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B727 Belly Containers?

Sun May 22, 2016 8:43 pm

While browsing through the gallery I stumbled on this picture. It's the first time I see such thing. Was it more common than it seems to me?


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RE: B727 Belly Containers?

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A lot of operators used them interchangeably between B707 and B727-200.


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RE: B727 Belly Containers?

Sun May 22, 2016 11:23 pm

Not very common, but a few 727 operators used containers. Apparently only the forward hold could accommodate containers. I seem to recall that ANA used them. Reply #19 in the following a.net thread from 2012 mentions that American, TWA and Western all used them:

ANA Wants The 737MAX To Carry Cargo Container (by rheinwaldner Mar 6 2012 in Civil Aviation)#1
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RE: B727 Belly Containers?

Sun May 22, 2016 11:26 pm

Yes they were popular with several operators in the 1970s, but largely gone the next decade. If I recall correctly, Western was the last major user.

While not interchangeable with their Boeing peers, some DC-8 operators also used containers. In the U.S, United used them to the very end with the DC-8-71 fleet.
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RE: B727 Belly Containers?

Sun May 22, 2016 11:38 pm

Eastern used belly containers for DC-9s also. In fact I remember sitting on. An Eastern DC-9 in ATL and watching them drop a baggage container off of the loader and on to the ground.
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RE: B727 Belly Containers?

Sun May 22, 2016 11:54 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 3):
Yes they were popular with several operators in the 1970s, but largely gone the next decade. If I recall correctly, Western was the last major user.

Was WA the last to use the containers? I remember seeing AA use containers through the 1980s for their 727-200's. UA used containers for their DC-8's, but they were totally different than those used on 727's and 707's.
 
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RE: B727 Belly Containers?

Sun May 22, 2016 11:55 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 3):

Yes they were popular with several operators in the 1970s, but largely gone the next decade.

IIRC, TWA got rid of them in the mid '80s.
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RE: B727 Belly Containers?

Mon May 23, 2016 3:11 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 3):
While not interchangeable with their Boeing peers, some DC-8 operators also used containers. In the U.S, United used them to the very end with the DC-8-71 fleet.

What DC-8 operators other than UA used them? I can only recall UA.

This video has footage showing the cargo containers being unloaded and loaded through the hatches in the bottom of the fuselage, front and rear, during an intermediate stop at ORD on a flight operating PHL-ORD-OAK.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVphgEVjsR4

That video was only 5 months before UA retired their last DC-8-71s in October 1991. If memory correct the last flight operated KOA-SFO on October 31, 1991. The -71s were almost all converted to freighters and spent many more years in service with a variety of cargo operators.

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RE: B727 Belly Containers?

Mon May 23, 2016 3:25 am

If my memory serves me correctly, they were called LD-W containers. We used to send a fair number on WA between ORD and points west when I worked for a forwarder there back in the 80's. I don't recall ever using them on any other carrier
 
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RE: B727 Belly Containers?

Mon May 23, 2016 9:14 am

I seem to recall that when you had only a few of them in the forward pit they would occasionally break loose and roll fore and aft as you climbed or descended. A little un nerving to the pax in 1st class.
 
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RE: B727 Belly Containers?

Mon May 23, 2016 10:10 am

I knew DC-8 had that option but I wasn't aware of other types. Why did airlines stop using them? Was it as a costs saving following deregulation?

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 7):

Very interesting video indeed. I can't believe it's already been 25 years since.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 7):
If memory correct the last flight operated KOA-SFO on October 31, 1991.

Should have but it didn't happen.

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Quoting BravoOne (Reply 9):
I seem to recall that when you had only a few of them in the forward pit they would occasionally break loose and roll fore and aft as you climbed or descended. A little un nerving to the pax in 1st class.

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RE: B727 Belly Containers?

Mon May 23, 2016 9:56 pm

I've heard of some operators using belly containers for the 757 as well. It's not common though, and I don't know if it's still happening.
 
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RE: B727 Belly Containers?

Tue May 24, 2016 10:12 am

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 11):
I've heard of some operators using belly containers for the 757 as well.

For the 757 I had heard of some sort of compartments but no containers.
 
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RE: B727 Belly Containers?

Tue May 24, 2016 6:54 pm

Quoting DL747400 (Reply 2):
Not very common, but a few 727 operators used containers. Apparently only the forward hold could accommodate containers. I seem to recall that ANA used them.

The rear bin could hold the containers as well. However, due to the slope of the fuselage they can only be inserted forward of the aft door. Some carriers like Ansett had an additional door on the aft end of the rear pit so they could bulk load the area behind the containers.
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Re: RE: B727 Belly Containers?

Thu Nov 24, 2016 1:35 pm

LAXintl wrote:
Yes they were popular with several operators in the 1970s, but largely gone the next decade. If I recall correctly, Western was the last major user.

While not interchangeable with their Boeing peers, some DC-8 operators also used containers. In the U.S, United used them to the very end with the DC-8-71 fleet.

at United we only Had one DC8 that had cargo doors nose Nbr 2471. all the rest used belly pods

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