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RE: Plane Crash Archeology

Posted: Tue May 24, 2016 7:26 pm
by 777X
At Philmont Scout Ranch in New Mexico, there are the remains of a B-24 which crashed there in 1942. I think there's a wing left in the side of a mountain. We didn't hike near enough to see it last time, and I don't think I'll get to see it when I go again this year. Maybe someone here has had the chance to see it.

RE: Plane Crash Archeology

Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 2:25 am
by 777Jet
I have always wanted to visit the Lauda Air Flight 004 crash site in Thailand.

I'm in the area four or so times a year but I've never actually visited the site yet... don't know why...

RE: Plane Crash Archeology

Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 3:11 pm
by maxpower1954
Quoting saleya22r (Reply 43):
I have no idea what type of an airplane this is. Any ideas?

Pretty sure that's an earlier model Mooney Mark 20 or 21. Clues - open wheel wells on bottom of wing, swept forward vertical tail,
corrugated tail surfaces, steel tube fuselage structure also visible.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi.../commons/b/b2/1958_Mooeny_M20A.jpg

RE: Plane Crash Archeology

Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 4:00 pm
by northstardc4m
Though not quite the same as some other post here... I drive through the sites of AC189 (DC-9-30, 1979, 2 fatalities) and AF358 (A340-300, 2005, 0 fatalities) often. They are next to Convair drive as it passes the western ends of the current 6L/24R&6R/24L runway complex around

RE: Plane Crash Archeology

Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 4:31 pm
by northstardc4m
since formatting got screwy on my previous post:

Though not quite the same as some other post here... I drive through the sites of AC189 (DC-9-30, 1979, 2 fatalities) and AF358 (A340-300, 2005, 0 fatalities) often. They are next to Convair drive as it passes YYZ's western ends of the current 6L/24R & 6R/24L runway complex in Etobicoke Creek. There is no sign of them now but the location is easily accessible on both road and multiuse trail along the creek.

I also have visited the site of AC621 (DC-8-63, 1970, 109 fatalities) in Brampton before it became a housing development. I told one of my coworkers what had happened there and he backed out of buying one of those houses.

I've also been to the SR111 memorial in Peggy's Cove, Air Ontario 1363 in Dryden and the Colgan 3407 one near Buffalo. Only the first do i find really appropriate and well managed, the last is bundled in with a 9/11 and war memorial and lost in there... and 1363s memorial was badly overgrown when i visited it several years ago.

RE: Plane Crash Archeology

Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 5:03 pm
by ceb20816
There's a gem of a little book, "A Missing Plane" by Susan Sheehan. It tells the story of a US bomber found decades after it went down in WWII in the junglle of Papua New Guinea. The bulk of the story tells of the efforts to identify the remains, locate family, and help them plan funerals for men that had gone missing 40 years earlier. Particularly moving were the accounts of children who had the chance to bury a father that they hardly ever knew, if they knew them at all.

Carlos

RE: Plane Crash Archeology

Posted: Thu May 26, 2016 2:22 am
by Viscount724
I've walked past this memorial on the side of an office building in MUC a few times.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/72/Flugzeugungl%C3%BCck_1960_in_M%C3%BCnchen-Gedenkplatte.jpg/800px-Flugzeugungl%C3%BCck_1960_in_M%C3%BCnchen-Gedenkplatte.jpg


It commemorates the 52 victims of the December 17, 1960 crash of a USAF Convair 340 (C-131D) soon after takeoff from the old Munich Riem airport en route to RAF Northolt near London carrying a group of US university students. It crashed in the middle of a busy intersection (quite close to the current Oktoberfest site) and struck a crowded tram. All 20 on the Convair and 32 on the ground were killed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1960_Munich_C-131_crash

Short newsreel footage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENJSGk2qcOU

That crash was the day after the mid-air collision over New York City involving a UA DC-8 and a TWA L-1049 Super Constellation that killed all 128 on both aircraft plus 6 on the ground. I expect there's some kind of memorial near the intersection in Brooklyn where the DC-8 wreckage came down.

RE: Plane Crash Archeology

Posted: Thu May 26, 2016 3:53 am
by Moose135
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 56):
That crash was the day after the mid-air collision over New York City involving a UA DC-8 and a TWA L-1049 Super Constellation that killed all 128 on both aircraft plus 6 on the ground. I expect there's some kind of memorial near the intersection in Brooklyn where the DC-8 wreckage came down.

Not near the intersection, but there is a memorial in nearby Green-Wood Cemetery. It was dedicated in December 2010, on the 50th anniversary of the crash. The remains of unidentified victims of the crash are buried in a grave nearby.

https://photos.smugmug.com/New-York-City/Green-Wood-Cemetary/i-qZWwfPM/0/L/JM_2010_12_19_Greenwood_002-L.jpg


RE: Plane Crash Archeology

Posted: Thu May 26, 2016 8:22 am
by saleya22r
Quoting maxpower1954 (Reply 52):
Pretty sure that's an earlier model Mooney Mark 20 or 21

Thank you maxpower1954. I agree. In another image of the wreck, the horizontal stabilizer is also visible with the typical Mooney form. The image you attached was of an early -58 Mooney with a wooden wing though.


RE: Plane Crash Archeology

Posted: Thu May 26, 2016 12:26 pm
by WA707atMSP
Quoting Moose135 (Reply 57):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 56):
That crash was the day after the mid-air collision over New York City involving a UA DC-8 and a TWA L-1049 Super Constellation that killed all 128 on both aircraft plus 6 on the ground. I expect there's some kind of memorial near the intersection in Brooklyn where the DC-8 wreckage came down.

Not near the intersection, but there is a memorial in nearby Green-Wood Cemetery.

There's also a memorial at the hospital in Brooklyn where Steven Baltz, the boy aboard the UA DC-8 who lived for about a day after the collision, was taken.

RE: Plane Crash Archeology

Posted: Thu May 26, 2016 12:52 pm
by PMUA787
Along the southern end of the Blue Ridge Parkway in Western North Carolina there is or was a wreck of a Cessna 414 Chancellor just to the north of the Waterrock Knob trail near the top of it. I remember visting this wreck back in the mid 1990's when I went to college at Western Carolina University. It looked like a case of controlled flight into terrain. It essentially looked like what saleya22r has posted above just the hulk of the fuselage and the wings left.

Re: Plane Crash Archeology

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 3:06 pm
by redzeppelin
This news item from Montana reminded me about this thread.
The article includes several photos of the wreckage of a USAF B-47 that crashed in southern Montana in 1962. It looks like there is still a lot of debris at the site. I wish that I had known about this when I lived there. A memorial is now being installed at a nearby cemetery.

http://www.bozemandailychronicle.com/ne ... c9edc.html

Re: Plane Crash Archeology

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:02 pm
by deltadc9
In Lexington KY the memorial for the Comair crash is actually at the Arboretum at the University of Kentucky campus miles from the crash site. The interesting thing is that right near the crash site, they constructed an aircraft fire training facility with a fake airliner hull that is charred from the training exercises. Ironic and a little creepy.

Re: Plane Crash Archeology

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:07 pm
by deltadc9
Also, this site is interesting for those curious about these sites: http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/WM2JGA. This link is directly to the Lexington Comair crash site as an example.