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Will 3-4-3 Be More Comfortable On The B777-9?

Thu Jun 02, 2016 11:14 am

The 3-4-3 configuration onboard the B777-300ER is pathetic and you easily hit someone else who is sitting in Y while crossing the aisle. Geeeeeeeeeeez.

Will it be a lot better on the B777-9? How much wider will it be?

I doubt the A350-1000 will go 3-4-3.
 
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RE: Will 3-4-3 Be More Comfortable On The B777-9?

Thu Jun 02, 2016 11:18 am

Hope they never make it 4-4-4   
 
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Thu Jun 02, 2016 12:21 pm

Quoting United Airline (Thread starter):
The 3-4-3 configuration onboard the B777-300ER is pathetic and you easily hit someone else who is sitting in Y while crossing the aisle. Geeeeeeeeeeez.

Its really not that bad. Numerous airlines now offer 3-4-3. If it was really as tight and hard to bear as Anetters make out we would see more stories about arguments on flights and health concerns.

I've flown EK and QR 777 in economy a number of times and never noticed much difference to any other carrier.
 
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Thu Jun 02, 2016 12:45 pm

Quoting seansasLCY (Reply 2):

The main difference must be the aisles.
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RE: Will 3-4-3 Be More Comfortable On The B777-9?

Thu Jun 02, 2016 1:00 pm

Quoting UAEflyer (Reply 1):
Hope they never make it 4-4-4

Happy to be corrected if I'm wrong, but I believe the rule is seating can only be arranged so passengers have a maximum of 2 other seats to cross for aisle access, meaning it's restricted to a maximum of 3 seats near windows and 5 in the middle (for a total of up to 11 abreast in a standard widebody).
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RE: Will 3-4-3 Be More Comfortable On The B777-9?

Thu Jun 02, 2016 1:12 pm

As a person sensitive to constrained space, I felt the tightness of a 3-4-3 after 2 hours when I flew HKG-BKK(-DXB-LHR) back in 2001 with EK. I rebooked the return leg to all-A332 on the way back.

On a personal level (I know I'm in the minority) I'd gladly bear LCC-style seating at a low price for up to 5 hours but no more.

The 777X is supposed to have thinner sidewalls than earlier 777s to allow either wider seats, or wider aisles or hopefully both.



[Edited 2016-06-02 06:12:58]
 
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Thu Jun 02, 2016 1:12 pm

according to Wikipedia, the internal cabin width is 5.87m on the 77W and 5.97m on the 777-8/9

so they appear to have obtained a further 5cm each side from thinner side walls, so should result in an extra 1cm per seat (assuming no change to the aisle width)

I wonder however if this has come at the expense of insulation and will result in more cabin noise?
 
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Thu Jun 02, 2016 1:15 pm

Quoting Richard28 (Reply 6):
I wonder however if this has come at the expense of insulation and will result in more cabin noise?

This is something that I also wonder. The wind noise on the 77W was already noticeably much louder than the A330 and in the case of CX, the noise from the ice cream freezer compressor didn't help matters.
 
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Thu Jun 02, 2016 1:39 pm

Quoting Pacific (Reply 7):
the noise from the ice cream freezer compressor didn't help matters

lol!

Quoting Pacific (Reply 7):
The wind noise on the 77W was already noticeably much louder than the A330

the A330 has cabin walls 18cm thick on each side (5.64m fuselage width/5.28m cabin width), whereas the 77W cabin walls are 16.5cm thick (6.20m fuselage / 5.87m cabin)

so only 1.5cm difference.. this suggests the 77W noise is due to something else - louder/closer engines perhaps?

For the 777-9 the side walls go down to 11.5cm each side.. quite a difference to the A330 (18cm) and A350 (17.5cm).... will be interesting to see how it turns out.
 
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RE: Will 3-4-3 Be More Comfortable On The B777-9?

Thu Jun 02, 2016 1:42 pm

Quoting seansasLCY (Reply 2):
Its really not that bad. Numerous airlines now offer 3-4-3.

No. It is THAT bad.

I flew on 747 with 3-4-3 "standard" 17 inch seat and it WAS bad. I feel for those who have to suffer through 3-4-3 in the 777 or 3-3-3 in the 787 or A330.
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Thu Jun 02, 2016 2:30 pm

Quoting Richard28 (Reply 6):
The internal cabin width is 5.87m on the 77W and 5.97m on the 777-8/9

So they appear to have obtained a further 5cm each side from thinner side walls, so should result in an extra 1cm per seat (assuming no change to the aisle width)

Which is rather small, but still can be a notable difference, even it is only 1 cm. Especially when you transfer from an airplane with even smaller seats, or the opposite, having wider seats, you do note such differences.

Quoting Richard28 (Reply 6):
I wonder however if this has come at the expense of insulation and will result in more cabin noise?

That is the question. But more quiet engines play a role here too. Just as a further increased comfort (like a better seat, better IFE, etc.) will also play a role in how comfortable a flight on the new B778/779 will be experienced.

To answer the opening posters question: yes, I think it will be more comfortable.  
 
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Thu Jun 02, 2016 2:45 pm

I've honestly never heard anyone compIain about a 10 abreast 777 except for here on Anet (and some other aviation enthusiast sites I've rarely visited) what I have heard however is lots of praise for airlines like EK and EY who fly in this configuration from family and friends. In fact something I commonly here when talking to new person about aviation is "Emirates is the best right?" So clearly 10 abreast is not something putting off the flying public.
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Thu Jun 02, 2016 3:34 pm

Your average Pakistani worker shuttling between Dubai and the subcontinent isn't quite as bulky as some other more Westernised nations.
 
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Thu Jun 02, 2016 4:53 pm

If you've ever flown one of ANA's 9 abreast 772's with 16" wide Y seats, you won't complain about a 17" wide 10 abreast seating on another airline.
 
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Thu Jun 02, 2016 9:14 pm

Quoting a320fan (Reply 11):
I've honestly never heard anyone compIain about a 10 abreast 777 except for here on Anet (and some other aviation enthusiast sites I've rarely visited) what I have heard however is lots of praise for airlines like EK and EY who fly in this configuration from family and friends. In fact something I commonly here when talking to new person about aviation is "Emirates is the best right?" So clearly 10 abreast is not something putting off the flying public.

Its not bad if you aren't too big yourself or sitting next to someone that isn't too big either. Had the opportunity to share a seat with a hefty Russian fellow on EK once. I guess even if we had 20" wide seats we would have been intimate (he was tall and big, not just obese), luckily I was able to find another seat.

Also, if its only us talking about it then we all must be flying with BA on their 787s, as they have decided to widen their seats on the 789 due to complaints of the seats on the 788. These seats are supposed to be wider than 10-abreast 777 so take that as you will.
 
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Thu Jun 02, 2016 9:43 pm

On a similar subject Airbus is offering 3-5-3 on A380s

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/ne...-cram-more-people-onto-its-planes/
 
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Thu Jun 02, 2016 10:40 pm

Quoting fcogafa (Reply 15):

On a similar subject Airbus is offering 3-5-3 on A380s

Has anyone opted for it, though?

The A380 seems to be in a sweetspot for passengers: it's so big that cramming it would create capacity most carriers don't need, so they don't go down that route.
 
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Fri Jun 03, 2016 12:25 am

Quoting a320fan (Reply 11):
I've honestly never heard anyone compIain about a 10 abreast 777 except for here on Anet (and some other aviation enthusiast sites I've rarely visited) what I have heard however is lots of praise for airlines like EK and EY who fly in this configuration from family and friends. In fact something I commonly here when talking to new person about aviation is "Emirates is the best right?" So clearly 10 abreast is not something putting off the flying public.

A high percentage of longhaul Y class passengers fly so infrequently they're unaware of seating differences and thus have no basis for comparison. They just accept what they get, which is lucky for the airlines.

However, for passengers who are aware, I would certainly choose anything other than a 10-abreast 777 or 9-abreast 787, or if flying on routes where JAL operates the 787, I would choose them as they're the only remaining carrier with 8-abreast Y class on all their 787s. And quite a few 777 operators are still 9 abreast, including most major carriers based in Asia, but the trend is certainly to 10-abreast.

[Edited 2016-06-02 17:32:44]
 
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Fri Jun 03, 2016 12:29 am

You guys just dont remember being in a 707 for 20 hours with stops where you couldnt disembark!
 
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Fri Jun 03, 2016 8:19 am

My experiences special on AF Santiago Chile CDG in 3-4-3 777 is not very nice to be honest...

We even avoid AF because of this.

IB with A340 or LAN / LATAM with 787 was very nice when we went there in December.
 
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Fri Jun 03, 2016 9:14 am

Quoting a320fan (Reply 11):
I've honestly never heard anyone compIain about a 10 abreast 777 except for here on Anet (and some other aviation enthusiast sites I've rarely visited)

Read some airline review sites. E.g. this one:
http://www.airlinequality.com/seat-reviews/emirates/

Quotes (most from the headlines of the post) from the latest few reviews for 777:
- "seats are too small and rigid", seat width 1 of 5 stars
- "seats very close together", seat width 2 of 5 stars
- "seating uncomfortable", seat width 1 of 5 stars
- "never fly with Emirates again, I had to tuck my elbows tightly into my sides to eat my meal.", seat width 2 of 5 stars

I did not find a single 777 review, where the seat width was reported to be Ok. Overall very poor reviews. And this is not from aviation enthusiasts.

Or read the user comments here:
http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Bri...s/British_Airways_Boeing_787-8.php

My point is, that it is noticed by many "normal" people. In fact it is not only noticed but also attributed to Boeing instead to the airline. Where I look, Boeing is slowly gaining a reputation for subpar passenger comfort.

Also see for example blogs like these ones:
http://qz.com/386379/southwest-airli...eat-probably-isnt-wider-after-all/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielre...bly-more-comfortable/#1ed0cc4936ed
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RE: Will 3-4-3 Be More Comfortable On The B777-9?

Fri Jun 03, 2016 9:15 am

Quoting a320fan (Reply 11):
I've honestly never heard anyone compIain about a 10 abreast 777 except for here on Anet (and some other aviation enthusiast sites I've rarely visited) what I have heard however is lots of praise for airlines like EK and EY who fly in this configuration from family and friends. In fact something I commonly here when talking to new person about aviation is "Emirates is the best right?" So clearly 10 abreast is not something putting off the flying public.

I am sorry but that is absolute BS.I recently flew on American's 777-200 from BCN to JFK, which has one Y section in 9-abreast and another in 10-abreast, which allows for an easy comparison. The difference in seat-width and aisle width is VERY visible. Throughout both flights there were numerous attempts by passengers trying to move from the 10-abreast section to 9-abreast - the flight attendants had to intervene several times to stop pax from moving to the 9-abreast section. There were additional 10-abreast passengers standing in the aisles who were looking desperately for seats in the 9-abreast section, but made no attempt to changes seats.

I will avoid 10-abreast 777s wherever I can. When in doubt over the seating in Y, I will avoid airlines flying 777s altogether for that reason. I learned it the hard way when I - lead on by the positive Image the ME3 carriers have been able to build - found myself sitting in one of EY's 10-abreast 777s between AUH and BKK at the beginning of this year. I literally felt fooled - and I will make sure that this will not happen again.

Airlines with 10-abreast 777s are on my personal no-fly-list, I will not even consider flying AF/KL long-haul in Y as it pretty much always means 10-abreast in Y in their 777s.

[Edited 2016-06-03 02:17:57]
 
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Fri Jun 03, 2016 9:44 am

Better than 3-3-3 787.
 
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Fri Jun 03, 2016 9:57 am

The work they have done to sculpt out the side frames shows that Boeing knows it's product isn't good at 10 abreast. They have had to strengthen and thicken the ribs to reduce their size. Whether that has an adverse affect on weight I have not seen but it would be very unlikely that the resultant structure is lighter. Whether the then reduced insulation will be as bad as the current I also do not know. The 777 is a noisy frame compared to other options. I always preferred getting the 747 as the option compared to the 777 when I was flying LHR ORD regularly on BA - and that was in Business!
 
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Fri Jun 03, 2016 10:19 am

Will 3-4-3 Be More Comfortable On The B777-9?

Yes, or to be more precise, it will be less uncomfortable than the horrible 3-4-3 on the current 777s...

Quoting StTim (Reply 23):
The work they have done to sculpt out the side frames shows that Boeing knows it's product isn't good at 10 abreast. They have had to strengthen and thicken the ribs to reduce their size. Whether that has an adverse affect on weight I have not seen but it would be very unlikely that the resultant structure is lighter. Whether the then reduced insulation will be as bad as the current I also do not know. The 777 is a noisy frame compared to other options. I always preferred getting the 747 as the option compared to the 777 when I was flying LHR ORD regularly on BA - and that was in Business!

It will be very interesting, as I don't recall similar redesign work being done on any other similar airframe to create more space
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Fri Jun 03, 2016 10:28 am

Quoting reffado (Reply 16):

3-5-3 would work well on really busy A380 routes like LHR-LAX
 
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Fri Jun 03, 2016 12:24 pm

Quoting seahawk (Reply 22):
Better than 3-3-3 787.

This is not correct.

The cabin of the 777 is 5.87 m (19 ft 3"), the 787 cabin width is 5.49 m (216'').

Assuming an identical 18" (457 mm) aisle 4.575 respectivly 4.955 m are left.

For 10-abreast 777 this means 49.55 cm per pax (about 19.5") including armrests and everything else.
For a 9-abreast 787 this means 50.8 cm per pax (abou 20'') including armrests and everything else.
(A350 9-abreast is 52 cm (about 20.5'') including everything)

In fact only the 777-8/9 will reach 50.6 cm per pax (with identical 18" aisles) and will therefore be exactly at 787-level.
 
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Fri Jun 03, 2016 3:20 pm

Quoting JayBCNLON (Reply 21):
one Y section in 9-abreast and another in 10-abreast, which allows for an easy comparison

Not so easy a comparison but I flew a QF 744ER (which have the 777-style Boeing Signature Interior) just over a week ago and an SU 773ER two days later - and I can say without a shadow of doubt that the 10-abreast 777 is tight. Very tight. And I'd spent 9 hours on the 744 thinking it was tight.

Tiny aisles, tiny seats, and not even a rear vestibule to hang around in thanks to having a galley there. Even 34 or 35 inches of pitch could not have saved this configuration simply because of how little space there was.

It was my first flight on the 777 and even though I'd read countless pages here describing how bad 10Y was I was still surprised.

Thankfully I had to some extent prepared... my seat was in W :p
 
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Fri Jun 03, 2016 4:01 pm

Quoting dare100em (Reply 26):
The cabin of the 777 is 5.87 m (19 ft 3"), the 787 cabin width is 5.49 m (216'').

Assuming an identical 18" (457 mm) aisle 4.575 respectivly 4.955 m are left.

Interesting, so one could do a 3-4-3 787. That would be efficient.
 
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Fri Jun 03, 2016 4:35 pm

I propose that no airline that has 10-abreast Y in 777s should be allowed to be called a 5-star airline. Simple as that.

The majority of pax - and mostly the "silent majority" of any airline rating - fly in Y. And 10-abreast in Y in a full 777 is just the difference between "busy" and "chaos". There is nothing an airline can do to compensate that to get back to an extraordinary rating.

From the current Skytrax 5-star airlines (CX, SQ, HU, OZ, GA, NH, and QR, and please don't flame me for taking Skytrax as a reference) this would affect QR .... and potentially soon CX.

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Fri Jun 03, 2016 7:12 pm

Quoting seahawk (Reply 28):
Interesting, so one could do a 3-4-3 787. That would be efficient.

No you can't, unless you think 15" seat widths are okay.
 
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Fri Jun 03, 2016 8:41 pm

Quoting dare100em (Reply 26):
The cabin of the 777 is 5.87 m (19 ft 3"), the 787 cabin width is 5.49 m (216'').

Assuming an identical 18" (457 mm) aisle 4.575 respectivly 4.955 m are left.

For 10-abreast 777 this means 49.55 cm per pax (about 19.5") including armrests and everything else.
For a 9-abreast 787 this means 50.8 cm per pax (abou 20'') including armrests and everything else.
(A350 9-abreast is 52 cm (about 20.5'') including everything)

And yet the average 787 9-abreast seat (17") is smaller than the average 777 10-abreast seat (17.2").
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Fri Jun 03, 2016 8:57 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 31):
And yet the average 787 9-abreast seat (17") is smaller than the average 777 10-abreast seat (17.2").

This confuses me a little. All the literature out there shows that the 787 should be more comfortable than the 777, yet we see airline installing seats that are the same or have even worse seat widths in the 787. Either airlines have wider aisles in the 787 or the usable space for the seats is smaller in the real world configurations for airlines.
 
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Fri Jun 03, 2016 9:01 pm

Quoting enzo011 (Reply 32):
Either airlines have wider aisles in the 787 or the usable space for the seats is smaller in the real world configurations for airlines.

Perhaps, I do not know the reason. But it does show that cabin width alone doesn't say much.

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Fri Jun 03, 2016 9:13 pm

Quoting a320fan (Reply 11):
I've honestly never heard anyone compIain about a 10 abreast 777

If 17" is enough room why would the home of football Wembley stadium have put 90,000 seats at 19.6" seat width? Up from 16" before they spent £800M to rebuilt it?

Think how much more profit they could have made if people don't care! Having watched games before and after, I can tell you as a sports fan 19" is way superior and people do notice and can tell the difference.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/231...407/Wembley-Facts-and-figures.html
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Fri Jun 03, 2016 10:27 pm

Quoting fcogafa (Reply 15):
On a similar subject Airbus is offering 3-5-3 on A380s

Yup, but no takers so far, and hopefully it will stay that way.

11 abreast on the A380 lower deck will be cramped for sure. But not nearly as cramped as a 10 abreast 777.

The A380 lower deck is 21 ft 4 inches, while the 777 is 19 ft 3 inches. That gives 25 inches for the 11th seat (including armrest) compared to the 10 abreast 777.

That will be 21 inches when sometime next decade four inches wider thin walled 77X's take to the sky.

With equal aisle widths an 11 abreast A380 would offer "comfort" level in between 9 abreast and 10 abreast 777, closer to 9 than 10. Cramped, but not as bad. It would be a few mm inferior to a 10 abreast 747 which is 16 inches narrower..

The real horror is of course the 9 abreast A330/A340. But I don't think that is on offer except for relatively short charter jumps.
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Fri Jun 03, 2016 10:29 pm

Quoting prebennorholm (Reply 35):
The real horror is of course the 9 abreast A330/A340. But I don't think that is on offer except for relatively short charter jumps.

Wasnt Air Asia X using 9 across on their A333 to Europe from SE Asia and Phillipines have 9 across A333 to mideast.
 
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Sat Jun 04, 2016 12:16 am

Quoting enzo011 (Reply 32):

Commonality/consistency of product. You could put 18.5" seats on a 767 (or was it 18.9") but some airlines put 17.2" to match the 747! And SQ oversized the 777 Y seats to match the A380.

Some carriers put same seats on 737 and A320. Sux but that's how they roll.
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Sat Jun 04, 2016 12:27 am

Quoting Jambrain (Reply 34):
If 17" is enough room why would the home of football Wembley stadium have put 90,000 seats at 19.6" seat width? Up from 16" before they spent £800M to rebuilt it?

Maybe because its not an airplane.
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Sat Jun 04, 2016 8:21 am

Quoting enzo011 (Reply 30):
No you can't, unless you think 15" seat widths are okay.

Worth a try. Maybe for the basic economy class.
 
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Sat Jun 04, 2016 8:37 am

Quoting seahawk (Reply 39):
Worth a try. Maybe for the basic economy class.

400mm/15.75 inch seats work on a bus, what could possibly go wrong?
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RE: Will 3-4-3 Be More Comfortable On The B777-9?

Sat Jun 04, 2016 4:15 pm

Something like that for Economy Minus. We have not seen the bottom of the barrel when it comes to discomfort.
 
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RE: Will 3-4-3 Be More Comfortable On The B777-9?

Sun Jun 05, 2016 1:29 pm

Quoting seahawk (Reply 41):

Something like that for Economy Minus. We have not seen the bottom of the barrel when it comes to discomfort.

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RE: Will 3-4-3 Be More Comfortable On The B777-9?

Sun Jun 05, 2016 1:54 pm

Quoting JayBCNLON (Reply 21):
Airlines with 10-abreast 777s are on my personal no-fly-list, I will not even consider flying AF/KL long-haul in Y as it pretty much always means 10-abreast in Y in their 777s.

   The ONLY way I'll ever fly on a 777 that's 10-abreast or a 787 that's 9-abreast is if I'm flying in Premium Economy...and thus getting only 7- or 8- abreast.

Otherwise, I'll happily stick to DL and their 7-abreast 767s or 8-abreast A330s...
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RE: Will 3-4-3 Be More Comfortable On The B777-9?

Sun Jun 05, 2016 2:33 pm

Quoting prebennorholm (Reply 35):
The real horror is of course the 9 abreast A330/A340. But I don't think that is on offer except for relatively short charter jumps.

The real horror is of course (to paraphrase you) if one is of size. Have you ever flown on a 9 across A330? I have, on CebuPacific's on a 3hr+ sector from MNL to SIN. Don't know about you, but my average Asian frame of 5'6" and 154lbs (1.68m, 70kg) fits in ok. Not much wiggle room but definitely not real horror. Of course I would have preferred the 8 abreast of PR but the price difference is about double, so....
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RE: Will 3-4-3 Be More Comfortable On The B777-9?

Sun Jun 05, 2016 2:44 pm

Quoting a320fan (Reply 11):

Are you kidding? Loads of my friends get off Etihad (77W served) or EK (transition to 77W from A380) and tell me how horrible their flight was. Plenty of 'worst flight ever' and 'never again' type comments. Many are shocked at the lack or space as their expectations were high due to hype.

Maybe I just have fatter friends lol. Although if you hop on over to seatguru etc you will see plenty of complaints.

Me personally I have a no flights 4 hours and over rule for the 3-4-3 777 and 787.

Oh and PS - I've flown 4 x 10 hour sectors on 3-3-3 A330s (in the distant past!) ... I know pain lol

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RE: Will 3-4-3 Be More Comfortable On The B777-9?

Sun Jun 05, 2016 3:46 pm

Quoting prebennorholm (Reply 35):
If 17" is enough room why would the home of football Wembley stadium have put 90,000 seats at 19.6" seat width? Up from 16" before they spent £800M to rebuilt it?

Think how much more profit they could have made if people don't care! Having watched games before and after, I can tell you as a sports fan 19" is way superior and people do notice and can tell the difference.

Because you don't have to go to a football game, but many people do have to fly?

And keep in mind the "real estate" on an airplane is vastly more expensive, per square foot, than anywhere on the ground.
 
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RE: Will 3-4-3 Be More Comfortable On The B777-9?

Mon Jun 06, 2016 3:44 am

Quoting MKIAZ (Reply 46):
And keep in mind the "real estate" on an airplane is vastly more expensive, per square foot, than anywhere on the ground.

That sums it up. How much are people willing to pay for space and what are there expectations to come back?


Airplanes are such expensive land used by people who usually only fly a little. Where as sporting events profit most by repeat 'fans.' No repeat flight fan is Y (well, not typically), that is J. They're shopping on price.

Quoting Armodeen (Reply 45):
Are you kidding? Loads of my friends get off Etihad (77W served) or EK (transition to 77W from A380) and tell me how horrible their flight was. Plenty of 'worst flight ever' and 'never again' type comments. Many are shocked at the lack or space as their expectations were high due to hype.

How many fly them again? I know I've said 'never again' and then, when clicking to compare, I went again. For example, I had such *horrid* service on one of the US3, I swore I wouldn't fly them again. But next time it came to fly, any alternative required many more hours away from family, so I flew them again (was disappointed by the service).

I've learned certain things people say shouldn't be listened to. Usually "never again."

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RE: Will 3-4-3 Be More Comfortable On The B777-9?

Mon Jun 06, 2016 4:12 am

Quoting a320fan (Reply 11):
Quoting neutrino (Reply 44):
The real horror is of course (to paraphrase you) if one is of size. Have you ever flown on a 9 across A330? I have, on CebuPacific's on a 3hr+ sector from MNL to SIN. Don't know about you, but my average Asian frame of 5'6" and 154lbs (1.68m, 70kg) fits in ok. Not much wiggle room but definitely not real horror. Of course I would have preferred the 8 abreast of PR but the price difference is about double, so....

In 2014 my brother flew a BA 787 AUS-LHR in one of the exit rows due to back pain he was having back pain and needed some extra leg room to be comfortable. Because it was the first row of a section it had the tray table stored in the arm rests rather than the back of a seat ahead. The passenger sitting in the seat next to my brother was a very tall and big man who needed the extra leg room but had lots of trouble with the extra narrow seat.
 
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RE: Will 3-4-3 Be More Comfortable On The B777-9?

Mon Jun 06, 2016 5:42 am

Quoting seansasLCY (Reply 2):
Its really not that bad. Numerous airlines now offer 3-4-3. If it was really as tight and hard to bear as Anetters make out we would see more stories about arguments on flights and health concerns.

It IS bad. And I personally think things like this should be out-regulated for scheduled flights longer than 4-5 hours. Extra dense seating has sense in certain corner cases such as flights within a large country that need to be very cheap or even subsidized (routes like YYZ-YVR, SVO-VVO, LAX-HNL come to mind), or mass-tourist market in Europe where large numbers of people need to be shuttled for 3-4 hours to Egypt or Turkey and back.

Quoting Richard28 (Reply 6):
I wonder however if this has come at the expense of insulation and will result in more cabin noise?

They can also improve and redesign the insulation. Somewhere I have seen that mention.

Quoting trex8 (Reply 18):
You guys just dont remember being in a 707 for 20 hours with stops where you couldnt disembark!

Yeah, but we aren't living in 60s! Gotta be doing at least a bit better than at that time!

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