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wjcandee wrote:N1229A is on its way from TLV as GTI9623. I think it's stopping at HHN on the way. Then presumably to KRME for paint.
WAGermanPilot wrote:
Do you have any info on the ATN birds sitting in TLV? I know of the winglet ones, 1 will be sent into the Amazon network. 2 are going to be pure ATN birds.
bravoindia wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong but 371AA should be the only one on wills last post for the sake of copy for the length, that does not have winglets?
Whiplash6 wrote:Does anyone have any more info on if/when service will begin to Opa Locka?
yochai wrote:N1229A is on the way back to IAI Bedek fro HHN and should land in TLV in a few minutes as GTI9602...probably major mx issue. The frame was in a horrible shape to begin with, no surprise it took longer than others to be converted, and now this.
yochai wrote:N1229A is on the way back to IAI Bedek fro HHN and should land in TLV in a few minutes as GTI9602...probably major mx issue. The frame was in a horrible shape to begin with, no surprise it took longer than others to be converted, and now this.
Jetfixr757 wrote:It seems lots are quick to speculate but none have facts. IAI does not have an STC for winglet equipped 767-300's. So for now all stop on that. 1229A did not have a pump issue. That's all i have to say.
Jet
Jetfixr757 wrote:It seems lots are quick to speculate but none have facts. IAI does not have an STC for winglet equipped 767-300's. So for now all stop on that. 1229A did not have a pump issue. That's all i have to say.
Jet
Whiplash6 wrote:yochai wrote:N1229A is on the way back to IAI Bedek fro HHN and should land in TLV in a few minutes as GTI9602...probably major mx issue. The frame was in a horrible shape to begin with, no surprise it took longer than others to be converted, and now this.
I believe it's unable to pump fuel from the center tanks, which is a problem.
Whiplash6 wrote:Jetfixr757 wrote:It seems lots are quick to speculate but none have facts. IAI does not have an STC for winglet equipped 767-300's. So for now all stop on that. 1229A did not have a pump issue. That's all i have to say.
Jet
Oh my fault. I guess I misunderstood the crew. Maybe "inop" means something different in Europe. Carry on, mechanic.
travaz wrote:Does anyone know if they are running a schedule on the weekends? I have an order that is coming from the east coast (I am in PHX) and it is scheduled for delivery Sunday. I was curious to know if they are going to operate 7 days a week.
wjcandee wrote:Jetfixr757 wrote:It seems lots are quick to speculate but none have facts. IAI does not have an STC for winglet equipped 767-300's. So for now all stop on that. 1229A did not have a pump issue. That's all i have to say.
Jet
Thanks for the update, Jet. I think we were "speculating" about delivery dates on the WL 767s based on the expectation that the winglet issue was under control, as were the companies that have sent WL 767s to TLV for conversion. None of the customers have yet announced or even internally-communicated an expectation that delivery dates will slip. Based on your post, maybe that is coming? Or maybe IAI solves the problem.
IAI had expected the winglet STC to come through in Feb 2017, and its marketing materials and public communications reflect the ability (subject to approval) to do that work. And there has been an STC for BCF winglets since something like 2009, both for adding the winglets to BCFs and for BCF conversions of frames that already have winglets. This means that there are potential solutions if IAI has run into insurmountable problems, which I doubt.
If you want to give us more color on this, great. If not, that's okay, too.
WAGermanPilot wrote:Does this apply to those aircraft already equipped with winglets?
georgiabill wrote:Has Amazon selected an airport or airports for flights into New England? Hoping they would consider MHT, but the area lost out for a distribution center site
cvgComair wrote:N1399A has left KMZJ, says its bound for KCVG, but the flightplan shows it going to EDFH.
wjcandee wrote:Shifting topics.
Question for pilots and loadmasters: How is the operation at CVG going? Is it like it was typically for Amazon, where you walk out to an aircraft that is loaded, fueled and buttoned-up? Or is it the usual DHL last-minute-this and last-minute-that, while you sit in the pointy end waiting?
Same question about the new day sort.
MajMattMason wrote:wjcandee wrote:Shifting topics.
Question for pilots and loadmasters: How is the operation at CVG going? Is it like it was typically for Amazon, where you walk out to an aircraft that is loaded, fueled and buttoned-up? Or is it the usual DHL last-minute-this and last-minute-that, while you sit in the pointy end waiting?
Same question about the new day sort.
I've worked three flight out of CVG, and each one was an hour plus late. In typical DHL fashion, they are trying to reinvent the wheel and come up with their own loading procedures. ILN Loadmasters and rampers have tried to make time saving suggestions, but they have fallen on deaf ears.
Jetfixr757 wrote:Whiplash6 wrote:Jetfixr757 wrote:It seems lots are quick to speculate but none have facts. IAI does not have an STC for winglet equipped 767-300's. So for now all stop on that. 1229A did not have a pump issue. That's all i have to say.
Jet
Oh my fault. I guess I misunderstood the crew. Maybe "inop" means something different in Europe. Carry on, mechanic.
You did not get the full story.....They were operative my source tells me the jettison pump breakers were pulled.
Jet
FX1816 wrote:We have the winglet equipped 767 for Atlas here today at ONT, it looks great. Pretty cool to see 4 planes over at the old terminal with 3 of them being painted in Prime Air colors.
FX1816 wrote:We have the winglet equipped 767 for Atlas here today at ONT, it looks great. Pretty cool to see 4 planes over at the old terminal with 3 of them being painted in Prime Air colors.
BTVB6Flyer wrote:Does anyone know if CVG-TPA is going to stay 3x daily? The latest flight, aircraft wise came into TPA from HRL.
bravoindia wrote:Abe will have at least 2 maybe 3 flights added by end of month and at least one by Atlas. We'll see, maybe someone else knows different.
wjcandee wrote:WAGermanPilot wrote:Does this apply to those aircraft already equipped with winglets?
Yeah, they would need an STC to convert aircraft that have winglets, and they would need an STC to add winglets to already-converted aircraft.
APB and Boeing got an STC years ago that addressed both. So, right now, QPC can convert aircraft with winglets into BCFs.
IAI/Bedek started the process of getting an STC to do the former, some time ago. They did a prototype conversion that was to go to DHL. N284DH, ln 28040. The STC was expected in February, and they have been accepting aircraft with winglets for conversion in anticipation of having that STC. That's the last time I saw anything on it; guess I will have to do some research to see if there is anything out there publicly on the issue. EDIT: Okay, did a little research. The converted aircraft was doing test flights as recently as 3 weeks ago. April 12 seems to be the most recent. So I guess it's still in progress, or the tests were done and submitted and now they are waiting. I just don't know.
Yochai? Any color on this? Last we heard, you mentioned that it hadn't been sent yet to DHL because of missing paperwork from the prior owners. Nothing about lack of an STC for the conversion. I frankly had assumed that the STC had come through and it just hadn't been publicized...
yochai wrote:From a friend working for Bedek, they do seem to have some issues with the STC for winglet equipped 767's, but they should sort it out soon according to him.
wjcandee wrote:So I looked at all the Sunday flights, and as a broad sweeping generalization, everything that bypasses CVG, and almost everything going TO CVG was on-time. However, virtually everything LEAVING CVG was late, by about an hour on average, often much more.
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wjcandee wrote:So I looked at all the Sunday flights, and as a broad sweeping generalization, everything that bypasses CVG, and almost everything going TO CVG was on-time. However, virtually everything LEAVING CVG was late, by about an hour on average, often much more.
DHL has had a week to figure out how to do what the LGSTX crews at ILN did, and the LGSTX crews usually had the aircraft ready to go well before the departure time, in the best traditions of Airborne Express. Predictable, and sad. Me, personally, I would love to see the whole thing moved back to ILN, at least until Amazon's own sort facilities at CVG are ready, or maybe even chuck the whole CVG thing and see if the idiots on the Hooterville Airport Board, and the Ohio government, would play ball now.
If DHL can't run a simple cross-dock operation, as we expected they would have trouble doing, God forbid what is going to happen when they try to run a day sort.
"Business is going well enough that LGSTX Services Inc., a firm under the same parent company as Air Transport Services, wants to lease additional warehouse space from the Tampa airport.
Hillsborough County Aviation Authority board members approved a proposal Thursday for LGSTX Services to take over the lease of a 7,680-square-foot cargo building from United Airlines to use for storage and the creation of pallets for packing and shipping. The lease, which extends to September 2018 and includes renewal options, will generate more than $91,000 in rent and fees annually.
In addition, board members agreed to change the language of the airport's air service incentive program to accommodate more domestic cargo freight business. The incentive program has been used mostly to lure new commercial airliners and flights to Tampa Bay, like the direct flight to Frankfurt, Germany, on Lufthansa and to Panama City, Panama on Copa Airlines. The airport waives fees and has written checks for marketing reimbursements through the program.
For cargo flights, the incentive program only allowed international carriers to participate. That changed Thursday when board members voted to revise the language to include incentives for all cargo air service."
wjcandee wrote:bravoindia wrote:Abe will have at least 2 maybe 3 flights added by end of month and at least one by Atlas. We'll see, maybe someone else knows different.
That's great news if true. They will have to be outside your cargo rush hour, but, if so, it would seem that they could be accommodated on the ramp and maybe by the building. Maybe they are coming up with some more building space.
Atlas was pretty-clearly out of there for now, so it would be interesting to see them come back so soon.
Three new flights by the end of the month would seem to require some creative utilization of the existing fleet, or additional flights being given to ABX, because the rest of the current fleet has at least one route per day, plus 2 767-300 spares and one 767-200 ATI spare. I suppose the spares could be reduced, but unless some additional utilization of the existing fleet is planned (or more ABX flights), there is nothing coming aboard in the next couple of weeks that I am aware of, especially given that the latest Atlas aircraft from TLV just went back for additional work and likely is not yet painted. If there is one coming soon from QPG, then those are apparently arriving already-painted, but would still take a little bit to put into revenue service.
Regardless, it is great news that you are getting more service at ABE.