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RE: Vietjet Orders 100 Boeing 737 MAX 200

Wed May 25, 2016 3:01 am

Quoting N328KF (Reply 97):
I just picked SGN at random. It's not the only airport in Vietnam.

Yes, I know. But as a hub and spoke aircraft that can serve all of Asia SGN is geographically well positioned.

I just assumed you were referring to this in your post.
 
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RE: Vietjet Orders 100 Boeing 737 MAX 200

Wed May 25, 2016 4:00 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 98):
3 inches probably from the aisle (20 down to 17) and then another three from the seats themselves (narrower armrests, I imagine).

And how wide would the A320 seat be, if you do the same? See, you cant talk about "comparable level of comfort" (same pitch assumed)...
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RE: Vietjet Orders 100 Boeing 737 MAX 200

Wed May 25, 2016 4:50 am

Quoting RickNRoll (Reply 24):
When they call it the max 200, do they really mean that is the max? I hope so.

Marketing spin. Should be the Max198.
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RE: Vietjet Orders 100 Boeing 737 MAX 200

Wed May 25, 2016 5:03 am

Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 99):
And the A320 isn't reliable, efficient and proven??

In the NEO version wit the PurePower engine not at all. And the 737NG is said to beat the A320CEO.
Imho the GTF hype is ending at the moment and with the LEAP the superior design of the 737 comes into play and makes the MAX 8 the superior plane to the A320.
 
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Wed May 25, 2016 5:08 am

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 84):
it is impossible to say what exactly motivated the move to also order the B737-MAX after they already bought a load of A320-neo's.

"US completely lifts ban on weapons sale to Vietnam, Barack Obama says"
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-2...sale-to-vietnam,obama-says/7438794

"Obama says will ensure freedom of navigation in South China Sea"
etc. from the past few days...
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RE: Vietjet Orders 100 Boeing 737 MAX 200

Wed May 25, 2016 5:24 am

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 102):

Quoting RickNRoll (Reply 24):
When they call it the max 200, do they really mean that is the max? I hope so.

Marketing spin. Should be the Max198.

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RE: Vietjet Orders 100 Boeing 737 MAX 200

Wed May 25, 2016 6:47 am

Quoting rheinwaldner (Reply 101):
And how wide would the A320 seat be, if you do the same? See, you cant talk about "comparable level of comfort" (same pitch assumed)...

But why assume the same pitch? Again, what would the single class pitch be for a 189 passenger 738 vs a 186 passenger A320?

Is there a carrier that is currently taking space out of the aisle in order to put 19" or whatever seats in A320's?

Isn't it really just the reality that the A320 at 18" is likely to stay, and Boeing is doing what they can to offer a similar seat width (some might say standard seat width) in the MAX?

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RE: Vietjet Orders 100 Boeing 737 MAX 200

Wed May 25, 2016 7:45 am

It is more likely that A320 seats could go as low as 16.5" to allow a wider aisle, so that pax can more easily squeeze past the dring cart or another pax. Especially for the 240 seat A321 some airlines will look into that option. 17" will be common.

[Edited 2016-05-25 00:47:57]
 
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RE: Vietjet Orders 100 Boeing 737 MAX 200

Wed May 25, 2016 8:27 am

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 106):
But why assume the same pitch?

Because we discuss the case of 200 vs 188. This is about two rows. So about the difference in cabin length.

There is no comparable comfort level between the two if you go like for like. No matter how much the Boeing fans put lipstick on the old barn. Thats the only point I want to make....

Quoting seahawk (Reply 107):

Why should 16.5" A320 seats be likely, while on the 737 everybody wants wider seats than that? If "squeezing past the dring cart or another pax" would be of importance, the 737 seats would shrink to 15.5" width.
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RE: Vietjet Orders 100 Boeing 737 MAX 200

Wed May 25, 2016 8:31 am

Quoting rheinwaldner (Reply 108):

Why should 16.5" A320 seats be likely, while on the 737 everybody wants wider seats than that? If "squeezing past the dring cart or another pax" would be of importance, the 737 seats would shrink to 15.5" width.

Because if you shrink the 737 to 16.5", it makes no practical difference, if you do it on the A320 you gain roughly 22.8 cm which means a normal person should be able to pass the cart and 2 persons will be able to pass each other. It something that will be interesting to get the boarding time of the 240 seat A321 down. Even if you just go to 17" you gain 15,24cm more wiggle room.

We can now bet if airlines will go for better comfort or faster turnarounds.



[Edited 2016-05-25 01:33:01]

[Edited 2016-05-25 01:33:20]

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RE: Vietjet Orders 100 Boeing 737 MAX 200

Wed May 25, 2016 10:15 am

Quoting seahawk (Reply 103):
And the 737NG is said to beat the A320CEO.
Imho the GTF hype is ending at the moment and with the LEAP the superior design of the 737 comes into play and makes the MAX 8 the superior plane to the A320.

That all might happen in a parallel universe, but not this one we are in.   To me this is all a lot of unsubstantiated wishful thinking at best. The market clearly sees things differently, and for good reasons.
 
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RE: Vietjet Orders 100 Boeing 737 MAX 200

Wed May 25, 2016 3:45 pm

Quoting rheinwaldner (Reply 108):

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 106):
But why assume the same pitch?

Because we discuss the case of 200 vs 188. This is about two rows. So about the difference in cabin length.

Well, I'm bouncing between two threads, but what I was intending to reply to initially was a comment concerning the A320 vs the 738, not the MAX 200. However, depending on who you believe (and we know who you would), Ryanair "may" be able to retain their 30" seats with the new 197 passenger layout. Airbus I believe cannot say that with the 188 seat variant.

Now, to be fair to you, you did include a judicious number of "about"'s in your statement, so plenty of wiggle room there.

Quoting rheinwaldner (Reply 108):
No matter how much the Boeing fans put lipstick on the old barn. Thats the only point I want to make....

Isn't that the ONLY point you ever want to make?

Quoting seahawk (Reply 107):

It is more likely that A320 seats could go as low as 16.5" to allow a wider aisle

I seriously doubt that will happen.

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RE: Vietjet Orders 100 Boeing 737 MAX 200

Wed May 25, 2016 4:01 pm

Quoting rheinwaldner (Reply 101):
And how wide would the A320 seat be, if you do the same? See, you cant talk about "comparable level of comfort" (same pitch assumed)...

Well if you want to engage in a perpetual game of one-upman-ship, consider how comfortable a 777 would be compared to an A330/A340 at 8-abreast each.




Airbus Aficionados constantly bang on in this forum how the passenger experience of the 737 sucks compared to the A320 because of one inch of seat width. Now that the 737 has the same seat width as the A320, it seems the Airbus Aficionados are now using aisle width as the new yardstick so they can continue to bang on how the 737 sucks.  


Of course, if Airbus operators went to 17" seats, they could add 6 inches to the aisle which should be enough to allow two people to pass by each other or someone to make it past a cart. But then the seats would "suck" as much as the 737.



Quoting seahawk (Reply 107):
It is more likely that A320 seats could go as low as 16.5" to allow a wider aisle, so that pax can more easily squeeze past the dring cart or another pax. Especially for the 240 seat A321 some airlines will look into that option. 17" will be common.



Just move to the 17" of the 737 and you'd have a 25 inch aisle.
 
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RE: Vietjet Orders 100 Boeing 737 MAX 200

Wed May 25, 2016 4:04 pm

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 111):
Well, I'm bouncing between two threads, but what I was intending to reply to initially was a comment concerning the A320 vs the 738, not the MAX 200.
Hong Kong Express To Put 188 Seats In A320neo (by KarelXWB May 24 2016 in Civil Aviation)

"

Quoting airbazar (Reply 2):
That's pretty standard for a single-class A320. U2 has 180 seats and AK has 190 seats. At least they're 18" wide seats. Could be far worse if it was on a 737.

"
That was the thread and comment that I was originally commenting on, but I think I got lost in the back and forth between the two threads.   Regardless, it wasn't the MAX 200 that I was trying to reference - more that "It's still better than on a 737 because at least the seat is wider" point. For some people - certainly not all - pitch is more important than width.

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RE: Vietjet Orders 100 Boeing 737 MAX 200

Wed May 25, 2016 4:08 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 112):
Of course, if Airbus operators went to 17" seats, they could add 6 inches to the aisle which should be enough to allow two people to pass by each other or someone to make it past a cart. But then the seats would "suck" as much as the 737.

Or, conversely, they could go to 18.5" or 19" with a reduced aisle or armrests, and make those of us who prefer the Ejet over either the A320 or 737 much, much happier.

However, I think the standard seems to be 18" so I'm sure carriers are happy to stay with that. Well, at least they were until WN started talking about that on their 737's.

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RE: Vietjet Orders 100 Boeing 737 MAX 200

Wed May 25, 2016 4:17 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 112):
Just move to the 17" of the 737 and you'd have a 25 inch aisle.

As said 17" is more likely and would probably be enough and I expect this to happen for the 240 seat A321.
 
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Wed May 25, 2016 4:22 pm

They simply ordered MAX's because of production capacity constraints, just like TK. Airbus alone cannot cater to global narrowbody demand.


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RE: Vietjet Orders 100 Boeing 737 MAX 200

Wed May 25, 2016 4:23 pm

Here is a statistic showing that less than 18" is not rare on a A320

http://airinsight.com/2012/06/26/coach-seating-and-comfort/

If you consider that 17" ist getting accepted for long haul, I would not bet on 16.5" for the A320 to not happen. If the turnaround is faster by 3 minutes, airlines will look at it.
 
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RE: Vietjet Orders 100 Boeing 737 MAX 200

Wed May 25, 2016 5:13 pm

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 94):
It's really not a big deal to me. I was just trying to understand the connection.

When an airline has been pretty much all Airbus and suddenly makes big Boeing purchases immediately after high profile state visits my presumption is that it is primarily political. The refusal to buy them before may have been political as well. And when an airline has been ordering NEOs and suddenly buys a boatload of MAXs after such a visit my BS detector goes nuts.
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RE: Vietjet Orders 100 Boeing 737 MAX 200

Wed May 25, 2016 6:32 pm

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 118):

FWIW, one can argue that both Airbus and Boeing orders have political overtones to it. When VietJet ordered the bumper 100 A320 order back in 2013, the agreement was signed in the presence of the French and Vietnamese PMs, at a time when France and Vietnam were celebrating 40 years of diplomatic ties.

http://vietnamnews.vn/economy/245450...etair-makes-huge-airbus-order.html

As I mentioned earlier, we can draw some parallels to Lion Air here. Of course the order sequence is in the reverse.
 
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RE: Vietjet Orders 100 Boeing 737 MAX 200

Wed May 25, 2016 10:05 pm

Quoting Erebus (Reply 119):
FWIW, one can argue that both Airbus and Boeing orders have political overtones to it.

Quite true.
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RE: Vietjet Orders 100 Boeing 737 MAX 200

Thu May 26, 2016 2:30 pm

Quoting seahawk (Reply 103):
And the 737NG is said to beat the A320CEO.

Not by SAS, who operates both.

Quoting seahawk (Reply 103):
the superior design of the 737

Superior how? (other than in terms of the way that it looks)

It should be noted that, generally speaking, I'm one of the 737's biggest fanboys.

Quoting seahawk (Reply 103):
the MAX 8 the superior plane to the A320.

The A320neo's order book suggests otherwise!

Quoting Erebus (Reply 119):
FWIW, one can argue that both Airbus and Boeing orders have political overtones to it.

A very good point.
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RE: Vietjet Orders 100 Boeing 737 MAX 200

Thu May 26, 2016 7:27 pm

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 118):
When an airline has been pretty much all Airbus and suddenly makes big Boeing purchases immediately after high profile state visits my presumption is that it is primarily political.

The purchase, or the timing?

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 118):
The refusal to buy them before may have been political as well.

When looked at through a politically motivated prizm, anything can be. I don't deny that happens all the time, though.

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 118):
And when an airline has been ordering NEOs and suddenly buys a boatload of MAXs after such a visit my BS detector goes nuts.

Or vice versa. Of course. The question is, is it that they don't want something but feel compelled to purchase it, or that they want something but are holding out for political timing?

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Fri May 27, 2016 9:49 pm

I think Norwegian, Transavia, TuiFly etc will also order the MAX 8-200 eventually - they'll have to, to be able to compete with FR and airlines flying A320/A321 with 186-240 seats.

The MAX 8-200 will become the biggest-selling MAX variant, mark my word...
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RE: Vietjet Orders 100 Boeing 737 MAX 200

Sat May 28, 2016 11:49 am

Quoting travelhound (Reply 76):
Wait and see. Vietnam has been the fastest growing ASEAN economy for quite a while now.

Eh, please can you back that one up with a source, because that's completely incorrect!
For several years now the Philippines has been holding that title. During three years 2012-2014 the Philippines posted the highest growth and Vietnam held the second (or third) spot. Only last year Vietnam claimed the first spot.

But already now during Q1 2016 the Philippines did not only recalim the spot as ASEAN's number one, but even outpaced the growth of China!
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RE: Vietjet Orders 100 Boeing 737 MAX 200

Sat May 28, 2016 1:59 pm

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 123):
I think Norwegian, Transavia, TuiFly etc will also order the MAX 8-200 eventually

I would hope that the AFKL group will do a single nextgen narrowbody order for the whole group, so that they can maximise commonality. Sortof what IAG seems to be doing, with IAG making the order and then aircraft being assigned to BA, IB, VY and EI as needed.
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RE: Vietjet Orders 100 Boeing 737 MAX 200

Sat May 28, 2016 3:10 pm

Ok so anyone who has been to SGN lately surely knows there is a huge problem with ramp/gate space, especially for the domestic flights.

I understand that there are plans for an entirely new airport but in a relatively short time something is going to have to be done at the existing facility to support all these jets. Does anyone know what the plans are? The one-way only taxiway from the main runway to the domestic remote gates causes enormous bottlenecks.
 
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Sat May 28, 2016 10:57 pm

Quoting cityairline (Reply 124):
For several years now the Philippines has been holding that title. During three years 2012-2014 the Philippines posted the highest growth and Vietnam held the second (or third) spot.

I can certainly believe that. Having spent 6 months in the Philippines a year ago (10/1/2014-4/6-2015), most of it in Manila, I saw more high-rise construction going on than I had in the rest of my life combined. There is nowhere you can go in Metro Manila where there are not high-rise buildings under construction visible, and in most places you can see them in every direction. Unfortunately, right now almost all of the economic growth is in or around Manila, but hopefully it will start to move into the other provinces. If the new President Duterte is serious about tackling corruption this may be only the beginning. I really hope so; I love the Philippines and the Philippine people.
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RE: Vietjet Orders 100 Boeing 737 MAX 200

Sat May 28, 2016 11:29 pm

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 118):
When an airline has been pretty much all Airbus and suddenly makes big Boeing purchases immediately after high profile state visits my presumption is that it is primarily political. The refusal to buy them before may have been political as well. And when an airline has been ordering NEOs and suddenly buys a boatload of MAXs after such a visit my BS detector goes nuts.

I don't want to throw a spanner into the works, but could this decision have something to do with the attributes of the MAX200? For short-haul flying this aircraft will probably end up with the highest revenue opportunity of all the narrow body variants offered by both OEM's. As such, maybe, just maybe they brought the aircraft because it will give them an economic advantage and as such it represents opportunity.

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 123):
I think Norwegian, Transavia, TuiFly etc will also order the MAX 8-200 eventually - they'll have to, to be able to compete with FR and airlines flying A320/A321 with 186-240 seats.

The MAX 8-200 will become the biggest-selling MAX variant, mark my word...

I agree with you. Once the MAX200 gets a few more sales airlines will be queuing at Boeing's door to buy the aircraft.

Quoting cityairline (Reply 124):
Eh, please can you back that one up with a source, because that's completely incorrect!

I worked in VN for a number of years. Back than (2013) it was being reported VN was the fastest growing economy in the ASEAN.
 
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RE: Vietjet Orders 100 Boeing 737 MAX 200

Sat May 28, 2016 11:34 pm

Quoting travelhound (Reply 128):
I don't want to throw a spanner into the works, but could this decision have something to do with the attributes of the MAX200?

If you want to cram as many passengers as possible in, wouldn't the A321NEO be even better?
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RE: Vietjet Orders 100 Boeing 737 MAX 200

Sun May 29, 2016 12:32 am

If you want an aircraft that can fly the most passengers on 500-1000nm (the heart of the NB market) the MAX200 would probably be more capable than the A321NEO.

The reason turn times for the A321NEO would be longer than for the MAX200.
 
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Sun May 29, 2016 12:57 am

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 129):
If you want to cram as many passengers as possible in, wouldn't the A321NEO be even better?

Well if you take that to its logical conclusion everyone would be flying A380  

I don't think people on here appreciate just how constrained SGN is, which would have to expand enormously to accommodate any Vietjet expansion. Unless they adopt a bypass-SGN strategy, which is plausible but would likely only last for so long.
 
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RE: Vietjet Orders 100 Boeing 737 MAX 200

Sun May 29, 2016 3:56 am

Quoting travelhound (Reply 128):
I agree with you. Once the MAX200 gets a few more sales airlines will be queuing at Boeing's door to buy the aircraft.

Aside from the extra seating, why would other airlines be holding back on ordering it vs a standard MAX 8 if they think the numbers are good?

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Sun May 29, 2016 4:00 am

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 123):
The MAX 8-200 will become the biggest-selling MAX variant, mark my word...

That I can agree with. It is a good plane for ULCCs. There is a large market. I admit larger than I envisioned at MAX 200 launch.

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RE: Vietjet Orders 100 Boeing 737 MAX 200

Sun May 29, 2016 8:18 am

Quoting lostsound (Reply 59):

Quoting seahawk (Reply 8):
Yes, a very important win for Boeing to get an Airbus exclusive operator to switch to the MAX. Seems like this will be a great year for the MAX and the gap in orders will close.

Jumping the gun. Imo the MAX won't ever drastically close the gap for almost all the airlines who could require this sized aircraft have already ordered them.

Airbus, and especially the NEO, has had a slow start this year with only 7 net orders for the NEO family.
But having followed the orders race for years now I think much will change for Airbus after this year's major airshow (Farnborough).
It "always" does .... like last year.
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RE: Vietjet Orders 100 Boeing 737 MAX 200

Sun May 29, 2016 2:27 pm

Quoting seahawk (Reply 80):
Surely the test results of the MAX will have played a part and convinced them to not order more Airbuses and go for the reliable, efficient and proven 737.

Surely delivery slot issues will be the much bigger subject for orders of this sort........?
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Quoting seahawk (Reply 80):
Well something must have changed, so that they did not order more A320s.

as above, when COULD they have gotten additional Airby Frames?? Guess they dont want to wait that long. I dont think it has anything to do at all with not wanting more busses,add a bit of goodwill politics and simple delivery slots to allow you to fullfill your expansion plans quickly will more likely be the causes.



Quoting EPA001 (Reply 84):
Which could be aggressive pricing by Boeing, some political deal or maybe just too long delivery times for the A320-neo?

Exactly!



Quoting SEPilot (Reply 118):
When an airline has been pretty much all Airbus and suddenly makes big Boeing purchases immediately after high profile state visits my presumption is that it is primarily political. The refusal to buy them before may have been political as well. And when an airline has been ordering NEOs and suddenly buys a boatload of MAXs after such a visit my BS detector goes nuts.

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RE: Vietjet Orders 100 Boeing 737 MAX 200

Sun May 29, 2016 3:13 pm

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 90):
, and was unable to utilize the GTF (which I believe has much more potential than the LEAP-X).

Yeah the GTF has more potential than the LEAP-X.......to not work correctly!!!  

I don't know about you, but I have the utmost confidence that the LEAP-X is a great design and will have a great future ahead of it, considering GE/CFM's lead in materials technology.

And I'm not writing the 737MAX off, at all. I think Boeing has done a tremendous job taking a design of its vintage and it is still competitive with newer competition.
 
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RE: Vietjet Orders 100 Boeing 737 MAX 200

Mon May 30, 2016 8:19 am

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 71):
Quoting N14AZ (Reply 45):I am currently in Hanoi and had a beer at the bar of my hotel. Suddenly a group of bodyguards appeared and US Secretary of States John Kerry took a seat next to me
I've met Mr. Kerry in a Georgetown Restaurant years & years ago, he is a nice man to have a casual & brief conversation with. Good thing spotters don't look threatening. LOL!

Yes, he seemed to be a true Gentleman. He even nodded to us before sitting down...

Quoting YLWbased (Reply 49):
Confirmed and on-going Aviation Related project in Vietnam:

1. Nha Trang Airport (CXR) Expansion - 2nd runway and a new terminal.
2. Hai Phong Airport Expansion - New International Terminal (Completed this month)
3. Cam Ranh Airport Expansion - New International Terminal (due: Dec, 2017)
4. Long Thanh International Airport (New HCMC International Airport) (due: 2023)
5. Haiphong Airport - Terminal Expansion (Completed this month)
6. [Planning Stage] New Lao Cai/Sapa International Airport (expect project start end of this year)
7. [Planning Stage] New Lai Chau Airport (Government funding approved)
8. [Planning Stage] New Son La Airport (Government funding approved)
9. Quang Ninh Ha Long Hay International Airport (due: Dec, 2017)
10. ATC Upgrade: New North-South Air Corridor (due: 2017)
11. DaNang International Airport Expansion - New International Terminal (due: Nov 2017)

Interesting list. I have a question regarging no. 8, new Son La Airport because....

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 45):
Just had to drive back for 8 hours from one of the provinces due to the lack of a decent domestic flight.

It's very hard to travel to Son La. On my way to Son La I flew to Dien Bien Phu and then three hours to Son La. Back to Hanoi I used the car, one entire working day just for travelling, phewww. That's why I am asking: why don't they use the existing airport anymore? Some years ago there were flights from/to Hanoi but I guess services ended because of commercial reasons /lack of demand. Or are there any technical reasons? Why do they intend to build a new airport?

Quoting travelhound (Reply 76):
Quoting N14AZ (Reply 45):Off-topic: I am currently in Hanoi and had a beer at the bar of my hotel. Suddenly a group of bodyguards appeared and US Secretary of States John Kerry took a seat next to me (one of the bodyguards screened me with his eyes, seems as if former planespotters do not look like terrorists...)
How is the new Hanoi airport. They were almost complete when I was last there.

Hmm, it's OK, I would say. The design is very simplistic, nothing special, just an ordinary terminal.
 
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RE: Vietjet Orders 100 Boeing 737 MAX 200

Mon May 30, 2016 2:31 pm

Quoting neutronstar73 (Reply 136):
Yeah the GTF has more potential than the LEAP-X.......to not work correctly!!!  

I don't know about you, but I have the utmost confidence that the LEAP-X is a great design and will have a great future ahead of it, considering GE/CFM's lead in materials technology.

With the risk of turning this into a pissing contest, the GTF does exactly what is was designed for: flying passengers from A to B with a 15% lower fuel print.

The hardware issue that could cause the engine shaft to bend is unfortunate and should have been discovered much earlier.

The software issues however are pretty much common for new engines. Each airline is different and Entry Into Service of a new engine or airplane requires debugging. And I'm willing to bet the CFM engine will require some debugging too. This is just how it is.

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RE: Vietjet Orders 100 Boeing 737 MAX 200

Mon May 30, 2016 10:05 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 138):
Each airline is different and Entry Into Service of a new engine or airplane requires debugging. And I'm willing to bet the CFM engine will require some debugging too. This is just how it is.

Quite right. And even GE is not out of the woods yet with their GEnx debugging.
 
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RE: Vietjet Orders 100 Boeing 737 MAX 200

Tue May 31, 2016 10:34 am

Some comments by John Leahy addressing this order:

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"Boeing scored a major victory over Airbus with a recent Vietjet order for 100 737 MAX jets. Leahy conceded he was "disappointed" by the decision but downplayed the case. Vietjet, he said, has made clear to Airbus that it will not replace its Airbus fleet with the Boeing aircraft. The carrier also has the right to lease out the MAX aircraft should it chose not to operate them."

From: http://aviationweek.com/commercial-a...2=45345b749e464777ac8ab3c86a216772
 
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RE: Vietjet Orders 100 Boeing 737 MAX 200

Tue May 31, 2016 2:41 pm

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 140):
Some comments by John Leahy addressing this order:

Doesn't every airline have the right to lease out the aircraft they purchase? Or do OEMs slap on contractual clauses prohibiting this?
 
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RE: Vietjet Orders 100 Boeing 737 MAX 200

Tue May 31, 2016 11:37 pm

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 141):
Doesn't every airline have the right to lease out the aircraft they purchase? Or do OEMs slap on contractual clauses prohibiting this?

IIRC there was an issue with a large LCC ??Ryanair or easyjet once where they were selling off new planes for a profit which they had gotten at highly discounted prices and the OEMs started restrictions on heavily discounted contracts after that.

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