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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Nov 04, 2016 12:48 pm

From FR24 it looks like the -1000 has been doing taxi tests today.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Nov 04, 2016 1:30 pm

The -1000 is now sitting at the flightline with a code of AIB1

I wonder if the RTO (low speed first) is coming up soon.

Code has changed to AIB1RTO so it looks like it could be this afternoon.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Nov 04, 2016 1:46 pm

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Looks as if several engine runs on the -1000.....when can we expect first flight?

She even appears on FR24 with a long awaited callsign "AIB1RTO". https://www.flightradar24.com/AIB1RTO/b83ef6c
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Nov 04, 2016 1:54 pm

So if RTO takes place today, FF on Monday?
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Nov 04, 2016 2:55 pm

MSN 59 is moving on the taxiway:

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Nov 04, 2016 3:01 pm

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So if RTO takes place today, FF on Monday?


Saturday isn't a bad day for a FF too! :) We'll see!
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Nov 04, 2016 3:13 pm

N14AZ wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
StTim wrote:
I see the -1000 has been in the engine run area for another engine run today.

A380_TLS_A350[/url], on Flickr

Wow, these are huge chocks, aren't they?


After the brand new Etihad A340 they wrote off years ago, I don't think they are taking any chances.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Nov 04, 2016 3:13 pm

In the meantime MSN 64 JJ #6 departed on its first CAF:

https://fr24.com/AIB05FN/b83e6f5
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Nov 04, 2016 3:34 pm

That was a short flight for MSN64 - It was back before 059 did it's RTO.

I couldn't see from FR24 but I presume this was a low speed RTO and there will then be a high speed one before we get to first flight.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Nov 04, 2016 3:37 pm

It was a low speed RTO, not faster than 30 kts. Normal RTO is above 60 kts.

However, it seems MSN 59 is lining-up again. Second RTO?
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Nov 04, 2016 3:41 pm

Second RTO @ 60 kts:

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Nov 04, 2016 3:43 pm

itisi wrote:
Any chance we can just talk about the A350....

That would be nice! Unbelievable how easily people get sidetracked and all because they are too lazy to start a new relevant thread covering their particular topic!
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Nov 04, 2016 3:44 pm

Going round for a third RTO.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Nov 04, 2016 3:48 pm

MSN 59 is not done yet, going for a 3rd round!

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Nov 04, 2016 3:50 pm

And a fourth RTO. One wonders what they are testing. The second and third seem to have been similar speed runs.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Nov 04, 2016 3:56 pm

Now up to 70 kts:

On the ground, ground speed 70 kts, heading southeast 143.4°, 1.01 nmi north of map centre at 351.9°. Squawking 7776.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Nov 04, 2016 4:07 pm

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Nov 04, 2016 4:11 pm

Et hop, 5th round up to 90 kts :)

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Nov 04, 2016 4:13 pm

Heading back to the flighline now.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Nov 04, 2016 4:13 pm

The way they are progressing it wont surprise me if the call sign changes and the camera aircraft takes of in a few minutes followed by..... :)
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Nov 04, 2016 4:17 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
Et hop, 5th round up to 90 kts :)


Nice ! FF is now due in the coming days with a high probability for tomorow.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Nov 04, 2016 10:33 pm

MSN 63 is very much alive and emerged from final assembly.

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Nov 04, 2016 11:01 pm

Nice pic of MSN 59 completing its first RTO:

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RTO(s) low speed msn59 F-WMIL 4/11/2016 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Nov 04, 2016 11:50 pm

audidudi wrote:
itisi wrote:
Any chance we can just talk about the A350....

That would be nice! Unbelievable how easily people get sidetracked and all because they are too lazy to start a new relevant thread covering their particular topic!



Suitable chastised..... & thank you for noticing.
Just great to see the A350-1000 moving under it`s own power.
Fingers crossed for FF tomorrow, although Monday is more likely?
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Nov 04, 2016 11:57 pm

Great to see some good progress. Now .... CX A351 :P
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sat Nov 05, 2016 4:56 am

Aircellist wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
Aircellist wrote:
So that makes MSN 59's first flight at or around beginning november, and first delivery at least ten months later, I suppose.


Where is this speculation coming from? First flight is currently scheduled for October.


The quoted tweet spoke about around 50 more days.

"1st A350-1000 MSN59 (F-WMIL) will not airborne tomorrow.
Still need almost 50 days more.
Trent XWB-97 tests ongoing"

(in https://twitter.com/A350Blog/status/773576790065438720)

I don't know if those were work days or calendar days, but calendar days, that gives us late october. Beginning november is not far around. But you are right, it is speculation.


Seems my early september (educated) speculation was spot on.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sat Nov 05, 2016 5:12 am

Does the 359 have more range than the 788?
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sat Nov 05, 2016 8:33 am

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Does the 359 have more range than the 788?


The A350-900 is an ultra-long haul capable aircraft and can also be ordered in an ULR version, if required. It is capable of flying the worlds longest routes, for example Singapore to New York. The A350-900 is a replacement for the A340-500. Its nearest competitor is the 777-200 LR and the coming 777-8. The 788 is a significantly smaller aircraft, more comparable to the A330-800 in size and range capabilities.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sat Nov 05, 2016 1:12 pm

N14AZ wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
StTim wrote:
I see the -1000 has been in the engine run area for another engine run today.

A380_TLS_A350[/url], on Flickr

Wow, these are huge chocks, aren't they?

I think when you do engine run ups you need bigger chocks ;)

btw. I do like the looks of the A35K ;)
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sat Nov 05, 2016 1:18 pm

Following on from the IAG Capital Market Day, it looks like the entire IAG order (though not including QR, which owns part of IAG!) has been deferred; that includes the BA A350-1000s, the EI A350-900s (the first of which, LN 197, had been on the prod. list for a while, but is now shown as VN) and also, IB.

It's part of IAG's plan to reduce CAPEX as a result of Brexit.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sat Nov 05, 2016 2:12 pm

kaitak wrote:
Following on from the IAG Capital Market Day, it looks like the entire IAG order (though not including QR, which owns part of IAG!) has been deferred; that includes the BA A350-1000s, the EI A350-900s (the first of which, LN 197, had been on the prod. list for a while, but is now shown as VN) and also, IB.

It's part of IAG's plan to reduce CAPEX as a result of Brexit.


Ah [email protected]#king brexit, the gift that keeps on giving...
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sat Nov 05, 2016 4:56 pm

Here's a video for the RTO.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKSXffyDqLc

well, the 4% increase in wing area is pretty noticeable I would say.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sat Nov 05, 2016 5:07 pm

MSN 68 SQ #8 rolled out to the flight line.

https://fr24.com/FWZGY/b86cb45
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sat Nov 05, 2016 6:48 pm

Eyad89 wrote:
Here's a video for the RTO.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKSXffyDqLc

well, the 4% increase in wing area is pretty noticeable I would say.


Is it just my imagination or does the lighting package look different on the 1000? The 900 IIRC is combination of h.i.d and led while this looks all led including the nose gear lighting.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sun Nov 06, 2016 5:27 pm

MSN36 (QR#12, A7-ALL) has been delivered (FINALLY!)
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sun Nov 06, 2016 5:58 pm

Is there any solid news from AerCap side, as who may be the final operators of MSN 52 / 55 & 60? (Those 3 frames previously destined for SriLankan)

The photo of MSN 52 shows a totally white neutral bodied frame, meaning that it's still under AerCap's inventory...
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sun Nov 06, 2016 8:17 pm

Question for the experts out there.
Does the engine need its type certification to enable the first flight???
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sun Nov 06, 2016 9:12 pm

mafaky wrote:
Is there any solid news from AerCap side, as who may be the final operators of MSN 52 / 55 & 60? (Those 3 frames previously destined for SriLankan)

The photo of MSN 52 shows a totally white neutral bodied frame, meaning that it's still under AerCap's inventory...


They will go to AerCap initially but there was a story Sichuan will be taking three A350s from AerCap starting in February 2017. Not solid but .....

Geoff
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Mon Nov 07, 2016 6:43 am

lowbank wrote:
Question for the experts out there.
Does the engine need its type certification to enable the first flight???


No, seems not.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Mon Nov 07, 2016 11:22 am

kaitak wrote:
Following on from the IAG Capital Market Day, it looks like the entire IAG order (though not including QR, which owns part of IAG!) has been deferred; that includes the BA A350-1000s, the EI A350-900s (the first of which, LN 197, had been on the prod. list for a while, but is now shown as VN) and also, IB.

It's part of IAG's plan to reduce CAPEX as a result of Brexit.


I see from another thread that this relates to A350s for delivery from 2020, so as the first BA (and IB) A350s are being delivered before that, they should (hopefully) not be affected.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Mon Nov 07, 2016 11:28 am

Tedd wrote:
Fingers crossed for FF tomorrow, although Monday is more likely?

So? Any news?
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Mon Nov 07, 2016 12:30 pm

N14AZ wrote:
Tedd wrote:
Fingers crossed for FF tomorrow, although Monday is more likely?

So? Any news?


No, nothing so far. It was an assumption on my part, having had a RTO, I just thought they might
go for it on Friday & if not, then today. Wrong assumption I guess because it`s a new aircraft, & they
may have a hundred & one jobs to complete before FF. Just too impatient to see this bird fly!
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Mon Nov 07, 2016 12:40 pm

Tedd wrote:
N14AZ wrote:
Tedd wrote:
Fingers crossed for FF tomorrow, although Monday is more likely?

So? Any news?


No, nothing so far. It was an assumption on my part, having had a RTO, I just thought they might
go for it on Friday & if not, then today. Wrong assumption I guess because it`s a new aircraft, & they
may have a hundred & one jobs to complete before FF. Just too impatient to see this bird fly!

The same here... :-)

I just read that the RTO on Friday was just ... how do you say? a RTO at low speed. What is missing for FF is the high speed RTO. I should have known better....
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Mon Nov 07, 2016 12:44 pm

They did 4 high speed RTO's after the slow speed, up to 90 kts.

See https://twitter.com/flightradar24/statu ... 6147558400
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Mon Nov 07, 2016 12:49 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
They did 4 high speed RTO's after the slow speed, up to 90 kts.

See https://twitter.com/flightradar24/statu ... 6147558400

aero.de reports that they will do additional high speed RTO's.
Source: http://www.aero.de/news-25370/Airbus-A3 ... tests.html
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Mon Nov 07, 2016 12:59 pm

N14AZ wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
They did 4 high speed RTO's after the slow speed, up to 90 kts.

See https://twitter.com/flightradar24/statu ... 6147558400

aero.de reports that they will do additional high speed RTO's.
Source: http://www.aero.de/news-25370/Airbus-A3 ... tests.html

"Nach den vermutlich in den nächsten Tagen bevorstehenden Startabbruchtests mit hoher Geschwindigkeit"... They use the word "vermutlich", They see it as a possibility that they perform further high speed RTOs in the next few days, before FF.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:12 am

BoeingVista wrote:
lowbank wrote:
Question for the experts out there.
Does the engine need its type certification to enable the first flight???


No, seems not.


Engine cert is not required for first flight with an experimental ticket, but the OEM Flight Ops group likes to have it.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Nov 08, 2016 5:37 am

MSN 58 (Cathay #7) is at the delivery centre this morning.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Nov 08, 2016 7:47 am

OldAeroGuy wrote:
BoeingVista wrote:
lowbank wrote:
Question for the experts out there.
Does the engine need its type certification to enable the first flight???


No, seems not.


Engine cert is not required for first flight with an experimental ticket, but the OEM Flight Ops group likes to have it.


Well hopefully we will see a first flight soon then. Be good to see those 97k's in the sky.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Nov 08, 2016 9:43 am

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
MSN 58 (Cathay #7) is at the delivery centre this morning.


Delivery towards the end of next week as B-LRI. Not sure why this one is before B-LRG. (There is no B-LRH)

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