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PIC: First A350-1000 Pushes Back Out Of Hangar

Tue May 24, 2016 12:53 am

Thought I'd post it here, for those who haven't been digging through the whole long production thread, and might've missed it.

https://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=67110

Love the triple bogie-truck assembly.... tres 777ique.  
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Tue May 24, 2016 1:11 am

that is one LOOOONNNNNGGGGG bird... I always loved the 346 for looking like that, over/under on the first tail strike?

either way, impressive and can't wait to see a finished version.
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RE: PIC: First A350-1000 Pushes Back Out Of Hangar

Tue May 24, 2016 1:12 am

It appears to be lacking the winglet-swept wingtip hybrids that the A359 has ... instead it seems to have plain swept wingtips.

Am I missing something?
 
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Tue May 24, 2016 1:14 am

Quoting BreninTW (Reply 2):
It appears to be lacking the winglet-swept wingtip hybrids that the A359 has ... instead it seems to have plain swept wingtips.

Am I missing something?

May not be fitted yet
 
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Tue May 24, 2016 1:40 am

I laughed. I thought of a 757 - "500" when i saw how long it is.
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Tue May 24, 2016 1:51 am

Quoting VS4ever (Reply 1):
I always loved the 346 for looking like that, over/under on the first tail strike?

Wait till they do the rumored A350-1100/A350-8000 or whatever the stretch might be called.

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RE: PIC: First A350-1000 Pushes Back Out Of Hangar

Tue May 24, 2016 2:03 am

Quoting dc10lover (Reply 4):
I laughed. I thought of a 757 - "500" when i saw how long it is.

Does look like a NB in that pic. I prefer the proportions of the 77W.  
 
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Tue May 24, 2016 2:12 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Thread starter):
Love the triple bogie-truck assembly.... tres 777ique.  

Copycats. 
Quoting VS4ever (Reply 1):
that is one LOOOONNNNNGGGGG bird... I always loved the 346 for looking like that, over/under on the first tail strike?


It is basically the same length as the B77W so while its slightly thinner, it will probably look fantastic once its finished and the engines are hung on.
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RE: PIC: First A350-1000 Pushes Back Out Of Hangar

Tue May 24, 2016 2:20 am

It was scheduled to move to Station 18 today (May 24th). Don't know if its still happening.
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Tue May 24, 2016 2:30 am

Quoting VS4ever (Reply 1):
that is one LOOOONNNNNGGGGG bird

   If the A380 is called "the Whale".... this one's gonna be "the Flying Phallus"     
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Tue May 24, 2016 2:35 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 9):
If the A380 is called "the Whale".... this one's gonna be "the Flying Phallus"

I like that!
 
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Tue May 24, 2016 2:41 am

Quoting VS4ever (Reply 1):
over/under on the first tail strike?

I say flight testing.
 
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Tue May 24, 2016 3:09 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Thread starter):
Thought I'd post it here, for those who haven't been digging through the whole long production thread

So that's where it was...I'd been looking everywhere for that photo. Thanks.

Quoting VS4ever (Reply 1):
I always loved the 346 for looking like that

   Yup, it's my favorite airliner to see and fly.


Quoting trex8 (Reply 3):
Quoting BreninTW (Reply 2):
It appears to be lacking the winglet-swept wingtip hybrids that the A359 has ... instead it seems to have plain swept wingtips.

Am I missing something?

May not be fitted yet

This photo only shows the port wingtip and it does look like something off a B-77W. I can't believe Airbus would build an entire wing then leave off the last 8' or so.
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RE: PIC: First A350-1000 Pushes Back Out Of Hangar

Tue May 24, 2016 3:29 am

Quoting trex8 (Reply 3):
May not be fitted yet

  

Compare this picture with any picture of the full A350-900 wing. This picture shows the wing without the winglet in place. The A350 wing structure curls up just a bit before the winglet join.
 
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RE: PIC: First A350-1000 Pushes Back Out Of Hangar

Tue May 24, 2016 3:35 am

It's not all that different compared to a 77W length - that's just the distortion side effect of using an ultra wide angle lens.
 
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RE: PIC: First A350-1000 Pushes Back Out Of Hangar

Tue May 24, 2016 3:43 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Thread starter):
PIC: First A350-1000 Pushes Back Out Of Hangar

For a second I was hoping for a power-back   
 
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RE: PIC: First A350-1000 Pushes Back Out Of Hangar

Tue May 24, 2016 4:08 am

Quoting Caryjack (Reply 12):
I can't believe Airbus would build an entire wing then leave off the last 8' or so.

That's how they ARE built...



Quoting a380787 (Reply 14):
that's just the distortion side effect of using an ultra wide angle lens.

Well, that and a narrower fuselage.
If you weren't careful, you'd think you were looking at a 757MAX with triple bogie.   



Quoting vatveng (Reply 15):
For a second I was hoping for a power-back

Would love to see a (low) wing-mounted powerback, by a commercial aircraft.
I wish there was a video of such, somewhere. Anyone?
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RE: PIC: First A350-1000 Pushes Back Out Of Hangar

Tue May 24, 2016 4:17 am

Quoting dc10lover (Reply 4):
Wait till they do the rumored A350-1100/A350-8000 or whatever the stretch might be called.

-Dave

OMG. With the same taxiways we know?. Or will they put some sort of an "articulated fuselage or something?" Let me run to patent this idea   
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RE: PIC: First A350-1000 Pushes Back Out Of Hangar

Tue May 24, 2016 4:40 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Thread starter):

It is basically the same length as the B77W so while its slightly thinner, it will probably look fantastic once its finished and the engines are hung on.

What a beauty! Cannot wait to see her flying gracefully all over the world. I also like the idea that she may be exremely popular with pax. A bit unfortunate though for pax, because the 777 might continue to be popular with bean counters, you know why: because of the potential "sardinalisation of pax"

BTW. I can see all the elements of Karma in the horizon. With my complete amateur knowledge of aircraft, Why are A350s called XWB if they are "thinner" I am afraid in the near future we shall witness the same stick A fanboys on Anet use to thrash the B737s miniscule fuselage width difference to the 320s turned to this Aircraft.
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Tue May 24, 2016 4:49 am

Quoting alyusuph (Reply 18):
BTW. I can see all the elements of Karma in the horizon. With my complete amateur knowledge of aircraft, Why are A350s called XWB if they are "thinner" I am afraid in the near future we shall witness the same stick A fanboys on Anet use to thrash the B737s miniscule fuselage width difference to the 320s turned to this Aircraft.

The bigger problem will be the -1100, it is going to suffer similar setbacks as the A346 did. 70m+ really needs a 777 fuselage or wider.
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RE: PIC: First A350-1000 Pushes Back Out Of Hangar

Tue May 24, 2016 5:31 am

Quoting alyusuph (Reply 18):
because the 777 might continue to be popular with bean counters, you know why: because of the potential "sardinalisation of pax"

   The A350 is a very comfortable aircraft... so much so that Boeing is going to considerable expense to allow for equally wide seats in the 77X.
 
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RE: PIC: First A350-1000 Pushes Back Out Of Hangar

Tue May 24, 2016 6:27 am

Ok ... this event, or at least the picture, is ancient.
 
It happen more than one week ago.
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/picture-a350-1000-on-track-for-first-flight-this-ye-425418/
 
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RE: PIC: First A350-1000 Pushes Back Out Of Hangar

Tue May 24, 2016 6:34 am

Quoting VS4ever (Reply 1):


that is one LOOOONNNNNGGGGG bird... I always loved the 346 for looking like that, over/under on the first tail strike?

Once in the air it will look just like a dc8-63  
 
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Tue May 24, 2016 6:35 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Thread starter):
tres 777ique.

Hahaha, no it´s very Tu154-ique, mon ami 
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RE: PIC: First A350-1000 Pushes Back Out Of Hangar

Tue May 24, 2016 6:40 am

So ugly. No alternative to the beautiful Boeings when it comes to looks.
 
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RE: PIC: First A350-1000 Pushes Back Out Of Hangar

Tue May 24, 2016 6:44 am

Quoting seahawk (Reply 24):

I agree. The A350s proportions are odd. It's hard to pinpoint what it is though. But I saw the a350-900 and that one also looks too short, so this one might look slightly better balanced.
 
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Tue May 24, 2016 6:48 am

Quoting seahawk (Reply 24):
So ugly. No alternative to the beautiful Boeings when it comes to looks.

I'm not a fan of the 777 look really. Nothing amazing about it.

The move to 10 abreast by most carriers in the 77W just makes it even worse to consider flying  

The A350 just comes across as a better looking aircraft in my view, but as we all know its all subjective.
 
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Tue May 24, 2016 6:55 am

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 25):
I agree. The A350s proportions are odd. It's hard to pinpoint what it is though. But I saw the a350-900 and that one also looks too short, so this one might look slightly better balanced.

For whatever reason, I used to think the same when the first 359s started flying. They just looked so formless to me, but now, I love the 350 look. That nose and those slender wings with the swoopy sharklets look so graceful.   
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RE: PIC: First A350-1000 Pushes Back Out Of Hangar

Tue May 24, 2016 7:05 am

She´s a beauty! Cant wait to see 350 in CX livery

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RE: PIC: First A350-1000 Pushes Back Out Of Hangar

Tue May 24, 2016 7:46 am

My first reaction is that the tail looks unusually short!! Maybe that's why the proportions look odd!
 
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Tue May 24, 2016 7:50 am

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RE: PIC: First A350-1000 Pushes Back Out Of Hangar

Tue May 24, 2016 8:10 am

Quoting 77west (Reply 19):
it is going to suffer similar setbacks as the A346 did

Could you expand on those setbacks please?
 
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Tue May 24, 2016 8:15 am

Airfix glue on standby for the first flight...
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RE: PIC: First A350-1000 Pushes Back Out Of Hangar

Tue May 24, 2016 8:19 am

This pic is from the move from Station 40 to Station 30 a couple of weeks ago.

The winglets might be fitted now etc...

Last I heard the move from S30 to S18 (outside ground tests) was scheduled for today (May 24) and the first unconfirmed reports are dripping in that the move has happened indeed, unfortunately no pictures yet  

//Edit: Oops, missed hkcanadaexpat already posting this earlier in this thread.

[Edited 2016-05-24 01:22:36]
 
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Tue May 24, 2016 8:59 am

MSN065 (2nd A350-1041) with carbon tail is currently moving from M50 to A50
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RE: PIC: First A350-1000 Pushes Back Out Of Hangar

Tue May 24, 2016 9:04 am

Quoting 77west (Reply 19):

The bigger problem will be the -1100, it is going to suffer similar setbacks as the A346 did.

What were these setbacks? Long runway runs like the 739s?
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RE: PIC: First A350-1000 Pushes Back Out Of Hangar

Tue May 24, 2016 10:21 am

I'm guessing the A346 setback is related to weight. It appears as the long, thin fuselage required additional, heavy structure due to the over-stretch, resulting in a far higher OEW versus the 777.
 
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Tue May 24, 2016 10:35 am

Quoting starbucks (Reply 33):
The winglets might be fitted now etc...Last I heard the move from S30 to S18 (outside ground tests) was scheduled for today (May 24) and the first unconfirmed reports are dripping in that the move has happened indeed, unfortunately no pictures yet

I have just walked past MSN59 now and can confirm she is now outside in Station 18 and has the winglets installed. Looking beautiful in the French sunshine!
 
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RE: PIC: First A350-1000 Pushes Back Out Of Hangar

Tue May 24, 2016 10:45 am

Let's wait for the engines then... looks like not that smooth on that front...
 
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Tue May 24, 2016 10:47 am

Quoting Ncfc99 (Reply 31):
Could you expand on those setbacks please?
Quoting alyusuph (Reply 35):
What were these setbacks? Long runway runs like the 739s?
Quoting Pacific (Reply 36):
I'm guessing the A346 setback is related to weight. It appears as the long, thin fuselage required additional, heavy structure due to the over-stretch, resulting in a far higher OEW versus the 777.

Correct. The A346 required a significantly beefed up structure compared to a 777 or 747 when it comes to those sorts of lengths. Don't get me wrong, the A346 is a very pretty airplane, but at some point the fuselage diameter to length ratio reaches its limits.
A346 required 380t vs 354t for the same mission as the 77W

The A346, DC8 variants and yes, the 739 all bump up against those sorts of limits. Even the 779 is pushing the envelope.

An A350-1100 will suffer the same effects, as well as the weight-balance issues the A346 suffered by having heavy premium seating very far forward on a long, thin fuselage.

The A350-1000 is the maximum of that fuselage.

If Airbus really wanted a true XWB they would have developed a 10/11 abreast twinjet family, wider than the 777, capable of 300-450 seats in a 10 abreast at 18" or 11 abreast at 17.3" layout.

Unfortunately that would kill the A380 for 99% of operators.

Perhaps a true 200-300 seater 787 competitor and a 300-450 seater 777 competitor would have been a better bet but oh well...

Just my thoughts.
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RE: PIC: First A350-1000 Pushes Back Out Of Hangar

Tue May 24, 2016 10:50 am

when is her first fly?
 
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Tue May 24, 2016 10:54 am

Quoting LPSHobby (Reply 40):
when is her first fly?

Later this year from what I understand, with service entry next year.
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RE: PIC: First A350-1000 Pushes Back Out Of Hangar

Tue May 24, 2016 11:09 am

Quoting Richards2K14 (Reply 37):
I have just walked past MSN59 now and can confirm she is now outside in Station 18 and has the winglets installed. Looking beautiful in the French sunshine!

No photos? You tease!
 
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RE: PIC: First A350-1000 Pushes Back Out Of Hangar

Tue May 24, 2016 11:47 am

Those photos are at least 1 month old, not sure why everyone missed them. The Flightglobal article is late as well.

Quoting Richards2K14 (Reply 37):
I have just walked past MSN59 now and can confirm she is now outside in Station 18 and has the winglets installed. Looking beautiful in the French sunshine!

Looks gorgeous, isn't? The first thing that caught my eye (aside from its obvious length) are the trailing edge extensions: one doesn't need a trained eye to see that the trailing edges are bigger than on the A350-900.
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RE: PIC: First A350-1000 Pushes Back Out Of Hangar

Tue May 24, 2016 11:51 am

Quoting 77west (Reply 39):
but at some point the fuselage diameter to length ratio reaches its limits.

Differing construction changes that ratio, this has to be taken into account rather than just taring the 3511 with the 346 brush.

Quoting 77west (Reply 39):
A346 required 380t vs 354t for the same mission as the 77W

The talk is that the 3511 will be 30t+ lighter than the 779X carrying similar payloads whilst using less fuel to do so.

Quoting 77west (Reply 39):
The A350-1000 is the maximum of that fuselage.

Do you have any links or info to back this up? (genuine request for further info) or

Quoting 77west (Reply 39):
If Airbus really wanted a true XWB they would have developed a 10/11 abreast twinjet family, wider than the 777, capable of 300-450 seats in a 10 abreast at 18" or 11 abreast at 17.3" layout.

The 3511 will be Airbuses 400(ish)seater.
 
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RE: PIC: First A350-1000 Pushes Back Out Of Hangar

Tue May 24, 2016 12:08 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 43):
Those photos are at least 1 month old, not sure why everyone missed them. The Flightglobal article is late as well.

I was wondering the same, already seen those.
It was also nice to see the MSN065 this morning with the carbon tail passing just in front of my desk windows! And MSN002 full carbon leaving for EBACE this morning as well

[Edited 2016-05-24 05:11:00]
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RE: PIC: First A350-1000 Pushes Back Out Of Hangar

Tue May 24, 2016 12:15 pm

Quoting 77west (Reply 39):
I'm guessing the A346 setback is related to weight. It appears as the long, thin fuselage required additional, heavy structure due to the over-stretch, resulting in a far higher OEW versus the 777.
Quoting Ncfc99 (Reply 44):
Quoting 77west (Reply 39):
A346 required 380t vs 354t for the same mission as the 77W

The talk is that the 3511 will be 30t+ lighter than the 779X carrying similar payloads whilst using less fuel to do so.

Then the 779 might have the experience of the A346. Very quiet on the eastern front, I mean the A350-11   by the way...
 
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RE: PIC: First A350-1000 Pushes Back Out Of Hangar

Tue May 24, 2016 12:28 pm

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 9):
If the A380 is called "the Whale".... this one's gonna be "the Flying Phallus"     

Wanna see it in Norwegian colours!
 
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RE: PIC: First A350-1000 Pushes Back Out Of Hangar

Tue May 24, 2016 12:31 pm

Quoting euroflyer (Reply 45):
It was also nice to see the MSN065 this morning with the carbon tail passing just in front of my desk windows!

MSN 65 also has a satellite radome at the back of the aircraft, indicating it will have a cabin (similar like MSN 2).

[Edited 2016-05-24 05:45:10]
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RE: PIC: First A350-1000 Pushes Back Out Of Hangar

Tue May 24, 2016 12:42 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 48):

Sounds more like the dome that was also visible on MSNs 1 and 3, where the tailskid for the VMU trials was mounted.

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