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Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter): The EC mandates concern opening open-skies talks with the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN), Turkey, the United Arab Emirates and Qatar. |
Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter): Surprise move, but I suppose the EC's overall goal of establishing increased number of block wide agreements takes precedence. |
Quoting dubaiamman243 (Reply 9): Well... the UAE has an open skies policy. It's the EU that have to change. |
Quoting B747forever (Reply 10): Of course the UAE is all for open skies. |
Quoting Qatara340 (Reply 11): Open skies will benefit everybody, and most importantly the consumer. |
Quoting JimJupiter (Reply 13): Let's just hope it will benefit employment rights and working conditions as well. In that case, I'm all in. |
Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter): Surprise move, but I suppose the EC's overall goal of establishing increased number of block wide agreements takes precedence. |
Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter): The mandates are part of the EC’s aviation strategy that was unveiled in December which seeks to establish block wide agreements covering the air-transport sector, replacing remaining individual member agreements. |
Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter): In practice the ASA's with these 4 national groups in many cases is very liberal already - for example Turkey, which already offers almost unlimited access to/from most EU member nations. |
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 16): The UK is probably for this as the ME3 already fly to lots of the UK. The Germans and French are going to hate this as they do not want any more ME3 flying in their countries, this is their Asian business going to hell. |
Quoting dubaiamman243 (Reply 9): Well... the UAE has an open skies policy. It's the EU that have to change. |
Quoting pipeafcr (Reply 8): I just love it when the west applies universal open market standards even when it could possibly leave their own businesses at a disadvantage.... I guess equality for all! |
Quoting Qatara340 (Reply 11): It's about time the EU get liberal about open skies and start these talks. Open skies will benefit everybody, and most importantly the consumer. |
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 20): It will be the details the UAE cares about. Otherwise they would sign tomorrow for more access to France and Germany. Ghad, this is a potential ME4 game changer. |
Quoting JimJupiter (Reply 13): Let's just hope it will benefit employment rights and working conditions as well. In that case, I'm all in. |
Quoting PanHAM (Reply 22): Makes me wonder how liberal openskies Agreements can be agreed with countries that have Little to nothing to offer in return. |
Quoting PanHAM (Reply 24): If the EU demands a Level playing field in Terms of Labor relation, civil rights, Taxation, subsidies (none allowed), just to mention a few, one could talk about it. That would be a Long road for some countries in the ME. |
Quoting PanHAM (Reply 24): If the EU demands a Level playing field in Terms of Labor relation, civil rights, Taxation, subsidies (none allowed), just to mention a few, one could talk about it. That would be a Long road for some countries in the ME. |
Quoting KaiTak747 (Reply 27): How about cheaper and far more air connections to hundreds of millions of Europeans? Isn't that more than "little to nothing to offer"? |
Quoting KaiTak747 (Reply 27): How about cheaper and far more air connections to hundreds of millions of Europeans? Isn't that more than "little to nothing to offer"? |
Quoting KaiTak747 (Reply 27): But why does that matter? These are not airlines based in the EU. On top of that, if you go by that logic, you might as well get |
Quoting PanHAM (Reply 24): f the EU demands a Level playing field in Terms of Labor relation, civil rights, Taxation, subsidies (none allowed), just to mention a few, one could talk about it. |
Quoting PanHAM (Reply 29): A Level playing field is the only way on a world wide scale. But with the ME3+TK such a Level playing field is not given and that matters. This is an issue whoich will be discussed also at the upcoming ILA |
Quoting PanHAM (Reply 29): Qatar wants to host the Football WC in 2022. This will likely be a fiasco for some reasons. But the matches will be played accordin to the rules. |
Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 25): I think that is a bit overdrawn. In Germany they can fly to four airports without any frequency or seat limitation. Beside DUS, FRA, HAM and MUC, the airport they would like to add would be in Berlin and perhaps STR. Germany is populous, but quite compact. In France Emirates flies to CDG, NCE and LYS. One should not forget that quite a few Germans will fly out of AMS, BRU and ZRH and some Frenchman will use GVA. |
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 32): 2. Current German bilaterals require 50% O&D traffic. This means all those German connecting traffic passengers cannot be accommodated as the ME3 are constrained by the need to grow O&D traffic. This is the opposite pattern of the ME3. |
Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter): The EC mandates concern opening open-skies talks with the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN), Turkey, the United Arab Emirates and Qatar. |
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Quoting PanHAM (Reply 22): Makes me wonder how liberal openskies Agreements can be agreed with countries that have Little to nothing to offer in return. |
Quoting mercure1 (Reply 23): If the EU demands a Level playing field in Terms of Labor relation, civil rights, Taxation, subsidies (none allowed), just to mention a few, one could talk about it. |
Quoting KaiTak747 (Reply 27): Also, actual level playing fields are an impossibility, each country will have different labour costs and taxes, that's how the world works. |
Quoting eal (Reply 35): BA is also 8% owned by QR |
Quoting PanHAM (Reply 29): see reply 25. I might add that not only EK has virtually unlimited rights to Germany but the other 2 as well. Turkey is member of the common avation area. Open skies in Europe, particularly in Germany IS Happening today. |
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Quoting PanHAM (Reply 29): Most f the items in my house are european made. |
Quoting PanHAM (Reply 24): If the EU demands a Level playing field in Terms of Labor relation, civil rights, Taxation, subsidies (none allowed), just to mention a few, one could talk about it. That would be a Long road for some countries in the ME. |
Quoting ElPistolero (Reply 39): If countries like India start applying the same rule to LH |
Quoting enilria (Reply 33): Which is a ridiculously arbitrary restriction. |
Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 34): What's so arbitrary about it? I'd say it's quite reasonable. |
Quoting LTenEleven (Reply 38): I suppose some people are just happy to keep paying LH, AF, etc. higher air fares. |
Quoting FriscoHeavy (Reply 26): You mean not being able to be fired for screwing up or not working hard/efficiently? |
Quoting Aither (Reply 46): I think people should be happy to still have a national airline and not be totally economically dependent of another country when it comes to connectivity with the rest of the world. |
Quoting Aither (Reply 46): The strategy of BA to avoid the competition will only work some time - until someone does the EK of the transatlantic. It will come it not already there. Also the London market is unique in Europe. I think BA should be renamed "London Airways"... |
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