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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Nov 25, 2016 8:43 am

Payload range charts were available since the previous ACAP update.

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I notice slots 108, 131, 139, 152...are unassigned frames. I'm assuming these were American Airlines deferred frames. Will everybody move up numbers, or is this an opportunity for someone to get a new fleet in a hurry? I imagine it'd be difficult to ramp up a new fleet in most carriers, but I'm curious how these slots get absorbed into the system.


MSN 139 and 152 were LATAM, the other slots were American Airlines.

Airbus could have simply canceled those slots, no need to re-assign them to another customer.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Nov 25, 2016 8:49 am

trex8 wrote:
Not sure if covered elsewhere
New acaps Nov
http://www.airbus.com/fileadmin/media_g ... -Nov16.pdf
New WVs and payload range charts for A359 and A35J


That is heavy lifting, about 65 t to about 5,500 nm.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Nov 25, 2016 10:11 am

mjoelnir wrote:
trex8 wrote:
Not sure if covered elsewhere
New acaps Nov
http://www.airbus.com/fileadmin/media_g ... -Nov16.pdf
New WVs and payload range charts for A359 and A35J


That is heavy lifting, about 65 t to about 5,500 nm.


If I take MTOW ( 308t) substract the max fuel mass (156kl/125t) and the payload from the datum for maxfuel ( 28t )
I get 155t OEW ?
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Nov 25, 2016 10:14 am

MSN 75 (Cathay #10) was just powered on for this first time as F-WZND.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Nov 25, 2016 10:17 am

Hmm I'm surprised MSN 75 overtook MSN 70 and 72. The CX planes below were believed to be MSN 61 and 70. Or did MSN 75 roll out after MSN 70?

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Nov 25, 2016 10:22 am

WIederling wrote:
If I take MTOW ( 308t) substract the max fuel mass (156kl/125t) and the payload from the datum for maxfuel ( 28t )
I get 155t OEW ?


Yes 155t OEW is what Airbus claims.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Nov 25, 2016 12:11 pm

First engine run for MSN 77 (Singapore #9)
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Nov 25, 2016 12:12 pm

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Looks like MSN 67 VN #6 emerged on the flight line today. The 8th A350 to roll out this month.


MSN 67 can be seen in the link below:

https://twitter.com/AirlineFlyer/status ... 3542893568
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Nov 25, 2016 3:33 pm

Airbus' delivery centre from the air, as seen on November 24.

Visible are:

- MSN 52 AerCap
- MSN 53 CX
- MSN 61 CX

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Nov 25, 2016 4:08 pm

WIederling wrote:
mjoelnir wrote:
trex8 wrote:
Not sure if covered elsewhere
New acaps Nov
http://www.airbus.com/fileadmin/media_g ... -Nov16.pdf
New WVs and payload range charts for A359 and A35J


That is heavy lifting, about 65 t to about 5,500 nm.


If I take MTOW ( 308t) substract the max fuel mass (156kl/125t) and the payload from the datum for maxfuel ( 28t )
I get 155t OEW ?


155,000kg tracks with what was released at the December 2013 Airbus Investors Conference
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sat Nov 26, 2016 2:42 am

I wonder what would be Zeke's take on that one…
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sat Nov 26, 2016 12:36 pm

Reuters is citing "people familar with the plans" saying that Airbus aims to deliver as many as 80 A350 in 2017.

Furthermore they are citing Fabrice Bregier being more optimistic than before of delivering 50 A350 in 2016. Bregier was also cited as saying plans are to deliver first A351 "hopefully in a bit less than year from now".

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-airbu ... SKBN13K10D
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sat Nov 26, 2016 12:41 pm

SQ22 wrote:
Reuters is citing "people familar with the plans" saying that Airbus aims to deliver as many as 80 A350 in 2017.


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-airbu ... SKBN13K10D


well, if they actually heavily underdeliver this year, 80 planes next year may be easy-peasy :)
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sat Nov 26, 2016 2:08 pm

MSN 67 (Vietnam Airlines #6) just powered up for the first time. This brings us to #47 for the year. If Airbus could find a way to power on another 3 in the next week or so, 50 could be achieved. MSN 47/70/72/73/81 are all potential candidates.

SQ22 wrote:
Bregier was also cited as saying plans are to deliver first A351 "hopefully in a bit less than year from now".

I believe i read somewhere that Airbus is planning 3x A35J deliveries in 2017. One in each of Oct/Nov/Dec. All to Qatar Airways. The first two are already in FAL.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:34 am

CX reconfirmed the carrier should receive 11 A350s this year.

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sun Nov 27, 2016 9:59 am

MSN 53 (Cathay #8) currently on second CAF. Delivery should happen this week.
KarelXWB wrote:
CX reconfirmed the carrier should receive 11 A350s this year.

So 1 deferred to 2017 as compared to the last investor presentation in August.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sun Nov 27, 2016 11:30 am

So CI only taking 3 this year rather than the 4 planned?
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sun Nov 27, 2016 2:53 pm

trex8 wrote:
So CI only taking 3 this year rather than the 4 planned?


Based on?
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sun Nov 27, 2016 4:14 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
trex8 wrote:
So CI only taking 3 this year rather than the 4 planned?


Based on?

Based on the info in this link and then look at MSN 73. It doesn't take much to research this!

https://sites.google.com/site/a350xwbpr ... ction-list
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sun Nov 27, 2016 4:22 pm

This is a brilliant resource - but it isn't an Airbus document so it cannot be taken as fact - especially when applied to speculative future dates.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sun Nov 27, 2016 5:03 pm

audidudi wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
trex8 wrote:
So CI only taking 3 this year rather than the 4 planned?


Based on?

Based on the info in this link and then look at MSN 73. It doesn't take much to research this!

https://sites.google.com/site/a350xwbpr ... ction-list


Doesn't seem to be official.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:16 pm

Close-up shot of MSN 52 parked at the delivery centre:

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:11 am

Any word on whether the first Lufthansa A350 has flown yet?
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:29 am

tacobell101 wrote:
Any word on whether the first Lufthansa A350 has flown yet?


FF is supposed to be tommorow, November 28.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Mon Nov 28, 2016 2:04 pm

MSN 59 just moved to the engine test area.

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Mon Nov 28, 2016 4:38 pm

MSN 95 TG #3 emerged from final assembly.

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Mon Nov 28, 2016 6:31 pm

Looks like MSN62 did a short test flight today. Hopefully a check flight before it moves to the delivery centre.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Nov 29, 2016 8:48 am

The big bird is moving for the second flight...
http://www.flightradar24.com/AIB02IL/bbfcf0d
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Nov 29, 2016 9:30 am

Quite quick for a second flight. Can't have been any post first flight issues. Just the expected checks.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Nov 29, 2016 9:34 am

And there it goes.

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Nov 29, 2016 11:07 am

MSN 79 JJ #7 first flight today:

https://fr24.com/AIB01NI/bc01238
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Nov 29, 2016 11:13 am

I hadn't spotted an RTO for MSN79.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Nov 29, 2016 11:15 am

StTim wrote:
I hadn't spotted an RTO for MSN79.


November 25.

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Nov 29, 2016 11:41 am

The -1000 is expanding the envelope going past fl250 now....
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Nov 29, 2016 11:53 am

ap305 wrote:
The -1000 is expanding the envelope going past fl250 now....


Currently at FL370, she was heading towards Falmouth but is now turning back to France.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Nov 29, 2016 11:55 am

MSN 74 LH #1 ready for its first flight:

https://fr24.com/AIB01NC/bc0212e
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Nov 29, 2016 12:44 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
MSN 74 LH #1 ready for its first flight:

https://fr24.com/AIB01NC/bc0212e


=>

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Nov 29, 2016 1:39 pm

MSN 55 AerCap just moved to the engine test area.

https://fr24.com/ALK55ER5/bc03cd9
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Nov 29, 2016 2:11 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
MSN 74 LH #1 ready for its first flight:

https://fr24.com/AIB01NC/bc0212e


=>

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Nov 29, 2016 2:33 pm

Looks good from this angle:

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Nov 29, 2016 3:59 pm

Nice second flight with 6.5 hours logged. Certainly exploring flight envelope with some high level high speed work plus rapid descent on homeward leg.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Nov 29, 2016 4:11 pm

She taxied to the end of the active runway - could be going for a circuit or an RTO. Not finished yet though.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Nov 29, 2016 4:18 pm

Airborne again ....working her hard, must now be a night flight! Now a further encore?
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Nov 29, 2016 7:04 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
Looks good from this angle:

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Have to admit that for a "EuroWhite" schema, LH really shows off the A350 better than just about anyone else. Was not a big fan of the A350 from an aesthetic point, but it looks really sharp in LH colors.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Nov 29, 2016 7:25 pm

MSN 42 QR#13 did her second test flight a while ago! Any idea what is holding her up this long?
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Nov 29, 2016 7:52 pm

ttm wrote:
MSN 42 QR#13 did her second test flight a while ago! Any idea what is holding her up this long?


I would also like to know. The QR birds seem to always be delivered way later than other MSNs near them. LATAM already has MSN 64, and QR hasn't taken delivery of MSN 42 yet. I'm curious what seems to be delaying them. Surely it can't always be the carpet. ;)
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Nov 29, 2016 8:02 pm

I have given up even trying to guess for QATAR frames. For some reason they seem so much more problematical than any other. I know AAB was mouthing off in the press but that seems to have gone quiet.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Nov 29, 2016 8:11 pm

Could there be financing issues?

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