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IrishAyes
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Wed Jun 01, 2016 2:45 pm

Looks like we can add CZ CAN-YYZ to the list #CANned.

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/...irlineroutenews+%28Airlineroute%29
 
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Wed Jun 01, 2016 6:19 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 90):

AA ORD-AMS - in the early 00's, I had ticketed reservation in J on he flights, scheduled with a 763 aircraft.


AA announced this route in the summer of 2001 for launch in the spring of 2002. After 9/11, the route never started.

Now, I can't remember if AA started these two routes, but I swear I remember seeing the press releases on AA's website:

SJC-TPE
SJC-CDG

I seem to recall both were announced before the collapse of the tech and dot.com sectors, which hit hard in Silicon Valley. But, I can't recall if flights started before the collapse, with the routes cancelled as traffic fell, or if the decline in traffic led to cancellation of plans.
 
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Wed Jun 01, 2016 6:37 pm

Quoting ckfred (Reply 101):
Now, I can't remember if AA started these two routes, but I swear I remember seeing the press releases on AA's website:

SJC-TPE
SJC-CDG

I seem to recall both were announced before the collapse of the tech and dot.com sectors, which hit hard in Silicon Valley. But, I can't recall if flights started before the collapse, with the routes cancelled as traffic fell, or if the decline in traffic led to cancellation of plans.

Both these flights did commence before the DotCom collapse . They lasted about ~6 months.
 
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Wed Jun 01, 2016 6:43 pm

Quoting legacyins (Reply 102):
Quoting ckfred (Reply 101):
Now, I can't remember if AA started these two routes, but I swear I remember seeing the press releases on AA's website:

SJC-TPE
SJC-CDG

I seem to recall both were announced before the collapse of the tech and dot.com sectors, which hit hard in Silicon Valley. But, I can't recall if flights started before the collapse, with the routes cancelled as traffic fell, or if the decline in traffic led to cancellation of plans.

Both these flights did commence before the DotCom collapse . They lasted about ~6 months.

It was April 2001-October 2001 if I recall. Each started and ended on the same day. TPE was a 777. CDG was a 767-300ER. By all accounts, TPE did very well and was always full. I've read mixed about CDG. Not sure it was so successful.

Someone from AA posted a few years ago that AA planned SJC-LGW and SJC-GDL. Apparently, AA had even created a schedule for the LGW flights. Then we know what AA did with the SJC hub. Those never started.

I do believe that BA and NH will do well long-term at SJC. I suspect HU might survive too. Not sure about LH.
 
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Wed Jun 01, 2016 6:56 pm

Quoting intotheair (Reply 91):
Thanks! I knew I wasn't going crazy. I'm pretty sure DEN still regularly tries to lure AF to come, albeit on a more informal level.

Was actually anna.aero's unserverd route for this week. I could see AF serving DEN-CDG in the future.
DEN homebase. Frequent traveler to IND and RNO.
 
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Wed Jun 01, 2016 6:58 pm

Quoting intotheair (Reply 91):
Thanks! I knew I wasn't going crazy. I'm pretty sure DEN still regularly tries to lure AF to come, albeit on a more informal level.

Interesting that this article just came out:

http://www.anna.aero/2016/06/01/denv...canner-unserved-route-of-the-week/
 
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Wed Jun 01, 2016 7:14 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 103):
By all accounts, TPE did very well and was always full.

Yes the flights were full but for a reason. I remember seeing R/T fares in the $500 range during the whole summer.
 
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Wed Jun 01, 2016 7:21 pm

In 2009 China Southern was supposed to operate PEK-DTW utilizing the 787.
 
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Wed Jun 01, 2016 7:26 pm

Quoting fanofjets (Reply 50):
Honorable mention goes to the Pan American Orion spacecraft, the sleek passenger shuttle between Earth and a space station in 2001: A Space Odyssey.

Pan Am also announced Earth-Moon (ERH-MOO??) service, and in fact there's YouTube audio of someone calling Pan Am reservations to get a ticket to the moon:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1SPGxwq12s

On a more realistic note, NW announced MEM-MEX service which was never actually launched. And in the "rumor" category, I talked with someone at the NW MEM city ticket office in the late 1980s who said they were going to launch MEM-HNL, which of course never happened.

Also, Delta said it was planning on re-starting the BDL-AMS flight that NW cancelled, but that never happened.
 
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Wed Jun 01, 2016 7:30 pm

Quoting JohnJ (Reply 108):
Also, Delta said it was planning on re-starting the BDL-AMS flight that NW cancelled, but that never happened.

I thought DL did bring it back for a short time? Not correct?
 
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Wed Jun 01, 2016 7:34 pm

Back in 2006 Monarch announced flights between Manston and Norfolk, VA.

Kent-Norfolk(Virginia) Flights On Monarch (by Humberside Jul 13 2006 in Civil Aviation)
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Wed Jun 01, 2016 7:50 pm

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 95):
A personal favorite of mine was USs PHL-PVG with the A340-500. That would've been a gorgeous plane.

US applied for (and got) PHL-PEK, not PVG. It was suppose to operated by (used) A343s, although there were strong rumors that they were trying to get AC's 2 A345s before TAM snatched them up.

Officially US claimed they couldn't find A343s at a reasonable price (aka cheap) on the account of the 787 delays...I think they just realized the route would make no money and were trying to save face.
 
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Wed Jun 01, 2016 8:04 pm

Quoting VC10er (Reply 40):
United discuss for years EWR - GIG

Before the consolidation with UA, CO did operate this route.
 
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Wed Jun 01, 2016 8:13 pm

One of my all-time favorites, that is, if an LOI counts as a "planned route": RFD-BUD

Malev Planning Service To Rockford, Ill. (no Joke) (by MAH4546 Mar 30 2004 in Civil Aviation)
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Wed Jun 01, 2016 8:49 pm

HAM - PVG was also announced - I guess in 2011 - by Air China or an other Chinese Airline, but never startet
 
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Wed Jun 01, 2016 9:22 pm

PVG-SJC by CA and CAN-YYZ by CZ.
 
BoeingGuy
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Wed Jun 01, 2016 9:24 pm

Quoting winGl3t (Reply 115):
PVG-SJC by CA and CAN-YYZ by CZ.

These have each been mentioned multiple times in this thread.  
 
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Thu Jun 02, 2016 4:41 am

Quoting ckfred (Reply 101):
SJC-TPE
SJC-CDG
Quoting legacyins (Reply 106):
Yes the flights were full but for a reason. I remember seeing R/T fares in the $500 range during the whole summer.

It was SJC-KIX that ever ended up operating, IIRC.
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Thu Jun 02, 2016 5:31 am

How about BNA-LHR on AA? I remembered in past but I knew never started it. Isn't that right?


Q
 
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Thu Jun 02, 2016 5:49 am

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 117):
It was SJC-KIX that ever ended up operating, IIRC.

I'm not aware that AA ever even considered SJC-KIX. I'm told they planned on having NRT, TPE, CDG, LGW, and GDL eventually before they trashed their SJC hub.

Quoting Q (Reply 118):
How about BNA-LHR on AA? I remembered in past but I knew never started it. Isn't that right?

AA did BNA-LGW at one time (pretty sure it was LGW).
 
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Thu Jun 02, 2016 7:04 am

Quoting ytraveller (Reply 77):
Quoting ytraveller (Reply 77):
I think it was SEA-AMS-BLR. http://articles.economictimes.indiat...rrier

Ah the good ole, unreliable economic times of India....anyway per NW news release:

Minneapolis, Feb 22 : Northwest Airlines (NWA) has filed a request with the US Department of Transportation for broad authority to serve India, the airline has announced.

The airline intends to introduce service from Minneapolis/St. Paul International Airport to Bangalore, India, (via Amsterdam) beginning October, subject to government approval.

"Northwest looks forward to the final signing of the Open Skies Agreement between the US and Indian governments," said Phil Haan, Northwest executive vice president of international, alliances, and information technology.

The Open Skies Agreement, aimed to liberalise air travel between the two countries, is expected to be signed by India and the US in the next few weeks.

India's Civil Aviation Minister Praful Patel visited Washington last month to meet Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta to finalise details of the agreement.

"The global network that Northwest offers customers through its partnerships with SkyTeam member airlines would only be enhanced by additional service to India," said Haan, who is also chairman, NWA Cargo.

Northwest, together with its joint venture partner KLM Royal Dutch Airlines, has provided service to India since October 1997.

It currently offers two daily flights from Minneapolis/St. Paul to Mumbai, via Amsterdam. Northwest/KLM also offers daily service from Amsterdam to New Delhi.

"Northwest customers in more than 180 US cities can take advantage of the airline's India service with convenient domestic connections at the airline's hubs at Detroit, Minneapolis/St. Paul, and Memphis to Amsterdam," the airline said.

"Convenient connections to India also are available through Northwest gateway cities including New York, San Francisco and Seattle," it said.

Northwest is the world's fourth largest airline with hubs at Detroit, Minneapolis/St. Paul, Memphis, Tokyo and Amsterdam and about 1,500 daily departures.

Northwest and its travel partners serve more than 900 cities in over 160 countries.
 
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Thu Jun 02, 2016 12:28 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 119):

Quoting Q (Reply 118):
How about BNA-LHR on AA? I remembered in past but I knew never started it. Isn't that right?

AA did BNA-LGW at one time (pretty sure it was LGW).

It was. LHR was never a consideration at the time of the BNA hub.
 
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Thu Jun 02, 2016 12:31 pm

How many of the flights US planned to fly out of its mini-hub at FLL never came to fruition?
 
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Thu Jun 02, 2016 12:48 pm

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 63):
Resumption of STL-FRA was announced for a summer 2001 launch. Then the AA deal happened and it never came to fruition.

Didn't STL actually rebuild their international arrivals area for this new flight and expected international growth from TW at STL?
 
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Thu Jun 02, 2016 2:36 pm

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 5):

AC to BEY, from YUL I believe.

Didn't they fly this one summer season?

Quoting cschleic (Reply 76):
Didn't Braniff file to get all sorts of routes that had been awarded to other airlines that weren't serving them, and they showed some on the timetable route map, such as this one?

Just prior to deregulation, BN applied for a ridiculously large number of cities. Many of which made no sense. Then again of the ones they did start, many were way out there too. Major contributor to their death.
 
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RE: Planned Routes That Never Came To Fruition

Thu Jun 02, 2016 4:27 pm

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