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RE: Irish 8/16: Celebrating 80 Years Of Aer Lingus!

Mon Jun 06, 2016 9:36 am

Quoting EIDL (Reply 93):

Disappointing to see these routes failing for EIR and indeed something of a concern as to how well EI are marketing their DUB T/A hub, particularly when you consider that these 3 airports serve regions with relatively large populations. Clearly if some of the flight timings were unsuitable for T/A connections, they were at risk from the start, but I often wondered if a somewhat smaller airliner than the ATR-72 with improved timing/frequency might be more appropriate for development of some of the EIR UK regional routes. Obviously however the economics of operating smaller airliners may well militate against this. Hopefully, at least on the CWL route, we might see a codeshare with BE replacing these flights.
 
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RE: Irish 8/16: Celebrating 80 Years Of Aer Lingus!

Mon Jun 06, 2016 9:37 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 98):
I was concerned at first but it seems that they will indeed be operating for a few European carriers and then within the WX route network once LCY gets SSJ clearence. I actually think in the end they will do well and the current fleet is on its last legs so badly needed a decent replacement.

Fair point, I guess there is the SK operation but am waiting to see which Euro carrier liveries we will see painted on the SSJ! The 6-abreast Avros are certainly well past their sell-by date!

[Edited 2016-06-06 02:41:59]
 
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RE: Irish 8/16: Celebrating 80 Years Of Aer Lingus!

Mon Jun 06, 2016 10:03 am

Quoting stratocruiser (Reply 100):
Disappointing to see these routes failing for EIR and indeed something of a concern as to how well EI are marketing their DUB T/A hub, particularly when you consider that these 3 airports serve regions with relatively large populations. Clearly if some of the flight timings were unsuitable for T/A connections, they were at risk from the start, but I often wondered if a somewhat smaller airliner than the ATR-72 with improved timing/frequency might be more appropriate for development of some of the EIR UK regional routes.

I think only CWL worked for connections to North America. DSA and EMA were both half-hearted efforts almost doomed to failure against FR. I'm surprised CWL hasn't worked. EI have never done well there. ORK-CWL also withered on the vine.
 
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RE: Irish 8/16: Celebrating 80 Years Of Aer Lingus!

Mon Jun 06, 2016 1:19 pm

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 102):

The loss leader fares from BE don't help. As low as £15 one way. Interesting to see if BE stick with the route now!

I do also wonder how long they will keep the two remaining ATR42's, they are 26 years old now, can we really see them lasting much longer and the 3 routes above saw a lot of them operating them.
 
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RE: Irish 8/16: Celebrating 80 Years Of Aer Lingus!

Mon Jun 06, 2016 1:43 pm

According to FG, Al Baker has said that QR will commence DUB, and possibly BFS, in 2017.

While DUB is no surprise, Belfast is a really interesting choice. A Belfast service would cut off a chunk of the traffic supply to DUB and would result in a capacity glut (with EK/EY/QR/TK) this side of the border. Great for the consumer in the short term but almost certainly unsustainable. It is quite fascinating watching the Ireland-ME market evolve.
 
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RE: Irish 8/16: Celebrating 80 Years Of Aer Lingus!

Mon Jun 06, 2016 3:39 pm

Quoting EI320 (Reply 104):
Belfast is a really interesting choice

QR and BFS have been chatting for some time. BFS are dying to get it but we shall see if it actually happens. Who knows depending on A/C and frequency it might shock us all but dont rule out a tag !
 
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RE: Irish 8/16: Celebrating 80 Years Of Aer Lingus!

Mon Jun 06, 2016 4:27 pm

I wonder if QR will do really well in DUB due to the fact that there are so many oneworld frequent flyers courtesy of the Executive Club in Ireland. I'd certainly fly QR over EK and EY so I could earn miles and get the benefits of my status. I'd also be happy to use them to avoid LHR on the way to the Far East. They might do better than we think!
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RE: Irish 8/16: Celebrating 80 Years Of Aer Lingus!

Mon Jun 06, 2016 5:49 pm

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 106):

Completely agree. To me Etihad are the ones who have the most to lose
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RE: Irish 8/16: Celebrating 80 Years Of Aer Lingus!

Mon Jun 06, 2016 6:25 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 105):
QR and BFS have been chatting for some time. BFS are dying to get it but we shall see if it actually happens.

Indeed. QR have huge growth ambitions and huge resources behind them, so in that sense I would not be surprised to see them tackle the Irish market full force by launching both DUB & BFS. With DUB now being IAG territory, QR (with their recently increased shareholding in IAG) will want to be firmly in the frame.

The ME3 have been pursuing very different strategies from a partnership perspective and I suspect this will ultimately determine their success in the Irish market over the long-run. Emirates have force through scale; QR now have OW to lean on; while EY remain fixated with their increasingly-dodgy looking equity alliance (AB and AZ were the worst performing European airlines in FY15). Of these strategies, it's clear that EY's equity alliance provides the least value to the Irish market.

EK and QR also have far bigger cash piles behind them, and QR will feel fine about losing money on their Irish routes in the initial years as their eyes will be fixed on the long-term, IAG-filled picture. EY suddenly look vulnerable.
 
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RE: Irish 8/16: Celebrating 80 Years Of Aer Lingus!

Mon Jun 06, 2016 7:52 pm

Does anyone have a recent experience connect DUB-IST-XXX recently? Does IST treat DUB like other EU "clean" arrivals and allow connecting passengers to proceed straight to the departures.

I know that since it's TK and IST, it's a bit random but it would be good to have a rough idea of what to expect.
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RE: Irish 8/16: Celebrating 80 Years Of Aer Lingus!

Tue Jun 07, 2016 4:56 am

Quoting teahan (Reply 109):
Does anyone have a recent experience connect DUB-IST-XXX recently? Does IST treat DUB like other EU "clean" arrivals and allow connecting passengers to proceed straight to the departures.

Last year I went straight into departures after arriving from DUB. Is it only for EU arrivals though or they have a list of clean destinations?
 
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RE: Irish 8/16: Celebrating 80 Years Of Aer Lingus!

Tue Jun 07, 2016 10:10 am

Anyone arrive in DUB last night? The stormy weather caused a few delays with aircraft holding & some unusual routes too! The FR from MAN came right down the Irish Sea & came inland over Bray & an EMA flight came inland north of Dundalk!

Apologies if already mentioned here but two European start ups have DUB in their plans, Cobalt from Cyprus & FlyOne from Moldova.
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RE: Irish 8/16: Celebrating 80 Years Of Aer Lingus!

Tue Jun 07, 2016 10:36 am

Quoting eicvd (Reply 111):
Anyone arrive in DUB last night?

Would not have wanted to be up in the air last night. That was some storm! Tropical it was.

Quoting eicvd (Reply 111):
Apologies if already mentioned here but two European start ups have DUB in their plans, Cobalt from Cyprus & FlyOne from Moldova.

Posted a while back about Cobalt but not heard about Flyone thanks for the update.

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Hard to believe TK are celebrating 10 years at DUB. The time has literally flown .
 
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RE: Irish 8/16: Celebrating 80 Years Of Aer Lingus!

Tue Jun 07, 2016 12:30 pm

9 weeks ago today I booked flights with EI to EWR paying a deposit on them. The following morning I found better flights & rang EI to cancel & was told since it was less than 24 hours later I was entitled to a full refund. Was told it could take up to 28days which I thought a bit rich but said ok.

28 days passed & nothing so rang again and was told "oh no it's 28 working days" so really we're talking 6 weeks. Given my knowledge of how easy a credit card refund process is, this to me was nonsense and I voiced this, but again accepted it.

28 working days passed and still zilch. Have now rang Aer Lingus a subsequent 4 times, the last 3 of which I spoke to a supervisor & on each occasion was promised it was being processed, apologised that it hadn't happened already & when I pushed as to why, no one could answer.

Today I rang again & was again told it hadn't been processed but again couldn't say why, "it had fallen between the cracks" but would 100% be done today....

What now?
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RE: Irish 8/16: Celebrating 80 Years Of Aer Lingus!

Tue Jun 07, 2016 2:19 pm

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 102):

Unlike the Irish, I don't think the Welsh could be described as inveterate travellers, although they are gradually becoming more adventurous! For this reason, I guess the volume of T/A connecting passengers on the CWL-DUB flight was just not sufficient to maintain the viability of the route particularly when many O&D passengers were probably lost to the lower (subsidised??) fares of Flybe.
 
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RE: Irish 8/16: Celebrating 80 Years Of Aer Lingus!

Tue Jun 07, 2016 2:21 pm

Quoting Eirules (Reply 113):
What now?

Call your card issuer and file a chargeback. You shouldn't have any issues with getting it resolved that way.
 
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RE: Irish 8/16: Celebrating 80 Years Of Aer Lingus!

Tue Jun 07, 2016 8:27 pm

Some news:

- The last VLM flight from Waterford departed today meaning the end of commercial flights from the airport for the time being.
- The first CityJet SSJ will fly the Irish team to Paris LBG tomorrow.
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RE: Irish 8/16: Celebrating 80 Years Of Aer Lingus!

Wed Jun 08, 2016 8:27 am

Cork Airport’s fortunes on the up as passenger numbers increase almost 10%

Growth of 9.6% was experienced last month and underlines an upward trend in the airport’s fortunes. Year to date passenger numbers at Ireland’s biggest and busiest international airport outside Dublin are up 8.4%.

Growth is projected to continue into the autumn as Cork Airport benefits from additional traffic on new summer services including Düsseldorf with Aer Lingus; Madrid with Iberia Express; and Leeds and Southampton with Aer Lingus Regional among new summer services this year.

Airport managing director Niall MacCarthy said he is delighted with the growth for May and the year to date.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland...ers-increase-almost-10-403662.html

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RE: Irish 8/16: Celebrating 80 Years Of Aer Lingus!

Wed Jun 08, 2016 9:50 am

VS to double the flights from BFS-MCO for Summer 2017. Also they will commence a new LGW-VRA with connections from BFS and DUB which will be great.
 
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RE: Irish 8/16: Celebrating 80 Years Of Aer Lingus!

Wed Jun 08, 2016 12:19 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 118):
connections from BFS and DUB which will be great.

How are they doing that? EI no longer fly BHD-LGW. Are VS somehow doing it on their own metal?
 
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RE: Irish 8/16: Celebrating 80 Years Of Aer Lingus!

Wed Jun 08, 2016 7:48 pm

Quoting teahan (Reply 109):
Does anyone have a recent experience connect DUB-IST-XXX recently?

Yes, back in January and again in March (recent enough?) and it was a seamless connection, walk from one plane/gate to the next. Despite its passenger throughput, IST is not that big (the IST-nua of tomorrow will be mahoosive, but it's a good while away yet). The price for an airside beer is though 
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RE: Irish 8/16: Celebrating 80 Years Of Aer Lingus!

Wed Jun 08, 2016 11:14 pm

Some holding delays into DUB again this evening & tonight due to the weather, fog this time. Some diversions to Belfast earlier & SNN later on. Great fun watching them from the garden, not much fun if you're onboard!
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RE: Irish 8/16: Celebrating 80 Years Of Aer Lingus!

Thu Jun 09, 2016 7:21 am

Quoting rnj13198 (Reply 119):

Who mentioned EI ?  
 
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RE: Irish 8/16: Celebrating 80 Years Of Aer Lingus!

Thu Jun 09, 2016 8:19 am

AFAIK the EI morning JFK service resumes this morning June 9th.

I'm afraid to ask whether its replacement, the Omni B762, has been delivered to SNN on time.

[Edited 2016-06-09 01:19:47]
 
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RE: Irish 8/16: Celebrating 80 Years Of Aer Lingus!

Thu Jun 09, 2016 10:58 am

Quoting 321neo (Reply 123):
I'm afraid to ask whether its replacement, the Omni B762, has been delivered to SNN on time.

Well a 763 did just depart SNN heading west, around the time EI135 to BOS was scheduled to take off so it looks like they got their aircraft. Whether it's in the 'Diet Aer Lingus' livery or not I'm not sure.
 
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RE: Irish 8/16: Celebrating 80 Years Of Aer Lingus!

Thu Jun 09, 2016 11:04 am

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 124):
Well a 763 did just depart SNN heading west

Is it still planned to be a 762, or has it now changed to a 763?
 
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RE: Irish 8/16: Celebrating 80 Years Of Aer Lingus!

Thu Jun 09, 2016 11:17 am

Another Record Month at DUB:

"Record Passenger Numbers In May At Dublin Airport"

Passenger numbers grew by 11% last month, with almost 2.5 million passengers travelling through the airport. This was the busiest May ever in the airport’s 76-year history.

Source: http://www.dublinairport.com/latest-...r-numbers-in-may-at-dublin-airport

Could we hit the 30 million mark this year?
 
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RE: Irish 8/16: Celebrating 80 Years Of Aer Lingus!

Thu Jun 09, 2016 11:21 am

Quite a lot of delays at DUB today. Knock on effects of the fog.

Boards at around 11am this morning :





Still nice to see the TS A310 back in town  http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/0F66618E-2072-4CF1-881A-BB2E16E7BC9C_zpshlg23kew.jpg
 
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RE: Irish 8/16: Celebrating 80 Years Of Aer Lingus!

Thu Jun 09, 2016 12:20 pm

Waterford Airport is still in line for millions of euro of taxpayers' money to extend its runway - despite having no scheduled air services any more.

I can understand how this may annoy certain members of the public, and it is dripping with Irish politics/cronyism. However, on the flip side, if WAT does get the extension, then 737's could fly in there. They only operator I could see is FR, but is there enough demand?

http://www.independent.ie/business/i...ing-its-last-flights-34783853.html
 
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RE: Irish 8/16: Celebrating 80 Years Of Aer Lingus!

Thu Jun 09, 2016 12:53 pm

Quoting KIRFlyer (Reply 128):
I can understand how this may annoy certain members of the public, and it is dripping with Irish politics/cronyism. However, on the flip side, if WAT does get the extension, then 737's could fly in there. They only operator I could see is FR, but is there enough demand?

FR to MAN, STN/LTN and FAO might work in a similar way that it works for KIR.
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RE: Irish 8/16: Celebrating 80 Years Of Aer Lingus!

Thu Jun 09, 2016 1:01 pm

Quoting KIRFlyer (Reply 128):

Must be some much needed IND politicians around the area that are needed to prop up the current coalition  

Still on a serious note I am not against it and if they can attract a few LCC then fair play to them. Maybe its time the recovery was felt in the regions !
 
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RE: Irish 8/16: Celebrating 80 Years Of Aer Lingus!

Thu Jun 09, 2016 3:53 pm

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 124):

Quoting 321neo (Reply 123):
I'm afraid to ask whether its replacement, the Omni B762, has been delivered to SNN on time.

Well a 763 did just depart SNN heading west, around the time EI135 to BOS was scheduled to take off so it looks like they got their aircraft. Whether it's in the 'Diet Aer Lingus' livery or not I'm not sure.

Yes the Omni 767 operated EI134 last night from BOS and EI-LBS then operated EI132 to DUB after doing the 135 rotation from SNN yesterday.
 
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RE: Irish 8/16: Celebrating 80 Years Of Aer Lingus!

Thu Jun 09, 2016 4:43 pm

EK are reducing their generous 30KG Y class baggage allowance on all ex DUB - DXB - XXX flights on their saver fares. This was very popular with workers from India/Pakistan/Philippines etc.. Will be interesting to see if TK/EY follow.
 
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RE: Irish 8/16: Celebrating 80 Years Of Aer Lingus!

Thu Jun 09, 2016 5:09 pm

Quoting KIRFlyer (Reply 128):

Reality is they are not as what is been offerend is not going to cover the cost. Until private sector funds it which I do not think it will happen for a long time, they will not receive the money.

I would love to see Easyjet return to the market and offer a service. Ryanair would be a bad move long term.

Wonder if WX may take a look again with the new jets it could be more cost effective than before.
 
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RE: Irish 8/16: Celebrating 80 Years Of Aer Lingus!

Thu Jun 09, 2016 5:12 pm

Quoting KIRFlyer (Reply 128):
if WAT does get the extension, then 737's could fly in there. They only operator I could see is FR, but is there enough demand?

It would be an ideal opportunity for FR to play off ORK citing high DAA charges.

Quoting JAmie2k9 (Reply 133):
Wonder if WX may take a look again with the new jets it could be more cost effective than before.

I don't think WX ever served WAT. Correct me if I'm wrong.
 
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Thu Jun 09, 2016 5:14 pm

Quoting JAmie2k9 (Reply 133):
Wonder if WX may take a look again with the new jets it could be more cost effective than before.

If their costbase couldn't make Cork work, an attmept to reduce to 2x daily and even the new arrival of the SSJ werent enough, I'd guess that WX wont be looking too closely. They have Zero brand recognition outside LCY, so not sure LTN would work. Even in LCY they have little recognition, they were AF for so many years.
 
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RE: Irish 8/16: Celebrating 80 Years Of Aer Lingus!

Thu Jun 09, 2016 6:09 pm

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 135):

Agreed that is what can happen when you operate for another carrier . When you look back everything was similar to AF ! Uniforms , interior , hell even the inflight magazine was an AF one .
 
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RE: Irish 8/16: Celebrating 80 Years Of Aer Lingus!

Thu Jun 09, 2016 6:33 pm

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 134):

No but I believe WAT had approached them after EIR pullout

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 135):

Fair point however LCY high cost was always going to be a big ask. A couple of million passengers who passed through LTN after VLM stated saw them advertising. The walk to customs was plastered with an add. The brad would spread quickly but what also spread with VLM was the exceptionally high fates. The route worked for solo travellers but thats it..
 
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RE: Irish 8/16: Celebrating 80 Years Of Aer Lingus!

Thu Jun 09, 2016 9:33 pm

Quoting EI121 (Reply 126):
"Record Passenger Numbers In May At Dublin Airport"Passenger numbers grew by 11% last month, with almost 2.5 million passengers travelling through the airport. This was the busiest May ever in the airport’s 76-year history. Source: http://www.dublinairport.com/latest-...r-numbers-in-may-at-dublin-airport Could we hit the 30 million mark this year?

I think that's quite possible. However, it is something of a concern that Africa//ME traffic is down compared to last year, despite the addition of ET flights. I wonder if the lack of the second EY flight is a factor. Even still, it does raise further concerns about a third carrier flying to the M/E.
 
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RE: Irish 8/16: Celebrating 80 Years Of Aer Lingus!

Thu Jun 09, 2016 9:49 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 138):

The drop is only around 2,000 passengers, expect ET are up EY slight down but the losses are from SSH, AGA and NBE all been cancelled which would of delivered 3,200-3,500 in 2015 and 0 this year.
 
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RE: Irish 8/16: Celebrating 80 Years Of Aer Lingus!

Fri Jun 10, 2016 7:50 am

Cant see Waterford ever being able to support a 737 service given previous experience of carriers to the UK.


More bad news on the GA front, a microlight aircraft went missing off the coast of Northern Ireland on Thursday. Routing from Derry to Scotland, efforts by Rescue 116 and lifeboats were suspended last night due to fog and are expected to resume today. Judging by how foggy it was in Howth yesterday for much of the time, followed by bright sun, it may be a difficult search.
 
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RE: Irish 8/16: Celebrating 80 Years Of Aer Lingus!

Fri Jun 10, 2016 10:26 am

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 134):

It would be an ideal opportunity for FR to play off ORK citing

Yes, but if FR pulled out of ORK or reduced their flights I think most Cork travellers would then just use EI for their Cork-London flights, so unless FR could offer incredibly low fares out of WAT to attract Cork travellers, they would simply be shooting themselves in the foot, particularly considering that the journey from Cork to Waterford is not that quick.

Quoting dstc47 (Reply 140):
Cant see Waterford ever being able to support a 737 service given previous experience of carriers to the UK.

I am inclined to agree, but then I think about Knock - who would have thought it would be able to support the range of services that now operate from there? So one never knows, FR with suitably attractive fares may just be able to generate enough new travellers to make a WAT to London service viable.
 
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RE: Irish 8/16: Celebrating 80 Years Of Aer Lingus!

Fri Jun 10, 2016 11:24 am

It looks like Stobart are trimming there fleet in the next few months which explains the route cuts.
 
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RE: Irish 8/16: Celebrating 80 Years Of Aer Lingus!

Fri Jun 10, 2016 12:14 pm

Quoting JAmie2k9 (Reply 142):
It looks like Stobart are trimming there fleet in the next few months which explains the route cuts.

Assume it's either the ATR 42s or ATR 72-500s?
 
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RE: Irish 8/16: Celebrating 80 Years Of Aer Lingus!

Fri Jun 10, 2016 12:29 pm

Any idea how long EI are keeping their sole A319 in Vueling scheme?
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RE: Irish 8/16: Celebrating 80 Years Of Aer Lingus!

Fri Jun 10, 2016 12:44 pm

Quoting 321neo (Reply 143):

Think 1 or both ATR 72-200 will be going, both will be 25 years old in the coming months. The person wasn't sure exactly how many are going and if further ATR 72-600 will enter service in 2017. Number 12 however is due early next week.

While the ATR 42's are slighly older I make off thy will hang onto them as long as possible for PSO services.

Would say the ATR 72-500 have plenty of time left as they are only 8 and 9 years old and currently with Flybe at SEN.

[Edited 2016-06-10 05:48:58]

[Edited 2016-06-10 05:49:34]
 
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RE: Irish 8/16: Celebrating 80 Years Of Aer Lingus!

Fri Jun 10, 2016 12:46 pm

Quoting winterlight (Reply 144):

Shouldn't be to much longer, A320 has been in maintenance in MAD for around a month now.
 
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RE: Irish 8/16: Celebrating 80 Years Of Aer Lingus!

Fri Jun 10, 2016 1:32 pm

Quoting JAmie2k9 (Reply 142):
It looks like Stobart are trimming there fleet in the next few months which explains the route cuts.

Next ATR-72 is being delivered today, reg. EI-FSK.
 
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RE: Irish 8/16: Celebrating 80 Years Of Aer Lingus!

Fri Jun 10, 2016 2:47 pm

Quoting JAmie2k9 (Reply 142):

I doubt if they are cutting their routes because they are trimming their fleet - I think it is probably the other way round and they are trimming their fleet because they are cutting (loss making?) routes!

Either way, it is unfortunate to see routes or fleet numbers being cut.
 
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RE: Irish 8/16: Celebrating 80 Years Of Aer Lingus!

Fri Jun 10, 2016 2:55 pm

Quoting JAmie2k9 (Reply 145):
While the ATR 42's are slighly older I make off thy will hang onto them as long as possible for PSO services.

Also they only require 1 cabin crew which further cuts costs, especially as KIR requires a hotel stay - not sure about CFN?
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