From 18 July Avianca (TACA Perú) will fly Cuzco-Bogotá-Cuzco three times per week on an Airbus A319.
AV 144 CUZ 16:01 19:44 BOG Mon, Wed, Fri
AV 145 BOG 07:44 10:52 CUZ Mon, Wed, Fri
Source: avianca.com
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RE: Avianca Launches Cuzco-Bogotá
Second international destination for CUZ, congrats to both destinations and AV! From the schedule we can see that it'll connect best with flights to/from LHR, PTY, MIA, JFK and MEX.
Felipe Carrillo
RE: Avianca Launches Cuzco-Bogotá
Cool!! It was about time for huge leisure destination like CUZ to get connected to a major hub like BOG. I'm sure they will succeed.
I would really like to see a GRU-CUZ flight 3 times per week as well
[Edited 2016-05-20 15:13:58]
I would really like to see a GRU-CUZ flight 3 times per week as well
[Edited 2016-05-20 15:13:58]
RE: Avianca Launches Cuzco-Bogotá
This is so cool! And definitely out-of-the box thinking by AV! Well done!
I wish this route all success! Can't believe they jumped the gun on CM with this one!
I wish this route all success! Can't believe they jumped the gun on CM with this one!
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RE: Avianca Launches Cuzco-Bogotá
| Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 3): I wish this route all success! Can't believe they jumped the gun on CM with this one! |
CM doesn't have any equipment suitable to operate at CUZ and LPB altitudes.
I'm not on CM's payroll.
RE: Avianca Launches Cuzco-Bogotá
| Quoting winGl3t (Reply 2): It was about time for huge leisure destination like CUZ to get connected to a major hub like BOG |
It makes a resemblance to AV BOG-LPB, taking into account the unusual elevation at either LPB or CUZ.
The 319 seems to be suitable for this purpose.
Regards.
"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
RE: Avianca Launches Cuzco-Bogotá
| Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 4): CM doesn't have any equipment suitable to operate at CUZ and LPB altitudes. |
CM still has 73Gs, at least for now. They could do it more or less equivalently to the A319 being used here.
I myself, suspect a more prosaic motive... ~Thranduil
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RE: Avianca Launches Cuzco-Bogotá
| Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 6): CM still has 73Gs, at least for now. They could do it more or less equivalently to the A319 being used here. |
Yes, CM still has B737-700 but none of CM aircraft has the kit to operate at CUZ or LPB.
As there are ETOPS modifications there also are high-altitude operations modifications offered by the aircraft manufacturers.
I'm not on CM's payroll.
RE: Avianca Launches Cuzco-Bogotá
| Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 7): CM still has B737-700 but none of CM aircraft has the kit to operate at CUZ or LPB. |
One more point: PTY-CUZ and PTY-LPB are farther than BOG-CUZ and BOG-LPB, respectively.
Thus, more load penalties apply in those planes heading to PTY.
Regards.
[Edited 2016-05-22 16:01:49]
"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
RE: Avianca Launches Cuzco-Bogotá
Anyhow, this is a very cool route. IMHO, CUZ is one of the most underserved airports regarding international ops in the world. Think of the amount of pax that go through LIM just to get to the inca capital!
I wonder why the departure from BOG is so early. I guess it has to do with aircraft utilization. If it were do depart on the noon-2pm bank it would catch so many more connections. It also offers a seamless connection from LHR, in direct competition with BA's new LGW flight to LIM.
By the way, the new airport in Chinchero is going to have a higher elevation (3700M) compared to the current CUZ (3300m). Although the runway will be 600m longer (4000 vs 3440m), I still wonder how aircraft performance will be affected.
I'm saying this because currently, AA's 757s struggle to make it to MIA from LPB (which is just a tad further and higher than the new CUZ will be), and have to stop at VVI (also for commercial reasons). However, the airport's concessionaire and Proinversión have announced that this new airfield will be MIA-capable. (Wonder if AA's A319s will make it by then).
I wonder why the departure from BOG is so early. I guess it has to do with aircraft utilization. If it were do depart on the noon-2pm bank it would catch so many more connections. It also offers a seamless connection from LHR, in direct competition with BA's new LGW flight to LIM.
By the way, the new airport in Chinchero is going to have a higher elevation (3700M) compared to the current CUZ (3300m). Although the runway will be 600m longer (4000 vs 3440m), I still wonder how aircraft performance will be affected.
I'm saying this because currently, AA's 757s struggle to make it to MIA from LPB (which is just a tad further and higher than the new CUZ will be), and have to stop at VVI (also for commercial reasons). However, the airport's concessionaire and Proinversión have announced that this new airfield will be MIA-capable. (Wonder if AA's A319s will make it by then).
RE: Avianca Launches Cuzco-Bogotá
| Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 9): I'm saying this because currently, AA's 757s struggle to make it to MIA from LPB (which is just a tad further and higher than the new CUZ will be), and have to stop at VVI (also for commercial reasons). However, the airport's concessionaire and Proinversión have announced that this new airfield will be MIA-capable. (Wonder if AA's A319s will make it by then). |
Didn't AA briefly operate MIA-CUZ-LIM-MIA with a 757 also?
RE: Avianca Launches Cuzco-Bogotá
Faucett used to operate MIA-CUZ using 707's years ago. So it has been done. PTY-CUZ should be well within the range of PTY, but I don't know how the altitude would affect 738's of CM. The distance can't be more than about a 4 hour flight time.
RE: Avianca Launches Cuzco-Bogotá
| Quoting OB1504 (Reply 10): Didn't AA briefly operate MIA-CUZ-LIM-MIA with a 757 also? |
They did, yes.
| Quoting superjeff (Reply 11): TY-CUZ should be well within the range of PTY, but I don't know how the altitude would affect 738's of CM. |
CM has 73Gs! How penalized can it leave CUZ if it can make it to SFO (almost twice as long a distance)...
Yet again, CM doesn't operate to LPB either, presumably for the same reason. What is this specification we're talking about that the 73Gs need in order to handle those high airports? DL's and UA's 73G's handle themselves pretty well from BOG to New York (1+ hour longer than the hypothetical flight). Even CM* flies MEX-BOG (4+ hour flight, so a slightly longer flight time) on one of those 73Gs, both high airports with limitations (2300 meters for MEX and 2600 for BOG).
Could it be that CM just doesn't see a commercial appeal for this route?
On another note, the 7:44 AM departure from BOG is not ideal for domestic connections. Only the main cities will be able to connect onto this flight. Yet again, the demand from secondary cities to Cusco direct has to me marginal at most.
RE: Avianca Launches Cuzco-Bogotá
| Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 12): On another note, the 7:44 AM departure from BOG is not ideal for domestic connections. Only the main cities will be able to connect onto this flight. Yet again, the demand from secondary cities to Cusco direct has to me marginal at most. |
It is very clear to me that the main connection to CUZ is going to be LHR. But JFK and MEX will provide significant feed to. Others will be GRU, GYE, UIO. Domestically it is only CLO and and MDE (both actually have not just one, but 2 flights that allow connection to CUZ). BGA, AXM, CUC, CTG and BAQ would make for very short tight connections,and are not offered,
Given that the loads on the LHR-BOG flight have bee non the poor side apart from the holiday travel seasons, connections to and from CUZ will be of much needed help.
RE: Avianca Launches Cuzco-Bogotá
Why 5 hours on the ground in CUZ?
EDIT: On second look it appears it's not a BOG originating flight, and the aircraft night stops in Bogota.
[Edited 2016-05-25 04:42:01]
EDIT: On second look it appears it's not a BOG originating flight, and the aircraft night stops in Bogota.
[Edited 2016-05-25 04:42:01]
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RE: Avianca Launches Cuzco-Bogotá
| Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 9): Anyhow, this is a very cool route. IMHO, CUZ is one of the most underserved airports regarding international ops in the world. Think of the amount of pax that go through LIM just to get to the inca capital! |
Very true, it seems whenever I meet a tourist headed to LIM they only plan on transfering to go to Machu Picchu
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RE: Avianca Launches Cuzco-Bogotá
| Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 12): CM has 73Gs! How penalized can it leave CUZ if it can make it to SFO (almost twice as long a distance)... |
The issue with CM not flying to CUZ or LPB isn't how much weight restricted the take-off would be but that none of CM aircraft has the very high altitude operation kit. CM just hasn't ordered any aircraft equipped with that.
| Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 12): Could it be that CM just doesn't see a commercial appeal for this route? |
Pretty sure they see it but CM isn't willing to have a sub-fleet of 1-2 CUZ and LPB capable B737.
| Quoting a320fan (Reply 14): Why 5 hours on the ground in CUZ? |
AV planning a tag-on to AQP or LPB?
I'm not on CM's payroll.
RE: Avianca Launches Cuzco-Bogotá
| Quoting a320fan (Reply 14): Why 5 hours on the ground in CUZ? |
| Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 16): AV planning a tag-on to AQP or LPB? |
It is a BOG-CUZ-LIM-CUZ-BOG rotation:
"Avianca from mid-July 2016 is expanding operations at Cuzco, Peru, as TACA Peru plans to introduce new International route. From 18JUL16, the airline will offer 3 weekly Bogota – Cuzco service, on board Airbus A319 aircraft.
AV145 BOG0744 – 1052CUZ 319 135
AV144 CUZ1601 – 1914BOG 319 135
In addition, the airline’s Cuzco – Lima service will also see frequency increase from 35 to 38 weekly from the same date.
AV842 CUZ1150 – 1315LIM 319 135
AV843 LIM1400 – 1525CUZ 319 135"
http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/...on-from-july-2016/?highlight=CUZCO
RE: Avianca Launches Cuzco-Bogotá
| Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 12): CM has 73Gs! How penalized can it leave CUZ if it can make it to SFO |
CM PTY-SFO is served with 738 instead.
Same with almost all their "long-haul" segments: CM PTY-EZE, CM PTY-LAX, CM PTY-EZE, CM PTY-MVD, CM PTY-GRU, CM PTY-GIG, CM PTY-POA and so on.
Regards.
"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
RE: Avianca Launches Cuzco-Bogotá
| Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 12): Yet again, CM doesn't operate to LPB either, presumably for the same reason. What is this specification we're talking about that the 73Gs need in order to handle those high airports? DL's and UA's 73G's handle themselves pretty well from BOG to New York (1+ hour longer than the hypothetical flight). Even CM* flies MEX-BOG (4+ hour flight, so a slightly longer flight time) on one of those 73Gs, both high airports with limitations (2300 meters for MEX and 2600 for BOG). |
CUZ is 3,300 meters, that is significant on its own, but I believe it is also in a valley (meaning further restrictions for engine-out climb gradient). Beyond that many aircraft have a max landing elevation, max flap extension, or max gear extension altitude which may interfere with CUZ ops.
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