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Thu May 19, 2016 9:48 am

Quoting axio (Reply 9):
Their groundspeed was gradually increasing and then a little more at the end. Is that likely reflected in airspeed or was the wind speed the contributor?

Wind speeds were increasing the further south they went. Increased groundspeeds are almost definitely attributable to that.

Quoting CANPILOT (Reply 42):
Why is their aviation guy Richard Quest so dramatic with everything he says? He is literally repeating the same points, but just yelling them louder each time they put him on.
Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 48):
Do pilots normally report when they are beginning their descent ?

If assigned an immediate descent (i.e. "descend to FL300"), the pilots will read back the instruction and then start descending. There's no specific call to say they're starting down, but the readback of the instruction is just as good. If they were given a crossing restriction with a descent at their own discretion (i.e. "descend when ready, cross [intersection] at FL300"), then they'd read back the instruction but might not start descending right away. They are supposed to advise ATC when they start descending under those circumstances, but it's not at all uncommon for that call to not be made for any number of reasons.

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RE: Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing Part 2

Thu May 19, 2016 9:49 am

Greek ATC says the flight didn't "check out" from their FIR.
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RE: Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing Part 2

Thu May 19, 2016 9:49 am

Quoting CANPILOT (Reply 61):

Well, if that somebody studied the ordinary schedule of the flight perhaps he could have planted the bomb already in Cairo? But I admit that wouldn't make much sense as the person could have as well blown up the flight from Cairo to Paris with less risk...

A collision with a military aircraft could of course be another possibility, I wonder if there's much NATO traffic so early in the morning? If it wasn't a bomb or a pilot suicide that would be my third bet definitely.
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RE: Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing Part 2

Thu May 19, 2016 9:51 am

Quoting Buyantukhaa (Reply 67):
Greek ATC says the flight didn't "check out" from their FIR.

Usually the leaving ATC would instruct the pilot to contact the receiving ATC, so are they saying they instructed the aircraft to contact Egypt ATC and received no response?
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RE: Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing Part 2

Thu May 19, 2016 9:52 am

Ohhh man, another one after Flydubai crash. My thoughts with families and relatives of the passengers and crew on board.  
 
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RE: Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing Part 2

Thu May 19, 2016 9:52 am

whats to say the bomb was not put on board at Cario before it left to Paris.
setting it on on the return could cause more confusion?

Presumes it was not found at CDG but depending where it was put....
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Thu May 19, 2016 9:53 am

Quoting 77west (Reply 69):
Usually the leaving ATC would instruct the pilot to contact the receiving ATC, so are they saying they instructed the aircraft to contact Egypt ATC and received no response?

I assume this is what happened.
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Thu May 19, 2016 9:55 am

Quoting acelanzarote (Reply 71):

whats to say the bomb was not put on board at Cario before it left to Paris.
setting it on on the return could cause more confusion?

Presumes it was not found at CDG but depending where it was put....

There have been two previous cases where crew/staff at CDG didn't spot items left behind from the earlier flight.
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Thu May 19, 2016 10:02 am

Quoting acelanzarote (Reply 71):

whats to say the bomb was not put on board at Cario before it left to Paris.
setting it on on the return could cause more confusion?

Presumes it was not found at CDG but depending where it was put....
Quoting winterlight (Reply 73):
There have been two previous cases where crew/staff at CDG didn't spot items left behind from the earlier flight.

It would be very risky to wait until for the return flight from CDG if a bomb was planted in Cario. What benefit would that gain for the perpetrators?

If they are hiding a bomb so that it explodes on the return flight for whatever reason, they would have to hide it somewhere like the avionics bay where cargo handlers and pilots would not look, this would mean it would have to be maintenance personal? Again, just seems unlikely compared to it being planted at CDG, but I suppose it is possible...
 
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Thu May 19, 2016 10:10 am

Quoting acelanzarote (Reply 70):
whats to say the bomb was not put on board at Cario before it left to Paris.

It would be a piece of cake to get a MB or IS sympathizer who works airside to plant a bomb in a similar fashion to the Russian A321 crash back in October.
 
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Thu May 19, 2016 10:12 am

Don't know every one reads Aviation Herald but couple of interesting comments I would like to share from that site,

1. In 2013 this ship had an engine 1 stall caused by EGT overlimit up to 683 °c and resulting in engine 1 idle thrust lever and immediate landing

2. It is interesting that the transponder signals ceased at 00:33Z, but radar contact was lost at 00:45Z. Could this indicate that the problem started at 00:33Z and that the aircraft was airborne for another 12 minutes?
 
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Thu May 19, 2016 10:13 am

Quoting mila (Reply 54):

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 50):

If the plane was as reported only 20 minutes out from Cairo it is likely that the debris has ended up in relatively shallow water, which will aid the investigation.

Was not the flight 270 km from the coast and the sea 3000 meters deep, have you not read the thread?

I was going from the original information of it being 20 minutes out from Cairo, I now realise that was incorrect information, and the flight was probably around 40 - 45 minutes out.
 
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RE: Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing Part 2

Thu May 19, 2016 10:14 am

Quoting CANPILOT (Reply 73):
If they are hiding a bomb so that it explodes on the return flight for whatever reason, they would have to hide it somewhere like the avionics bay where cargo handlers and pilots would not look, this would mean it would have to be maintenance personal? Again, just seems unlikely compared to it being planted at CDG, but I suppose it is possible...

The medical kit or the stand-alone oxygen bottle (usually in one of the first luggage bins) or the galley could be a good place. With some practice and an accomplice, one can divert the attention of the F/As, and exchange the items. Another idea would be exchanging a life vest.


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RE: Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing Part 2

Thu May 19, 2016 10:18 am

Quoting CANPILOT (Reply 73):

It would be very risky to wait until for the return flight from CDG if a bomb was planted in Cario. What benefit would that gain for the perpetrators?

If it explodes just like the Russian jet after take-off from Egypt people would probably mostly probably just consider Egypt not safe and would move on. However even if they find the bomb in CDG, it will create doubts about the security of European airports while also hurting Egypt and the tourism to Egypt.
 
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Thu May 19, 2016 10:19 am

Quoting theaviator380 (Reply 75):
2. It is interesting that the transponder signals ceased at 00:33Z, but radar contact was lost at 00:45Z. Could this indicate that the problem started at 00:33Z and that the aircraft was airborne for another 12 minutes?

How in the world would they know that? That hasn't been reported anywhere as far as I know, and should be treated as extremely suspect.

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RE: Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing Part 2

Thu May 19, 2016 10:23 am

Oh, this is not good. Cruise altitude, no bad weather in area, no distress signal, suddenly vanishes.

Not a MS 990 situation or we'd see the descent.

48000 hours is a moderate number of hours, but no more than a lot of other aircraft that do out-and-back flying on a daily basis around the world.

Big implications, if a terrorist act, for security at a first-world airport in a post- 9/11 time...
 
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Thu May 19, 2016 10:23 am

Quoting winterlight (Reply 72):
There have been two previous cases where crew/staff at CDG didn't spot items left behind from the earlier flight.

Thankfully only an iPad and something similar.
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RE: Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing Part 2

Thu May 19, 2016 10:24 am

One could also think the Daallo airlines A321 from Mogadishu to Djibouti was a dry run for this event.
 
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RE: Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing Part 2

Thu May 19, 2016 10:37 am

Quoting winterlight (Reply 81):
Thankfully only an iPad and something similar.

Yet you only need a bomb half of the weight of an iPad to bring an airplane down.

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[Edited 2016-05-19 03:51:01]
 
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Thu May 19, 2016 11:04 am

rfi.fr reports...

"François Hollande confirme que l'Airbus A320 d'EgyptAir disparu entre Paris et Le Caire s'est abîmé"

(My remembered high school French)

François Hollande confirms that the Egypair A320 that disappeared between Paris and Cairo has crashed.

http://www.rfi.fr/contenu/ticker/francois-hollande-confirme-airbus-a320-egyptair-disparu-s-est-abime

goes on to say that no debris were recovered at this time.
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Thu May 19, 2016 11:05 am

I was seated in the cabin of an A320 a few hours ago and this story was the last thing I read before I put my phone into flight mode for takeoff... After landing I was hoping to read that everything turned out okay but that sadly did not happen...  
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Thu May 19, 2016 11:09 am

Terrible news to wake up to.
My thoughts and prayers are with the passengers on board MS 804 as well as their families, friends, and loved ones.

Currently nothing interesting is being reported from the Egyptian side (state TV) which I am tuning in on from time to time.

Plenty of flights cross into that area in the eastern Mediterranean south of Greece every hour and no one has said anything about flight diversions, disruptions or serious weather problems in that area.
 
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RE: Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing Part 2

Thu May 19, 2016 11:12 am

Local news reporting the aircraft made a sudden turn to the left, then a 360 turn to the right, and then plunged from radar.
 
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Thu May 19, 2016 11:15 am

Quoting jgriffin7 (Reply 87):
Local news reporting the aircraft made a sudden turn to the left, then a 360 turn to the right, and then plunged from radar.

The issue here is what radar are they referring to? Primary or secondary?
 
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Thu May 19, 2016 11:18 am

2 mins after ATC called them to respond, the plane made a sudden turn to the left then to the right and plunged 22000 feet before signal was lost. CNN

Possible rudder failure is what they are saying?
 
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Thu May 19, 2016 11:19 am

Quoting CANPILOT (Reply 73):
If they are hiding a bomb so that it explodes on the return flight for whatever reason, they would have to hide it somewhere like the avionics bay where cargo handlers and pilots would not look, this would mean it would have to be maintenance personal? Again, just seems unlikely compared to it being planted at CDG, but I suppose it is possible...


Not that unlikely really. Apparently the airplane had a maintenance checkup in Cairo only yesterday. Plenty of opportunity for maintenance staff with bad intentions to hide an object in a place not commonly checked.
 
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Thu May 19, 2016 11:22 am

Quoting janbrubel (Reply 90):
Not that unlikely really. Apparently the airplane had a maintenance checkup in Cairo only yesterday. Plenty of opportunity for maintenance staff with bad intentions to hide an object in a place not commonly checked.

Or a mistake to be made and something not be put back together correctly
 
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Thu May 19, 2016 11:23 am

Quoting janbrubel (Reply 90):
Not that unlikely really. Apparently the airplane had a maintenance checkup in Cairo only yesterday. Plenty of opportunity for maintenance staff with bad intentions to hide an object in a place not commonly checked.

or to have accidentally done something that could have caused the crash??
 
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Thu May 19, 2016 11:30 am

First of all, condolences those that lost family members and friends on this flight.

There are new reports from the Greek authorities that the plane made 2 'abrupt turns' shortly before the loss of contact. Hopefully the location of this loss will make it easier and take only a short time to recover human remains, parts of the aircraft and the 'black boxes' for investigations. I am concerned that Egypt may want to repress the possibility of a terror attack/bomb for obvious political reasons.

Preliminary information leads to a very high probability of terrorism in this loss. That is further supported by where the plane took off from, its destination, the airline and the political turmoil in Egypt. Sadly this is being exploited by politicians like the USA's likely Republican Presidential candidate Donald Trump with tweets blaming it on terrorism, and I suspect some right wing European politicians chiming in similar comments.

As other posters have noted, already a staff security review has been done at CDG, with some for now losing access. I am concerned that more onerous security checks, including in the USA will be put in at least short term will aggravate already long lines. Of course this will have even worse affects on the already troubled economy of Egypt, with major declines in travel there including business, personal, tourism and archeology/education.
 
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Thu May 19, 2016 11:35 am

The bomb that brought down the Russian A321 en route from Sharm El Sheihk was only the size of a soft drink can and was placed under a seat around row 30 or 31, possibly exchanged for the life vest. Do staff turning around flights at Paris or any airport for that matter check carefully under every single seat? I doubt it. Even a quick peep under every seat would likely have missed the Metrojet bomb. If this latest Egyptair event was a bomb, and it looks very like it to me, it was most likely placed in Cairo or Tunis, although I would not rule out CDG with 100% certainty.

Furthermore, ISIS more or less stated after the Metrojet event that they had 'perfected' their 'method' which included the type of device, and the arrangement they used to place the device on board an airliner. They mean what they say, so it was inevitable that they were going to let things go quiet then follow up with further atrocities in due course.
 
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Thu May 19, 2016 11:51 am

Quoting janbrubel (Reply 90):
Not that unlikely really. Apparently the airplane had a maintenance checkup in Cairo only yesterday. Plenty of opportunity for maintenance staff with bad intentions to hide an object in a place not commonly checked.

But why would they wait to detonate the bomb until the return leg? A load of 66 on an A320 doesn't really justify the risk of the bomb being discovered on turnaround at CDG in my book.
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Thu May 19, 2016 11:53 am

Stay away from CNN. Please. Use France24. Much better, IMHO.

/that's where I get my news, in addition to Japanese TV
 
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Thu May 19, 2016 11:56 am

I think the whole world need to adopt El-Al security and safety procedure, they are just perfect in many ways.

On the positive note:

The technology and safety on Boeing & Airbus etc are way up there sky high, so that a plane to go down must have been caused by third party involvement such as bomb, missile, pilot suicide. it does make me feel safer nowadays to fly however, all these recent plane crashed now needed to be addressed somehow!

1 thing that we all need to agree, pilot must go thru more manual flying instead of fully rely on aircraft automation system.
I would be nervous if the autopilot somehow failed in the middle of cruise.
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Thu May 19, 2016 12:00 pm

Quoting scouseflyer (Reply 91):
Or a mistake to be made and something not be put back together correctly

I seen to recall two Airbuses effectively doing this relatively recently.
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Thu May 19, 2016 12:01 pm

Quoting lugie (Reply 95):

But why would they wait to detonate the bomb until the return leg? A load of 66 on an A320 doesn't really justify the risk of the bomb being discovered on turnaround at CDG in my book.

But it may cause confusion on where it was planned,
Was the plane in range of a mobile phone network in Egypt, wondering if someone set it up to
ring a phone as a trigger?

Personally I hope its not a bomb, but not looking very hopeful at present.
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Thu May 19, 2016 12:03 pm

Quoting gia777 (Reply 97):

I think the whole world need to adopt El-Al security and safety procedure

It works well for them.
With how much time it takes to get through security with current procedures used at most airports in the US and the EU, it doesn't seem that it would be remotely practical or possible to do security "El-Al style".
 
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Thu May 19, 2016 12:04 pm

This provides you with some idea of just how occupied the water is in the search area:

http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:30/centery:33/zoom:8
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Thu May 19, 2016 12:07 pm

According to FlightAware for MSR804, the past two months the LFPG to HECA Flight was flown without exception with a B738. The only day in the last two months, May 18 (this crash flight date) an A320 was used. What specifically was the reason that the A320 was used on this date instead of the normal B738? Where did this A320 flight originate from previous to the LFPG departure to HECA. Was this specific A320 on field for a couple days or arrived from another airport short term prior to the HECA flight? Maybe just pure coincidence, but strange, and IMO worth looking into.
 
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Thu May 19, 2016 12:10 pm

Quoting neutronstar73 (Reply 96):>
Stay away from CNN. Please. Use France24. Much better, IMHO.

   Thank you for this. It is an excellent resource, and I have no problems live streaming it either.   

RIP to the souls on board.   I hope it is found as soon as possible.

I boarded a flight straight after the news break of EgyptAir MS181 in March. Thankfully that one did not end in tragedy.

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 85):
I was seated in the cabin of an A320 a few hours ago and this story was the last thing I read before I put my phone into flight mode for takeoff... After landing I was hoping to read that everything turned out okay but that sadly did not happen...  




[Edited 2016-05-19 05:21:16]
 
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Thu May 19, 2016 12:11 pm

Quoting cat3appr50 (Reply 102):
According to FlightAware for MSR804, the past two months the LFPG to HECA Flight was flown without exception with a B738. The only day in the last two months, May 18 (this crash flight date) an A320 was used. What specifically was the reason that the A320 was used on this date instead of the normal B738? Where did this A320 flight originate from previous to the LFPG departure to HECA. Was this specific A320 on field for a couple days or arrived from another airport short term prior to the HECA flight? Maybe just pure coincidence, but strange, and IMO worth looking into.

Flightrader24 says it was operated by a320s for the past week or so?

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/ms804/#9c0b766
 
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Thu May 19, 2016 12:14 pm

According to the touristic AMADEUS-bookingsystem for travel agents and airlines flight MS804 operates daily - Monday to Thursday using A320, Friday to Sunday using B737-800.
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RE: Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing Part 2

Thu May 19, 2016 12:14 pm

Quoting cat3appr50 (Reply 102):
as this specific A320 on field for a couple days or arrived from
another airport short term prior to the HECA flight?

1 | MS834
Asmara to Cairo
Departed at 05:53 local time


2 | MS843
Cairo to Tunis
09:28

3 | MS844
Tunis to Cairo
14:47

4 | MS803
Cairo to Paris
18:26

5 | MS804
Paris to Cairo
23:09

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RE: Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing Part 2

Thu May 19, 2016 12:15 pm

Quoting cat3appr50 (Reply 102):
According to FlightAware for MSR804, the past two months the LFPG to HECA Flight was flown without exception with a B738. The only day in the last two months, May 18 (this crash flight date) an A320 was used.

Wrong.

I have access to FR24 data, the flight has been operated by A320 for the past 5 days, before that A321 and A330 were also used after the initial switch from B738.
 
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RE: Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing Part 2

Thu May 19, 2016 12:17 pm

Quoting cat3appr50 (Reply 102):
What specifically was the reason that the A320 was used on this date instead of the normal B738?

Perhaps the scheduled B737 went tech and the ill-fated A320 jumped in?

Quoting cat3appr50 (Reply 102):
Where did this A320 flight originate from previous to the LFPG departure to HECA. Was this specific A320 on field for a couple days or arrived from another airport short term prior to the HECA flight?
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/su-gcc

The previous flight was TUN to CAI which landed roughly 1:30 hours before the next flight to CDG.
 
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Thu May 19, 2016 12:17 pm

Quoting redadeco (Reply 107):
Wrong.

I have access to FR24 data, the flight has been operated by A320 for the past 5 days, before that A321 and A330 were also used after the initial switch from B738.

Yes, that is what I am also seeing.
 
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Thu May 19, 2016 12:18 pm

Quoting spartanmjf (Reply 101):
This provides you with some idea of just how occupied the water is in the search area:

Which actually would be a good thing as there would be a lot of eyes on the water to find debris.
 
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Thu May 19, 2016 12:23 pm

Quoting gia777 (Reply 97):
I think the whole world need to adopt El-Al security and safety procedure, they are just perfect in many ways.

Speak for yourself. I have no intention of travelling on an airline that treats me as a terrorist from the getgo. You might enjoy that treatment, God knows why, but I don´t.
 
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RE: Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing Part 2

Thu May 19, 2016 12:25 pm

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 50):

Quoting LH526 (Reply 53):
Wouldn't it be around 6 on such a flight? Why 10? Could the other 4-5 be PADs / deadheads?

And I just heard that there were 3 security men aboard. Isn that a lot on one flight, or is it considered high risk ?

Apart from the fact there was a claim already from IS reported above in the thread, the route screams terrorism. Paris and Brussels are terror ground zero in Europe, the plane would be mostly filled with European tourists, and IS has already demonstrated their desire to damage the Egyptian tourist economy with the Russian crash.

The questions are given all the security people it would imply a bomb rather than an onboard attack. Next, was it loaded in CAI or PAR? If it was loaded in CAI, shouldn't it have been noticed under inspection in PAR unless it was hidden in a panel or something which would imply a lot of access to the plane which is very worrisome, or if it was loaded in PAR then it brings into question the compromise of the screening process which is even more worrisome. Even though passenger screening seems to work poorly, it seems to me that terrorists know there is the risk of being caught by passenger screening and look for ways to give them a better chance by bypassing it based upon the fact I'm not aware of a single terrorist has been stopped in passenger screening anywhere in the world that I am aware of, at least not one with armament necessary to down a jet (knifes and guns of course are found).
 
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RE: Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing Part 2

Thu May 19, 2016 12:25 pm

Quoting lugie (Reply 95):
But why would they wait to detonate the bomb until the return leg? A load of 66 on an A320 doesn't really justify the risk of the bomb being discovered on turnaround at CDG in my book.

If ISIS were involved, you can be pretty sure that this in not a 'random' or 'chance' act but likely well planned. I can think of many reasons to end the flight in this location. I don't feel very comfortable discussing this, but if their target was Egypt, then the position was chosen close to Egyptian territory in order to 'hit home', but far enough away to make the recovery of debris and the investigation as difficult and as costly as possible for Egypt. Also, the choice of return leg would be to put further fear into Parisians and at least for a while implicate CDG security. Not pleasant thoughts but nevertheless that's how these organisations think.
 
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RE: Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing Part 2

Thu May 19, 2016 12:28 pm

I can understand the political situation in Egypt and the recent attacks at París makes this suspicious, but that is not a guarantee of a terrorist related crash. There are too many possible causes that should be checked by the Team of investigators. The very same "ball of fire" spotted by some people in a nearby island could be a meteor that hit the aircraft. I know the chances are one in a trillion, but still exists.
A few years ago a Lan Airbus 343 flying the south Pacific Route from Santiago to Oceanía was just a few seconds away from being hit by one.

In any case, no matter the cause, my condolences to all the families affected.

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