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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Wed Jun 29, 2016 6:53 am

Delivered yesterday and is about to touch down at its home base in ADD!
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Wed Jun 29, 2016 6:56 am

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Has MSN40 been delivered yet?


Delivered yesterday and is about to touch down at its home base in ADD!
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Wed Jun 29, 2016 7:11 am

Thank You for letting me know.
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tacobell101 wrote:
Has MSN40 been delivered yet?


Delivered yesterday and is about to touch down at its home base in ADD!
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It appears MSN41 is active https://www.flightradar24.com/4Y41/a2cd34a
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Wed Jun 29, 2016 7:56 am

Landed safely and here are some photos from Airbus pre-delivery:

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http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmEdHFCVAAAZUwn.jpg:large

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http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmGBK15WYAAfEAn.jpg:large

No press release yet but a nice video:
http://videos.airbus.com/video/6684e0acb11s.html
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Wed Jun 29, 2016 2:15 pm

Airbus press release:

Ethiopian Airlines takes delivery of its first A350 XWB
http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/news-e ... -a350-xwb/

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Thu Jun 30, 2016 6:20 am

MSN 37 (Singapore #4) is sporting its customer registration this morning, 9V-SMD. Should fly out to Singapore later today. 3rd and final delivery this month and 12th for the year. July equally looks slow. 3 or 4 deliveries tops. August has the potential to clean house if things start coming together.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Thu Jun 30, 2016 7:46 am

MSN 57 and 58 undergoing outstanding work in L70:

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Thu Jun 30, 2016 7:51 am

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
MSN 37 (Singapore #4) is sporting its customer registration this morning, 9V-SMD. Should fly out to Singapore later today. 3rd and final delivery this month and 12th for the year. July equally looks slow. 3 or 4 deliveries tops. August has the potential to clean house if things start coming together.
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And no sign of MSN 21.

July should see MSN 34 and 41 delivered. Not counting the Qatar frames anymore.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Thu Jun 30, 2016 9:35 am

DLH first A350 is now in S30, Lufthansa is much more active on sharing the development on their first A350 :)
https://twitter.com/lufthansaNews/statu ... 2265359361
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Thu Jun 30, 2016 2:36 pm

Lufthansa's second A350 also entered final assembly.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Thu Jun 30, 2016 4:22 pm

MSN 43 ET #2 undergoes cabin furnishing. Delivery is scheduled for August.

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Thu Jun 30, 2016 5:25 pm

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
MSN 37 (Singapore #4) is sporting its customer registration this morning, 9V-SMD. Should fly out to Singapore later today. 3rd and final delivery this month and 12th for the year. July equally looks slow. 3 or 4 deliveries tops. August has the potential to clean house if things start coming together.
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With the two-weeks holiday in TLS? I like your optimism.

On another matter, I wonder whether CX will have more in-service A350s than QR does, at the end of the year…
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Thu Jun 30, 2016 5:39 pm

Aircellist wrote:
With the two-weeks holiday in TLS? I like your optimism.


I'm sure I read that there would be no 'summer holiday' for the A350 and A320 lines this year?
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Thu Jun 30, 2016 7:27 pm

In case of new airplane types, Airbus works through the holidays.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Thu Jun 30, 2016 7:42 pm

Aircellist wrote:
hkcanadaexpat wrote:
MSN 37 (Singapore #4) is sporting its customer registration this morning, 9V-SMD. Should fly out to Singapore later today. 3rd and final delivery this month and 12th for the year. July equally looks slow. 3 or 4 deliveries tops. August has the potential to clean house if things start coming together.
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With the two-weeks holiday in TLS? I like your optimism.

On another matter, I wonder whether CX will have more in-service A350s than QR does, at the end of the year…


I bet CX will have a bigger A350 fleet!

I wonder if any Airbus insider knows what is delaying these A350's.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Thu Jun 30, 2016 9:11 pm

Couple additional photos about the outstanding work on MSN 57 & 58:

ImageTLS4 by Robert Belcher, on Flickr

ImageTLS3 by Robert Belcher, on Flickr
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Jul 01, 2016 4:39 am

Qatara340 wrote:
Aircellist wrote:
hkcanadaexpat wrote:
MSN 37 (Singapore #4) is sporting its customer registration this morning, 9V-SMD. Should fly out to Singapore later today. 3rd and final delivery this month and 12th for the year. July equally looks slow. 3 or 4 deliveries tops. August has the potential to clean house if things start coming together.
A


With the two-weeks holiday in TLS? I like your optimism.

On another matter, I wonder whether CX will have more in-service A350s than QR does, at the end of the year…


I bet CX will have a bigger A350 fleet!

I wonder if any Airbus insider knows what is delaying these A350's.


Yes, CX will have a bigger fleet. My point was that, with the deliveries for QR stuck like they seem to be, when will CX overtake QR? It was not supposed to happen in short order, but I guess it might, now…
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Jul 01, 2016 7:56 am

Are QR in financial trouble?

If I were running Airbus, I would move them down the production table completely, and demand in future they take their aircraft on the due delivery day.

They are simply not worth the effort for A or B. There are plenty of other carriers that would accept and pay for their delivery slots. QR are an embarrassment and someone should have the guts to tell them so and take action. The customer is not always right and respect has to be earned.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Jul 01, 2016 8:53 am

[quote="uta999"]
They are simply not worth the effort for A or B. quote]

With around 200 ongoing orders, I highly doubt so. QR is known to be a very pick customer, I imagine A and B takes this into account during commercial negotiations. If a deal is made, then you have to play the game and commit. Moreover, since QR is more sensible to quality than to cost, it is difficult to negotiate paid concession with them, they don't care about getting a small discount to take delivery of a frame with some open non-conformities, which is usually how it works.
I think QR attitude will benifit the manufacturers in improving their On-Quality commitments.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Jul 01, 2016 10:11 am

uta999 wrote:
Are QR in financial trouble?

If I were running Airbus, I would move them down the production table completely, and demand in future they take their aircraft on the due delivery day.

They are simply not worth the effort for A or B. There are plenty of other carriers that would accept and pay for their
delivery slots. QR are an embarrassment and someone should have the guts to tell them so and take action.
The customer is not always right and respect has to be earned.


I pretty much doubt that neither Airbus or Boeing can decide for themselves that a certain customer should have it's orders moved
down the production schedule. First all orders are signed contracts and as long as the customer fullfils it's contractual
obligation, there isn't much A or B could do. Just being picky about the quality is hardly a contract breach (unless there clauses
in the contract about the quality level or etc).
Secondly production is planned far ahead so a sudden larger change in the production schedule would likely be a major supply
nightmare, especially for customer specific equipment like seats and IFE. Then the other customers perhaps don't want to
receive their ordered planes to early since that would cause problem in their schedule with personnel training/educations,
retirement of the current aircraft in the fleet and etc.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Jul 01, 2016 10:14 am

euroflyer wrote:
uta999 wrote:
They are simply not worth the effort for A or B. quote]

With around 200 ongoing orders, I highly doubt so. QR is known to be a very pick customer, I imagine A and B takes this into account during commercial negotiations. If a deal is made, then you have to play the game and commit. Moreover, since QR is more sensible to quality than to cost, it is difficult to negotiate paid concession with them, they don't care about getting a small discount to take delivery of a frame with some open non-conformities, which is usually how it works.
I think QR attitude will benifit the manufacturers in improving their On-Quality commitments.


I'm not buying it, it shouldn't take 4 months to address a quality issue.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Jul 01, 2016 10:48 am

MSN 37 SQ #4 delivery flight to SIN per Skyliner:

Airbus A350 -941 37 9V-SMD Singapore Airlines delivery 01jul16 TLS-SIN ex F-WZGF
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Jul 01, 2016 10:59 am

KarelXWB wrote:
MSN 37 SQ #4 delivery flight to SIN per Skyliner:

Airbus A350 -941 37 9V-SMD Singapore Airlines delivery 01jul16 TLS-SIN ex F-WZGF


I do expect this to be contractually delivered June, ref it showed its final registration yesterday, so Airbus should report three delivered for June
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Jul 01, 2016 11:01 am

MSN 41 (Singapore #5) completed its first ER yesterday. RTO likely on Monday. First flight could also be next week.
MSN 32 (Cathay #3) should move to the flightline imminently.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Jul 01, 2016 11:50 am

KarelXWB wrote:
euroflyer wrote:
uta999 wrote:
They are simply not worth the effort for A or B. quote]

With around 200 ongoing orders, I highly doubt so. QR is known to be a very pick customer, I imagine A and B takes this into account during commercial negotiations. If a deal is made, then you have to play the game and commit. Moreover, since QR is more sensible to quality than to cost, it is difficult to negotiate paid concession with them, they don't care about getting a small discount to take delivery of a frame with some open non-conformities, which is usually how it works.
I think QR attitude will benifit the manufacturers in improving their On-Quality commitments.


I'm not buying it, it shouldn't take 4 months to address a quality issue.


Well, I myself didn't believe that an alarm issue could lead to postopone BER airport opening by more than 7 years, but turns out it did...
Just to say that a minor issue can require an impressive recovery plan, even more when dozens of suppliers and subcontractors are involded in a same work-package and when each of them is having its own dozen of suppliers to handle. And apart from supply-chain issues, you can face design issues. These kind of issues clearly take several weeks to shoot, even more so when you're not building a standard product.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:12 pm

MSN 42 QR #13 can be seen in C63 hangar below, looks almost finished.

The CX A350 on the left is MSN 39, the one on the right is probably MSN 38 (MSN 32 is located in another building).

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:44 pm

MSN 55 ex-UL joined MSN 46 at the A380 storage area. Plane has been painted fully white, just like MSN 52.

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Jul 01, 2016 1:56 pm

MSN 37 SQ #4 delivery flight to SIN per Skyliner:


Now on the way home to SIN:

http://www.flightradar24.com/SIA8895
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Jul 01, 2016 2:19 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
MSN 42 QR #13 can be seen in C63 hangar below, looks almost finished.

The CX A350 on the left is MSN 39, the one on the right is probably MSN 38 (MSN 32 is located in another building).


"Looks almost finished", I like your optimism :)
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Jul 01, 2016 3:03 pm

MSN 21 QR #9 has been delivered.

Airbus A350 -941 21 A7-ALI Qatar Airways delivery 01jul16 TLS-DOH ex F-WZFP
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Jul 01, 2016 3:46 pm

4th A350 Singapore Airlines on delivery flight this afternoon !

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Jul 01, 2016 3:50 pm

MSN 21 QR #9 has been delivered.

Airbus A350 -941 21 A7-ALI Qatar Airways delivery 01jul16 TLS-DOH ex F-WZFP


Maybe one more "present" from AAB to Airbus! Accepting MSN21 on July 1st and not on June 30th... missing the revenue for Q.2. ;)
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Jul 01, 2016 3:51 pm

It might have been delivered on June 30 with the delivery flight the day after. We should find out soon.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sat Jul 02, 2016 11:20 am

MSN 39 CX emerged from cabin fit to the flight line, overtaking both MSN 32 and 38.

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MSN 44 TG too emerged from cabin fit today.

ImageA350 THAI HS-THB msn44 F-WZGQ by theo franchi, on Flickr

MSN 67 VN has moved to the A11 pavilion.

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sat Jul 02, 2016 1:39 pm

MSN 21 QR #9 delivery flight to DOH:

https://fr24.com/QTR3350/a35fe2f
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sat Jul 02, 2016 1:43 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
MSN 21 QR #9 delivery flight to DOH:

https://fr24.com/QTR3350/a35fe2f

At last! Nevertheless, I'm glad that it's happening :D
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sun Jul 03, 2016 6:19 am

Does anybody have an idea when will Etihad get its A350.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sun Jul 03, 2016 9:03 am

Sayan777 wrote:
Does anybody have an idea when will Etihad get its A350.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sun Jul 03, 2016 10:15 am

Is there a link to a spreadsheet with details of deliveries so far and progress of frames in production?
 
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Mon Jul 04, 2016 11:12 am

Another photo and press release of MSN 44:

http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/news-e ... ght-tests/

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Mon Jul 04, 2016 1:14 pm

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Mon Jul 04, 2016 6:22 pm

The updated a350 airport and maintenance document is now available.... and it includes the Payload/range chart.

http://www.airbus.com/fileadmin/media_g ... -Jun16.pdf
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Jul 05, 2016 5:58 am

MSN 41 (Singapore #5) completed its RTO yesterday. First flight scheduled this week. MSN 44 (Thai #1) was powered up for the first time early this morning. MSN 34 (Cathay #2) should have a final test flight this week before moving to the delivery centre for a mid-month delivery.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Jul 05, 2016 7:46 am

MSN 83 QR #19 rear fuselage section has been spotted in XFW and will be shipped to TLS shorty.

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Wed Jul 06, 2016 10:21 am

Today's activity per FR24:

- MSN 25 QR online
- MSN 34 CX third flight, call sign AIB03GC
- MSN 41 SQ first flight, call sign AIB01GN
- MSN 44 TG online
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Wed Jul 06, 2016 10:22 am

ap305 wrote:
The updated a350 airport and maintenance document is now available.... and it includes the Payload/range chart.

http://www.airbus.com/fileadmin/media_g ... -Jun16.pdf


Thank you ap305. This new version of the "ACAP" document is indeed very interesting.

I used the updated document to calculate the OEW. My understanding is that MZFW=OEW+MSP
where MSP=Maximum Structural Payload.

From the above document I extracted the MSP for both the A350-900 and A350-1000:
A359 payload/range: section 3-2-0 page 2: MSP is 53 300 kg
A35K payload/range: section 3-2-0 page 3: MSP is 64 200 kg

The A359 currently comes currently is 7 variants: I made the hypothesis that the payload/range diagram is made against the most capabale weight variant: WV001.
A359/WV001 MZFW is 195 700 kg
Hence, the OEW is 142 400 kg

The A35K currently comes currently is 1 variant: WV001.
A35K/WV001 MZFW is 220 000 kg
Hence, the OEW is 155 800 kg

The OEW of the A35K is inline with various discussions on airliners.net. However, the indications by ferpe (Bjorn Fehrm) was that the A359 OEW was 135 000 kg...
See:
A350 OEW REVEALED? (viewtopic.php?t=767509)
AIRBUS REVEALS A350-1000 OEW (viewtopic.php?t=768377)

Did the A359 OEW increase from the projected 135t to 142t ?
Or is there an issue with the above data ?
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Wed Jul 06, 2016 10:24 am

That's a bit of an old discussion, the OEW has been 142t for years now.

The first A350 ACAP documents had the OEW listed, but now it has been removed.

As for the A350-1000, its OEW is exactly where Airbus claimed it would be several years ago:

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Wed Jul 06, 2016 10:58 am

[quote="KarelXWB"]Today's activity per FR24:

- MSN 41 SQ first flight, call sign AIB01GN

Yeap. She's airborne.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Wed Jul 06, 2016 1:36 pm

MSN 34 CX has just moved to the delivery centre.

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