Airlines (HNA subsidiary).
Shenyang – Qingdao – Melbourne x3/week A330-200 from 29SEP.

.....continuing Melbourne's reputation as the A330 capital of the world   
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Tue May 24, 2016 7:19 am

Quoting tullamarine (Reply 40):
Quoting eta unknown (Reply 39):In other news, yet another Chinese airline to MEL starting in a few months... Beijing Capital Airlines (HNA subsidiary).
Shenyang – Qingdao – Melbourne x3/week A330-200 from 29SEP.
.....continuing Melbourne's reputation as the A330 capital of the world

At least this one is scheduled in daylight ! But I understand your frustration, at least in SYD we are starting to get a bit of variety back, even if it is still mostly big twins.
 
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Tue May 24, 2016 8:09 am

Quoting tullamarine (Reply 40):
.....continuing Melbourne's reputation as the A330 capital of the world   

Outside of NZ/SQ does anyone else still operate the 777 in MEL?

At least MEL can compete with AKL which is trying to be the 787 capital NZ,CZ,UA,AA,JQ
 
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Tue May 24, 2016 8:58 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 42):
Outside of NZ/SQ does anyone else still operate the 777 in MEL?

QR, EK, EY & TG still fly 777 to MEL. Most of the airlines that send a 777 to SYD don't serve MEL - VA, BA, AA, DL, JL & AC. KE, OZ, CA operate 777 seasonally to SYD. Only CX uses a 777 to SYD but not to MEL (on the flip side TG don't use a 777 to SYD).
 
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Tue May 24, 2016 9:05 am

From what I can tell, MEL has regular wide body passenger service from the following:

A380
- QF
- EK
- EY (Starting June '16)

744/E
- QF

A332/3
- D7
- XT
- CX
- CZ
- CA
- MU
- FM
- 3U
- CI
- QF
- VA
- VN
- FJ
- JD (Starting September '16)
- PR
- MH
- GA

77E/W
- EK
- EY
- SQ
- TG
- QR
- NZ

788/9
- JQ
- RB
- AI
- UA
- TZ
- MF (Starting July '16)
 
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Tue May 24, 2016 10:00 am

SQ also flies the A333 to MEL (and seasonally flies A380s also)
PR sometimes alternates 77Ws with A330s into MEL
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Tue May 24, 2016 12:30 pm

When does Thai start their A350 to Melbourne? Will be nice to see, not huge variety but a bit.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 141

Tue May 24, 2016 10:10 pm

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 44):

Woo hoo PER wins because we still have B763 international services :p
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Tue May 24, 2016 11:01 pm

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 46):
When does Thai start their A350 to Melbourne? Will be nice to see, not huge variety but a bit.

Was meant to be July but has been pushed back to August at this stage.

Given the A350 delivery delays and the fact that it is TG who knows  
 
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Wed May 25, 2016 12:20 am

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 47):
Woo hoo PER wins because we still have B763 international services :p

We did, the PER-CHC seasonal flight is being upgraded to 787-9 this summer

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/...th-aircraft-changes/?highlight=air new zealand
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