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Air France's Vancouver Route

Thu May 19, 2016 11:35 pm

It's been over a year since AF launched this route. According to the airline's regional manager, the route has exceeded expectations in terms of load: http://www.travelweek.ca/news/air-fr...r-yvr-route-exceeds-expectations/.

Hopefully this will lead to a daily service during summer months for the CDG-YVR route, which right now operates 5x/week.

Though he did caution that the winter months were challenging. The new service seems to have affected KL's YVR winter operations which went from daily during 2014-15 winter to 5x weekly for winter 2015-16. And for 2016-17 winter, KL will reduce YVR further to only 4x weekly: http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/...ul-service-changes-as-of-03may16/. AF will continue to operate 3x weekly in that same season, making it a 7x weekly service between the two carriers combined.

From the two times I've taken AF for the YVR route, there seems to be a reasonable number of passengers connecting to/from SEA and PDX. Also many passengers connecting at CDG onwards to India.

The article also noted a 33% increase in the number of Vancouverities visiting France since the launch. I wonder what was % increase in French tourists visiting BC and embarking on Alaskan cruises for 2015 compared to 2014.
 
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RE: Air France's Vancouver Route

Fri May 20, 2016 4:47 am

I do wonder how much the point of sale is France, as opposed to Canada.
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RE: Air France's Vancouver Route

Fri May 20, 2016 5:05 am

The route served the purpose of maximizing profits in the peak season, which is the summer season which is very lucrative. With the low C$ and the economy in western canada not being stellar, this has not been a gold mine, although with cost sharing with KLM and DL (ticket sales), it really helped the profitability of the route.

Having said that, looking more long-term, it seems that AFKL want to position KLM as the no-frills, basic airline, while AF being the glamorous, fancy airline. The reality is that in this route probably the opposite will be true.
KLM is decently reliable, is much a better connecting point to anywhere in europe and beyond except regional France, and I believe it is only a matter of time before they put a shiny new 787 on the route. For AF the route is a low-priority, tired equipment, no gate, always late, and priced cheaper than KLM and often cheaper than any other airlines - including the like of Edelweiss and those 3rd class airlines.
 
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RE: Air France's Vancouver Route

Fri May 20, 2016 5:20 am

Quoting VCEflyboy (Reply 2):
With the low C$ and the economy in western canada not being stellar

The economy in BC has been doing quite well, in fact leading the country this year:

Article here

Alberta isn't, though BC is fairing quite well.
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RE: Air France's Vancouver Route

Fri May 20, 2016 7:04 am

A number of unsubstantiated opinions are being expressed by VCEflyboy:

Quoting VCEflyboy (Reply 2):
AFKL want to position KLM as the no-frills, basic airline, while AF being the glamorous, fancy airline.


The only real seat / service difference between these two airlines exists in Y+.

Quoting VCEflyboy (Reply 2):
KLM is decently reliable, is much a better connecting point to anywhere in europe and beyond except regional France,

AF/KLM also offers regional France over AMS:

- Strasbourg
- Rennes
- Nantes
- Clermont-Ferrand
- Bordeaux
- Toulouse
- Bergerac
- Montpellier
- Marseilles
- Ajaccio
- Nice
- Lyon

In fact AMS has overtaken LHR and LGW as the largest foreign destination in many of these regional French cities.


Quoting VCEflyboy (Reply 2):
Edelweiss and those 3rd class airlines.

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RE: Air France's Vancouver Route

Fri May 20, 2016 4:56 pm

Quoting factsonly (Reply 4):
The only real seat / service difference between these two airlines exists in Y+.

Also, AF offers a first product.
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RE: Air France's Vancouver Route

Fri May 20, 2016 10:51 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 5):
Also, AF offers a first product.

Do they on this route?

Quoting AirStunt (Thread starter):
The new service seems to have affected KL's YVR winter operations which went from daily during 2014-15 winter to 5x weekly for winter 2015-16. And for 2016-17 winter, KL will reduce YVR further to only 4x weekly: http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/...y16/.

I guess its just a good thing that the two AFKL hubs are now directly connected with YVR. After all its one company (although lots of people will deny of refuse to accept this). For connecting passengers (the majority) it doesn't make any difference.
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RE: Air France's Vancouver Route

Sat May 21, 2016 3:00 am

Quoting 777klm (Reply 6):
Do they on this route?

Absolutely not. They operate a 309 seat B772. 35 Business, 24 Premium Y and 250 Y.
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