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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 142

Tue Jun 07, 2016 5:49 am

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 49):
there is definitely ramp space to accommodate a widebody

Oh for sure, Qantas operated 767s into CBR in an on-again-off-again fashion for several years. At the old terminal the 767s were always boarded by stairs but at the new terminal they used regular bays with an air bridge. What I can't remember is whether they blocked the adjacent gates, and the 777s wing span is quite a bit wider.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 49):
unless the international gate is going to be at either end of the concourse I'd say they would need to block of adjacent gates to accommodate.

It's not at the end, I'm pretty sure that it is Gate 5. Looking at the satellite image it definitely appears that the distance between 4-5 and 5-6 is quite a bit wider than between 6-7 and 7-8 so maybe they have thought this one through and that gate can accommodate widebody aircraft.

To go back to my original thought, presuming that 6 is not impacted then I'm sure that Virgin can run their normal operation out of 6, 7 and the ground level gates with 5 out of action due to an impromptu diversion.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 142

Tue Jun 07, 2016 6:04 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 48):
Here is a picture of a previous Qantas 747 diversion, three years ago on 23 May 2013. From the control tower and hanger you can see that it is on the Fairbairn ramp.

Thanks for the photo.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 48):
Of course that one was fun as the passengers were eventually allowed to disembark and walk around the ramp area, closely supervised of course, as there was nowhere else for them to go.

And some got heatstroke IIRC. The other day, they would have got drenched, had they disemarked, if they did. Such can be the nature of a diversion in the first place.

Yes, you are right, Gate 5 sounds right from your description.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 142

Tue Jun 07, 2016 7:20 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 50):
It's not at the end, I'm pretty sure that it is Gate 5. Looking at the satellite image it definitely appears that the distance between 4-5 and 5-6 is quite a bit wider than between 6-7 and 7-8 so maybe they have thought this one through and that gate can accommodate widebody aircraft.

To go back to my original thought, presuming that 6 is not impacted then I'm sure that Virgin can run their normal operation out of 6, 7 and the ground level gates with 5 out of action due to an impromptu diversion.

Would the 777s be able to use the full-length taxiways or will they have to backtrack? They look a little narrow for a wide body.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 142

Tue Jun 07, 2016 7:22 am

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 49):
SQ is going to use a 777-200 on the route so there is definitely ramp space to accommodate a widebody. Not sure if an adjacent gate needs to be blocked off. Looking at the google maps image of the Airport, unless the international gate is going to be at either end of the concourse I'd say they would need to block of adjacent gates to accommodate.

also worth remembering that the service will essentially operate outside the peaks.

0935 - 1050 layover inbound. so the majority of the domestic peak to/from CBR is done by 9am

outbound to SIN the flight is 2305-0030, so again, no issue with other traffic.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 142

Tue Jun 07, 2016 8:43 am

In regards to the SQ CBR service, will the tech and cabin crew layover in CBR for one night then again in AKL for another night? I imagine just in CBR for one night then operate to AKL then straight back to CBR for another night, then back to SIN. Is that the plan?  
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 142

Tue Jun 07, 2016 8:54 am

Quoting a36001 (Reply 54):

Unless SQ have announced a CBR - AKL service which no one apart from you knows about, I think your meaning WLG.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 142

Tue Jun 07, 2016 9:08 am

Quoting a36001 (Reply 54):
In regards to the SQ CBR service, will the tech and cabin crew layover in CBR for one night then again in AKL for another night? I imagine just in CBR for one night then operate to AKL then straight back to CBR for another night, then back to SIN. Is that the plan?  

I'd be stunned if that was the plan given they're doing CBR-WLG.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 142

Tue Jun 07, 2016 9:19 am

Quoting a36001 (Reply 54):

I initially assumed that it would be SIN-CBR/CBR-WLG-CBR/CBR-SIN but they have about 5 hours in WLG so I'm not sure whether they would time out? After all EK slip in AKL and CHC, whereas LAN do AKL-SYD-SYD as one trip but with only about 2 hours in SYD.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 142

Tue Jun 07, 2016 11:31 pm

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 48):
In the past they have been parked on the Fairbairn ramp, on the other side of the runway from the terminal.

QF128 parked on Fairbairn on Sunday as well  
Quoting Goodbye (Reply 52):
Would the 777s be able to use the full-length taxiways or will they have to backtrack? They look a little narrow for a wide body.

Absolutely they can use Taxiway B from the terminal down to RWY35. QF128 did so on Sunday, and the ANA 77W that visited last year or the year before did also. TWY A from Fairbairn to RWY17 is a different story, even the QF767s didn't use that and I believe the ERSA prohibits it.

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 53):
also worth remembering that the service will essentially operate outside the peaks.

0935 - 1050 layover inbound. so the majority of the domestic peak to/from CBR is done by 9am

outbound to SIN the flight is 2305-0030, so again, no issue with other traffic.

You're right about the morning turn, but bear in mind the evening turn is after the majority (if not all) of the nightstopping QF and VA aircraft have arrived. I know there are bays marked up for B777 and A330 etc out there, but can't remember which and I don't know whether the adjacent bays are blocked when those aircraft are occupying. If they do need to be blocked, that would require domestic aircraft to be towed away and brought back.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 142

Wed Jun 08, 2016 12:43 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 57):
SIN-CBR/CBR-WLG-CBR/CBR-SIN

I am so looking forward to this service commencing
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 142

Wed Jun 08, 2016 12:58 am

Quoting Unclekoru (Reply 46):
I was referring to the addition of a Tasman return in lieu of leaving the aircraft in SYD. Fixed costs would increase due to the establishment of the new station although I imagine these would be small change in the grand scheme of things.

Ah, got you. Youre right in that case.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 142

Wed Jun 08, 2016 3:27 am

Quoting a36001 (Reply 54):
Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 57):

On the topic of crew rest / layover, does anybody know how the crew on EK418 / 419 DXB-BKK-SYD-CHC-SYD-BKK-DXB are rested?
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 142

Wed Jun 08, 2016 3:30 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 61):

Every stop, BKK, SYD, CHC, SYD, BKK. It's an 8 day trip so you either love it or hate it!
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 142

Wed Jun 08, 2016 3:53 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 62):

The SYD-CHC-SYD rotation is operated by the same crew I believe, so they'd stay in SYD twice. I've never seen the crew get of f at CHC, I might be wrong though.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 142

Wed Jun 08, 2016 4:07 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 62):
Every stop, BKK, SYD, CHC, SYD, BKK. It's an 8 day trip so you either love it or hate it!

Is this a recent change? I was told once by an EK cabin crew member that the pattern was:

DXB-BKK
BKK-SYD
SYD-CHC-SYD (as the ground stop in CHC is only a couple of hours)
and return with same rest stops.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 142

Wed Jun 08, 2016 4:42 am

Quoting Boof (Reply 64):

Every stop, BKK, SYD, CHC, SYD, BKK. It's an 8 day trip so you either love it or hate it!

Is this a recent change? I was told once by an EK cabin crew member that the pattern was:

DXB-BKK
BKK-SYD
SYD-CHC-SYD (as the ground stop in CHC is only a couple of hours)
and return with same rest stops.

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I always thought EK crew operated the Tasman routes as a turn, but maybe not as I met an EK cabin crew member in Auckland. I didn't ask if it was a normal layover location or a one off.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 142

Wed Jun 08, 2016 5:05 am

Quoting a320fan (Reply 65):
I always thought EK crew operated the Tasman routes as a turn, but maybe not as I met an EK cabin crew member in Auckland. I didn't ask if it was a normal layover location or a one off.

In the afternoon you usually 3x buses full of EK crews heading along Mount Eden Road, towards the airport.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 142

Wed Jun 08, 2016 5:10 am

Quoting DeltaB717 (Reply 58):
I believe the ERSA prohibits it.

Having just read the ERSA, can confirm TWY A not available to Code D or higher aircraft unless the aircraft's operator has an exemption from CASA.

Quoting DeltaB717 (Reply 58):
I know there are bays marked up for B777 and A330 etc out there, but can't remember which and I don't know whether the adjacent bays are blocked when those aircraft are occupying.

ERSA doesn't have any mention of Bay X being unavailable when Code Y aircraft parked on Bay Z, so it would seem they are all designed to not block adjacent gates. Out of interest the widebody gates are 4A, 5A, 9, 13A and 14A.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 142

Wed Jun 08, 2016 5:28 am

Quoting a320fan (Reply 65):
I always thought EK crew operated the Tasman routes as a turn, but maybe not as I met an EK cabin crew member in Auckland. I didn't ask if it was a normal layover location or a one off.

It's nearly a 5 hour stopover in AKL. So, doing SYD-AKL-SYD, with a 5 hour stop would probably breach crewing hours. Same applies with the MEL and BNE flight. CHC on the other hand is a shorter layover.

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Wed Jun 08, 2016 5:41 am

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 68):
It's nearly a 5 hour stopover in AKL. So, doing SYD-AKL-SYD, with a 5 hour stop would probably breach crewing hours. Same applies with the MEL and BNE flight. CHC on the other hand is a shorter layover.

I assume the SO from the DXB-Aust sector is on a completely different roster and returns to DXB sooner as they would not be required for the Aust-AKL sectors. Is this correct?
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 142

Wed Jun 08, 2016 6:29 am

Quoting tullamarine (Reply 69):
Quoting CXfirst (Reply 68):It's nearly a 5 hour stopover in AKL. So, doing SYD-AKL-SYD, with a 5 hour stop would probably breach crewing hours. Same applies with the MEL and BNE flight. CHC on the other hand is a shorter layover.

I assume the SO from the DXB-Aust sector is on a completely different roster and returns to DXB sooner as they would not be required for the Aust-AKL sectors. Is this correct?

Perhaps having a relief crew is what allows them to do out and back?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 142

Wed Jun 08, 2016 7:37 am

Quoting a7ala (Reply 26):
Infact the situation below was less than a month ago and followed another day which was fog affected:

I caught ZK-OXI landing that morning. Very foggy indeed!
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The fog was gone by ~0900 and the schedule returned to normal fairly quickly. Of course a lot of early morning Link services had been cancelled or severely delayed, so the impact of the fog was still being felt much later in the day.

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 68):
So, doing SYD-AKL-SYD, with a 5 hour stop would probably breach crewing hours. Same applies with the MEL and BNE flight. CHC on the other hand is a shorter layover.

The crew stay overnight in Auckland.

Quoting tullamarine (Reply 69):
I assume the SO from the DXB-Aust sector is on a completely different roster and returns to DXB sooner as they would not be required for the Aust-AKL sectors. Is this correct?

A single crew (Captain + FO) flies the MEL/SYD/BNE to AKL sector. The relief crew stay in Australia.

I've been told that the crews on the non-stop DXB-AKL route only get a single days rest in Auckland; arriving at ~1000 and departing at 2015 the next day. Can anyone confirm this? The GCAA rules regarding duty times and rest periods are crazy, so it doesn't seem to be outside the realm of possibility.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 142

Wed Jun 08, 2016 8:18 am

Quoting zkojq (Reply 71):

Surely not re the DXB-AKL crew, you get charters or freighters sometimes I think with minimum crew rest but the longest flight in the world operated daily.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 142

Wed Jun 08, 2016 9:24 am

Quoting zkojq (Reply 71):
The crew stay overnight in Auckland.

Isn't this one of the ways that EK get away with minimum rest? They come in on DXB-Australia, minimum hours rest, then fly to AKL for a slightly longer layover, then back to Australia for minimum hours and then back to DXB?

Quoting zkojq (Reply 71):
I've been told that the crews on the non-stop DXB-AKL route only get a single days rest in Auckland; arriving at ~1000 and departing at 2015 the next day. Can anyone confirm this? The GCAA rules regarding duty times and rest periods are crazy, so it doesn't seem to be outside the realm of possibility.
Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 72):
Surely not re the DXB-AKL crew, you get charters or freighters sometimes I think with minimum crew rest but the longest flight in the world operated daily.

Pretty sure that I've read this elsewhere and what zkojq says is correct. It's a single day rest as they operate 2 full tech crews on the flight (not that I think that is ok however)

Also I seem to recall that with the A345 that scrapped the tail at MEL one of the factors for the error was that the crew came in the day prior and was on minimum hours rest.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 142

Wed Jun 08, 2016 10:23 am

Apologies it appears CHC is a turn, AKL is defiantly a stop from all three Australian ports.

Quoting Boof (Reply 73):

Certainly for the BNE and MEL turns they have about 26 hours in Australia in both directions and 30 hours in AKL, certainly not minimum rest.

I thought that it was the same for Sydney, but are you suggesting that they do EK414/EK412/EK413/EK415?
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 142

Wed Jun 08, 2016 12:11 pm

Looks like EK409 is finally ditching the stop in KUL and going direct to DXB. Unable to book flights MEL to KUL December onwards.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 142

Wed Jun 08, 2016 12:45 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 55):
Quoting coolian2 (Reply 56):

haha yes I meant Wellington   Thanks everyone for the information on crewing this (and EK's) services. It's quite interesting to an airline geek!

I used to work at the Hilton in Sydney (many many years ago) and we were the layover hotel for UAL from LAX and SFO, the pilots would stay one night the cabin crew two nights. Then the MEL add on was introduced this would mean they would do a day trip to MEL come back for one night then go to LAX (or SFO can't really remember). Nice bunch of people...mostly.  
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 142

Thu Jun 09, 2016 12:16 am

Quoting qf29 (Reply 75):
Looks like EK409 is finally ditching the stop in KUL and going direct to DXB. Unable to book flights MEL to KUL December onwards.

Airlineroute.net confirms it: Emirates Ends Malaysia - Australia Service in Oct 2016

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Emirates in Northern winter season is ending service between Malaysia and Australia, as the airline cancels Kuala Lumpur – Melbourne sector, effective 30OCT16.
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EK408 DXB0300 – 2320MEL 77W D
EK409 MEL0600 – 1305DXB 77W D

KUL-DXB will reduce from 4x to 3x daily with this change.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 142

Thu Jun 09, 2016 12:29 am

Quoting qf29 (Reply 75):

Interesting - will reduce QF's ability to tout its connections into Asia as a result of the EK deal. I wonder if any replacement is being considered by QF, perhaps with better timings for business pax?
 
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Thu Jun 09, 2016 1:30 am

Quoting qf2220 (Reply 78):
Interesting - will reduce QF's ability to tout its connections into Asia as a result of the EK deal. I wonder if any replacement is being considered by QF, perhaps with better timings for business pax?

I wonder if this is the a prequel to QF and MH getting closer together. Like the QF/EK tie-up, EK and MH are already in a JSA, maybe this will become a three-cornered arrangement with QF and EK both code (and revenue??) sharing on MH services between KUL and Aust.

MEL-KUL is already over-serviced and the EK service had terrible arrival and departure times in MEL so I'm not surprised that of the 3 EK services to MEL, it is the one that gets dumped.
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Thu Jun 09, 2016 1:35 am

Quoting tullamarine (Reply 79):
I wonder if this is the a prequel to QF and MH getting closer together.

It could make sense. Ive always thought a MH/QF link would be a good move for South East Asia traffic, feeding the MH hub at KUL for distribution throughout the region (and into India). Of course, its been mooted before and fallen apart, but QF is stronger now and perhaps would bring something of value to MH? And MH still needs the help.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 142

Thu Jun 09, 2016 1:56 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 62):
Every stop, BKK, SYD, CHC, SYD, BKK. It's an 8 day trip so you either love it or hate it!
Quoting CHCalfonzo (Reply 63):
The SYD-CHC-SYD rotation is operated by the same crew I believe, so they'd stay in SYD twice. I've never seen the crew get of f at CHC, I might be wrong though.
Quoting Boof (Reply 64):
SYD-CHC-SYD (as the ground stop in CHC is only a couple of hours)
Quoting a320fan (Reply 65):
I always thought EK crew operated the Tasman routes as a turn,
Quoting CXfirst (Reply 68):
CHC on the other hand is a shorter layover.
Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 74):
Apologies it appears CHC is a turn, AKL is defiantly a stop from all three Australian ports.

Great info!

The reason I ask now is because for some time the DXB-SYD non-stop EK flights are all A380 equip so the only EK 777 and 777 crew in SYD is the EK418 / 419 metal / crew that goes to DXB via BKK IIRC. So, that crew has to operate the 777 CHC sector from SYD - (SYD-CHC-SYD on the same duty makes sense).

However, when one of the non-stops into SYD from DXB was a 777, EK had 2 777s (2 x 777 crews) in SYD, I was told three different scheduling patterns were possible for operating the SYD-CHC-SYD sector:

1) Crew 1 - DXB-BKK-SYD-CHC-SYD-BKK-DXB - like what must happen now.
Crew 2 - DXB-SYD-DXB - (Now A380 only)

2) Crew 1 - DXB-BKK-SYD-BKK-DXB
Crew 2 - DXB-SYD-CHC-SYD-DXB

3) Crew 1 - DXB-BKK-SYD-CHC-SYD-DXB
Crew 2 - DXB-SYD-CHC-SYD-BKK-DXB

Does anybody know which of the above patterns happened when EK had two 777s and therefore two 777 crews in SYD before the A380 dominated DXB-SYD non-stop?
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 142

Thu Jun 09, 2016 5:40 am

Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 77):

Could we see the SIN tag on also dropped soon?
 
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Thu Jun 09, 2016 5:49 am

Quoting qf29 (Reply 75):
Looks like EK409 is finally ditching the stop in KUL and going direct to DXB. Unable to book flights MEL to KUL December onwards.

Makes perfect sense for EK

the 03.00 departure bank is strong from almost all european connections. It's probably been pushed to 03.00 rather than slightly earlier to give it a little separation from QF 10 at 01.00

and 6am ex MEL is far better than 0335, and the schedule would work well.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 142

Thu Jun 09, 2016 3:36 pm

For those interested QR load factors (according to BITRE) for first month of operation (March)

Inbound 6298 62%
Outbound 9393 93%

This is based on 30 services for the month (first dep form SYD was the 2nd). Total available seats for the month 10075 each way (3 x 77L-42J217Y, 16 x 77W-42J293Y and 11 x 77W-42J316Y)
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 142

Thu Jun 09, 2016 10:08 pm

The AFR is reporting that China's Nanshan Group will buy NZ's stake in VA. More to come soon.

Edit: Note that the Nanshan Group specialise in aluminium so VA should get a good price should they decide to scrap the fleet. Big grin

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 142

Thu Jun 09, 2016 10:17 pm

Quoting allrite (Reply 85):
Edit: Note that the Nanshan Group specialise in aluminium so VA should get a good price should they decide to scrap the fleet. 

Trade-in for the F100/F50 fleet?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 142

Thu Jun 09, 2016 10:35 pm

Quoting qf2220 (Reply 82):
Could we see the SIN tag on also dropped soon


Never. EK405 was just recently upgraded to an A380 + 405 connects perfectly to 349 to CMB. Alot of people use EK ex MEL to Sri Lanka.
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Thu Jun 09, 2016 10:41 pm

Quoting allrite (Reply 85):
The AFR is reporting that China's Nanshan Group will buy NZ's stake in VA.

Nanshan is buying 19.98% as it can't buy greater than 20% without triggering takeover provisions. The question is whether they will gradually mop up the remaining NZ stake or whether NZ will hold the remaining 6% to keep a chair at the VA table, albeit outside the board table.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 142

Thu Jun 09, 2016 10:53 pm

Quoting tullamarine (Reply 88):
Nanshan is buying 19.98% as it can't buy greater than 20% without triggering takeover provisions. The question is whether they will gradually mop up the remaining NZ stake or whether NZ will hold the remaining 6% to keep a chair at the VA table, albeit outside the board table.

Under the creeping provisions SQ, EY, Virgin Group etc would be able to collectively mop up NZ's remaining shareholding if they wanted out now.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 142

Fri Jun 10, 2016 4:16 am

Quoting Goodbye (Reply 52):
Would the 777s be able to use the full-length taxiways or will they have to backtrack? They look a little narrow for a wide body.
Quoting DeltaB717 (Reply 67):
Having just read the ERSA, can confirm TWY A not available to Code D or higher aircraft unless the aircraft's operator has an exemption from CASA.

If they need to use 17 they can backtrack - there is a specific note in the ERSA that the northen end of 35 has a turning radius to accommodate a 777-300. As mentioned there is no problem with the taxiways for 35.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 48):
Here is a picture of a previous Qantas 747 diversion, three years ago on 23 May 2013. From the control tower and hanger you can see that it is on the Fairbairn ramp.

I was there that day. Had a great spot to watch the takeoff at the northern end - until, against the flow of traffic, they decided to take an intersection departure from taxiway D on 17, taking off to the south..
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 142

Fri Jun 10, 2016 4:19 am

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 89):
Under the creeping provisions SQ, EY, Virgin Group etc would be able to collectively mop up NZ's remaining shareholding if they wanted out now.

With the dilution from HNA's investment, this might reduce the overall holding to such a size that it could be sold on the open market
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 142

Fri Jun 10, 2016 4:41 am

With VA now being 40% owned by China, would this effect any of there Intentional traffic rights?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 142

Fri Jun 10, 2016 4:56 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 92):
With VA now being 40% owned by China, would this effect any of there Intentional traffic rights?

Yes, wasn't their intention is to fly to China now?  

But VA International is magically separate from and more than 50% Australian owned as distinct from the already majority foreign owned VA Domestic.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 142

Fri Jun 10, 2016 5:37 am

Some interesting (odd?) comments by AC's Asia Pacific Sales VP re the new BNE-YVR service:
1. MEL on the radar, but not in the short term. BNE must succeed- only if this flight works will MEL be considered.
2. Forward bookings were initially terrible, then picked up acceptable loads.
3. New SPA agreement signed with VA to feed regional Australia/NZ traffic via BNE... a limited QF agreement is still in place (assume to/from SYD)
4. And this comment out of left field: VP has taken a swipe at Tourism Canada saying more hotel investment is needed in some Canadian tourist destinations as this can affect BNE's performance.

FYI the only time I've ever known an airline to blame a hotel shortage on cutting a route in FJ's NAN-RAR route. However, in this case the AC BNE route is only a week old and these comments are being made. Strange times.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 142

Fri Jun 10, 2016 5:58 am

Quoting tullamarine (Reply 79):
I wonder if this is the a prequel to QF and MH getting closer together

That is indeed the plan. There are more EK strategic partnerships under negotiation, especially in Asia and Africa. Linking other airlines, is a great way to 'lock' QF and others, and put EK in the driving seat.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 142

Fri Jun 10, 2016 6:51 am

Quoting Planesmart (Reply 95):
and put EK in the driving seat.

I think EK are already in the driver's seat; without EK, QF's European strategy is nothing.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 142

Fri Jun 10, 2016 7:13 am

Quoting eta unknown (Reply 94):

Bookings must be ok now to BNE as the flight is going from 3x 788 to daily 789 from NW schedules.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 142

Fri Jun 10, 2016 7:25 am

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 97):
Bookings must be ok now to BNE as the flight is going from 3x 788 to daily 789 from NW schedules.

the route will begin operating daily in a week's time, 17th June 2016

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 142

Fri Jun 10, 2016 8:19 am

Quoting qf789 (Reply 98):
the route will begin operating daily in a week's time, 17th June 2016

Yes the daily increase has been on the cards for a while. The VP comments though are strange- one wonders if there is a problem with loads outside of peak season (when hotels in Canada wouldn't be full).

In other news, HA has downplayed a possible MEL-HNL service in the near future. A few months ago MEL was being looked at more closely, but BNE/SYD performance hasn't been as good as recent years so MEL is now in contention with a dozen other Asia/Pacific destinations. There are also no plans to reduce BNE further once it goes down to 3/week.

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