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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sat Dec 17, 2016 9:11 am

MSN 55 (Aercap) has moved to the delivery centre.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sat Dec 17, 2016 9:24 am

MSN42 off on another CAF.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sat Dec 17, 2016 9:51 am

It also looks like MIL did another RTO this morning - I presume this was at a higher weight?
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sat Dec 17, 2016 12:15 pm

MSN098 (AD #1). Azul's livery will look very good on this aircraft, I'm sure.

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AZUL Linhas Aéreas Brasileiras. FIRST A350 FOR THE COMPANY. by JACQUES PANAS, on Flickr
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sat Dec 17, 2016 1:15 pm

MSN42 is off for it's third flight of the day. Hopefully it will be ready for delivery soon.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sat Dec 17, 2016 8:31 pm

The winglets of MSN 98 are clearly painted in Azul colors:

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AZUL Linhas Aéreas Brasileiras. FIRST A350 FOR THE COMPANY. by JACQUES PANAS, on Flickr
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sat Dec 17, 2016 11:13 pm

That AZUL A359 will look simply sensational!

Any ideas when we shall see the first Air Caraibes in all it's glory?
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sat Dec 17, 2016 11:42 pm

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
MSN 55 (Aercap) has moved to the delivery centre.


Where's AerCap's aircraft going?
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Mon Dec 19, 2016 8:48 am

RL777 wrote:
I have a feeling that CX will order more A359s sometime in the next two years, similar to how they kept topping up 77W orders after they began operating it and got a feel for real world performance.


There is a rumour that when they announce an order for the A330 replacement that they will add a few more A350s.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Mon Dec 19, 2016 9:07 am

Looks like MSN 42 is online with final registration A7-ALM.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Mon Dec 19, 2016 11:28 am

MSN 74 has just been delivered to Lufthansa.

https://twitter.com/lufthansaNews/statu ... 3156364289
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Mon Dec 19, 2016 12:30 pm

CX Flyboy wrote:
RL777 wrote:
I have a feeling that CX will order more A359s sometime in the next two years, similar to how they kept topping up 77W orders after they began operating it and got a feel for real world performance.


There is a rumour that when they announce an order for the A330 replacement that they will add a few more A350s.


Just looking at their order book, I thought the 30 787-10 would be a perfect A330 replacement. That is, of course, if they are keeping them to themselves.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Mon Dec 19, 2016 1:11 pm

mat66 wrote:
CX Flyboy wrote:
RL777 wrote:
I have a feeling that CX will order more A359s sometime in the next two years, similar to how they kept topping up 77W orders after they began operating it and got a feel for real world performance.


There is a rumour that when they announce an order for the A330 replacement that they will add a few more A350s.


Just looking at their order book, I thought the 30 787-10 would be a perfect A330 replacement. That is, of course, if they are keeping them to themselves.


You must be thinking of SQ, CX doesn't have any 787-10 on order.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Mon Dec 19, 2016 1:28 pm

AsiaTravel wrote:

You must be thinking of SQ, CX doesn't have any 787-10 on order.


Ups, sorry. You're right. It's SQ.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Mon Dec 19, 2016 2:17 pm

AsiaTravel wrote:
mat66 wrote:
CX Flyboy wrote:

There is a rumour that when they announce an order for the A330 replacement that they will add a few more A350s.


Just looking at their order book, I thought the 30 787-10 would be a perfect A330 replacement. That is, of course, if they are keeping them to themselves.


You must be thinking of SQ, CX doesn't have any 787-10 on order.

Aren't the SQ regional A359s supposed to replace the A330s??
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Mon Dec 19, 2016 2:21 pm

Yep, the SQ 787-10s are meant to replace the 777-200 fleet.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Mon Dec 19, 2016 2:22 pm

MSN 73 CI #4 second flight today:

https://fr24.com/AIB02NB/bef075e
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Mon Dec 19, 2016 2:41 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
MSN 74 has just been delivered to Lufthansa.
https://twitter.com/lufthansaNews/statu ... 3156364289

Delivery #5 for December 2016.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Mon Dec 19, 2016 3:28 pm

The tracking spreadsheets normally take the delivery flight as proof of delivery. That is why sometimes it lags official deliveries - which happen with the transfer of monies.

I suspect the AerCap ones will be delivered without immediately leaving Toulouse.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Mon Dec 19, 2016 5:07 pm

StTim wrote:
The tracking spreadsheets normally take the delivery flight as proof of delivery. That is why sometimes it lags official deliveries - which happen with the transfer of monies.

I suspect the AerCap ones will be delivered without immediately leaving Toulouse.

They're not allocated to any airline yet, are they?
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Mon Dec 19, 2016 5:14 pm

The question is where will AerCap store them.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Mon Dec 19, 2016 5:50 pm

Both MSN #59 and #65 are airbus planes. When will it be possible to count them as "delivered" ?
They will not be flown away. FF day would be, just my opinion, a good delivery date ; the best one would bethe official transfer date to the test team with their goal : certify this aircraft type, but we can't knw it.
Any ideas ?
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Mon Dec 19, 2016 5:54 pm

PhilDur wrote:
Both MSN #59 and #65 are airbus planes. When will it be possible to count them as "delivered" ?
They will not be flown away. FF day would be, just my opinion, a good delivery date ; the best one would bethe official transfer date to the test team with their goal : certify this aircraft type, but we can't knw it.
Any ideas ?

They will be counted as "delivered" when they are delivered to their final customer whoever that may be, assuming Airbus doesn't keep them.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Mon Dec 19, 2016 5:58 pm

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Both MSN #59 and #65 are airbus planes. When will it be possible to count them as "delivered" ?


I doubt Airbus will count them as delivered until they're actually delivered to the final customer.

However, isn't Airbus keeping #59?
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Mon Dec 19, 2016 6:01 pm

StTim wrote:
The question is where will AerCap store them.

Perhaps at LDE?
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Mon Dec 19, 2016 6:31 pm

flee wrote:
StTim wrote:
The question is where will AerCap store them.

Perhaps at LDE?


They will be delivered to there final customer in early 2017. No real need to store them.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Mon Dec 19, 2016 6:35 pm

G'day

Holy mackerel! I can't believe it! :crazy:

The final registration A7-ALM has apparently been applied to MSN 42, Qatar's 13th A350. So that stubborn carpet fiber has finally been straightened out :bigthumbsup:

https://www.flightradar24.com/A7ALM/befa42b

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Mon Dec 19, 2016 6:53 pm

tvh wrote:
They will be delivered to there final customer in early 2017. No real need to store them.


Is there already a customer? I would imagine finding someone can take a while.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Mon Dec 19, 2016 7:01 pm

CX Flyboy wrote:
RL777 wrote:
I have a feeling that CX will order more A359s sometime in the next two years, similar to how they kept topping up 77W orders after they began operating it and got a feel for real world performance.


There is a rumour that when they announce an order for the A330 replacement that they will add a few more A350s.


I have a strong feeling that CX will order the 787-10 as its optimized for replacing the "regional" A330 routes. I could see them topping up another 5 or so A359 frames however.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Mon Dec 19, 2016 7:02 pm

Blotto wrote:
tvh wrote:
They will be delivered to there final customer in early 2017. No real need to store them.


Is there already a customer? I would imagine finding someone can take a while.

There have been rumors that they are going to a Chinese airline, but I don't think that has ever been officially confirmed. Air Asia X was said to be looking into them too but rumors say they have decided to lease 77Ws instead. Don't know if that is because the A350s were taken up by someone else or they were unsatisfied with Aercap's asking price.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Mon Dec 19, 2016 9:41 pm

Out of curiosity, does a paint job like that of VN weigh more than say that of an LH A350? If so, how much more?
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Mon Dec 19, 2016 10:26 pm

Blotto wrote:
tvh wrote:
They will be delivered to there final customer in early 2017. No real need to store them.


Is there already a customer? I would imagine finding someone can take a while.

That's exactly my point. If they had found a customer, the frames would be painted by now (presumably). As far as I know, the final customer hasn't been found yet (or at least announced). So I must presume that they will be stored, until they are allocated to an airline. Does anyone know who the operator is going to be?
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Mon Dec 19, 2016 11:07 pm

rbrunner wrote:
Blotto wrote:
tvh wrote:
They will be delivered to there final customer in early 2017. No real need to store them.


Is there already a customer? I would imagine finding someone can take a while.

That's exactly my point. If they had found a customer, the frames would be painted by now (presumably). As far as I know, the final customer hasn't been found yet (or at least announced). So I must presume that they will be stored, until they are allocated to an airline. Does anyone know who the operator is going to be?


They are going to Sichuan-airlines. Reported several times.

http://www.traveldailymedia.com/241450/ ... rbus-a350s
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Dec 20, 2016 9:49 am

StTim wrote:
The question is where will AerCap store them.


MSN 52 is stored in Toulouse.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Dec 20, 2016 9:51 am

So are you saying that MSN52 has been delivered Karel?

Difficult to tell when they don't leave TLS :)
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:19 am

Delivery centre yesterday with MSN 77, 79, 55, 42, 66 and 74.

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:23 am

MSN52 is online at the flight line today with its Airbus registration.

https://www.flightradar24.com/FWZFA/bf11832
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:44 am

StTim wrote:
So are you saying that MSN52 has been delivered Karel?

Difficult to tell when they don't leave TLS :)


MSN 52 was at the delivery centre, performed a customer acceptance flight and was mothballed at the test facility afterwards.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:26 am

StTim wrote:
So are you saying that MSN52 has been delivered Karel?

Difficult to tell when they don't leave TLS :)


We would know for sure when Airbus releases their spreadsheet in january
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:41 pm

Video of Lufthansa's first A350 in the FAL and being painted. It also shows that business and economy seats are installed but not premium economy seats which will be installed by Lufthansa Technik
http://newsroom.lufthansagroup.com/de/m ... 4/321.html
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Dec 20, 2016 3:31 pm

MSN 91 TX #2 emerged from paint.

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Dec 20, 2016 3:32 pm

A delivery flight for MSN 42 has been filled.

Airbus A350 -941 42 A7-ALM Qatar Airways delivery 20dec16 TLS-DOH ex F-WZGO
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Dec 20, 2016 3:48 pm

Couple close-up shots of that TX A350:

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Airbus A350 Air Caraibes by Jujug Spotting, on Flickr

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Airbus A350 Air Caraibes by Jujug Spotting, on Flickr

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Airbus A350 Air Caraibes by Jujug Spotting, on Flickr
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Dec 20, 2016 4:07 pm

Any particular reason why the engines are installed after the aircraft has been painted, rather than before? Is this unique to the A350s, or all models? The Air Caraibes colours look magical on the A350, but I still think that VN has the best looking colours though!
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Dec 20, 2016 4:13 pm

G'day

That must be one of the most beautiful sardine cans :crowded: :duck:

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Dec 20, 2016 4:24 pm

Put the most expensive component on as late as possible in the assembly process.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Dec 20, 2016 5:40 pm

scbriml wrote:
However, isn't Airbus keeping #59?


No, the only frame kept will be MSN1 the first A350-900.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Dec 20, 2016 6:00 pm

At last MSN42 is departing on its delivery flight.

https://www.flightradar24.com/QTR3350/bf1fb11
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Dec 20, 2016 6:01 pm

audidudi wrote:
Any particular reason why the engines are installed after the aircraft has been painted...

They are installed at the latest possible date. It's useless to have to pay for them earlier. Those engines are very expansive !
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Dec 20, 2016 6:55 pm

PhilDur wrote:
audidudi wrote:
Any particular reason why the engines are installed after the aircraft has been painted...

They are installed at the latest possible date. It's useless to have to pay for them earlier. Those engines are very expansive !

Then why are the A330s and A380s painted with their engines already installed? Are you saying that those airlines have already paid for their engines prior to the aircraft being painted?

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