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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Oct 21, 2016 1:35 pm

MSN 64 JJ #6 second flight today.

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Oct 21, 2016 6:09 pm

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MSN 36 (Qatar #12) has made its way to the delivery centre overnight. First CAF imminent.


MSN 56 VN #5 also moved to the delivery centre today.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Oct 21, 2016 6:20 pm

any spotters going to SFO on Sunday 23rd.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sat Oct 22, 2016 8:29 am

Looks like MSN46 ready for its delivery flight https://www.flightradar24.com/CPA3334/b6299fe


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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sat Oct 22, 2016 8:56 am

It seems Airbus is still determined to meet its target of 50 deliveries this year.
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... et-430515/

It means an average of 11 deliveries per month for November and December. A real test for Airbus. I'd guess some folks in Toulouse won't be going for Christmas this year.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sat Oct 22, 2016 10:31 am

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B-LRF for CX was supposed to arrive today but delayed because of a typhoon in Hong Kong.

Now Flying home as CPA3334 https://www.flightradar24.com/CPA3334/b6299fe
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sat Oct 22, 2016 10:46 am

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It means an average of 11 deliveries per month for November and December. A real test for Airbus. I'd guess some folks in Toulouse won't be going for Christmas this year.

Those numbers are not quite right. We're already @ 29. will end Oct @ 31 or 32 depending on whether LATAM sneaks in MSN 64. That means an average of ~9 for each of November/December vs. an average of 6 in the last few months.

I have no doubt Airbus will everything in its power to get to 50 but one needs to bear in mind that in order to achieve that it will need cooperation from customers, more significantly Qatar Airways which are notoriously picky and for whom we have seen every single frame get delayed on its delivery for xyz reason. And the delays keep piling up. Less than 50 days ago, Qatar expected MSN 36 end of Sep, MSN 42 end of Oct, MSN 47 mid Dec and MSN 69 mid Dec. Now MSN 36 is end Oct., 42 is 3rd week of Nov, 47 Dec? and 69 looks pushed out to Jan.

All i'm saying is Airbus working to deliver 50 by year end is only half the equation. What happens to Qatar, Cathay and Aercap's 3 unallocated frames will go a long way in seeing whether Airbus meets their goal.

For what its worth, i get to 50 on the dot including MSN 52/55 to Aercap. Otherwise i get to 48. (29 so far + 36/56 in Oct, 64/42/58/52/53/57/55/61/62 in Nov and 47/66/67/68/73/74/77/79/75/81 in Dec).
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sat Oct 22, 2016 11:18 am

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
Those numbers are not quite right. We're already @ 29. will end Oct @ 31 or 32 depending on whether LATAM sneaks in MSN 64. That means an average of ~9 for each of November/December vs. an average of 6 in the last few months.


So number of deliveries were: Sep 4, Aug 6, Jul 4, Jun 2
That's hardly an average of 6 in the last few months

I don't see how they get to 50 this year.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sat Oct 22, 2016 11:37 am

Blotto wrote:
hkcanadaexpat wrote:
Those numbers are not quite right. We're already @ 29. will end Oct @ 31 or 32 depending on whether LATAM sneaks in MSN 64. That means an average of ~9 for each of November/December vs. an average of 6 in the last few months.


So number of deliveries were: Sep 4, Aug 6, Jul 4, Jun 2
That's hardly an average of 6 in the last few months.

I don't see how they get to 50 this year.


September is 5,according to Airbus. They delivered one to Latam on 30 September. Delivered does not main it has to fly to is new home. The 3 for Aercap will probably get formally delivered, but won't leave Toulouse.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sat Oct 22, 2016 12:42 pm

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I don't see how they get to 50 this year.

Either do I.

You must add to all those arguments 3 Airbus prototypes that are consuming a lot of manpower and space in the FAL.
They will reach a very high number of deliveries, but I fear it will be less then 50.
In any case, the ramp up is a success, it's simply a bet too much. Don't stay focused on this round number, even 45 would be a great achievement.
Just wait until jan 1st and see how far they are.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sun Oct 23, 2016 12:03 am

Blotto wrote:
I don't see how they get to 50 this year.


I don't see the big deal in "50 x A350 deliveries this year"...

Yeah, 50 is half of a century. The number 50 is in A350. There are a few trivial reasons.

But, whether Airbus delivery 49 or 51 A350's this year won't make a shred of difference in securing them any more orders.

Is this really a big deal for Airbus? Are they going to put a special sticker on the 50th A350 delivered in 2016 if they get there saying "50th A350 delivered in year 1"? No, I don't think so.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sun Oct 23, 2016 7:28 am

777Jet wrote:
I don't see the big deal in "50 x A350 deliveries this year"...

Yeah, 50 is half of a century. The number 50 is in A350. There are a few trivial reasons.

But, whether Airbus delivery 49 or 51 A350's this year won't make a shred of difference in securing them any more orders.

Is this really a big deal for Airbus? Are they going to put a special sticker on the 50th A350 delivered in 2016 if they get there saying "50th A350 delivered in year 1"? No, I don't think so.



Its not so much about the number produced but how they are ramping up production. Airbus never put a precise number on the amount of aircraft they wanted to deliver this year, but there has to be a increase from the last year as production ramps up. Its like the threads where posters were comparing the amount of deliveries to the 787 in its first few years and totally ignoring what the aims of the company are regarding production.

The numbers delivered are for A vs B threads on here only.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:22 am

Eyad89 wrote:
It seems Airbus is still determined to meet its target of 50 deliveries this year.
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... et-430515/

It means an average of 11 deliveries per month for November and December. A real test for Airbus. I'd guess some folks in Toulouse won't be going for Christmas this year.


Not sure where you are getting 11 from. According to Air&Cosmos, there are 6 deliveries planned in October, 9 in November and 10 in December.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:22 am

enzo011 wrote:
Its not so much about the number produced but how they are ramping up production.


Tell that to the airlines who have had to change their growth plans because of on-going delays!
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:28 am

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Is this really a big deal for Airbus? Are they going to put a special sticker on the 50th A350 delivered in 2016 if they get there saying "50th A350 delivered in year 1"? No, I don't think so.


People seem to be obsessed with rounded numbers somehow. Who really cares about the 10,000th Airbus delivery? I mean, it's just a number after 9999 and before 10,001.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:49 am

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The 3 for Aercap will probably get formally delivered, but won't leave Toulouse.


Most white tail A330s go to LDE or LETL after formal delivery.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:52 am

Are these true white tails as they are no longer on the manufacturers books.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sun Oct 23, 2016 9:00 am

Blotto wrote:
hkcanadaexpat wrote:
Those numbers are not quite right. We're already @ 29. will end Oct @ 31 or 32 depending on whether LATAM sneaks in MSN 64. That means an average of ~9 for each of November/December vs. an average of 6 in the last few months.


So number of deliveries were: Sep 4, Aug 6, Jul 4, Jun 2
That's hardly an average of 6 in the last few months

I don't see how they get to 50 this year.


We can't just look at the last few months and draw conclusions. As the A350 is still in a ramp-up phase, there will be more deliveries at the end of of the year. It's as simple as that. August and September are already pretty good months compared to the first half of the year.

We must also not forget that Airbus production flow is not streamlined. There is always a big delivery push in December across all products (A320s, A330s and A380s).

This is something Airbus wants to tackle in the future, see Airbus Tackles Its Procrastination Problem

For now it's just what it is. We can expect deliveries to drop again in January, and pile up towards the end of the year.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sun Oct 23, 2016 9:18 am

MSN 59 appears to have moved from the flight line to the test centre. You know, that building where the guys in red suit board the airplane.

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sun Oct 23, 2016 9:30 am

I wasn't told that october 2016 will be shortened and be only 25 days :D

Looks like the airframe is ready
Let's see the engines
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sun Oct 23, 2016 10:02 am

777Jet wrote:
I don't see the big deal in "50 x A350 deliveries this year"...

Yeah, 50 is half of a century. The number 50 is in A350. There are a few trivial reasons.

But, whether Airbus delivery 49 or 51 A350's this year won't make a shred of difference in securing them any more orders.

Is this really a big deal for Airbus? Are they going to put a special sticker on the 50th A350 delivered in 2016 if they get there saying "50th A350 delivered in year 1"? No, I don't think so.


They anounced "at least 50 A350s this year" at the start of the year to the shareholders. So that's their lower bar that they were sure to achieve. Since each aircraft that still stands in TLS at Jan 1st will have a direct impact on the earnings this number is of course important. If they end up at 45, shareholders will have a good point on why there was no warning that there is a billion € in income missing.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sun Oct 23, 2016 10:57 am

Aviaponcho wrote:
I wasn't told that october 2016 will be shortened and be only 25 days :D

Looks like the airframe is ready
Let's see the engines


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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sun Oct 23, 2016 11:01 am

Aviaponcho wrote:
I wasn't told that october 2016 will be shortened and be only 25 days :D

Looks like the airframe is ready
Let's see the engines


Sure, I'll even throw in a couple of 6 wheel maingears.

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sun Oct 23, 2016 11:27 pm

Blotto wrote:
They anounced "at least 50 A350s this year" at the start of the year to the shareholders. So that's their lower bar that they were sure to achieve. Since each aircraft that still stands in TLS at Jan 1st will have a direct impact on the earnings this number is of course important. If they end up at 45, shareholders will have a good point on why there was no warning that there is a billion € in income missing.


Valid reason then. I had forgotten about that announcement.

CX Flyboy wrote:
enzo011 wrote:
Its not so much about the number produced but how they are ramping up production.


Tell that to the airlines who have had to change their growth plans because of on-going delays!


I'm sure those who want / need to delay their deliveries wouldn't mind any delays ;)
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Mon Oct 24, 2016 3:15 am

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Aviaponcho wrote:
I wasn't told that october 2016 will be shortened and be only 25 days :D

Looks like the airframe is ready
Let's see the engines


Sure, I'll even throw in a couple of 6 wheel maingears.

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Mon Oct 24, 2016 12:12 pm

MSN 64 (LATAM #6) just departed on a 3rd test flight. Should move to the delivery centre soon.

MSN 61 (Cathay #9) just powered on for the first time on the flightline.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Mon Oct 24, 2016 12:37 pm

BoeingVista wrote:
Aviaponcho wrote:
I wasn't told that october 2016 will be shortened and be only 25 days :D

Looks like the airframe is ready
Let's see the engines


Sure, I'll even throw in a couple of 6 wheel maingears.

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Mon Oct 24, 2016 7:35 pm

MSN 52 completed its RTO today, first flight should follow soon.

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Oct 25, 2016 8:15 am

MSN 56 VN #5 ready for its CAF:

https://fr24.com/AIB05FC/b69f840
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Oct 25, 2016 8:28 am

PhilDur wrote:
...but I fear it will be less then 50. ...


Don't be scared, it's just a number :P
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Oct 25, 2016 8:55 am

A nice close-up shot of MSN 80 LH #2 and MSN 87 LH #3:

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:05 am

Initial engine run for MSN 57 (China Airlines #2). Delivery mid-Nov. Second test flight for MSN 42 (Qatar #13). Delivery also mid-Nov.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:56 am

Sure for non 787 operators these days are serious.... for the 787 operators waiting for 350's it must seem like no delay at all :D
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Oct 25, 2016 12:02 pm

itisi wrote:
Sure for non 787 operators these days are serious.... for the 787 operators waiting for 350's it must seem like no delay at all :D


hahaha! Perspective...
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Wed Oct 26, 2016 8:52 am

KarelXWB wrote:
MSN 56 VN #5 ready for its CAF:

https://fr24.com/AIB05FC/b69f840


A nice photo of MSN 56 departing on its CAF yesterday:

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Wed Oct 26, 2016 8:57 am

KarelXWB wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
MSN 56 VN #5 ready for its CAF:

https://fr24.com/AIB05FC/b69f840


A nice photo of MSN 56 departing on its CAF yesterday:

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Caf msn56 F-WZFC 25/10/2016 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr


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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Wed Oct 26, 2016 12:09 pm

Msn52 preparing for her FF https://www.flightradar24.com/AIB01FA/b6cc886
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Thu Oct 27, 2016 7:46 am

MSN 62 (Singapore #7) was powered on for the first time this morning. Also looks like delivery for MSN 36 (Qatar #12) has slipped into early Nov. We're looking at 4 contractual deliveries for Oct. (incl. upcoming MSN 56 - Vietnam #5) bringing the year total to 30. November looks healthy though as Airbus tries to reach its goal of 50. I've got up to 9 deliveries (36>64>58>42>52>57>53>61>62) all of which are already on the flightline. That would leave 11 for December to hit the mark.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Thu Oct 27, 2016 7:50 am

PhilDur wrote:
Msn52 preparing for her FF https://www.flightradar24.com/AIB01FA/b6cc886
Edit : airborn


=>

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First flight msn52 F-WZFA 26/10/2016 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

Also MSN 60 was pulled out of storage, maybe it will get its cabin installed like MSN 52 and 55.

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Thu Oct 27, 2016 12:24 pm

MSN 53 (Cathay #8) just completed its RTO & MSN 64 (LATAM #6) is lining up for its 4th test flight.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Thu Oct 27, 2016 12:43 pm

MSN 57 CI #2 heading for its first flight:

https://fr24.com/AIB01FF/b6fb261
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Thu Oct 27, 2016 2:17 pm

I see AIB04FN coming in back to land…
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Thu Oct 27, 2016 2:31 pm

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I see AIB04FN coming in back to land…

Let's hope not, because a FF program is much longer than that. It would mean a problem has been discovered in the first tests and FF is then stoped before full completion.You'll notice somme flying over FL400 and some fast descent.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Thu Oct 27, 2016 2:32 pm

AIB04FN is the 4th flight... most likely it was a short recheck flight.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Oct 28, 2016 3:42 am

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AIB04FN is the 4th flight... most likely it was a short recheck flight.


Looked like that. I only wanted to contribute constructively to the thread :)
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Oct 28, 2016 7:46 am

It was a reply to PhilDur ;)

AIB01FF = MSN 57 first flight (01 = first, FF = F-WZFF)
AIB04FN = MSN 64 fourth flight (04 = fourth, FN = F-WZFN)
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Oct 28, 2016 7:53 am

Also it looks - according to the tracking spreadsheet - as if MSN100 has entered the FAL Body Join.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Oct 28, 2016 1:46 pm

MSN36 QR #12 reading for its first CAF:

https://fr24.com/AIB04GE/b727803
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Oct 28, 2016 4:00 pm

I see AIB01FB in flight
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Oct 28, 2016 4:57 pm

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I see AIB01FB in flight


MSN53 first flight

https://www.flightradar24.com/AIB01FB/b722bc1

edit to add Flightradar24 info

second edit because I found the correct info on the A350 spreadsheet :)
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