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Norwegian Plans EDI-U.S Flights In 2017

Wed May 25, 2016 12:49 pm

Norwegians Ceo Bjorn Kjos stated that they will probably open a base in 2017 at EDI and start flights to BOS,JFK and San fransisco (probably OAK). The airline is also considering flights to Washington D.C and other cities. Your thoughts?


http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.co...nburgh-us-routes-in-2017-1-4137450

I wonder if domestic U.K flights are also in their plans?
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RE: Norwegian Plans EDI-U.S Flights In 2017

Wed May 25, 2016 1:03 pm

I read a quote from Bjorn Kos earlier and it sounded like LGW-EDI flights are planned as he said they wanted to feed EDI pax into their LGW network.
 
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RE: Norwegian Plans EDI-U.S Flights In 2017

Wed May 25, 2016 1:18 pm

What EDI destination traffic they might find will be thin and seasonal. If they want to move large numbers of people year-round they need to serve LON, PAR, FRA and/or AMS.
 
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RE: Norwegian Plans EDI-U.S Flights In 2017

Wed May 25, 2016 8:35 pm

Quoting MIflyer12 (Reply 2):
What EDI destination traffic they might find will be thin and seasonal. If they want to move large numbers of people year-round they need to serve LON, PAR, FRA and/or AMS.

Crap and nonsense !

Europe is far more than the so called golden triangle .

Norwegian are primarily Point to point and right now the likes of Edinburgh/Manchester/Birmingham/Cork/Barcelona and their home turf are where they will win rather than ......../,,,,,,,/and ......... where the Three alliance Hubs operate.

Typical an American advocating the Hub and Spoke model again.

Its not customer friendly it adds time to get anywhere and its maintained by nothing more than bribes !
 
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RE: Norwegian Plans EDI-U.S Flights In 2017

Wed May 25, 2016 8:38 pm

Quoting MIflyer12 (Reply 2):
What EDI destination traffic they might find will be thin and seasonal. If they want to move large numbers of people year-round they need to serve LON, PAR, FRA and/or AMS.

With the number of 787's they have on order they need to serve lots more than LON, PAR, FRA and AMS. Even in those big markets they will likely only offer 1X daily as not to get the majors to run them off the route.
 
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RE: Norwegian Plans EDI-U.S Flights In 2017

Wed May 25, 2016 9:33 pm

Thin and seasonal is correct, even CO cuts down to less than daily over winter on a lowish config 757. Not sure how a high capacity 787 would fare mid winter.
 
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RE: Norwegian Plans EDI-U.S Flights In 2017

Wed May 25, 2016 9:37 pm

Didnt they also announce FCO and BCN for 2017?

Norwegian is slowly changing the playing rules on Europe-USA flights by overpassing hubs and flying more point to point routes. After all Boeing were right with the 787 enabling more routes like these.
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RE: Norwegian Plans EDI-U.S Flights In 2017

Wed May 25, 2016 9:44 pm

Quoting by738 (Reply 5):
Not sure how a high capacity 787 would fare mid winter.

They could fly EDI-USA during Summer and EDI-Caribbean/CPT/BKK during winter.
 
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RE: Norwegian Plans EDI-U.S Flights In 2017

Wed May 25, 2016 9:48 pm

Quoting winGl3t (Reply 7):
They could fly EDI-USA during Summer and EDI-Caribbean/CPT/BKK during winter.

Currently DY only serve the US, Carribean and BKK with their 787s. If and when they decide to expand into Africa, EDI will probably not be among the first to get such service, if at all. With BA ever expanding into South Africa I am surprised DY havent tried their luck yet flying LGW-CPT.
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RE: Norwegian Plans EDI-U.S Flights In 2017

Wed May 25, 2016 9:48 pm

I would Love EDI-ATL!!!

More so would like to see DL serve GLA (ATL-GLA or JFK-GLA),
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RE: Norwegian Plans EDI-U.S Flights In 2017

Wed May 25, 2016 11:03 pm

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 3):
Crap and nonsense !

Europe is far more than the so called golden triangle .

Norwegian are primarily Point to point and right now the likes of Edinburgh/Manchester/Birmingham/Cork/Barcelona and their home turf are where they will win rather than ......../,,,,,,,/and ......... where the Three alliance Hubs operate.

Typical an American advocating the Hub and Spoke model again.

I'm not advocating hub and spoke. There aren't enough people in EDI who want to go to the U.S. year-round, and certainly not enough Americans who want to go to EDI year-round, to justify anything like 787 service daily. If its not near-daily it will attract little business travel and avg fares will be low.

Tell us about the history of extensive TATL service from Manchester, Birmingham, and Cork will you!
 
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RE: Norwegian Plans EDI-U.S Flights In 2017

Thu May 26, 2016 2:13 am

Quoting MIflyer12 (Reply 10):

The flight will probably have connections like DYs future ORK flight will have a connection to BCN I think (since it will fly BOS-ORK-BCN).
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RE: Norwegian Plans EDI-U.S Flights In 2017

Thu May 26, 2016 2:26 am

Quoting MIflyer12 (Reply 10):
There aren't enough people in EDI who want to go to the U.S. year-round, and certainly not enough Americans who want to go to EDI year-round, to justify anything like 787 service daily. If its not near-daily it will attract little business travel and avg fares will be low.

While I agree that EDI can't support year-round service to the US without onward connections, in fairness Norwegian's business model is not dependent on daily or even near-daily flights to most of their US destinations, so a couple of flights per week during the high season would not be anything different from what they're already doing.

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RE: Norwegian Plans EDI-U.S Flights In 2017

Thu May 26, 2016 3:19 am

I could see BOS and JFK with a summer seasonal 737 Max, if they get theirs by 2017.

But OAK and IAD would need the 787, and I can't imagine them being able to fill a 787 without a sizable number of connections in EDI, as they don't have a base or hub there.
 
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RE: Norwegian Plans EDI-U.S Flights In 2017

Thu May 26, 2016 4:53 am

Quoting winGl3t (Reply 7):
They could fly EDI-USA during Summer and EDI-Caribbean/CPT/BKK during winter.
Quoting B747forever (Reply 8):
Currently DY only serve the US, Carribean and BKK with their 787s. If and when they decide to expand into Africa, EDI will probably not be among the first to get such service, if at all. With BA ever expanding into South Africa I am surprised DY havent tried their luck yet flying LGW-CPT.

If they were to fly from the UK to most long-haul destinations other than the USA and Canada, they could only do so using their UK AOC - and they only got this recently. The Irish (or the original Norwegian) AOC won't mesh with the bilateral Air Service Agreements between the UK and most of these destinations. Gradually bilaterals are being rewritten so that any EU/EEA airline can operate from the UK end, but many countries either don't agree or are in no hurry to change. It will take years before either the agreements are superseded by full EU/EEA Open Skies or they are extended to allow airlines without AOCs from either country to operate.
 
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RE: Norwegian Plans EDI-U.S Flights In 2017

Thu May 26, 2016 5:54 am

Quoting Andy33 (Reply 14):

I never thought about the bilateral agreements between different European countries and non-US destinations. That explains DYs rapid expansion to thenUS and the lack of other long haul destinations.
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RE: Norwegian Plans EDI-U.S Flights In 2017

Thu May 26, 2016 6:17 am

Quoting MIflyer12 (Reply 10):
Tell us about the history of extensive TATL service from Manchester, Birmingham, and Cork will you!

Think this is the MAN flying programme for JULY

JFK: AA 767 daily DL 767 daily TCX A330 6 weekly
EWR: CO 757 daily
IAD: CO 757 daily
ORD: AA 787 daily
ATL VS A330 daily
BOS: TCX A330 2 weekly
LAX: TCX 2 weekly
LAS: VS 2 747 weekly TCX 5 A330 A330 (with VS going 3 weekly A330 late July through August)
MIA: TCX 2 weekly
PHL: AA A330 daily
MCO: VS 747 14 weekly (12 weekly?) VS A330 daily

Think this is the MAN flying programme for DECEMBER:

JFK: AA 757 daily DL 757 daily TCX A330 5 weekly
EWR: CO 757 daily
IAD: CO 757 5 weekly
ORD: AA 757 daily
ATL: VS A330 daily
LAS: TCX 5 A330 weekly
MIA: TCX 2 weekly A330
PHL: AA A330 daily
MCO: VS 747 9 weekly TCX A330 5 weekly

Then next year we add in VS A330 2 weekly to BOS and A330 3 weekly to SFO.

Perhaps it's a tad bit better than what you expected.



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RE: Norwegian Plans EDI-U.S Flights In 2017

Thu May 26, 2016 8:26 am

Quoting by738 (Reply 5):
Thin and seasonal is correct, even CO cuts down to less than daily over winter on a lowish config 757. Not sure how a high capacity 787 would fare mid winter.

United operate daily during the winter. I think Delta flights to New York are also due to continue through the winter.

Quoting MIflyer12 (Reply 10):
I'm not advocating hub and spoke. There aren't enough people in EDI who want to go to the U.S. year-round, and certainly not enough Americans who want to go to EDI year-round, to justify anything like 787 service daily. If its not near-daily it will attract little business travel and avg fares will be low.

Who says it has to operate year round? They could always redeploy elsewhere during the quieter winter months. Caribbean might work. Vegas perhaps. US West Coast could still be popular during the winter.
 
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RE: Norwegian Plans EDI-U.S Flights In 2017

Thu May 26, 2016 9:00 am

Quoting by738 (Reply 5):
Thin and seasonal is correct, even CO cuts down to less than daily over winter on a lowish config 757. Not sure how a high capacity 787 would fare mid winter.

Being that Norwegian's model is not a daily service I don't think there will be a problem filling seats to warm destinations like FLL/SJU/CUN but also a few times a week to places like LAX/JFK and even toss in a weekly LAS. That's a daily flight FROM EDI to a handle of destinations.

Quoting david_itl (Reply 16):
JFK: AA 757 daily DL 757 daily TCX A330 5 weekly
EWR: CO 757 daily
IAD: CO 757 5 weekly
ORD: AA 757 daily
ATL: VS A330 daily
LAS: TCX 5 A330 weekly
MIA: TCX 2 weekly A330
PHL: AA A330 daily
MCO: VS 747 9 weekly TCX A330 5 weekly

Then next year we add in VS A330 2 weekly to BOS and A330 3 weekly to SFO.

Perhaps it's a tad bit better than what you expected.

Exactly, I don't think Norwegian operating a long haul flight or two a day with the 787 will be an issue. Combine it with short haul operations to travel to other points in Europe and it's quite on point. I would seem them doing quite well and look forward to taking them again.
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RE: Norwegian Plans EDI-U.S Flights In 2017

Thu May 26, 2016 12:37 pm

Quoting nighthawk (Reply 17):
I think Delta flights to New York are also due to continue through the winter

Correct....Delta's JFK-EDI service is scheduled to be year-round (a 763ER during the peak summer months, but a 752 during the off-season). In fact, the service is starting today:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/delta-...ches-round-york-jfk-120000476.html
 
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RE: Norwegian Plans EDI-U.S Flights In 2017

Thu May 26, 2016 1:46 pm

The 737 MAX would be good for flights from EDI. Would it not?
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RE: Norwegian Plans EDI-U.S Flights In 2017

Thu May 26, 2016 1:54 pm

Quoting dabpit (Reply 20):

They said that they were planning on using the max for flights to EDI last year.
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RE: Norwegian Plans EDI-U.S Flights In 2017

Thu May 26, 2016 2:12 pm

A 737 Max is the only way for this to work, a 787 is just too big on a year around basis. If they can make it work great for them. Scotland to the USA in the none summer months is a very limited market.
 
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RE: Norwegian Plans EDI-U.S Flights In 2017

Thu May 26, 2016 2:21 pm

Quoting david_itl (Reply 16):

Exactly, The US is extremely well served from MAN now, and I don't think we are done yet.
 
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RE: Norwegian Plans EDI-U.S Flights In 2017

Thu May 26, 2016 2:57 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 22):

A 737 Max is the only way for this to work, a 787 is just too big on a year around basis.

As already mentioned, DY dont serve all their routes on year round basis, but shift both frequency and routes depending on season.
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RE: Norwegian Plans EDI-U.S Flights In 2017

Thu May 26, 2016 6:44 pm

These would presumably be Max-8 routes.
 
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RE: Norwegian Plans EDI-U.S Flights In 2017

Thu May 26, 2016 6:46 pm

Quoting LTenEleven (Reply 25):
These would presumably be Max-8 routes.

Correct as they have only order the -8 model of the 737Max family.
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RE: Norwegian Plans EDI-U.S Flights In 2017

Thu May 26, 2016 7:17 pm

Quoting MIflyer12 (Reply 10):
There aren't enough people in EDI who want to go to the U.S. year-round, and certainly not enough Americans who want to go to EDI year-round, to justify anything like 787 service daily.
Quoting Mir (Reply 12):
While I agree that EDI can't support year-round service to the US without onward connections

Tell Delta, who have announced daily services JKF-EDI year round today!

http://mediacentre.visitscotland.org...-new-york-jfk-to-edinburgh-1412175

BTW I actually posted about Norwegian's news in the Scottish aviation thread the other day  

Scotland Aviation - News 2016 (by factsonly May 20 2016 in Civil Aviation)

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[Edited 2016-05-26 12:18:25]
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RE: Norwegian Plans EDI-U.S Flights In 2017

Thu May 26, 2016 9:44 pm

Quoting seansasLCY (Reply 1):

Put a MAN - LGW service in as well please just twice a day I'm begging   
 
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RE: Norwegian Plans EDI-U.S Flights In 2017

Thu May 26, 2016 9:54 pm

Quoting sandyb123 (Reply 27):
Tell Delta, who have announced daily services JKF-EDI year round today!

They have onward connections, as does UA.

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