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L-AA & F9 New A321 Service Into LGA

Tue May 24, 2016 2:48 pm

I did some research and it appears that L-AA will finally utilize their 32B into LGA several times daily on DFW flights this summer. F9 will start daily A321 flights on their daily ATL and MIA rotations in September.
 
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RE: L-AA & F9 New A321 Service Into LGA

Tue May 24, 2016 2:59 pm

That's good to know. I wouldn't be surprised if LGA-MIA also sees the A321 eventually., as far as L-AA is concerned.
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RE: L-AA & F9 New A321 Service Into LGA

Tue May 24, 2016 3:33 pm

Quoting bpat777 (Thread starter):

I did some research and it appears that L-AA will finally utilize their 32B into LGA several times daily on DFW flights this summer.

You mean AA, right? Sorry to be a nit-picker, but LAA doesn't exist anymore.
 
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RE: L-AA & F9 New A321 Service Into LGA

Tue May 24, 2016 4:35 pm

Quoting D L X (Reply 2):
You mean AA, right? Sorry to be a nit-picker, but LAA doesn't exist anymore.

L-US side has flown A321's into LGA for many years so he does mean L-AA. They are still operating separately...
 
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RE: L-AA & F9 New A321 Service Into LGA

Tue May 24, 2016 9:20 pm

Quoting D L X (Reply 2):
You mean AA, right? Sorry to be a nit-picker, but LAA doesn't exist anymore.

Not publicly, but A321s 793-799 and 850-892 are still being operated by LAA crews as the pilots and flight attendants are still on separate contracts. Additionally, the LAA aircraft are outfitted differently, with a 181-seat F16Y165 configuration including Main Cabin Extra, and IFE that consists of AVOD and nose-to-tail power. The distinction between these A321s and the LUS aircraft which have already been operating into LGA for a while now is a valid one.

[Edited 2016-05-24 14:22:22]
 
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RE: L-AA & F9 New A321 Service Into LGA

Wed May 25, 2016 4:52 am

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 4):
Not publicly, but A321s 793-799 and 850-892 are still being operated by LAA crews as the pilots and flight attendants are still on separate contracts.

Actually, the pilots and flight attendants do have joint contracts. The issue for the pilots is the seniority list has not been agreed on and for both FA's and pilots the single FOS and programming changes have not happened yet so there is no ability to allow for them to bid as one entity. FA's should be able to bid as one group regardless of metal sometime early next year.
 
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RE: L-AA & F9 New A321 Service Into LGA

Wed May 25, 2016 1:50 pm

Will Frontier keep ATL in the winter?

In the past they flew double daily to Denver with their slots, and switched them both to Miami in the winter. Will they only drop DEN or also ATL in favor of MIA this winter?

It makes sense to put their largest aircraft on their limited LGA slots.
 
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RE: L-AA & F9 New A321 Service Into LGA

Wed May 25, 2016 3:00 pm

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 3):
-US side has flown A321's into LGA for many years so he does mean L-AA.

Doesn't the Certificate say AA?

AA is flying their 32B into LGA now. That's how I would have put it.

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 4):
The distinction between these A321s and the LUS aircraft which have already been operating into LGA for a while now is a valid one.

Sure, but the airline is still AA. AA is flying a new type into LGA.
 
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RE: L-AA & F9 New A321 Service Into LGA

Wed May 25, 2016 3:07 pm

Quoting American 767 (Reply 1):

That's good to know. I wouldn't be surprised if LGA-MIA also sees the A321 eventually., as far as L-AA is concerned.

There's at least one 32B out there in future on LGA-MIA that I've noticed. I don't recall how far in the future it begins, and of course future schedules can change.
 
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RE: L-AA & F9 New A321 Service Into LGA

Wed May 25, 2016 3:07 pm

Quoting D L X (Reply 7):
Sure, but the airline is still AA. AA is flying a new type into LGA.

The aircraft and crews are still separated as LAA and LUS. Until single FOS, that distinction will continue to exist.

[Edited 2016-05-25 08:09:33]
Tiny, unreadable text leaves ample room for interpretation.
 
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RE: L-AA & F9 New A321 Service Into LGA

Wed May 25, 2016 3:11 pm

Just read that DL is scheduling A321s on LGA-ATL starting in October. Interesting to see so many of them all of a sudden.
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RE: L-AA & F9 New A321 Service Into LGA

Wed May 25, 2016 4:11 pm

Quoting wn676 (Reply 9):
The aircraft and crews are still separated as LAA and LUS

But much more importantly, the decision to use this plane in LGA was made by AA. Not LAA.
 
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RE: L-AA & F9 New A321 Service Into LGA

Wed May 25, 2016 5:16 pm

Is the A321 going to be used for summer time only? The runways are a little short for winter conditions, when typically aircraft need a bit more space.
 
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RE: L-AA & F9 New A321 Service Into LGA

Wed May 25, 2016 5:27 pm

The Runways at LGA are 7000ft. The A321 MTOW is 8,400ft and the MLW is 5,052ft. They will have to keep the weights down and use the entire runway. No room for error.
 
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RE: L-AA & F9 New A321 Service Into LGA

Wed May 25, 2016 5:36 pm

Quoting Beatyair (Reply 12):
Is the A321 going to be used for summer time only? The runways are a little short for winter conditions, when typically aircraft need a bit more space.

It’s the other way around, the warmer the air, the less dense it is so airplanes need longer runways in the summer than in the winter, also same for the engines, the colder the temperatures, the more dense the air is and the engines can generate more thrust. This is known as density altitude and is factored in the airplanes performance data for each takeoff.

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RE: L-AA & F9 New A321 Service Into LGA

Wed May 25, 2016 9:27 pm

Quoting D L X (Reply 7):
AA is flying their 32B into LGA now. That's how I would have put it.

When you start your own topic then you can put it any way you choose. Most readers understood me so what you feel is irrelevant to my post.
 
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RE: L-AA & F9 New A321 Service Into LGA

Wed May 25, 2016 10:02 pm

Quoting D L X (Reply 11):
But much more importantly, the decision to use this plane in LGA was made by AA. Not LAA.

Operationally, LUS and LAA both currently exist at American Airlines, and internally, this is how ops are referred to for each side. However, there is only one management entity at AA that decides how each operation's resources are deployed.

Neither pilots nor flight attendants are fully trained and working on each operation's "metal". Training is underway for FAs and will be complete some time in 2017. I'm not aware of any firm date for pilot ops to be integrated, though there might be one. The AA operation will not be fully integrated until all FAs and pilots are FAA certified to operate each sides respective fleet variations. Only then will LUS and LAA operational designations no longer be used within the company.

The LAA and LUS designations will persist within American Airlies indefinitely for administrative and HR reasons, due to the many differences contained in each group's labor contract provisions involving benefits and pay -- or at least until contracts are negotiated by each group that are on fully equal terms and no longer require such a distinction.
 
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RE: L-AA & F9 New A321 Service Into LGA

Wed May 25, 2016 10:19 pm

Runway length is not an issue, the longest flights are 1500 miles or DEN. They are not loaded with fuel.
 
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RE: L-AA & F9 New A321 Service Into LGA

Wed Jun 01, 2016 3:27 am

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 17):

really? what do they use for propulsion?..solar?

Kidding..

I'm sure you meant not "fully" loaded with fuel.
 
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RE: L-AA & F9 New A321 Service Into LGA

Wed Jun 01, 2016 3:50 am

Didn't L-US run A321s through LGA routinely when they first received the type and had a larger operation there?

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RE: L-AA & F9 New A321 Service Into LGA

Wed Jun 01, 2016 5:32 pm

Quoting Beatyair (Reply 13):
The Runways at LGA are 7000ft. The A321 MTOW is 8,400ft and the MLW is 5,052ft. They will have to keep the weights down and use the entire runway. No room for error.

They'll be fine. The wing fenced A321 has done the longer DCA-PHX route off of the 7,170 foot runway 1/19 for a good while now, and as noted elsewhere in this thread, the longest flights out of LGA are nearer in.
 
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RE: L-AA & F9 New A321 Service Into LGA

Wed Jun 01, 2016 5:46 pm

Quoting bpat777 (Reply 15):
When you start your own topic then you can put it any way you choose. Most readers understood me so what you feel is irrelevant to my post.

This one long time a netter and long time airline employee had no idea what you meant by L-AA.
 
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RE: L-AA & F9 New A321 Service Into LGA

Wed Jun 01, 2016 7:27 pm

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 21):
This one long time a netter and long time airline employee had no idea what you meant by L-AA.

I still don't understand what it means.

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RE: L-AA & F9 New A321 Service Into LGA

Wed Jun 01, 2016 9:03 pm

Quoting mariner (Reply 22):

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 21):
This one long time a netter and long time airline employee had no idea what you meant by L-AA.

I still don't understand what it means.

I thought it was ME. I'm a vet on a.net too and I've not seen these companies noted this way before.
 
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RE: L-AA & F9 New A321 Service Into LGA

Wed Jun 01, 2016 9:11 pm

LAA and LUS is the equivalent of pmDL/pmNW or sUA/sCO. It's a way to differentiate the pre-merger entities. In this case the "L" stands for "legacy" and this is the official distinction used by AA.
 
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RE: L-AA & F9 New A321 Service Into LGA

Thu Jun 02, 2016 3:57 am

Pilots combined operations will be implemented this coming October . Flight attendant combined operations will follow in April of 2017 .

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