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KE 777 Fire @ HND

Fri May 27, 2016 4:26 am

BBC News is reporting a KE 777 has been evacuated at HND due to an engine fire. No fruther details given
 
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Fri May 27, 2016 4:45 am

 
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Fri May 27, 2016 4:52 am

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Must be one of the first 777-300A models off the line.
 
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RE: KE 777 Fire @ HND

Fri May 27, 2016 5:23 am

I see the pax stopped to get their carry on as usual!
 
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RE: KE 777 Fire @ HND

Fri May 27, 2016 5:36 am

Thank god they saved the tax free liquor
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RE: KE 777 Fire @ HND

Fri May 27, 2016 5:55 am

Quoting bcworld (Reply 4):
I see the pax stopped to get their carry on as usual!

Because you really need to you duty free, when your bags have gone up in flames  
 
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RE: KE 777 Fire @ HND

Fri May 27, 2016 6:12 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 6):


Hey if I needed to do a combat roll onto the winter tarmac I'd love to have my Smirnoff.
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RE: KE 777 Fire @ HND

Fri May 27, 2016 6:17 am

Quoting coolian2 (Reply 7):
Hey if I needed to do a combat roll onto the winter tarmac I'd love to have my Smirnoff.

Lol agreed.

Now - because somones going to be the first to ask it, it may as well be me.

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RE: KE 777 Fire @ HND

Fri May 27, 2016 6:36 am

Looks very minor. You do not even see burn marks on the cowling.
 
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RE: KE 777 Fire @ HND

Fri May 27, 2016 7:44 am

Quoting coolian2 (Reply 7):
Hey if I needed to do a combat roll onto the winter tarmac I'd love to have my Smirnoff.

Might be winter in Oz, but in the Northern hemisphere we're closer to mid summer! Not that it feels like it in the UK today.   
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RE: KE 777 Fire @ HND

Fri May 27, 2016 8:02 am

Quoting larshjort (Reply 5):
Thank god they saved the tax free liquor

Hey now, that cherry blossom sake with all the kanji on the bottle cost me a whole ¥3700!
oh boy, here we go!!!
 
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RE: KE 777 Fire @ HND

Fri May 27, 2016 8:13 am

I read that three times as "bum marks"

Must be the new glasses.

              

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Fri May 27, 2016 8:18 am

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RE: KE 777 Fire @ HND

Fri May 27, 2016 8:27 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 13):
Can't see any major damage.

Are you sure?
The LH engine looks pretty damaged to me.
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RE: KE 777 Fire @ HND

Fri May 27, 2016 8:34 am

Seven humans reportedly injured in the evacuation but all carry-on baggage evacuated by slide seems to have escaped unscathed.
When will pax learn that an evacuation isn't something routine? When will airlines enforce the rules? And when will the collective "luck" run out and deaths occur because the roller-suitcase/suit-carrier/duty free has to be saved?
Evacuation by slide is ordered because of a very high risk to the airframe or the occupants, thus indifference to the potentially life-threatening cause puts others at risk.
 
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RE: KE 777 Fire @ HND

Fri May 27, 2016 9:00 am

Holy CROW! I was just in Haneda the day before taking AirDo to Obihiro! Sure made it through in time! Wow.
 
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RE: KE 777 Fire @ HND

Fri May 27, 2016 9:18 am

Quick evac necessary? Just open up a jar of Kimchi   .
 
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RE: KE 777 Fire @ HND

Fri May 27, 2016 9:22 am

I don't like cabbage in any form, though  .
 
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RE: KE 777 Fire @ HND

Fri May 27, 2016 9:24 am

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RE: KE 777 Fire @ HND

Fri May 27, 2016 9:29 am

Quoting nitepilot79 (Reply 17):
Quick evac necessary? Just open up a jar of Kimchi   .
Quoting nitepilot79 (Reply 18):
I don't like cabbage in any form, though  .
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 19):
Another photo:

Looks like they did, and the foam responded in kind  .

[Edited 2016-05-27 02:34:06]
 
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RE: KE 777 Fire @ HND

Fri May 27, 2016 9:46 am

Out of curiosity, have any 777 or A330-vintage PW4000s blown an HPT or LPT?

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RE: KE 777 Fire @ HND

Fri May 27, 2016 9:56 am

According to the photos I´ve seen, it seems like an uncontained failure in the hot section.
The cowling behind the reverser is blown away on the lower left side...
Looks like they were lucky no parts were blown towards the fuselage.
 
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RE: KE 777 Fire @ HND

Fri May 27, 2016 10:25 am

I landed at HND this morninig on LH714. Isaw this KE 777 at the gate while on the bus out of the airport.
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RE: KE 777 Fire @ HND

Fri May 27, 2016 10:31 am

Quoting p201055r (Reply 15):
Seven humans reportedly injured in the evacuation but all carry-on baggage evacuated by slide seems to have escaped unscathed.

Which makes me wonder why they ordered an evacuation in the first place.

With an engine fire on the ground, with fire engines nearby, it's very, very unlikely that any passenger will get hurt at all. Passengers normally don't get hurt even with an engine fire in the air.

But passengers frequently get hurt by the evacuation itself.

If I had been the captain on this flight, I would've told the passengers to stay put until stairs were in place.
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RE: KE 777 Fire @ HND

Fri May 27, 2016 10:34 am

Several additional photos:





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Fri May 27, 2016 10:41 am

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RE: KE 777 Fire @ HND

Fri May 27, 2016 10:47 am

Quoting RedChili (Reply 24):
But passengers frequently get hurt by the evacuation itself.

Indeed, that is "normal" when it comes to evacuations but generally considering the risks of staying onboard it is worth risking a small injury compared to a serious injury or death.

Quoting RedChili (Reply 24):
If I had been the captain on this flight, I would've told the passengers to stay put until stairs were in place.

It's a judgment call, the thing is at the airlines I worked for in the past the rule was that once one crewmember has initiated an evacuation then all others must follow. This is generally because it is not possible to tell what the situation is in the area where the evacuation has begun. This looks like a simple engine fire but at a given crewmember's position it may have looked far more serious, serious enough to warrant them initiating an evacuation and thus the rest follow suit.

For the record we were told that if we hadn't been forewarned to evacuate in a planned emergency we would run our evacuation drill should we either -

1 - Be informed over the PA to evacuate
2 - Have the aircraft in an "unusual angle" (as in gear collapse)
3 - Obvious catastrophic failure (as in something has happened to the fuselage, or the wing is hanging off)
4 - Obvious major hazard (such as fire onboard)
5 - Or if another crewmember has initiated an evacuation (because we can't see what they have seen and every second counts)

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RE: KE 777 Fire @ HND

Fri May 27, 2016 10:52 am

Quoting RedChili (Reply 24):
With an engine fire on the ground, with fire engines nearby, it's very, very unlikely that any passenger will get hurt at all. Passengers normally don't get hurt even with an engine fire in the air.

Things can go very badly when smoke penetrates the cabin.

Do we remember British Airtours Flight 28M? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airtours_Flight_28M
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RE: KE 777 Fire @ HND

Fri May 27, 2016 10:56 am

Quoting FlyingColours (Reply 27):
Indeed, that is "normal" when it comes to evacuations but generally considering the risks of staying onboard it is worth risking a small injury compared to a serious injury or death.

While I don't know any specific examples, I believe there is a risk of death with panicking passengers jumping down a chute 5 meters into the air, with emergency vehicles rushing to the scene, spraying foam all over the place, etc.

Quoting FlyingColours (Reply 27):
It's a judgment call, the thing is at the airlines I worked for in the past the rule was that once one crewmember has initiated an evacuation then all others must follow. This is generally because it is not possible to tell what the situation is in the area where the evacuation has begun. This looks like a simple engine fire but at a given crewmember's position it may have looked far more serious, serious enough to warrant them initiating an evacuation and thus the rest follow suit.

This makes sense.
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RE: KE 777 Fire @ HND

Fri May 27, 2016 11:04 am

Quoting RedChili (Reply 24):


Which makes me wonder why they ordered an evacuation in the first place.

With an engine fire on the ground, with fire engines nearby, it's very, very unlikely that any passenger will get hurt at all. Passengers normally don't get hurt even with an engine fire in the air.

But passengers frequently get hurt by the evacuation itself.

If I had been the captain on this flight, I would've told the passengers to stay put until stairs were in place.

You've just come to a stop after an aborted take-off because of the fire bell, It's 60 seconds before the first fire truck arrives. Tower will tell you your left engine is on fire. FA's are calling because they see the wing on fire probably the cabin is already filling with smoke. Do you evacuate or do you wait for the fire trucks to arrive and see if they can put out the fire? Actually seems like a no-brainer to me. You evacuate.

Which guy would you rather be...

Captain A - had an engine fire, immediatelly ordered evacuation, critized on a-net by the monday morning quarter backs there that he shouldnt have. Everbody lived but there were 50 sprained/broke ankles and one fractured arm.

Captain B - had an engine fire, ordered everyone to remain seated, crticized on a-net by the monday morning quarter backs there that he should have evacuated sooner, One person was killed by smoke inhalation waiting for his turn at the exit. It is speculated that the last person would have made it out had the evacuation started 30 seconds sooner. Otherwise there were no injuries.

I pick A.
 
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RE: KE 777 Fire @ HND

Fri May 27, 2016 11:44 am

Quoting p201055r (Reply 15):
When will airlines enforce the rules?


Whilst I agree people need to realise the importance of this, how do you suggest airlines (crew) enforce this in the process of evacuating 300 people in less than 90 seconds?
 
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RE: KE 777 Fire @ HND

Fri May 27, 2016 12:34 pm

Quoting BAWairbus (Reply 31):
Whilst I agree people need to realise the importance of this, how do you suggest airlines (crew) enforce this in the process of evacuating 300 people in less than 90 seconds?

Ah, this is where great ideas get splashed in the face with cold hard reality...
 
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RE: KE 777 Fire @ HND

Fri May 27, 2016 12:54 pm

"If I had been the captain on this flight, I would've told the passengers to stay put until stairs were in place."

I wonder what your reaction would be to someone 8000 km away, with no first hand knowledge, telling you how you should do your job?
 
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RE: KE 777 Fire @ HND

Fri May 27, 2016 1:13 pm

FlightGlobal Analyzer has this aircraft as having its engines derated from PW4098 to PW4090 on June 30th 2007

Airframe Time Since New (TSN): 63750 - March 2016
Airframe Cycles Since New (CSN): 18491 - March 2016
 
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RE: KE 777 Fire @ HND

Fri May 27, 2016 1:14 pm

You would never pass your checkride .. Captain has to make the best choice everytime ..
 
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RE: KE 777 Fire @ HND

Fri May 27, 2016 1:27 pm

Quoting Passedv1 (Reply 30):

If I had been the captain on this flight, I would've told the passengers to stay put until stairs were in place

How long due you think it takes for steps to arrive? unless the Fire Service have their own it could take about 12mins at least possibly longer.

It all comes down to risk management based on the information you have at the time. The flight crew only had one option and that was to evacuate.
 
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RE: KE 777 Fire @ HND

Fri May 27, 2016 1:28 pm

Quoting BAWairbus (Reply 31):

Whilst I agree people need to realise the importance of this, how do you suggest airlines (crew) enforce this in the process of evacuating 300 people in less than 90 seconds?

Not a chance that could happen. I'd be in favor however of the relevant civil aviation authority fining passengers if there is evidence that they took their carry on with them in an evacuation, or alternatively make it a federal offense like tampering with a lavatory smoke detector. While you wouldn't always be able to have the proof required to get a conviction it would make some people think twice.
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RE: KE 777 Fire @ HND

Fri May 27, 2016 1:52 pm

Eerie resemblance to BA 2276 777 engine fire in LAS, although this KE plane hadn't initiated takeoff roll from what it appears.
 
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RE: KE 777 Fire @ HND

Fri May 27, 2016 1:58 pm

Quoting COSPN (Reply 35):
You would never pass your checkride .. Captain has to make the best choice everytime ..

There is no "best choice". Either one of these moves, evacuating and not evacuating, can be seen as the correct move, depending on the situation.

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RE: KE 777 Fire @ HND

Fri May 27, 2016 2:11 pm

Quoting flyenthu (Reply 38):

It certainly was on the takeoff roll, check the video here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKXLbWNpGow

There is an uncontained failure of the left engine and the aircraft stops pretty quickly. There is then a significant fire hence the evacuation.
 
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RE: KE 777 Fire @ HND

Fri May 27, 2016 2:36 pm

Quoting flyenthu (Reply 38):
Eerie resemblance to BA 2276 777 engine fire in LAS, although this KE plane hadn't initiated takeoff roll from what it appears.
Quoting Armodeen (Reply 40):
It certainly was on the takeoff roll, check the video here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKXLbWNpGow

There is an uncontained failure of the left engine and the aircraft stops pretty quickly. There is then a significant fire hence the evacuation.

flyenthu, 0:09 onward is the best time to cue up Armodeen's youtube clip .
 
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RE: KE 777 Fire @ HND

Fri May 27, 2016 2:37 pm

Thanks Armodeen. Wow....glad everyone was safe.
 
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RE: KE 777 Fire @ HND

Fri May 27, 2016 2:37 pm

Seeing the video, pulling the pin and getting out of there seems to have been the correct choice!
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RE: KE 777 Fire @ HND

Fri May 27, 2016 2:42 pm

Fortunate direction for the failure - seems to have been down and away from the fuselage.
 
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RE: KE 777 Fire @ HND

Fri May 27, 2016 3:01 pm

This is what can happen, if smoke and/or fire gets inside the cabin, when an evacuation order is delayed.

The cabin filled with smoke. No exit doors were activated and it took the "Fire Service" 23 minutes to open the first one.

All 287+14 crew died.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudia_Flight_163
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RE: KE 777 Fire @ HND

Fri May 27, 2016 3:05 pm

Best to get out. Remember how quickly the 737 of Ci burned on the tarmac at Okinawa? And how long it took fire services to arrive?
 
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RE: KE 777 Fire @ HND

Fri May 27, 2016 3:12 pm

Okinawa was the worst attempt at fighting a fire I have ever seen.

They took 6 minutes to even arrive on scene. They then sprayed foam into the air for the next 3 minutes, without hitting the plane or the fire.

No Fire Service contact was made with the tower at all. It was a complete mess.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qyZFASOAe0


Sequence of events regarding fire fighting[edit]
The long sequence of events from the start of the fire to the arrival of the first fire fighting equipment at the scene, led to questions being asked about the slow reaction of emergency services.[6]

The fire was spotted at about 10:33, about 6 minutes after touchdown.
At 10:33:58, the fire was reported to the fire station at Naha airport.
At 10:35 two airport fire engines left the fire station.
Close to one minute later the first fire engine tried to contact the tower, but got no response.
At about 10:36 the first explosion occurred, causing the first officer, who was leaving the cockpit through the window, to fall to the ground.
About 30 seconds later the first fire engine tried to contact the tower for the second time, and did not get a response either.
At 10:38:25 the first fire engine arrived (No. 6) began discharging foam onto the burning fuselage.
30 seconds later the second fire engine arrived.
At 10:39:00 the second fire engine (No. 7) began discharging foam onto the burning fuselage.
About 30 seconds afterwards No. 6 starts discharging foam on to the front of the plane.
From the fire first being spotted by the tower, to the start of fire fighting actions, six minutes passed. There was no contact between the tower and the fire engines until then, and three explosions took place in the meantime. The plane went from a burning engine to fully engulfed and broken in half.[6]

[Edited 2016-05-27 08:42:26]
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RE: KE 777 Fire @ HND

Fri May 27, 2016 3:13 pm

Quoting uta999 (Reply 45):

I would much rather break an ankle on the slide than bake one in the cabin....
 
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RE: KE 777 Fire @ HND

Fri May 27, 2016 3:30 pm

Quoting uta999 (Reply 47):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Airlines_Flight_120

Not to get too far off topic, but I found this YouTube video an excellent explanation to the cause of the fire for CAL 120.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSUNzpmE-Rk

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