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RE: SFO-SIN Starts Today 6-1-16

Thu Jun 02, 2016 3:04 pm

Quoting B737900ER (Reply 28):
Snacks and mid flight meal are complementary now. No more long haul BOB

I just looked at UAL's website and according to it, they are still offering BOB midflight snack options on long haul . I certainly hope United rescinds this program. It really cheapens the product on long haul flights.
 
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RE: SFO-SIN Starts Today 6-1-16

Thu Jun 02, 2016 3:27 pm

Quoting caleb1 (Reply 50):
I just looked at UAL's website and according to it, they are still offering BOB midflight snack options on long haul . I certainly hope United rescinds this program. It really cheapens the product on long haul flights.

Eff June 1st there were some international catering changes.

A complimentary mid-flight snack is being introduced on segments 12+ hours, while choice menu will be pulled off most international longhauls, though the SIN flight will be one of the few where customers can still BOB for additional food.
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RE: SFO-SIN Starts Today 6-1-16

Thu Jun 02, 2016 3:40 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 51):
A complimentary mid-flight snack is being introduced on segments 12+ hours,

Is this just the cheese and crackers serving or is this legitimately something more substantial like a sandwich or salad?

I must agree with Zippy, the UA Y class trans-Pacific experience is not up to par with their Asian competition. I would only do a leg this long on UA if I fly in J. Otherwise, you're better off connecting in some other Asian city.
 
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RE: SFO-SIN Starts Today 6-1-16

Thu Jun 02, 2016 3:46 pm

Quoting IAHWorldFlyer (Reply 52):
Is this just the cheese and crackers serving or is this legitimately something more substantial like a sandwich or salad?

Per note I saw it is a wrapped sandwich along with a sweet treat.
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RE: SFO-SIN Starts Today 6-1-16

Thu Jun 02, 2016 3:59 pm

So if you have the money, would you fly UA non stop or take SQ/CX with stopover?
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RE: SFO-SIN Starts Today 6-1-16

Thu Jun 02, 2016 4:14 pm

Quoting gia777 (Reply 54):
So if you have the money, would you fly UA non stop or take SQ/CX with stopover?

More important than money is the time that can be saved by going nonstop. Less risk of something going wrong.
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RE: SFO-SIN Starts Today 6-1-16

Thu Jun 02, 2016 4:17 pm

Quoting gia777 (Reply 54):
So if you have the money, would you fly UA non stop or take SQ/CX with stopover?

Living in the interior US, I'd already have to make at least one stop to get to one of the US-SIN gateways, so I'd definitely opt for the nonstop on UA unless the one-stops were significantly cheaper.
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RE: SFO-SIN Starts Today 6-1-16

Thu Jun 02, 2016 4:21 pm

Quoting gia777 (Reply 54):
So if you have the money, would you fly UA non stop or take SQ/CX with stopover?
Quoting B747forever (Reply 55):
More important than money is the time that can be saved by going nonstop. Less risk of something going wrong.

Nonstops are the one thing people reliably pay--often huge--premiums for, not product, not FAs, not branding, not lounges, not meals, not anything else: just get the passenger to their destination faster and they will pay more to do so.
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RE: SFO-SIN Starts Today 6-1-16

Thu Jun 02, 2016 4:33 pm

Quoting zippy (Reply 41):

I agree wholeheartedly that the 747 is much more comfortable than the 787 with its hard seats. I recently flew to SYD from SFO on the United 787s and it was disappointing. The seats were so uncomfortable in economy for that duration of a flight. I flew to SYD previously on United's 747 and 777 and those seats were by far much more comfortable. Those new hard seats just doesn't work and the cloth fabric ones are so much better. It made me regret not choosing QF. If I had to fly to SIN from SFO, I would choose SQ over UA without hesitation even though it means a stopover in HKG.
 
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RE: SFO-SIN Starts Today 6-1-16

Thu Jun 02, 2016 4:48 pm

Quoting Eirules (Reply 13):
UA is growing real Asian presence in SFO with the traditional routes of NRT, BKK, PEK etc alongside new routes like XIY, SIN etc. While BKK is a real possibility, especially with TG as a Star partner, yield has traditionally been low. Anywhere else in Japan? Cambodia? India?
Quoting IAHWorldFlyer (Reply 52):

Cambodia? What a fun idea but you must be joking.

A lot of flights to Asia from the US have similar timings. I have taken EVA from SFO to TPE and it has a similar timing. It's pretty terrible getting off a long flight at the crack of dawn however.
 
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RE: SFO-SIN Starts Today 6-1-16

Thu Jun 02, 2016 4:55 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 57):
Nonstops are the one thing people reliably pay--often huge--premiums for, not product, not FAs, not branding, not lounges, not meals, not anything else: just get the passenger to their destination faster and they will pay more to do so.

  

With UA having the only US-SIN nonstop flight they can charge an even higher premium. With this service many secondary US cities can now get to SIN with just 1 stop instead of 2.
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Thu Jun 02, 2016 5:15 pm

Go to FT and read all those sour grapes of how they'll waste hours of their lives and take 1-stop just to "stick it to UA".
 
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RE: SFO-SIN Starts Today 6-1-16

Thu Jun 02, 2016 5:21 pm

To think, Delta pushed the NWA 787 orders waaaaaay out. Boy did they miss the mark with this plane.

I work the 787 on a daily basis at work, and I agree with Jay, this capabilities of this airplane are amazing. It clearly is the best in the fleet for what it is designed to do. The weights, range, burn, everything. Its just perfect

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RE: SFO-SIN Starts Today 6-1-16

Thu Jun 02, 2016 5:28 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 61):
Go to FT and read all those sour grapes of how they'll waste hours of their lives and take 1-stop just to "stick it to UA".

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RE: SFO-SIN Starts Today 6-1-16

Thu Jun 02, 2016 5:48 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 61):
Go to FT and read all those sour grapes of how they'll waste hours of their lives and take 1-stop just to "stick it to UA".

Yeah, as if UA will miss them on their flights. It is amazing how those guys over at flyertalk believe they are the center of the world and a godsend to the airlines. Without them all airlines would have gone bust a long time ago.
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RE: SFO-SIN Starts Today 6-1-16

Thu Jun 02, 2016 5:52 pm

I apologize that this has already likely been answered but -

Is this the first commercial NS service SFO-SIN? I believe it is.
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RE: SFO-SIN Starts Today 6-1-16

Thu Jun 02, 2016 6:56 pm

Quoting barney captain (Reply 65):
Is this the first commercial NS service SFO-SIN? I believe it is.

Yes it is...when SQ flew from SIN to the US nonstop it was only to EWR and LAX.
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RE: SFO-SIN Starts Today 6-1-16

Thu Jun 02, 2016 7:05 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 64):
Yeah, as if UA will miss them on their flights. It is amazing how those guys over at flyertalk believe they are the center of the world and a godsend to the airlines.

To be fair, UA actually admitted that they were losing a lot of corporate customers to other carriers which was part of why UA was (and still is) under performing their competition in terms of profit. More recently, UA has been giving away status upgrades and frequent flyer miles trying to lure people back.

Many UA cheerleaders on this board didn't believe it and kept insisting that no one was leaving and that UA's product was fine.

Certainly, having a nonstop will given UA an advantage in this market. But UA's product is going to prevent them from reaching their full potential...as we've seen repeatedly from UA over the past five years.
 
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RE: SFO-SIN Starts Today 6-1-16

Thu Jun 02, 2016 7:13 pm

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 67):

Certainly, having a nonstop will given UA an advantage in this market. But UA's product is going to prevent them from reaching their full potential...as we've seen repeatedly from UA over the past five years.

UA's lagging performance in the Smisek era was mostly poor operational metrics plus over reliance of 50-seaters for key markets, and nearly nothing related to their long-haul J product.

2-4-2 J is hardly the reason for any customer defections considering how many AA planes are still trying to retrofit to any type of true flat bed at all.
 
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RE: SFO-SIN Starts Today 6-1-16

Thu Jun 02, 2016 7:20 pm

Quoting traindoc (Reply 20):
My wife and I are travelling SFO-SIN on UA 1 in September. I have flown longhaul on both the 788 and 789, and they truly are better pax experience. The higher cabin humidity and pressurization are most likely the reasons for the improved comfort .

They certainly are, except if you like looking out the window on a scenic flight (like yours truly) and the crew decides it's time to sleep at midday and dim those stupid e-tint windows!    I wouldn't mind being on a 787 on this particular route though as there's not much to see.
 
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RE: SFO-SIN Starts Today 6-1-16

Thu Jun 02, 2016 9:38 pm

Quoting caleb1 (Reply 50):
I just looked at UAL's website and according to it, they are still offering BOB midflight snack options on long haul . I certainly hope United rescinds this program. It really cheapens the product on long haul flights.

SFO-SYD we were offered complimentary crackers with stale, moldy cheese (as I pointed out to the FA, process cheese ought not taste like feet). NRT-SFO the FAs cheerily roamed the aisles and hawked snack boxes. I agree that BOB would cheapen the product if not for the alternatives offered. From the frying pan into the fire really.
 
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RE: SFO-SIN Starts Today 6-1-16

Thu Jun 02, 2016 9:52 pm

Quoting gia777 (Reply 54):
So if you have the money, would you fly UA non stop or take SQ/CX with stopover?

CX/SQ hands down. United has a mediocre product, and the 789 appears to be the least passenger friendly of the fleet. Even the 788s have better seats. If memory serves United flies into the not-so-hot terminal in Changi along with the other LCCs. There are two situations where I'd consider the non-stop cattle car a plus: a.) if I had duty free liquor that I couldn't take through NRT/HND or b.) if I had a bunch of miles to burn through and couldn't find a codeshare on SQ.

Quoting a380787 (Reply 68):
UA's lagging performance in the Smisek era was mostly poor operational metrics plus over reliance of 50-seaters for key markets, and nearly nothing related to their long-haul J product.

2-4-2 J is hardly the reason for any customer defections considering how many AA planes are still trying to retrofit to any type of true flat bed at all.

I would certainly have a hard time ponying up the cash for United's J product given how poor the Y product is. The seats may be an improvement, but if you're worried about productivity don't bet on having WiFi at your disposal.
 
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RE: SFO-SIN Starts Today 6-1-16

Thu Jun 02, 2016 10:24 pm

How many planes does United need for this daily service and return to SFO? Is two 787-9 aircraft enough?
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RE: SFO-SIN Starts Today 6-1-16

Thu Jun 02, 2016 10:53 pm

Quoting zippy (Reply 71):

Funny you brought up wifi considering how poor the fleet coverage is at CX and how outrageously it is priced on sq
 
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RE: SFO-SIN Starts Today 6-1-16

Thu Jun 02, 2016 10:55 pm

Quoting HOOB747 (Reply 72):
Is two 787-9 aircraft enough?

Yes, 2 aircraft are enough.
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RE: SFO-SIN Starts Today 6-1-16

Fri Jun 03, 2016 2:06 am

Out of curiosity, does anyone know why UA moved from T3 to T2 at Changi ahead of the new nonstop flight? I would assume it's because there wouldn't be enough gate space between 6 and 8am (roughly) for the 787-9 when there are tons of SQ arrivals from Europe and North Asia. This also coincided btw with SQ moving flights to India and South Africa from T2 to T3.
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RE: SFO-SIN Starts Today 6-1-16

Fri Jun 03, 2016 2:41 am

Quoting Reply 62):
To think, Delta pushed the NWA 787 orders waaaaaay out. Boy did they miss the mark with this plane.

Based on what?


Quoting Reply 62):
I work the 787 on a daily basis at work, and I agree with Jay, this capabilities of this airplane are amazing.

...don't you think that if you could figure this out, they can too?
It's obviously not what they wanted when they wanted it-- or they would've taken it. Plain and simple.



Quoting Reply 62):
Bring on the -10's!!

DL's probably thinking the same thing.


Quoting L0VE2FLY (Reply 69):
They certainly are, except if you like looking out the window on a scenic flight (like yours truly) and the crew decides it's time to sleep at midday and dim those stupid e-tint windows!

Not sure what the problem is here; you can at least still see out of them when fully dimmed, and you don't have to be "that guy" by keeping your sole window open while everyone else's is closed.


Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 63):
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RE: SFO-SIN Starts Today 6-1-16

Fri Jun 03, 2016 3:13 am

Quoting jacobin777 (Reply 17):

Currently only the B77L with aux tanks and not a lot of pax and no cargo will be able to do it.

For a 19:15 flight, the 77L can do it. With a low-density configuration and no belly cargo. But are there really that many people going from SFO to JNB every day? JFK/EWR are practically smack on the great circle route. SFO-EWR-JNB is only 2nm longer than SFO-JNB.
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RE: SFO-SIN Starts Today 6-1-16

Fri Jun 03, 2016 4:11 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 76):
Not sure what the problem is here; you can at least still see out of them when fully dimmed, and you don't have to be "that guy" by keeping your sole window open while everyone else's is closed.

I don't like airlines treating their pax like brats in a childcare center, nobody needs to sleep in the middle of the day, plus I like to enjoy the beauty of planet earth in its natural colors.
 
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RE: SFO-SIN Starts Today 6-1-16

Fri Jun 03, 2016 4:33 am

Quoting flyenthu (Reply 47):
Took a southerly route from the get go.

Definitely. It avoids the jet stream, just as east coast US-North Asia nonstops take a more northerly route eastbound, then follow the jet stream westbound.

Quoting gia777 (Reply 54):
So if you have the money, would you fly UA non stop or take SQ/CX with stopover?

I'd try UA, but give me SQ anytime if I'm going anywhere in that region. Since a lot of my US domestic flying has gone to AA (due to the loss of US from *A), I'm banking more to BAEC so I'd be inclined towards CX too.

Quoting a380787 (Reply 61):
Go to FT and read all those sour grapes of how they'll waste hours of their lives and take 1-stop just to "stick it to UA".

That's a somewhat unfair criticism, just like some FT'ers call A.netters "whining children talking about airplanes". If you almost live on an airplane...like a cousin of mine who flies 110+ flights a year, you'd appreciate some luxury and style too.
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RE: SFO-SIN Starts Today 6-1-16

Fri Jun 03, 2016 4:34 am

Quoting L0VE2FLY (Reply 78):
I like to enjoy the beauty of planet earth in its natural colors.

What kind of lunacy is this ?



A respectable A. Netter is heads down in their electronic device with all shades closed the entire flight.
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RE: SFO-SIN Starts Today 6-1-16

Fri Jun 03, 2016 6:16 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 77):
Quoting jacobin777 (Reply 17):

Currently only the B77L with aux tanks and not a lot of pax and no cargo will be able to do it.

For a 19:15 flight, the 77L can do it. With a low-density configuration and no belly cargo. But are there really that many people going from SFO to JNB every day? JFK/EWR are practically smack on the great circle route. SFO-EWR-JNB is only 2nm longer than SFO-JNB.

I guess the question was if it was theoretically possible. I really don't think there is a market for SFO-JNB.  
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RE: SFO-SIN Starts Today 6-1-16

Fri Jun 03, 2016 9:23 am

Why is it thought that Znotins meant JNB from SFO? He was just referring to JNB, probably from somewhere else though. Obviously SFO-JNB won't be the option.
 
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RE: SFO-SIN Starts Today 6-1-16

Fri Jun 03, 2016 9:42 am

Quoting Max Q (Reply 80):
What kind of lunacy is this ?



A respectable A. Netter is heads down in their electronic device with all shades closed the entire flight.
You want to see the real world, tune in the nature channel.

Good one Max Q!    I couldn't care less about Hollywood's latest and greatest blockbusters when I have a stunning view of Greenland, the Himalayas, etc... out of my window.
 
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RE: SFO-SIN Starts Today 6-1-16

Fri Jun 03, 2016 10:57 am

Quoting gia777 (Reply 54):
So if you have the money, would you fly UA non stop or take SQ/CX with stopover?

Give me a flat bed with aisle access then I go for the non stop route, regardless of airline be it UA, DL, SQ or CX. Any other situation I go with SQ or CX with a brief stop in between.
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RE: SFO-SIN Starts Today 6-1-16

Fri Jun 03, 2016 5:32 pm

I wonder if UA 1 received any special welcome upon arrival in Singapore yesterday, a shower from the local fire crews perhaps? I tried Googling any potential photos, but came up empty.
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RE: SFO-SIN Starts Today 6-1-16

Fri Jun 03, 2016 5:40 pm

Quoting L0VE2FLY (Reply 83):
Good one Max Q! I couldn't care less about Hollywood's latest and greatest blockbusters when I have a stunning view of Greenland, the Himalayas, etc... out of my window.

Glad to see there's still a few people enjoying the real world !
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