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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Mon May 30, 2016 3:54 am

I'm surprised nobody mentioned TWA, Earth to Moon, via the Moonliner. Then, again, the futuristic spaceship not only never left the ground, it never left the drawing board, though an inspiring replica graced Disneyland's Tomorrowland from 1955 to 1966. A newer replica can be admired at the Aviation History Museum.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWA_Moonliner

Honorable mention goes to the Pan American Orion spacecraft, the sleek passenger shuttle between Earth and a space station in 2001: A Space Odyssey.

Certainly air travel in the category of "what could have been" or, at least, "if only."

 
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Mon May 30, 2016 4:27 am

AD was supposed to fly VCP-JFK and GRU-MCO
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Mon May 30, 2016 4:47 am

US announced Saturday only service between LGA and both LAS and LAX.
 
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Mon May 30, 2016 4:51 am

AKL-APW on Polynesian Airlines V2, they talked about it last year but has yet to happen.
 
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Mon May 30, 2016 4:58 am

Back in the mid 80s, pre DL/WA merger, there was a planned SLC-DEN-MSY flight, but within about two days of launch, it was cancelled. Printed media and timetables were already done and distributed. Quite a surprise for local DL management, I can tell you that.
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Mon May 30, 2016 5:49 am

The original Braniff never flew to SAN, but it did appear on one timetable route map post deregulation; I believe it was shown as an SAT-SAN route.
 
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Mon May 30, 2016 5:56 am

Didn't AS plan SEA-LHR using a 744? If I recall, they never got government approval. Not sure of date, but I think it was late 70s or early 80s.
 
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Mon May 30, 2016 6:04 am

Atlanta - FAT on DL. 738, 3x week. Pulled from the reservation system about a week after loaded.
 
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Mon May 30, 2016 6:16 am

Quoting GSPFlyer (Reply 51):
There are rumors of this one being in the works again, but don't hold your breath.

GSP-in-talks-to-bring-Air-Canada-to-Upstate/39284490" target="_blank">http://www.wyff4.com/news/GSP-in-tal...ing-Air-Canada-to-Upstate/39284490

They should be more focused on other more important things *coughs* Southwest *coughs*. I'm still surprised at how badly THAT whole experiment has turned out to date, and I have dim hopes for the "lets put everything through Atlanta (an operation WN has gutted) scheme.
 
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Mon May 30, 2016 7:13 am

Quoting HELyes (Reply 44):
AY:

HEL-KUL via BKK

Might still happen in the future, without the BKK stop. On the other hand SIN being so close, it might not. HEL-LYS never started.
 
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Mon May 30, 2016 8:24 am

I can recall F9 announcing, but never commencing DRO-LAS on 32x equipment, as well as applying for but never awarded DCA-COS.
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Mon May 30, 2016 8:27 am

Quoting rgreenftm (Reply 57):
Didn't AS plan SEA-LHR using a 744? If I recall, they never got government approval. Not sure of date, but I think it was late 70s or early 80s.

It wouldn't have been a 744 in the late 70s or early 80s considering that the 744 first flew in 1988. Apparently AS considered buying one 747-100 or -200 in the early 1970s but not sure where they were going to fly it. There was an artist rendering of it that has been posted on A.net in the past.
 
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Mon May 30, 2016 10:43 am

TWA:

STL-NRT. They were awarded the route, but it never started.

Resumption of STL-FRA was announced for a summer 2001 launch. Then the AA deal happened and it never came to fruition.
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Mon May 30, 2016 10:54 am

Delta Connection SAF-SLC
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Mon May 30, 2016 11:17 am

Quoting PHLapproach (Reply 21):

Didn't US apply for both PHL-PEK and PVG?


Also Delta applied one time for, IIRC, 3w JFK-PEK 4w CVG-PEK. Also daily ATL-PEK. They have loaded LAX-IAD once or twice but always pull it.
 
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Mon May 30, 2016 11:45 am

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't AF announce DEN-CDG right before 9/11?
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Mon May 30, 2016 11:58 am

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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Mon May 30, 2016 12:01 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 62):
It wouldn't have been a 744 in the late 70s or early 80s considering that the 744 first flew in 1988. Apparently AS considered buying one 747-100 or -200 in the early 1970s but not sure where they were going to fly it. There was an artist rendering of it that has been posted on A.net in the past.

I think i read it was for Hawaii service.
 
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Mon May 30, 2016 12:06 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 62):
Apparently AS considered buying one 747-100

Yes, but it was never built.
 
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Mon May 30, 2016 12:23 pm

MS was planning on launching CAI-CGK in conjunction with either KUL or BKK. Either MS cancelled at the 11th hour after they terminated CGK within a few short months of launching.
 
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Mon May 30, 2016 1:31 pm

DL was going to fly FWA-MCO with F8 ER4s, but the service was killed days before startup as DL entered Chapter 11 and killed the MCO ERJ focus city. Still, it proved that there was a market for Florida service from FWA, one that G4 has been very successful in.

TZ was going to fly GYY-IND with C8 SAABs. But before service was launched, TZ made major cutbacks at IND that involved killing C8.

G4 was going to launch GYY-LAS, but the press conference was literally canceled at the last minute because G4 route planners found that GYY's runway layout at the time meant that a loaded MD-80 would overshoot the railroad tracks. G4 did try GYY-SFB, but the vacation package sales were poor because many in the area choose timeshares over hotels in Orlando. And G4 hasn't ruled out returning to GYY now that the runway reconfiguration is complete and the Airbus fleet is growing.

Direct Air was going to fly TOL-MYR, but decided not to. Like FWA-Florida, TOL-MYR eventually found a niche with G4.
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Mon May 30, 2016 1:36 pm

I know SA planned to fly to ORD, back in 2007

'The flights from Chicago will make a stop in Dakar, Senagal, on the western side of the continent, before proceeding to Johannesburg, says Mr. Cuesta. Service will be provided on Airbus A340-300 widebody aircraft, with 38 seats in business class and 217 seats in economy. The airline is targeting both business and leisure travelers, he adds."
 
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Mon May 30, 2016 3:08 pm

Once IB planned to operate MAD - SJU - MAR, but it never came to fruition.
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Mon May 30, 2016 3:24 pm

NW-

DTW-MAD (was to start May 2003)
MSP-AMS-BLR
DTW-AMS-BGW (Never loaded, but they applied for the route)
 
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Mon May 30, 2016 3:35 pm

Silver Airways announced PNS-MSY, MSY-BHM-JAX, and MCO-SAV last year. None of those routes ever started.
 
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Mon May 30, 2016 4:00 pm

Quoting N200WN (Reply 56):
The original Braniff never flew to SAN, but it did appear on one timetable route map post deregulation; I believe it was shown as an SAT-SAN route.

Didn't Braniff file to get all sorts of routes that had been awarded to other airlines that weren't serving them, and they showed some on the timetable route map, such as this one?

On the G4 front, they announced MRY - HNL with a 757 but never started it. Probably happened with many other G4 routes, too.
 
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Mon May 30, 2016 4:08 pm

 
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Mon May 30, 2016 4:13 pm

Back in 2003, US announced nonstop PHL-MEX but it never came to be.
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Mon May 30, 2016 4:14 pm

I don't know if this was rumour but what about

VN

SGN/HAN-LAX
 
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Mon May 30, 2016 4:16 pm

PIT to NRT and LAX to NRT on US in the late 80s. Applied for both and then withdrew application-never reason for LAX-NRT but for PIT they stated they then realized there wasn't an a/c available that could fly it profitably (they were looking at used 747 for this).
 
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Mon May 30, 2016 4:17 pm

Quoting cschleic (Reply 76):
On the G4 front, they announced MRY - HNL with a 757 but never started it. Probably happened with many other G4 routes, too.

Correct.

G4 isn't afraid to kill a route before it starts because of low advance bookings. A good example of this strategy was MWA-LAS.
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Mon May 30, 2016 4:22 pm

Just like MCO-FWA, DL also announced MCO-CHO but it was also axed when DL's small hub closed down. Also, I don't have a link but DL had planned service from MCO to several Central and South American cities during the early hub ops but that never materialized.

Here's one that few people may remember that was announced before 9/11 that never started...

AC DAB-YYZ
 
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Mon May 30, 2016 4:45 pm

Quoting whatusaid (Reply 58):
Atlanta - FAT on DL. 738, 3x week. Pulled from the reservation system about a week after loaded.

That was in 2007 and was supposed to be 4X/week (not 3X) for the summer. According to media reports at the time the aircraft was pulled to use on an international route.
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Mon May 30, 2016 4:48 pm

Skybus had applied for and I think received approval to operate CMH-NAS and CMH-CUN. Neither happened.

I remember hearing AC was going to start YYZ-DAB around 2003 on a CRJ, but nothing ever came of it.
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Mon May 30, 2016 5:38 pm

BTR-LAS, G4
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Mon May 30, 2016 5:54 pm

Quoting intotheair (Reply 66):
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't AF announce DEN-CDG right before 9/11?

I don't know if they announced it, but DEN was trying hard to woo AF in the months before 9/11.

http://www.bizjournals.com/denver/stories/2001/07/23/daily26.html

Denver Trying To PAY Air France $1million! (by Travelin man Jul 26 2001 in Civil Aviation)
 
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Tue May 31, 2016 2:12 am

We could probably do an entire thread about G4 routes announced and never flown.
 
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Tue May 31, 2016 2:21 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 39):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 38):
They were probably happy it was never approved as there was too much capacity on the LAX-SYD route then. The AC route YYZ-YVR-SYD made much more sense.

I don't think DL was on LAX-SYD at the time and AA certainly wasn't. I think the point was to share traffic with UA using their JV.

I think QF was at least 2 daily, possibly 3 daily LAX-SYD then.
 
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Tue May 31, 2016 3:01 am

Quoting gr8slvrflt (Reply 9):
Eastern: MIA-MAD (scuttled after Lockerbie)

I guess that makes a good excuse not to run it. But I see no way that route would have /could have been affected by Lockerbie. Frankfurt-LHR-JFK-DTW the flight was a 4 stop service originating in frankfurt. MIA-MAD would not have an extra leg and smaller market/less attention. Eastern probably dropped it as they were working towards bankruptcy already.
 
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Tue May 31, 2016 3:50 am

AA ORD-AMS - in the early 00's, I had ticketed reservation in J on he flights, scheduled with a 763 aircraft.

Quoting Flaps (Reply 8):

I think this one actually did operate but for a very short time. If memory serves a resumption was announced that never took place.

US ran the flights PDX-SEA-PIT on the 733, then they dropped PDX several times, including the shucking of old PS routes.


Quoting N200WN (Reply 56):
The original Braniff never flew to SAN, but it did appear on one timetable route map post deregulation; I believe it was shown as an SAT-SAN route.

I think this is what you are referring to: http://www.departedflights.com/BN070179.html

One other honorable mention on this rote map is the Oakland focus city, showing non-stops to: LAX, PHX, SLC, LAS, DEN & DFW.

Quoting rgreenftm (Reply 57):
Didn't AS plan SEA-LHR using a 744? If I recall, they never got government approval. Not sure of date, but I think it was late 70s or early 80s.

It was to be a 747-100 with an extra center fuel tank & thankfully AS was smart enough to see this would have been a noose, just like it was for EA, DL, AA or CO originally.

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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Tue May 31, 2016 4:33 am

Quoting ytraveller (Reply 86):
I don't know if they announced it, but DEN was trying hard to woo AF in the months before 9/11.

http://www.bizjournals.com/denver/stories/2001/07/23/daily26.html

Denver Trying To PAY Air France $1million! (by Travelin man Jul 26 2001 in Civil Aviation)

Thanks! I knew I wasn't going crazy. I'm pretty sure DEN still regularly tries to lure AF to come, albeit on a more informal level.
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Tue May 31, 2016 4:53 am

Quoting GSP psgr (Reply 17):
PIT-AMS

KLM had talks with PIT officials on at least two occasions (in early 90's and again later in the decade). But that's all it was. As far as US, I'm not aware of any source to confirm this was in the works other than rumor/hearsay.

However, the following have all been officially announced or applied for at various times:

US: PIT-MAN/STN/FCO/MXP/NRT
PA: PIT-LGW
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Wed Jun 01, 2016 2:40 am

I remember once looking at an AV inflight magazine back in the early 80's. In it, the route map showed a "ruta en proyeccion" between BOG-GIG-JNB.

My guess is that it fell through because the Brazilians were very protective of their market and never would've granted 5th freedom rights for such a route.

That same map also showed a BOG-LAX-HND (NRT?) routing. Who knows? Maybe some day.
 
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Wed Jun 01, 2016 3:28 am

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 90):



Quoting N200WN (Reply 56):
The original Braniff never flew to SAN, but it did appear on one timetable route map post deregulation; I believe it was shown as an SAT-SAN route.

I think this is what you are referring to: http://www.departedflights.com/BN070179.html


Yes, that's exactly what I was referring to...I was going to say I thought it was either a green or an orange timetable. Thanks for posting the link.
 
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Wed Jun 01, 2016 5:41 am

MEM-NRT on NW was supposed to be their first long haul route on the 787 once they took delivery.

A personal favorite of mine was USs PHL-PVG with the A340-500. That would've been a gorgeous plane.

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 74):
DTW-AMS-BGW (Never loaded, but they applied for the route)

That's very interesting. Is there any story to this?
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Wed Jun 01, 2016 9:22 am

Quoting directorguy (Reply 70):

MS was planning on launching CAI-CGK in conjunction with either KUL or BKK. Either MS cancelled at the 11th hour after they terminated CGK within a few short months of launching.

I'm pretty sure that the flight is still available, at least until last December. I saw the flight in the departure info board and it
has a stop over in BKK.

GA also has several planned routes that has been announced several times, but never happened.
CGK-BOM/DEL/MNL are the first thing that comes to mind. IIRC they also proposed a scheduled flight between CGK/DPS to secondary Chinese like CKG, CTU, XIY, etc (they already has a charter flight from DPS with an all Y A330-300).
 
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Wed Jun 01, 2016 12:49 pm

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 95):
MEM-NRT on NW was supposed to be their first long haul route on the 787 once they took delivery.

This one was never officially / publically announced, rumor or wishful thinking or speculation at best. When NW ended JFK-NRT with the 744, they said that JFK-NRT would resume and be one of the first 787 routes upon delivery.

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 95):
Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 74):
DTW-AMS-BGW (Never loaded, but they applied for the route)

That's very interesting. Is there any story to this?
Northwest Files Application To Fly To Iraq (by Neilalp May 8 2003 in Civil Aviation)
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NW DFW-LGA service:
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NW Cancels DFW-LGA Before It Begins (by DeltaFFinDFW Aug 31 2007 in Civil Aviation)
Retaliation against AA for starting LGA-MSP (which failed at that time since they tried to operate 3x MD-80 since they had no smaller capacity aircraft with suitable range at the time, other than a handful of CR7s based on of DFW)
 
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Wed Jun 01, 2016 1:36 pm

Quoting ilari (Reply 60):
Might still happen in the future, without the BKK stop. On the other hand SIN being so close, it might not. HEL-LYS never started.

An other announced and cancelled from AY: HEL-LYR, was axed by Norwegians.
 
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Wed Jun 01, 2016 1:59 pm

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 97):
This one was never officially / publically announced, rumor or wishful thinking or speculation at best. When NW ended JFK-NRT with the 744, they said that JFK-NRT would resume and be one of the first 787 routes upon delivery.

Turns out they considered both.
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