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RE: QR To Launch LAS Next Year

Fri Jun 03, 2016 9:48 pm

Quoting Revelation (Reply 6):
Qatar Airways boss not interested in more Airbus A380s, A350-1000 stretch

If it wasn't u-turn Al this would be real news. It was not very long ago that he said he wanted both.

Quoting AABB777 (Reply 22):
I just don't see how QR can continue expansion in the US with their huge reliance on India-bound traffic.

I don't think they need to operate the route profitably to rationalize its existence. Its true of the entire airline.

Quoting enilria (Reply 27):
This is the first ME3 destination announced in a very long time. I wonder if they had been holding back for political reasons and the recent kerfuffle in ATL was the straw that broke the camel's back...?

Hasn't it been only about a year since QR announced BOS, ATL, and LAX?

If anything I saw a mad dash to open new routes when the kerfuffle picked up. As if to say that they were worried they were going to get their routes frozen until US DOT reviewed the claims and EK/QR rushed to open US routes rather quickly.

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RE: QR To Launch LAS Next Year

Fri Jun 03, 2016 10:54 pm

Quoting sirdanilot (Reply 1):
Interesting that such an airline chooses such a 'haram' destination.

Hahaha ain't that the truth! Typical hypocritical behavior - nothing new for the ME3.
 
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RE: QR To Launch LAS Next Year

Fri Jun 03, 2016 11:07 pm

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 49):
What cargo would you bring out of LAS that pays for the effort.

Los Angeles Basin can be reached by freight truck and train.
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RE: QR To Launch LAS Next Year

Fri Jun 03, 2016 11:10 pm

It will be interesting to watch how this plays out with local politics 
 
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RE: QR To Launch LAS Next Year

Fri Jun 03, 2016 11:38 pm

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 50):
Hasn't it been only about a year since QR announced BOS, ATL, and LAX?

LAX started January 1 this year while ATL just began the other day. Not sure about BOS.
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RE: QR To Launch LAS Next Year

Sat Jun 04, 2016 12:04 am

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 50):
Hasn't it been only about a year since QR announced BOS, ATL, and LAX?

they were announced in May of 2015.



One of the big middle eastern carriers coming to Las Vegas shouldn't be too much of a surprise, but I am surprised Emirates didn't jump on this a long time ago, or Turkish, for that matter.
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RE: QR To Launch LAS Next Year

Sat Jun 04, 2016 12:12 am

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 14):
Arabs, Malaysians and Indians love to gamble and holiday. Vegas offers a great combination for tourism, real estate and conferences so don't write off the route just yet

There's no need for Malaysians to go to Vegas to gamble, what with the restrictive visa requirements and all. Macau & Singapore are close by, not to mention the country's long standing casino on Genting Highlands.
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RE: QR To Launch LAS Next Year

Sat Jun 04, 2016 12:26 am

Quoting 9w748capt (Reply 51):
Typical hypocritical behavior

What's hypocritical? QR serves booze, etc. Not to mention, what people do in Vegas really isn't QR's problem.
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RE: QR To Launch LAS Next Year

Sat Jun 04, 2016 12:28 am

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 13):
Also Orlando is a larger local market and there are many Middle Easterns going to college or living in Central Florida. I never thought Dubai-Orlando as a "weird" route... Doha-Las Vegas... that is something else

I agree that MCO made more sense but it still was a little out of left field.

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 14):
Arabs, Malaysians and Indians love to gamble and holiday. Vegas offers a great combination for tourism, real estate and conferences so don't write off the route just yet.
Quoting airzona11 (Reply 15):
I am not sure that Las Vegas is such a low yielding destination. There are awesome resorts, golf etc. On top of the typical Vegas gambling and partying.

When you consider the length of the route and that there is next to no local market in LAS to draw from, it will be a low yield express.

LAS may have its tourism appeal, but it is geberally mixed in with other destinations on US trips, which mitigates the need for such a service on a route like DOH-LAS.

Quoting peanuts (Reply 38):
As Trump befuddles many so are ME3.

Interesting that you mention him. One thing to consider is that judging by policy platforms, a Trump victory may well be DL's best friend against some competitors (ie. ME3)  Smile

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RE: QR To Launch LAS Next Year

Sat Jun 04, 2016 12:33 am

Quoting stlgph (Reply 55):
One of the big middle eastern carriers coming to Las Vegas shouldn't be too much of a surprise, but I am surprised Emirates didn't jump on this a long time ago, or Turkish, for that matter.

Emirates will very likely beat them to this. It's a more natural fit for LAS owing to the broader, wealthier Emirates traveller base in Africa-ME-Asia, and, marginally, on synergies with Dubai's own hospitality business.

Quoting TheFlyingDisk (Reply 56):
There's no need for Malaysians to go to Vegas to gamble

Let's not worry too much about these logic-based arguments.

People want to go to Vegas, and people will still fly via the Gulf despite it being a longer journey than a transpacific option.
 
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RE: QR To Launch LAS Next Year

Sat Jun 04, 2016 3:38 am

Quoting a380787 (Reply 29):

for miraculous reasons, QR is *still* avoiding SFO like the plague, even though most international carriers, regardless of alliance, is flocking to it. Both EK and EY are there so I see no reason why QR isn't.

It could be one of the few smart route decisions QR has made. With EY/EK on the route, the Y yields are probably diluted, so may as well try something else.
 
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RE: QR To Launch LAS Next Year

Sat Jun 04, 2016 4:26 am

Quoting MKIAZ (Reply 48):
Quoting crownvic (Reply 32):
With a lot of cargo coming off the west coast to the ME, I am sure that QR will use LAS as an overflow market and truck goods there, when their LAX freight is heavy. It is quite similar to what QR does in their JFK/PHL operation.

That's a looooong flight for a 77W though. And seeing as how LAS can get very hot and isn't at sea level, I'm not so sure there will be much weight left for cargo - especially during the summer.

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 49):
Quoting MKIAZ (Reply 48):
That's a looooong flight for a 77W though. And seeing as how LAS can get very hot and isn't at sea level, I'm not so sure there will be much weight left for cargo - especially during the summer.

What cargo would you bring out of LAS that pays for the effort.


That is why I said "overflow"...If the bellies are full out of LAX on a given day, they can truck the excess to LAS, because the LAS belly will more than likely be quite light. Additionally, the HGW departure issues will not be a year-round problem and will mostly affect a 3-4 month period and not the whole year.
 
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RE: QR To Launch LAS Next Year

Sat Jun 04, 2016 4:35 am

Quoting blr380 (Reply 28):
jetwet

Maybe you misunderstood my post, I am happy to see Qr (or any airline) increase service to Las Vegas.

Of course the majority of the pax will be connections, it's the ME 3 business model. As I said in my post, there is a perception that LAS is low yielding, it's not, in another one of these threads I posted a comparison of BA and VS flights to LA, SFO and PHX, LAS had the highest fares over a range of dates in all classes.

It will certainly be interesting to see how this flight fairs in the long run.

Quoting crownvic (Reply 32):
The U.S, carriers have avoided international flying out of LAS

Amazing isn't it, I would have expected one airline to try LAS-LON, but with BA being in oneworld AA is out of the question and DL/HA tied to VS is there really a market left for them ?

Quoting sirdanilot (Reply 1):
Interesting that such an airline chooses such a 'haram' destination.

Many people forget about Bahrain and the traffic jams on the King Fahd Causeway with all the good Saudis heading to Bahrain to be bad.......

Quoting Capt.Fantastic (Reply 35):
Well, Northwest did try LAS-NRT in the late '90s- it didn't last very long.

'90's Vegas was a whole lot different than now, between 1990 and now the number of visitors has doubled, the number of conventioneers has tripled, the number of rooms has doubled, the list goes on and on.


Quoting BravoOne (Reply 53):
It will be interesting to watch how this plays out with local politics

In what way ?

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 58):

Interesting that you mention him. One thing to consider is that judging by policy platforms, a Trump victory may well be DL's best friend against some competitors (ie. ME3)

If you seriously think congress will allow Trump to do 99% of the stuff he has talked about you may be in for a shock, while courting a section of the population is one thing, putting congress into gridlock for 4 years isn't going to happen.

Quoting cruiseshipcrew (Reply 40):
Mandarin Oriental Las Vegas should make a long jetway from their hotel straight to door 1L on this plane with door 2L going to the airport.

LOL true, though it's nickname in the business is "The British Embassy" so there may be a fight for rooms, not that MO would complain about that.

Quoting TheFlyingDisk (Reply 56):
There's no need for Malaysians to go to Vegas to gamble, what with the restrictive visa requirements and all. Macau & Singapore are close by, not to mention the country's long standing casino on Genting Highlands.

True, but that doesn't stop a huge number traveling from SE Asia to Vegas every year and don't forget Genting is actually building a new resort on the old Stardust site.
 
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RE: QR To Launch LAS Next Year

Sat Jun 04, 2016 4:39 am

Quoting Capt.Fantastic (Reply 35):
Quoting crownvic (Reply 32):
While I thought DL would eventually launch NRT, it never happened and definitely won't happen now,

Well, Northwest did try LAS-NRT in the late '90s- it didn't last very long.

With OneWorld partner AA just down the road, I'm a bit surprised they selected LAS over connection feed in PHX


Keep in mind that one-stop connections are QR's bread and butter since the vast vast majority of their traffic at DOH is already connecting, so adding a destination to another hub to offer second connections doesn't make the most sense from QR's perspective. They want people to fly BKK-DOH-LAS, not BKK-DOH-PHX-LAS.

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 58):
When you consider the length of the route and that there is next to no local market in LAS to draw from, it will be a low yield express.

I can't predict how the flight will ultimately pan out, but this is amusing because people said the exact same things when VS launched their flights to LGW...and now we have, what? Almost three daily jumbo jet flights to LON. International traffic to Las Vegas is booming, and people are apparently willing to shell out to get there.
 
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RE: QR To Launch LAS Next Year

Sat Jun 04, 2016 4:48 am

Quoting JBLUA320 (Reply 60):

SFO is not some tiny market that can only support 2 out of 3 of the ME3 carriers. You're possibly the first person suggesting yields would actually suffer dilution in a rich market like SFO.
 
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RE: QR To Launch LAS Next Year

Sat Jun 04, 2016 4:55 am

Quoting jetwet1 (Reply 62):
If you seriously think congress will allow Trump to do 99% of the stuff he has talked about you may be in for a shock, while courting a section of the population is one thing, putting congress into gridlock for 4 years isn't going to happen.

I get that completely, but the very nature of politics does create many headaches.

IF we wins, even if his policies don't pass, it creates instability and will put off many from visiting. He can't just say the things he has and not have an effect on the global society, which will be magnified if he was to win.

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 63):
I can't predict how the flight will ultimately pan out, but this is amusing because people said the exact same things when VS launched their flights to LGW...and now we have, what? Almost three daily jumbo jet flights to LON. International traffic to Las Vegas is booming, and people are apparently willing to shell out to get there.

London-Las Vegas is very, very different to Doha-Las Vegas.

People question many route decisions I agree with that but in this QR DOH-LAS case it has well and truly pushed the envelope in the same vein as EK's attempt at opening DXB-PTY.

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RE: QR To Launch LAS Next Year

Sat Jun 04, 2016 5:46 am

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 65):
London-Las Vegas is very, very different to Doha-Las Vegas.

Perhaps, but we could very well be saying the same thing about DOH-LAS in a few years with regard to some other announcement. It was hard for anyone to predict just how stimulated and large the LAS-LON market would be and understand the volume of Europeans that wanted to get to Vegas.

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 65):
but in this QR DOH-LAS case it has well and truly pushed the envelope in the same vein as EK's attempt at opening DXB-PTY.

Maybe and perhaps it won't work out, but I wouldn't exactly call it crazy to see opportunity in one-stop connecting the ME, India and SE Asia to Las Vegas.
 
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RE: QR To Launch LAS Next Year

Sat Jun 04, 2016 6:31 am

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 66):
Maybe and perhaps it won't work out, but I wouldn't exactly call it crazy to see opportunity in one-stop connecting the ME, India and SE Asia to Las Vegas.

Maybe so, but the economics of operating what will likely be a very leisure heavy, ULH flight just do not make for optimistic viewing.

We will wait and see  
 
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RE: QR To Launch LAS Next Year

Sun Jun 05, 2016 10:52 pm

Will QR codeshare with AA on this LAS DOH flight? I'd love to connect via DOH to rest of the world just to fly on their 77W metal with these seats!!!

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RE: QR To Launch LAS Next Year

Mon Jun 06, 2016 12:24 am

Not sure if this has been mentioned already but will the QR LAS flight take away passengers from QR's flights to DFW, MIA
and ORD who connect to LAS via American Airlines?
 
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RE: QR To Launch LAS Next Year

Mon Jun 06, 2016 1:18 am

Quoting dfwjim1 (Reply 69):
MIA

The people who connect at MIA are mainly going to Latin America.
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RE: QR To Launch LAS Next Year

Mon Jun 06, 2016 2:13 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 31):
Aww, how precious... lemme guess, before even looking at your profile, that you're a teenager or early 20something?

Must admit, never been to anything like that myself at 28.

But more power to anyone who does want to.
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RE: QR To Launch LAS Next Year

Mon Jun 06, 2016 2:59 am

Could this route affect BA on LHR-LAS? I figure they're getting a good amount of connecting traffic from Middle East/India/Africa.

Quoting pasu129 (Reply 68):
Will QR codeshare with AA on this LAS DOH flight? I'd love to connect via DOH to rest of the world just to fly on their 77W metal with these seats!!!

Very little is known about this route yet. It was announced by AAB on Friday and that's it. McCarran Airport on Twitter says they've heard nothing from QR yet. I'm waiting anxiously for more info....
 
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RE: QR To Launch LAS Next Year

Mon Jun 06, 2016 3:56 am

Quoting pasu129 (Reply 68):

Those seats are not on the 77W. Only the A380, 787, and A350's.
 
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RE: QR To Launch LAS Next Year

Mon Jun 06, 2016 4:54 am

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 42):
A 777-300ER should make dxb - las, or dxb - den,

No doubt, but the inverse isn't true. No chance in hell of a 77W doing DEN-DXB with profit-potential payload.
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RE: QR To Launch LAS Next Year

Mon Jun 06, 2016 4:56 am

Quoting Ytraveller (Reply 72):
McCarran Airport on Twitter says they've heard nothing from QR yet.

QR not communicating?? Never haha  

Seems that its a common complaint about them so we will see what occurs. AAB has a habit of announcing things before they are confirmed.
 
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RE: QR To Launch LAS Next Year

Mon Jun 06, 2016 11:24 am

This is fantastic news! Flying into LAS makes for easy access to the amazing national parks up in Utah as well as down to Arizona (compared to flying into LAX, JFK, IAD which is what I usually end up finding).

How is immigration @ LAS compared to LAX, SFO and other major points of entry to the US?

And is this loaded in GDS yet, I checked their website and it currently still shows 2-stop options only (from Dubai).

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RE: QR To Launch LAS Next Year

Mon Jun 06, 2016 3:26 pm

Little more info:

"Qatar’s national carrier is planning to launch service directly from Doha to Las Vegas, a spokesperson has confirmed.

However, no specific date for the route has been announced, and will depend on aircraft availability among other factors, she told Doha News."

http://dohanews.co/qatar-airways-introduce-doha-las-vegas-route/

Quoting RohanDXB (Reply 76):
Flying into LAS makes for easy access to the amazing national parks up in Utah as well as down to Arizona

Great point, there is more beyond the Strip to see in LAS like the Grand Canyon.

Quoting RohanDXB (Reply 76):
How is immigration @ LAS compared to LAX, SFO and other major points of entry to the US?

The line is never long for US citizens like myself   But from what I've seen it isn't as bad as other cities. Thursday and Sunday are peak days though, in the afternoon when all the European flights arrive around the same time.
 
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RE: QR To Launch LAS Next Year

Mon Jun 06, 2016 7:01 pm

Article from Routesonline out: http://www.routesonline.com/news/29/...as-debut-ahead-of-routes-americas/

"A Qatar Airways official has now confirmed the plans of the carrier, although remained tight-lipped over the proposed schedule and launch date.

"It is estimated that Qatar Airways will be targeting the sizeable O&D flows between destinations across Asia, Africa and the Middle East to and from Las Vegas each year. Around 340,000 annual passengers flew between the Far East and Las Vegas last year, according to Sabre Market Intelligence data with a market of around 125,000 from Australia. There are sizeable flows of over 80,000 annual passengers to/from both southeast and central Asia, around 55,000 to/from the Middle East, 35,000 to/from Africa and approximately 19,000 to/from the Gulf.

"Although yields are historically not strong in and out of Las Vegas, Qatar Airways will aim to take advantage of the considerable MICE traffic in and out of the US city to sustainably support the strong leisure flows."
 
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RE: QR To Launch LAS Next Year

Mon Jun 06, 2016 7:11 pm

Quoting Ytraveller (Reply 78):

"It is estimated that Qatar Airways will be targeting the sizeable O&D flows between destinations across Asia, Africa and the Middle East to and from Las Vegas each year. Around 340,000 annual passengers flew between the Far East and Las Vegas last year, according to Sabre Market Intelligence data with a market of around 125,000 from Australia. There are sizeable flows of over 80,000 annual passengers to/from both southeast and central Asia, around 55,000 to/from the Middle East, 35,000 to/from Africa and approximately 19,000 to/from the Gulf.

The lens just a wee bit rosy isn't it ? I don't see how this service is really that attractive for anyone from Australia (except PER), New Zealand, or northeast Asia. ICN-LAS nonstop is 6021sm, but it's a whopping 12514sm via DOH, at 208% of the nonstop distance. Even from SIN, it's a good 3100sm longer than via ICN.

I don't doubt QR has their ways to fill the plane, but realistically, their catchment is still Africa, Middle East, Central Asia, South Asia, and the lower-yielding portions of Southeast Asia.

Too bad it's not DXB-LAS ... a nonstop link between the 2 most artificial man-made desert cities.
 
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RE: QR To Launch LAS Next Year

Mon Jun 06, 2016 7:38 pm

Quoting crownvic (Reply 32):
With a lot of cargo coming off the west coast to the ME, I am sure that QR will use LAS as an overflow market and truck goods there, when their LAX freight is heavy. I

That is very funny. QR barely can fill a freighter from LAX (that is not daily) and that cargo goes mostly to Europe. The ME has lots of super rich but that isn't a big enough air freight market to sustain airlines. And an almost non existent freight market from the ME.

This is a gamble (pun intended?) to put their name in the papers again, and hope enough people can fill the seats If the route even starts next year. They aren't in it to make money they are in it to have publicity.

The joke is on the ME, they are struggling with finances and it is getting only worse. The house of cards will not last much longer.

EK have been alienating their employee groups most important the pilots to cut costs. Eventually QR will have to face reality too. Bringing out more taxes on their few citizens to prop up budgets is the last gasp of dying regimes.

[Edited 2016-06-06 12:44:09]
 
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RE: QR To Launch LAS Next Year

Mon Jun 06, 2016 7:43 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Thread starter):
Qatar Airways will start flights to Las Vegas in January 2017. Aircraft will be 777-300ER.

Source IATA summit http://twitter.com/AirFlottau/status...40416

I wonder if anybody has already reserved the A380 gate for the day of the inaugural?  
 
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RE: QR To Launch LAS Next Year

Mon Jun 06, 2016 7:45 pm

Quoting Ytraveller (Reply 77):

Great point, there is more beyond the Strip to see in LAS like the Grand Canyon.

Popular with European and Asian travellers on holiday, who are not going to fly to DOH just to get to LAS when there are easier links close to home.
 
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RE: QR To Launch LAS Next Year

Mon Jun 06, 2016 8:36 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 79):
The lens just a wee bit rosy isn't it ? I don't see how this service is really that attractive for anyone from Australia (except PER), New Zealand, or northeast Asia. ICN-LAS nonstop is 6021sm, but it's a whopping 12514sm via DOH, at 208% of the nonstop distance. Even from SIN, it's a good 3100sm longer than via ICN.

I don't see it attracting pax from East Asia or Australia either, but if the price is right who knows.

Quoting enilria (Reply 81):
I wonder if anybody has already reserved the A380 gate for the day of the inaugural?

No worries, no airline flies A380s to LAS   LAS doesn't have a lot of remote parking but there is one gate at Terminal 3 that can handle it.

Quoting b747400erf (Reply 80):
This is a gamble (pun intended?) to put their name in the papers again, and hope enough people can fill the seats If the route even starts next year. They aren't in it to make money they are in it to have publicity.

Well, we can just wait and see. When BA launched LAS from LHR instead of LGW people were skeptical, but the route is now operating 11x weekly with 747s. Not that DOH-LAS is very similar, but there is a lot of connecting traffic to LAS from many parts of the world.
 
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RE: QR To Launch LAS Next Year

Tue Jun 07, 2016 1:50 am

It was mentioned previously that EK might leapfrog QR and actually come into LAS first. They did the same at BOS with TK, which announced first but had to watch as Emirates swooped in to steal their thunder.
 
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RE: QR To Launch LAS Next Year

Tue Jun 07, 2016 3:29 am

Quoting b747400erf (Reply 80):
Quoting crownvic (Reply 32):
With a lot of cargo coming off the west coast to the ME, I am sure that QR will use LAS as an overflow market and truck goods there, when their LAX freight is heavy. I

That is very funny. QR barely can fill a freighter from LAX (that is not daily) and that cargo goes mostly to Europe. The ME has lots of super rich but that isn't a big enough air freight market to sustain airlines. And an almost non existent freight market from the ME.

This is a gamble (pun intended?) to put their name in the papers again, and hope enough people can fill the seats If the route even starts next year. They aren't in it to make money they are in it to have publicity.

The joke is on the ME, they are struggling with finances and it is getting only worse. The house of cards will not last much longer.

EK have been alienating their employee groups most important the pilots to cut costs. Eventually QR will have to face reality too. Bringing out more taxes on their few citizens to prop up budgets is the last gasp of dying regimes.

[Edited 2016-0

OK, and do you have facts that back up your comment that there is poor freight loads from the west coast to the ME? Just because a flight is not daily, does not mean it is not performing well. I have no information on how QR is doing from the west coast of the U.S. to the ME, but I do know from sources that a lot of freight moves in the ME from the U.S., where the return loads tend to be much weaker.
 
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RE: QR To Launch LAS Next Year

Tue Jun 07, 2016 5:39 am

Quoting RohanDXB (Reply 76):
How is immigration @ LAS compared to LAX, SFO and other major points of entry to the US?

A heck of a lot better than most places, certainly better than any terminal at LAX except when the 744's from BA and VS come in, then there can be a bit of a line for non US, but still nothing compared to LAX.

Quoting a380787 (Reply 79):
Too bad it's not DXB-LAS ... a nonstop link between the 2 most artificial man-made desert cities.

Las Vegas = The Meadows, it was founded next to a natural spring, nothing really artificial about it, at least compared to DXB.

Quoting Ytraveller (Reply 83):
LAS doesn't have a lot of remote parking but there is one gate at Terminal 3 that can handle it.

There is a fair amount to the east of T3, but really, it's not needed at most times of the day.
 
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RE: QR To Launch LAS Next Year

Tue Jun 07, 2016 5:48 am

Quoting jetwet1 (Reply 86):
There is a fair amount to the east of T3, but really, it's not needed at most times of the day.

Fair amount to say the least! BA parked their 772 for over a month!   .
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RE: QR To Launch LAS Next Year

Tue Jun 07, 2016 6:38 am

Quoting a380787 (Reply 79):
The lens just a wee bit rosy isn't it ? I don't see how this service is really that attractive for anyone from Australia (except PER), New Zealand, or northeast Asia. ICN-LAS nonstop is 6021sm, but it's a whopping 12514sm via DOH, at 208% of the nonstop distance. Even from SIN, it's a good 3100sm longer than via ICN.

I don't doubt QR has their ways to fill the plane, but realistically, their catchment is still Africa, Middle East, Central Asia, South Asia, and the lower-yielding portions of Southeast Asia.

Too bad it's not DXB-LAS ... a nonstop link between the 2 most artificial man-made desert cities.

I agree - including Australia & the far-east in the potential market seems a bit too far-fetched. I can't imagine why anyone would want to do two brutal long-hauls when there are quite a few options far closer.

Given the number of Indians I see traveling to that part of the US, I would expect them to constitute a good chunk of travelers on this route. I expect to see a rise in the number of bachelor party invitations to Vegas instead of Amsterdam & Bangkok.

I know it's anecdotal but I was once traveling from SFO to HKG via ICN on KE. I was sitting in the rear section of the 777 (L I think) and that entire section was filled with an Indian group headed from Nevada to Ahmedabad for a wedding (via SFO, ICN & BOM) with a number of them owning motels there. I wonder if there are other such groups in that region who can help keep some reasonable loads albeit at low yields.

QR needs to time it right for connections with their India-bound flights. Pity that they have such a small footprint in India (relative to EK).

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RE: QR To Launch LAS Next Year

Tue Jun 07, 2016 6:55 am

Quoting jetwet1 (Reply 86):

Dubai is no less artificial, it has been a trading port for centuries as it provided a nice safe harbor in Dubai creek.

Both Las Vegas and Dubai were legitimate towns before becoming bling central. Neither were purpose built from scratch.
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AABB777
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RE: QR To Launch LAS Next Year

Tue Jun 07, 2016 11:57 am

Quoting behramjee (Reply 90):
Here are press releases:

1. http://dohanews.co/qatar-airways-introduce-doha-las-vegas-route/

2. http://gulfnews.com/business/aviatio...xt-stage-of-us-expansion-1.1839737

These are both news coverage of the announcement by the CEO. Still no official media release from QR.
 
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RE: QR To Launch LAS Next Year

Tue Jun 07, 2016 3:23 pm

Quoting RohanDXB (Reply 88):
I know it's anecdotal but I was once traveling from SFO to HKG via ICN on KE. I was sitting in the rear section of the 777 (L I think) and that entire section was filled with an Indian group headed from Nevada to Ahmedabad for a wedding (via SFO, ICN & BOM) with a number of them owning motels there. I wonder if there are other such groups in that region who can help keep some reasonable loads albeit at low yields.

There is a sizable Indian population in Las Vegas. Several (North) Indian restaurants, a few community organizations, a Hindu temple, gurdwara, grocery stores, Indian food festival etc. Of course nothing to the extent of SFO or LAX.

If this route is around next summer I would most likely take it en route to BLR.

Quoting RohanDXB (Reply 88):
QR needs to time it right for connections with their India-bound flights. Pity that they have such a small footprint in India (relative to EK).

I'm sure they will, as this route is going after tourists from India and nearby regions.

Quoting AABB777 (Reply 91):
These are both news coverage of the announcement by the CEO. Still no official media release from QR.

The Doha News article states that the route has additionally been confirmed by a spokesperson, but no schedule etc is out yet. This is like when AAB announced AKL and SCL in January, but the schedules didn't come out till March. Hoping LAS doesn't go the way of SCL.
 
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RE: QR To Launch LAS Next Year

Tue Jun 07, 2016 4:58 pm

Very unusual destination for QR...im guessing a 30%LF on average.
 
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RE: QR To Launch LAS Next Year

Tue Jun 07, 2016 5:04 pm

Quoting Ytraveller (Reply 83):
When BA launched LAS from LHR instead of LGW people were skeptical, but the route is now operating 11x weekly with 747s. Not that DOH-LAS is very similar, but there is a lot of connecting traffic to LAS from many parts of the world.

But you just admit at the end, this comparison is not comparable!

Quoting crownvic (Reply 85):

OK, and do you have facts that back up your comment that there is poor freight loads from the west coast to the ME?

I have no inside information, I only go by watching the flights on flightradar and calculating their loads based on their cruising altitude. In another topic I did the same watching the Swiss 77W. From DOH and DXB cargo aircraft are going out very light, sometimes empty as the DHL and TNT flights show. The QR Cargo 77X comes empty from MEX and is under-loaded out of LAX by 30-40.000 kgs and even lighter after the stop in Europe.
 
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RE: QR To Launch LAS Next Year

Tue Jun 07, 2016 5:13 pm

Quoting b747400erf (Reply 94):
But you just admit at the end, this comparison is not comparable!

I said not that it's *very* similar. There is a ton of traffic from Europe to LAS and BA is getting a lot of it through LHR. I also bet they get a good amount from the Middle East/India. Now those Middle East/India travelers can go through DOH.
 
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RE: QR To Launch LAS Next Year

Tue Jun 07, 2016 5:16 pm

I wonder how the new QR flight will affect the loads on the current QR flight to/from DFW?
 
BravoOne
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RE: QR To Launch LAS Next Year

Tue Jun 07, 2016 5:48 pm

Maybe they won't have a gate for them in LAS either. Don't know why this should matter as I don't recall ever having a gate during my travels through Doha in years past.
 
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RE: QR To Launch LAS Next Year

Tue Jun 07, 2016 5:52 pm

Quoting BravoOne (Reply 97):
Maybe they won't have a gate for them in LAS either. Don't know why this should matter as I don't recall ever having a gate during my travels through Doha in years past.

Good thing DL doesn't control LAS they want they can dictate matters at ATL or DTW. In any case, all international arrivals must dock at LAS T3-E, while DL is way out in the satellite concourse of T1-D.
 
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RE: QR To Launch LAS Next Year

Tue Jun 07, 2016 9:17 pm

Quoting dfwjim1 (Reply 96):

I wonder how the new QR flight will affect the loads on the current QR flight to/from DFW?

Shouldn't have a significant impact. LAS schedules aren't such that the airport is used as a connect point, and LAS isn't a common behind/beyond point for the type of traffic that DOHDFW is commonly carrying.

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