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Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:02 pm

Looks fantastic! Can't wait to see it taking off.
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Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:09 pm

AirPacific747 wrote:
The design is too "busy" on the A350 and the winglets look so dated compared to the raked wingtips on the Boeing fleet.

I much prefer the 777.


The design is too "busy" on the Bounty paper towl cardboard tube and the wrap looks so dated compared to the swirled wrap on the Scott paper towl cardboard tube.

I much prefer the other paper towl cardboard tube.

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Fri Jul 29, 2016 10:50 pm

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The joke is all new planes look the exact same and airliners are boring as fook now.


Thank you, Captain Obvious.

And I agree that airliners are very boring these days compared to 20-30 years ago. However they don't look completely the same though. I think the A350 has too much going on. It's like a youngster pimping his average car to an extent where it just becomes ridiculous.

Whereas the 777 has much cleaner lines and no childish winglets.
 
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Fri Jul 29, 2016 11:01 pm

I think it looks fantastic, nicely proportioned for a stretch and the addition of engines will only improve that further.

I hated the A350 nose at first but I've grown to really like, it's very unique and looks different from every angle. Same goes for the winglets, they almost appear to change shape depending on how you look at them. Only thing that disappoints me about the overall look of the A350 is the lack of wing flex and the forward tilting gear, lacks the grace of the A330 on landing.

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Fri Jul 29, 2016 11:05 pm

I must admit, in engines free mode, it reminds me of a giant, super max neo De Havilland Comet Mk 204 ! 8-)
 
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Sat Jul 30, 2016 12:41 am

AirPacific747 wrote:
I think the A350 has too much going on. It's like a youngster pimping his average car to an extent where it just becomes ridiculous.

Whereas the 777 has much cleaner lines and no childish winglets.


I don't understand where you're getting this from. The design itself is super sleek. The blended winglets have a function. Every single nut and bolt on the airplane has a function. Everything that is not needed has been removed. Which design do you think is the most efficient? The design of the 20 year old 777 with it's 30 year old 767 nose section, or the brand new, cutting edge A350 with the childish winglets?

I'm not arguing personal taste. It's subjective and varies. But when you're calling design elements childish, and mentioning a pimped out car as an example.. then you're so far off the mark it's ridiculus. Nothing on this aircraft is unnecessary. Maybe except painting the window frames raccoon style.

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Sat Jul 30, 2016 1:35 am

AirPacific747 wrote:
BiggerJetsPlz wrote:


The joke is all new planes look the exact same and airliners are boring as fook now.


Thank you, Captain Obvious.

And I agree that airliners are very boring these days compared to 20-30 years ago. However they don't look completely the same though. I think the A350 has too much going on. It's like a youngster pimping his average car to an extent where it just becomes ridiculous.

Whereas the 777 has much cleaner lines and no childish winglets.


This is funny! It looks no more or less the same as the 777-300ER when we talk about lines. Or any other airliner produced in the last decade. The A350 doesn't have winglets in the sense of the A320neo or the 737NG or the A330 etc. It's a half winglet half rake wingtip. :roll: Each to his or her own but you did put your thoughts in both A350 threads so not sure if you really are trying to put it down everyone's throats.

Aircraft looks nice and can put in some perspective any potential A350-1100 will look like. And all aircraft while boring today shows the evolution of efficiency in overall design and streamlining the wings and nose that was not commonplace previously.
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Re: PIC: First A350-1000 Pushes Back Out Of Hangar

Sat Jul 30, 2016 2:18 am

shamrock350 wrote:
it's very unique and looks different from every angle. Same goes for the winglets, they almost appear to change shape depending on how you look at them.


Completely agree!
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Sat Jul 30, 2016 3:46 am

Which sits higher off the ground, 777 or A350?
 
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Sat Jul 30, 2016 3:51 am

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Wow it looks absolutely stunning! I don't think it looks too long.. it's very proportional. This will definately compete with the A340-500, 747-8i and Concorde as the best looking airliner.


I wish I could agree. The A340-500 was always stunning to be sure, but I've never been a Concorde fanboy and the -8i just seemed a bit awkward though still attractive. To me, the A350-900 just has better proportions. Having said that, I think this will be one amazing bird.
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Sat Jul 30, 2016 5:36 am

AirPacific747 wrote:
Whereas the 777 has much cleaner lines and no childish winglets.


If you think winglets are childish, wait 'til you see a 777 with folding wingtips... ;)

Now, is it me or has most of the extra length been added forward of the wing? It almost seems as if the rear fuselage section is identical to the -900. I can't seem to find the diagram of where the fuselage plugs were added on the -1000.
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Sat Jul 30, 2016 5:59 am

Ok sorry for derailing the thread. I've read people's replies but I won't comment on them in order to keep the thread on track.

Apologies if my comments provoked some people.
 
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Sat Jul 30, 2016 6:04 am

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Now, is it me or has most of the extra length been added forward of the wing? It almost seems as if the rear fuselage section is identical to the -900. I can't seem to find the diagram of where the fuselage plugs were added on the -1000.


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Sat Jul 30, 2016 6:09 am

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Especially the rear section doesn't look too long.


Looks like enough room to put another 0 on the fuselage if they make it a bit longer
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Sat Jul 30, 2016 7:20 am

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The design is too "busy" on the A350 and the winglets look so dated compared to the raked wingtips on the Boeing fleet.

I much prefer the 777.

Whatever floats your boat.

Though in airframer circles functionality and efficiency is what counts. not looks.
Better topic educated people used to see beauty in functionality. But Hollywood turned that upside down.
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Sat Jul 30, 2016 10:06 am

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I can't seem to find the diagram of where the fuselage plugs were added on the -1000.


Did you mean the following diagram?:

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Sat Jul 30, 2016 10:39 am

Have we ever seen confirmation that the increased use of Carbon Fibre (Door Structures, Fuselage frames, Bilge Area and Upper Spar) as mentioned above are to be reverse integrated into the -900?

I think I read somewhere that the weight savings on the door surrounds are quite impressive.
 
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Sat Jul 30, 2016 10:55 am

Looking at the A350-1000, I can not really conceive a possible future extension for a A350-1100. This airplane already looks stunning!!!
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Sat Jul 30, 2016 10:56 am

Beautiful airplane! Can't wait to see her in the air.

I think it is a well balanced plane, except for the tail section, the tail looks propotional small to me.

"The design is too "busy" on the A350 and the winglets look so dated compared to the raked wingtips on the Boeing fleet.

I much prefer the 777."

Ecstatically I dislike the 777 because of the strange "forehead", trying to fuse the 767 cockpit width with the 777 fuselage diameter. But beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
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Sat Jul 30, 2016 5:10 pm

I'm a Boeing fanboy but IMHO, the A359 & A35J are the most attractive jets
Airbus have ever produced.

Can't wait to see the 35J in British Airways livery :)
 
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Sat Jul 30, 2016 9:00 pm

Dutchy wrote:
"The design is too "busy" on the A350 and the winglets look so dated compared to the raked wingtips on the Boeing fleet.

I much prefer the 777."


Ecstatically I dislike the 777 because of the strange "forehead", trying to fuse the 767 cockpit width with the 777 fuselage diameter. But beauty is in the eye of the beholder.


Well, quote our friend Wiederling:

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Though in airframer circles functionality and efficiency is what counts. not looks.


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Sat Jul 30, 2016 10:35 pm

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PlanesNTrains wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
"The design is too "busy" on the A350 and the winglets look so dated compared to the raked wingtips on the Boeing fleet.

I much prefer the 777."


Ecstatically I dislike the 777 because of the strange "forehead", trying to fuse the 767 cockpit width with the 777 fuselage diameter. But beauty is in the eye of the beholder.


Well, quote our friend Wiederling:

WIederling wrote:
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Though in airframer circles functionality and efficiency is what counts. not looks.


:-)

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Sun Jul 31, 2016 12:17 am

I always found the A350 prettier in any airline livery than the Airbus house colours. BA will definitely look stunning.
 
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Sun Jul 31, 2016 1:01 am

Can't wait to see the engines on it. Gorgeous.

Not a 777...no raked wingtips. Good work on the dopiest post this week lol.
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Sun Jul 31, 2016 1:19 am

I much prefer the A350 than the B777 but it certainly is very subjective :)
 
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Sun Jul 31, 2016 4:24 am

seabosdca wrote:
Quoting DL747400 (Reply 51):Especially that nose!
The nose of the A350 is a bit homely, but the aircraft makes up for it with those beautiful wings. New-generation widebodies (A350, 787, and judging by the renderings 777X) have the prettiest wings of any airliners ever built.


Agree, the wings look good. Airbus and their nose designs though, with the Beluga and the Whale with their giant foreheads. Impressive and good looking aircraft otherwise.

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Then the A-350 nose looks good from certain angles but looks blunt and a bit steep in profile, but seems not as good looking or streamlined like the 787,

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Sun Jul 31, 2016 4:41 am

This airplane is beautiful and well proportioned, although I suspect a further stretch will be aesthetically problematic. I do expect a simple added stretch will be done in time; more capacity at the expense of some range but I don't expect any wing changes for that variant. I like it slightly more than the 777-9 which is also very pleasing to the eye but a bit dated in comparison. The -1000 will own the plum 350 seat market for the forseeable future since Boeing had to grow the 777 for it to remain competitive at all. Airbus's only headache is that some of the A350-1000's market success is coming at the expense of the A380 and as the A350 gets ever more capable, more of the A380's potential sales are being lost.
 
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Sun Jul 31, 2016 9:48 am

CALTECH wrote:
Then the A-350 nose looks good from certain angles but looks blunt and a bit steep in profile, but seems not as good looking or streamlined like the 787.


My guess would be that there is more aero and less pandering to beauty perceptions in the A350 design than in the 787.
( this also echoes into the reliabilty and spares situation : you heard early on much more 787 windscreen issues than today about A350 glazing. Limited lifetime of cockpit glazing seems to be a special Boeing issue anyway? )

Surprising that so many find the cheaply glued on 767 "microcephalic" nose/cockpit section on the 777 aesthetically pleasing.
reflects on tastes more linked to "our" than anything else, imho. :-)
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Sun Jul 31, 2016 10:04 am

zeke wrote:
Added 7 frames in-front of the wing and 4 frames behind the wing.

KarelXWB wrote:
Did you mean the following diagram?:


Thanks to both. So 11 frames total.

I am going to go with KarelXWB's figures, however, as I believe I counted 5 more windows than on the -900 in the aft section.

It really looks (to me) like they added a lot more to the front than the rear, but I guess it's an optical thing.
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Sun Jul 31, 2016 10:28 am

IMHO an A350-1100 will look well proportioned. Might look even better with bigger diameter engines
( XWB 97 with longer composite blades, or Ultrafan engines perhaps? ). Not even sure if the standard
97,000 lbs thrust will be enough for a `1100 version, if so just put a bigger cowl over it :)
 
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Tedd wrote:
IMHO an A350-1100 will look well proportioned. Might look even better with bigger diameter engines
( XWB 97 with longer composite blades, or Ultrafan engines perhaps? ). Not even sure if the standard
97,000 lbs thrust will be enough for a `1100 version, if so just put a bigger cowl over it :)

With respect, I think once Airbus lengthens that fuselage further, they've a bird somewhat analogous to the A340-600 which many of us in here felt was a stretch too far, aesthetically. I think the -1000 model is the sweet spot, not only from a marketing perspective but from an eye pleasing one as well.
 
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Sun Jul 31, 2016 12:19 pm

Had my first close up look at a 787 nose the other day. My opinion only but yuk!
 
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Sun Jul 31, 2016 1:40 pm

The 787 nose looks a bit cleaner with all the probes further back compared to the A350. But what makes it unappealing for me is the very distinct outline of the large radome and its downward tilt giving it the appearance of a large droopy nose. The A350 nose is pointier.

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Sun Jul 31, 2016 1:46 pm

To my eye, the A350-1000 just doesn't look like a widebody, more like a 757-500. I'm guessing it's the fuse diameter to length ratio?? The 77W, despite being quite long still looks like a real widebody. I suppose the 787-10 will perhaps give the same impression once it rolls out the factory door. :-)
 
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flyabr wrote:
To my eye, the A350-1000 just doesn't look like a widebody, more like a 757-500.


This photo should put some things into perspective:

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AvObserver wrote:
Tedd wrote:
IMHO an A350-1100 will look well proportioned. Might look even better with bigger diameter engines
( XWB 97 with longer composite blades, or Ultrafan engines perhaps? ). Not even sure if the standard
97,000 lbs thrust will be enough for a `1100 version, if so just put a bigger cowl over it :)

With respect, I think once Airbus lengthens that fuselage further, they've a bird somewhat analogous to the A340-600 which many of us in here felt was a stretch too far, aesthetically. I think the -1000 model is the sweet spot, not only from a marketing perspective but from an eye pleasing one as well.



I`ve always liked the A340-600! This was reinforced when I saw a Virgin 600 takeoff from Heathrow a few weeks back.
Mind you, I also watched a Singapore A380 leave, & thought & what a beauty.....perhaps I`m aesthetically challenged
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I'm a Boeing fanboy but IMHO, the A359 & A35J are the most attractive jets
Airbus have ever produced.

Can't wait to see the 35J in British Airways livery :)


I'll echo your sentiments. I think the A350-1000 looks great now, but will look even better in different liveries, such as BA's.

I think Airbus's in-house livery could use a refresh. The lettering seems so 1970s to me. It's time to move forward.
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Sun Jul 31, 2016 5:46 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
flyabr wrote:
To my eye, the A350-1000 just doesn't look like a widebody, more like a 757-500.

This photo should put some things into perspective:
Suddenly the 757 is a tiny airplane.


It sure does! :D
 
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Revelation wrote:
Sooner787 wrote:
I'm a Boeing fanboy but IMHO, the A359 & A35J are the most attractive jets
Airbus have ever produced.

Can't wait to see the 35J in British Airways livery :)


I'll echo your sentiments. I think the A350-1000 looks great now, but will look even better in different liveries, such as BA's.

I think Airbus's in-house livery could use a refresh. The lettering seems so 1970s to me. It's time to move forward.


I honestly think it looks like the best wide-body twin to date. For me the proportions are much better than the -900. I totally agree that it will look much better in the various airline liveries: BA, EY, CX, etc. Any chance we might see the -1000 in Singapore's classic livery? I would love to see them upgrade some of their -900 orders, surely it would be best suited to replace the 777-300 and -300ERs?
 
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Sun Jul 31, 2016 6:02 pm

Cockpit windows on the A350 are proportionally larger than on the 777 ( enhanced by the racoon mask. )
Similar impression imho with the 787.
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Sun Jul 31, 2016 6:04 pm

Looking pretty good, nice to see another aircraft with the triple bogey design. Hopefully the A359 smooths over some kinks and its big brother can have a smoother EIS.
 
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Mon Aug 01, 2016 8:17 am

gatibosgru wrote:

I really like the second picture taken from behind. It shows the tremendeous length of the -1000.
(sorry, both pics have been posted together, I didn't manage to show the second picture with the first one showing the tail section and the winglet)
 
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Mon Aug 01, 2016 8:45 am

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I think it looks fantastic, nicely proportioned for a stretch and the addition of engines will only improve that further.

I hated the A350 nose at first but I've grown to really like, it's very unique and looks different from every angle. Same goes for the winglets, they almost appear to change shape depending on how you look at them. Only thing that disappoints me about the overall look of the A350 is the lack of wing flex and the forward tilting gear, lacks the grace of the A330 on landing.

Look forward to seeing this one fly!

Exactly my thoughts. I haven't seen the A350 in real yet, but in the SQ, CX, TG liveries it looks far better than in Airbus house colors. I think the proportions of the A359 is perfect, but the A35K is not the two-engine A346 I feared. Looking forward to seeing CX' A350-1000 at AMS!
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Mon Aug 01, 2016 9:54 am

It is going to be interesting to see the 779 when it rolls out, whether the proportions will look right or it will fall into the A346 looks department. I love the A346, but it is one long aircraft.
 
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Mon Aug 01, 2016 10:11 am

I have some beef with the nose of the A350 ever since they changed it years ago. It is actually a very small detail that bothers me. If you look at it from a certain angle from behind it is a perfect curve:

http://www.airbus.com/fileadmin/media_g ... op-020.jpg

(You might have to zoom in on the nose)

It's the dent at the center cockpit windows and below them that screw up the looks IMHO. For better pilot views and probably weight and production simplicity the center windows are steeper and less curved horizontally. Therefore smaller.
It is no Comet or 787 with their perfect nose, unfortunately. But no 777 either.
 
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Mon Aug 01, 2016 10:16 am

If you look closely at the 787 nose it has a dent too.

But no 777 either.


That would be impossible. The 787/A350 noses are a completely different generation than the A330/777 style noses.
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Re: PIC: First A350-1000 Pushes Back Out Of Hangar

Mon Aug 01, 2016 10:25 am

With the -1000 I can't really work out whether it has another stretch in it or not. I can be positive one way and the other within the same day!

I thought the comparison of the two QR aircraft was interesting, I think Boeing got the better nose (not great, but better than the A350) and the better tail, and I like the curve of the trailing edge on the 787 (I live in the Cotswolds and get to see most of my airliners from beneath...). But the 787 stays too "barrel-like" (for obvious reasons) for too long. The rear section doesn't taper gracefully at all, it gives me a sense of "how quickly can we finish this shape now that the fuselage sections are done". It's not sculptural like many other designs tend to be. I think the effect gets worse the longer the plane gets, The A350 has a similar sense about it.

I think my favourite A350 is probably the A330(!). Once that is NEO'd I think it will look stunning with the winglets finally matching the grace of the rest of the airframe. The early renderings of the A330 neo were the first ones I've ever seen that made me think "ohh, that's nice". Where Airbus scores, for me at least, is cabin noise, 330 & 340 (300 and 600) are nice quiet and smooth rides, a bit "floaty". The BA 777s I've been on always feel fidgety and noisy in comparison. It'll be a long time before I get to ride in an A350 but I'm pretty sure I'd like it, even in "steerage".
 
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Re: PIC: First A350-1000 Pushes Back Out Of Hangar

Mon Aug 01, 2016 10:27 am

mat66 wrote:
It is no Comet or 787 with their perfect nose, unfortunately. But no 777 either.


Don't forget the lovely Caravelle!

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