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OAG Changes 6/10/2016:AA-DFWPTY,-LAXGDL,DL-ATLMDE

Mon Jun 06, 2016 10:36 am

FAQ

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares departures for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

WHERE ARE SEATS SHOWN?
They aren't. This only shows departures.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Flights that do not operate every day of the month create fractional service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. For example, if a flight operates 4 times in April it will show 4/30=0.133=0.1. Also , a flight that only operates once per week may vary between 0.1 and 0.2 because a weekday may repeat either 4 or 5 times depending on the month.

WHAT ABOUT CARRIERS THAT DON'T PUBLISH A SCHEDULE 9 MONTHS AT Macedonian Airlines (Greece)">IN ADVANCE?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. I remove the schedule adds if I see them and show a year over year (YOY) comparison if I notice them.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE SKYWEST
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THIS LOOKS LIKE AN ERROR?
The carriers file the schedules. They do make mistakes. Most of the mistakes I have seen are either related to code shares not being marked as "duplicates" or carriers filing flights with invalid data such as equipment codes that are not standard. This causes flights to not appear.

CHARTERS?
Lately charters have been showing up in the database. I have no idea if that will continue.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

AA BOS-LGA SEP 13>12
AA CAK-LGA SEP 1.0>0.7
AA CLT-CHA SEP 7>6
AA CLT-EYW SEP 1.0>0
AA CLT-FAY SEP 7>6
AA CLT-GSP SEP 9>8
AA CLT-IAD SEP 9>8
AA CLT-IAH SEP 8>7
AA CLT-MGM SEP 2>3
AA CLT-ROA SEP 8>7
AA CLT-TRI SEP 6>5
AA CLT-TYS SEP 8>7
AA DCA-ACK SEP 0.3>0.1
AA DCA-EYW SEP 0.1>0.0
AA DCA-GSP SEP 3>4
AA DCA-LGA SEP 14>13
AA DCA-MCO SEP 6>4
AA DCA-MSY SEP 5>4
AA DCA-MVY SEP 0.2>0.1
AA DCA-PNS SEP 0.1>0.0
AA DCA-TPA SEP 5>3
AA DFW-BOS SEP 8>7
AA DFW-BRO SEP 4>3
AA DFW-BTR SEP 7>6
AA DFW-COS SEP 5>4
AA DFW-EWR SEP 6>5
AA DFW-FLL SEP 6>5
AA DFW-HOU SEP 9>8
AA DFW-ICT SEP 7>6
AA DFW-LIT JAN 9>8 FEB 9>8
AA DFW-PNS SEP 5>4
*AA DFW-PTY OCT 0.2>0 NOV 0.3>0 DEC 0.7>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0
AA DFW-RNO SEP 3>2.0
AA DFW-SAL SEP 0.3>0.1 OCT 0.3>0 NOV 0.8>0 DEC 0.9>0.5 JAN 1.0>0.3 FEB 1.0>0
AA DFW-SEA SEP 9>8
AA DFW-SLC SEP 6>5
AA DFW-VPS SEP 6>5
AA DFW-YYC SEP 1.0>2
AA JFK-SFO SEP 7>6
AA LAX-CMH SEP 1.0>0.7
*AA LAX-GDL SEP 1.0>0.2 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0
AA LAX-JFK SEP 13>11
AA LAX-RDU SEP 1.0>0.6
AA LAX-XNA SEP 2>1.1
AA MIA-BDL SEP 1.0>0.7
AA MIA-JAX SEP 6>5
AA MIA-PTP OCT 0.2>0
AA ORD-CHO SEP 2>3
AA ORD-ICT SEP 3>4
AA ORD-YUL SEP 3>2.0
AA PHL-BNA SEP 5>6
AA PHL-BOS SEP 12>10
AA PHL-BTV SEP 6>5
AA PHL-BWI SEP 8>7
AA PHL-CLT SEP 10>9
AA PHL-EWR SEP 7>5
AA PHL-GSO SEP 4>5
AA PHL-MHT SEP 7>6
AA PHL-SAV SEP 2>1.3
AA PHX-BUR SEP 5>4
AA PHX-DSM SEP 3>2
AA PHX-GDL SEP 2>1.8
AA PHX-LAS SEP 7>5
AA PHX-OAK SEP 4>3
AA PHX-TUS SEP 10>9
AM SFO-MEX SEP 2>3

AT IAD-CMN NOV 0.6>0.4 DEC 0.6>0.5 JAN 0.5>0.4 FEB 0.6>0.4
AT JFK-CMN NOV 1.2>1.0 DEC 1.1>1.0 JAN 1.1>1.0 FEB 1.1>1.0

B0 EWR-CDG AUG 1.0>0.8
B0 EWR-LTN AUG 0.8>0.6

B6 YOY Compare
B6 BDL-PBI JAN 1.5>1.0
B6 BDL-SJU DEC 1.5>1.7 JAN 1.6>1.4
B6 BOS-BGI DEC 0.1>0.3 JAN 0.2>0.3
B6 BOS-BNA NOV 0>1.8 DEC 0>1.8 JAN 0>2
B6 BOS-BWI NOV 5>6 DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5
B6 BOS-CLE NOV 1.9>3 DEC 1.7>3 JAN 1.8>3
B6 BOS-CUN JAN 0.7>0.9
B6 BOS-LGA NOV 0>5 DEC 0>5 JAN 0>5
B6 BOS-LIR JAN 0.3>0.1
B6 BOS-MSY NOV 1.0>2 DEC 1.0>2 JAN 1.0>2
B6 BOS-PAP DEC 0>0.2 JAN 0>0.1
B6 BOS-PIT DEC 3>4
B6 BOS-SLC DEC 0>0.9 JAN 0>1.0
B6 BOS-STI NOV 0.3>0.4
B6 BUF-LAX DEC 0>0.8
B6 DCA-NAS NOV 1.0>0.1 DEC 1.0>0.5 JAN 1.0>0.2
B6 DCA-RSW NOV 1.0>2.0 DEC 1.5>3 JAN 1.1>3
B6 DCA-TPA NOV 2>1.0 DEC 2>1.0 JAN 2>1.0
B6 EWR-PBI NOV 3>5 DEC 3>5
B6 EWR-RSW NOV 1.0>3 DEC 1.0>3 JAN 1.0>3
B6 EWR-SJU DEC 2>1.5
B6 EWR-TPA NOV 1.0>2.0 DEC 1.0>2 JAN 1.0>2
B6 FLL-ALB NOV 0>1.0
B6 FLL-BGI NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
B6 FLL-BNA NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
B6 FLL-BOG NOV 1.2>1.0 DEC 2>1.0 JAN 1.6>1.0
B6 FLL-BQN NOV 0>0.7 DEC 0>0.9 JAN 0>1.0
B6 FLL-BWI NOV 1.2>2
B6 FLL-DCA NOV 4>5
B6 FLL-EWR NOV 5>7 DEC 5>7 JAN 5>7
B6 FLL-LGA NOV 6>5 DEC 6>5 JAN 6>5
B6 FLL-MDE NOV 1.0>0.5
B6 FLL-MSY NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
B6 FLL-NAS NOV 3>5 DEC 3>5 JAN 3>5
B6 FLL-PAP NOV 1.0>2 DEC 1.6>2 JAN 1.6>2
B6 FLL-PHL NOV 0.8>2
B6 FLL-PLS NOV 0.4>1.0
B6 FLL-SAN DEC 0>0.9 JAN 0>0.7
B6 FLL-SDQ NOV 1.0>1.2 DEC 1.7>1.8 JAN 1.6>1.1
B6 FLL-SJO JAN 1.5>1.0
B6 FLL-SJU DEC 7>6
B6 FLL-SYR NOV 0>0.7 DEC 0>0.8
B6 FLL-UIO NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
B6 JFK-AUA DEC 3>1.9 JAN 1.9>1.7
B6 JFK-BDA NOV 0.8>1.0
B6 JFK-BGI NOV 1.4>1.9 DEC 2>3 JAN 1.8>3
B6 JFK-BQN NOV 1.4>1.1 JAN 2>1.5
B6 JFK-CTG JAN 0.9>0.7
B6 JFK-CUR NOV 0.3>0.4 DEC 0.3>0.5 JAN 0.3>0.4
B6 JFK-DAB NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0
B6 JFK-FLL NOV 9>8 DEC 11>10 JAN 9>8
B6 JFK-GCM NOV 0.8>0.7
B6 JFK-GND NOV 0.4>0.6 DEC 0.5>0.6
B6 JFK-KIN NOV 1.0>1.8 DEC 1.7>2 JAN 2>1.8
B6 JFK-LAX DEC 8>9 JAN 8>9
B6 JFK-LIR JAN 1.0>0.7
B6 JFK-NAS NOV 1.7>1.5 DEC 3>1.9 JAN 1.7>1.2
B6 JFK-PBI JAN 6>5
B6 JFK-PLS NOV 1.2>1.1
B6 JFK-POS DEC 1.5>1.4
B6 JFK-PSP DEC 0>0.9
B6 JFK-PUJ NOV 1.8>3
B6 JFK-RNO NOV 1.0>0.6
B6 JFK-ROC NOV 4>3
B6 JFK-RSW JAN 5>4
B6 JFK-SDQ DEC 7>6
B6 JFK-STI DEC 7>6 JAN 6>5
B6 JFK-TPA JAN 5>4
B6 LAS-SFO NOV 3>2 DEC 3>2
B6 LGA-PBI NOV 4>3 DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3
B6 LGA-RSW NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0
B6 LGA-SRQ NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0
B6 LGA-TPA NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0
B6 LGB-AUS DEC 1.5>1.0
B6 LGB-LAS NOV 3>4 DEC 3>4 JAN 3>4
B6 LGB-OAK NOV 3>4 DEC 3>4 JAN 3>4
B6 LGB-RNO NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
B6 LGB-SFO NOV 3>4 DEC 3>4 JAN 3>4
B6 MCO-ALB NOV 0>1.0
B6 MCO-BOG NOV 1.0>0.6 DEC 2.0>1.0 JAN 1.6>0.6
B6 MCO-BOS DEC 8>9
B6 MCO-BQN DEC 1.5>1.0 JAN 2.0>1.0
B6 MCO-EWR NOV 6>8 DEC 6>8 JAN 5>8
B6 MCO-JFK NOV 9>8 DEC 10>8 JAN 9>7
B6 MCO-NAS NOV 1.1>0.8 JAN 1.0>0.6
B6 MCO-PSE NOV 1.1>1.4 DEC 1.7>1.8
B6 MCO-RIC NOV 1.0>2 DEC 1.0>2 JAN 1.0>2
B6 MCO-SJU NOV 7>6 DEC 7>6

DL ATL-GRR NOV 4>5 JAN 4>5 FEB 4>5
DL ATL-IND NOV 8>9
DL ATL-LEX JAN 7>8
DL ATL-LOS AUG 1.0>0.7 SEP 0.7>0.5 OCT 0.6>0.5 NOV 0.7>0.5 FEB 0.7>0.6
*DL ATL-MDE SEP 0.9>0.4 OCT 0.9>0.4 NOV 1.0>0.1 DEC 0.9>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0
*DL ATL-OAK SEP 1.0>0 OCT 0.9>0
DL ATL-SDF NOV 9>8
DL CMH-MSP NOV 5>4
DL DTW-BGM SEP 3>1.9 OCT 3>1.8 NOV 3>1.9 DEC 3>1.8 JAN 3>1.9 FEB 3>1.9
DL FLL-RDU JAN 1.0>2 FEB 1.0>2
*DL HDN-MSP JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
DL JFK-FRA OCT 1.0>0.9
DL JFK-IAD OCT 4>3 NOV 4>3
DL JFK-SJU FEB 5>4
DL JFK-YHZ SEP 2.0>1.0
DL LAX-RDU NOV 1.4>1.0
DL MCO-MSP NOV 5>4
1RT seems like a bad harbinger
*DL MSP-RHI SEP 2>1.0 OCT 2>1.0 NOV 2>1.0 DEC 2>1.0
DL MSP-YUL NOV 1.8>1.1
DL SLC-ATL NOV 8>7

G4 CAK-SAV NOV 0.3>0.1
G4 FLL-PBG DEC 0.5>0.3 JAN 0.4>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3
G4 FWA-PGD DEC 0.6>0.4
G4 HTS-PGD NOV 0.3>0.1
G4 IND-LAS DEC 0.4>0.3 JAN 0.4>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3
G4 IND-SAV NOV 0.3>0.1
G4 LCK-SAV NOV 0.3>0.1
G4 PGD-PIT DEC 0.4>0.3 JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3
G4 PIE-TYS NOV 0.7>0.5 DEC 0.7>0.4 JAN 0.7>0.5 FEB 0.7>0.4
G4 PIT-SAV NOV 0.3>0.1
G4 SFB-TYS NOV 1.0>0.7

HA HNL-KOA OCT 19>18
HA HNL-LIH OCT 16>20
HA HNL-OGG AUG 27>26 OCT 27>25

JJ MCO-GRU DEC 1.0>1.1 JAN 1.0>1.2
JJ MIA-GIG DEC 0.5>0.7 JAN 0.4>0.6
JJ MIA-GRU JAN 1.7>1.8

JL HNL-NRT SEP 3>4

MW HNL-JHM DEC 0>8 JAN 0>8 FEB 0>8
MW HNL-MKK DEC 0>9 JAN 0>9 FEB 0>9
MW HNM-OGG DEC 0>2 JAN 0>2 FEB 0>2
MW IPL-LAX JAN 0>4 FEB 0>4
MW JHM-KOA DEC 0>4 JAN 0>4 FEB 0>4
MW JHM-MKK DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
MW JRF-MKK DEC 0>4 JAN 0>4 FEB 0>4
MW KOA-MKK DEC 0>2 JAN 0>2 FEB 0>2
MW KOA-OGG DEC 0>11 JAN 0>11 FEB 0>11
MW MKK-OGG DEC 0>9 JAN 0>9 FEB 0>9
MW MUE-OGG DEC 0>2 JAN 0>2 FEB 0>2

NH HNL-KIX AUG 0>0.2

NK YOY Compare
NK ATL-BWI DEC 1.0>2 JAN 1.0>2 FEB 1.0>2
NK ATL-MSP DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
NK ATL-MSY DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
NK BOS-BWI DEC 0>2 JAN 0>2 FEB 0>2
NK BOS-DTW DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
NK BOS-FLL DEC 1.0>2 JAN 1.0>2 FEB 1.0>2
NK BWI-DTW DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
NK BWI-FLL DEC 2>3
NK BWI-MCO DEC 0>1.0
NK DEN-LAX DEC 1.0>2 JAN 1.0>2 FEB 1.0>2
NK DEN-
 
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RE: OAG Changes 6/10/2016:AA-DFWPTY,-LAXGDL,DL-ATLMDE

Mon Jun 06, 2016 10:38 am

NK DEN-ORD DEC 1.0>2 JAN 1.0>2 FEB 1.0>2
NK DTW-CUN DEC 0.7>1.0
NK DTW-MYR FEB 0.7>0
NK DTW-PHL DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
NK FLL-BQN DEC 0.5>0.7 JAN 0.6>0.7
NK FLL-PAP DEC 1.0>0.9
NK FLL-PHL DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
NK FLL-PUJ DEC 0>0.2 JAN 0>0.1 FEB 0>0.1
NK FLL-SAL DEC 0.4>0.3
NK FLL-SAP DEC 0.7>0.8
NK FLL-SJO DEC 1.7>1.9 JAN 1.7>1.8 FEB 1.8>1.9
NK IAH-MGA DEC 0.4>0.3 JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3
NK IAH-SAL DEC 0.6>0.3 JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3
NK IAH-SJO DEC 0.6>0.5 JAN 0.5>0.4 FEB 0.6>0.4
NK LAS-PDX DEC 1.4>1.0 JAN 2>1.0 FEB 3>1.0
NK LAS-SEA DEC 0>2 JAN 0>2 FEB 0>2
NK LAX-MSY DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
NK LAX-PDX DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
NK LAX-PHL DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
NK LAX-PHX DEC 0>1.7 JAN 0>2 FEB 0>2
NK LAX-SEA DEC 0>2 JAN 0>2 FEB 0>2
NK MCO-SJU DEC 0.8>1.0 JAN 0.6>1.2 FEB 0>1.0
NK MYR-ORD FEB 0.7>0
NK SAN-SJD DEC 0.7>1.0 FEB 0.8>1.0

PY MIA-GEO SEP 0.4>0.2
PY MIA-PBM SEP 0>0.2

SN JFK-BRU NOV 1.0>0.9

*UA DEN-COD NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0
UA DEN-CUN NOV 1.9>1.5
UA DEN-MCI OCT 4>5 NOV 4>5 DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 FEB 4>5
UA DEN-OKC JAN 5>4
UA DEN-PVR NOV 0.9>0.5
UA DEN-SAF JAN 2>1.1
UA DEN-SAT DEC 3>4 FEB 2>3
UA DEN-YEG OCT 1.0>1.8 NOV 1.0>1.9 DEC 1.0>1.9 JAN 1.0>2 FEB 1.0>2
UA DEN-YYZ NOV 1.7>3 DEC 1.8>3 JAN 1.9>3 FEB 1.9>3
UA EWR-AUA NOV 1.7>1.9 DEC 1.6>1.8
*UA EWR-BDA SEP 1.0>0.2 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 0.2>0
UA EWR-BNA JAN 5>4
UA EWR-CLT OCT 4>5 NOV 5>6 DEC 5>6 JAN 5>6 FEB 5>6
UA EWR-CMH OCT 7>6 NOV 7>6 JAN 6>5 FEB 6>5
UA EWR-CUN DEC 5>4
UA EWR-CVG OCT 3>6 NOV 3>6 DEC 3>5 JAN 3>6 FEB 3>5
UA EWR-DEN JAN 8>7
UA EWR-DTW NOV 5>6 DEC 4>6 JAN 4>6 FEB 4>6
UA EWR-GUA NOV 0.4>0.2
UA EWR-MBJ NOV 0.5>1.0
UA EWR-MCI NOV 3>4
UA EWR-MCO OCT 9>8
Big increase?
*UA EWR-MEM OCT 1.5>3 NOV 1.1>3 DEC 1.1>3 JAN 1.0>3 FEB 1.0>3
UA EWR-MSP OCT 5>6 NOV 4>6 DEC 5>6
UA EWR-PIT OCT 6>7 NOV 6>7
UA EWR-PLS NOV 0.3>0.5
UA EWR-PTY NOV 1.2>1.0
UA EWR-PUJ NOV 1.7>1.6
UA EWR-RDU OCT 5>6
UA EWR-SJD DEC 0.8>0.9
UA EWR-SJO NOV 1.6>1.1
UA EWR-SJU NOV 1.8>1.4 DEC 4>3
It's back, but now only 5/week
*UA EWR-XNA NOV 0>0.7 DEC 0>0.7 JAN 0>0.7 FEB 0>0.7
UA IAD-PWM OCT 4>3
UA IAD-SJU NOV 0.6>0.3
UA IAH-ABQ SEP 4>3
UA IAH-ACA DEC 0.7>0.6
UA IAH-BZE NOV 1.8>1.5
UA IAH-CHS SEP 1.9>1.1
UA IAH-CRP JAN 7>6
UA IAH-CUN NOV 7>6
UA IAH-CZM DEC 1.0>0.8
UA IAH-ELP JAN 6>5
UA IAH-IAD NOV 5>4
UA IAH-JAN JAN 6>5
UA IAH-LCH JAN 4>3
UA IAH-LIT NOV 6>5 DEC 6>5 JAN 6>5
UA IAH-MBJ DEC 0.9>0.7
UA IAH-MGA NOV 1.6>1.1 DEC 3>1.8
UA IAH-MID NOV 1.0>0.5 DEC 1.0>0.8
UA IAH-PVR SEP 0.4>1.1 OCT 0.9>1.2 NOV 1.2>2.0 DEC 1.8>3
UA IAH-QRO DEC 3>4
UA IAH-RTB DEC 0.8>0.6
UA IAH-SAP NOV 1.1>1.0
UA IAH-SHV JAN 5>4
UA IAH-SJD NOV 3>2.0 JAN 1.4>3 FEB 1.6>2
UA IAH-SJO NOV 4>3 DEC 5>4
UA IAH-SJU NOV 1.7>1.5
UA IAH-TUL JAN 8>7
UA LAX-ABQ OCT 1.8>1.2
UA LAX-CUN NOV 1.7>3
UA LAX-PSP OCT 1.8>1.0
UA LAX-SBA SEP 5>4
UA LAX-SJD NOV 1.0>0.8 DEC 0.7>1.0
UA ORD-AUS JAN 4>3
UA ORD-BHM OCT 4>3
UA ORD-BUF NOV 4>5 DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 FEB 4>5
UA ORD-CLT DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 FEB 4>5
UA ORD-DFW OCT 7>8
UA ORD-DLH OCT 3>4
UA ORD-DSM NOV 5>6 DEC 5>6 JAN 5>6 FEB 5>6
UA ORD-EWR OCT 12>13 NOV 10>11 DEC 10>11 JAN 10>12 FEB 10>11
UA ORD-GCM NOV 0>0.1
UA ORD-JAN SEP 1.8>1.0 JAN 1.9>1.1
UA ORD-MEM JAN 4>3
UA ORD-PLS NOV 0>0.1
UA ORD-PVD JAN 1.1>2 FEB 1.0>2
UA ORD-SJU NOV 1.1>1.0
UA ORD-TYS JAN 4>3
UA ORD-XNA JAN 4>3
UA SFO-CUN NOV 1.5>1.7 DEC 1.8>2.0
UA SFO-LAX SEP 14>15
UA SFO-ONT SEP 8>7
UA SFO-PVR NOV 1.3>1.5
UA SFO-SJD NOV 1.3>1.5 DEC 1.2>1.4
UA SFO-SMF SEP 6>5
*UA SFO-TLV OCT 0.4>0.8 NOV 0.4>1.0 DEC 0.4>1.0 JAN 0.4>1.0 FEB 0.4>1.0

VR PVD-RAI AUG 0.5>0.3

VX SFO-CUN SEP 0.3>0.1 OCT 0.3>0.2

WN MDW-GEG AUG 0.3>1.0
WN MDW-MCO AUG 8>9
WN MDW-TPA AUG 4>5
 
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RE: OAG Changes 6/10/2016:AA-DFWPTY,-LAXGDL,DL-ATLMDE

Mon Jun 06, 2016 11:14 am

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
Big increase?
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
It's back, but now only 5/week

No, these are just corrections of an erroneous upload to OAG last week.

In last week's thread:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA EWR-CLE OCT 7>6
UA EWR-CLT OCT 6>4 NOV 6>5 DEC 6>5 JAN 6>5 FEB 6>5
UA EWR-CVG OCT 6>3 NOV 6>3 DEC 5>3 JAN 6>3 FEB 5>3
UA EWR-DTW NOV 6>5 DEC 6>4 JAN 6>4 FEB 6>4
UA EWR-MCI NOV 4>3
UA EWR-MEM OCT 3>1.5 NOV 3>1.1 DEC 3>1.1 JAN 3>1.0 FEB 3>1.0
UA EWR-MSP OCT 6>5 NOV 6>4 DEC 6>5
UA EWR-PIT OCT 7>6 NOV 7>6
UA EWR-RDU OCT 6>5
*UA EWR-XNA OCT 0.7>0.1 NOV 0.7>0 DEC 0.7>0 JAN 0.7>0 FEB 0.7>0

In this week's, the changes are reversed:

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
UA EWR-AUA NOV 1.7>1.9 DEC 1.6>1.8
UA EWR-CLT OCT 4>5 NOV 5>6 DEC 5>6 JAN 5>6 FEB 5>6
UA EWR-CVG OCT 3>6 NOV 3>6 DEC 3>5 JAN 3>6 FEB 3>5
UA EWR-DTW NOV 5>6 DEC 4>6 JAN 4>6 FEB 4>6
UA EWR-MCI NOV 3>4
*UA EWR-MEM OCT 1.5>3 NOV 1.1>3 DEC 1.1>3 JAN 1.0>3 FEB 1.0>3
UA EWR-MSP OCT 5>6 NOV 4>6 DEC 5>6
UA EWR-PIT OCT 6>7 NOV 6>7
UA EWR-RDU OCT 5>6
*UA EWR-XNA NOV 0>0.7 DEC 0>0.7 JAN 0>0.7 FEB 0>0.7
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Mon Jun 06, 2016 11:24 am

Quoting compensateme (Reply 2):
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
Big increase?
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
It's back, but now only 5/week

No, these are just corrections of an erroneous upload to OAG last week.

OK, it is the same. I wonder what was misfiled?
 
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Mon Jun 06, 2016 11:47 am

It's amazing that AA is getting rid of both CLT and DCA to EYW flights. Those flights have always been high in demand. I guess the idea is to funnel people through MIA hub.
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Mon Jun 06, 2016 11:55 am

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA PHL-EWR SEP 7>5

I guess they don't need to be squatting on EWR slots with PHL-EWR flights.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA PHL-BOS SEP 12>10

1x 319
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Mon Jun 06, 2016 12:38 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL ATL-MDE SEP 0.9>0.4 OCT 0.9>0.4 NOV 1.0>0.1 DEC 0.9>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0

Scheduling stuff that will be adjusted later, terrible performance, or a harbinger of a DL/AV deal?
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Mon Jun 06, 2016 1:27 pm

Quoting bahadir (Reply 4):
It's amazing that AA is getting rid of both CLT and DCA to EYW flights. Those flights have always been high in demand. I guess the idea is to funnel people through MIA hub.

There's also major performance inhibitors @ EYW due to the short single RWY. I don't know specifically for AA, but I know it's been a challenge for other carriers.
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Mon Jun 06, 2016 1:43 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AA DFW-PTY OCT 0.2>0 NOV 0.3>0 DEC 0.7>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA DFW-SAL SEP 0.3>0.1 OCT 0.3>0 NOV 0.8>0 DEC 0.9>0.5 JAN 1.0>0.3 FEB 1.0>0

How many times has AA tried SAL/PTY from its largest hub? Strange that it never works...

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AA LAX-GDL SEP 1.0>0.2 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0

This didn't have a prayer. LAXMEX isn't far behind. Fares are terrible.
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Mon Jun 06, 2016 1:52 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL HDN-MSP JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0

DL flies this route every winter. Usually on an E75.
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Mon Jun 06, 2016 2:00 pm

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 5):

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA PHL-EWR SEP 7>5

I guess they don't need to be squatting on EWR slots with PHL-EWR flights.

At least not in SEP!

Quoting rockyracoon (Reply 6):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL ATL-MDE SEP 0.9>0.4 OCT 0.9>0.4 NOV 1.0>0.1 DEC 0.9>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0

Scheduling stuff that will be adjusted later, terrible performance, or a harbinger of a DL/AV deal?

Looks simply gone to me. I don't think it will be adjusted later.

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 7):
There's also major performance inhibitors @ EYW due to the short single RWY. I don't know specifically for AA, but I know it's been a challenge for other carriers.
Quoting bahadir (Reply 4):
It's amazing that AA is getting rid of both CLT and DCA to EYW flights. Those flights have always been high in demand. I guess the idea is to funnel people through MIA hub.

It's just SEP for now, I expect it will be back as planned.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 8):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AA LAX-GDL SEP 1.0>0.2 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0

This didn't have a prayer. LAXMEX isn't far behind. Fares are terrible.

So, here's the thing. AA is trying to build a hub in LAX to lock in high yield business travelers who live in L.A. LAX-GDL will do nothing to achieve that. LAX-MEX is somewhat different as there is a high yield market to MEX. GDL is more VFR and seasonal workers.
 
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Mon Jun 06, 2016 2:05 pm

Quoting rockyracoon (Reply 6):
Scheduling stuff that will be adjusted later, terrible performance, or a harbinger of a DL/AV deal?

It appears to be gone for good.
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Mon Jun 06, 2016 2:13 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
It's back, but now only 5/week
*UA EWR-XNA NOV 0>0.7 DEC 0>0.7 JAN 0>0.7 FEB 0>0.7

I test searched Jan 2017, and it looks like the 5x weekly is just Monday to Friday.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL ATL-LOS AUG 1.0>0.7 SEP 0.7>0.5 OCT 0.6>0.5 NOV 0.7>0.5 FEB 0.7>0.6

I don't know if this is just seasonal reduction, or DL is also feeling the heat of no being able to get cash out of the nation ....

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AA LAX-GDL SEP 1.0>0.2 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0

Is this seasonal suspension or just transferring the route authority to someone else ?
 
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Mon Jun 06, 2016 2:14 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 10):
So, here's the thing. AA is trying to build a hub in LAX to lock in high yield business travelers who live in L.A. LAX-GDL will do nothing to achieve that. LAX-MEX is somewhat different as there is a high yield market to MEX. GDL is more VFR and seasonal workers.

Yep I'm sure that's the story they're telling themselves right now as they eye another month of losses
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Mon Jun 06, 2016 2:46 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 8):
This didn't have a prayer. LAXMEX isn't far behind. Fares are terrible.

Agreed, best to stick to PHX and DFW where competition is much lower.
 
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Mon Jun 06, 2016 3:04 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 12):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL ATL-LOS AUG 1.0>0.7 SEP 0.7>0.5 OCT 0.6>0.5 NOV 0.7>0.5 FEB 0.7>0.6

I don't know if this is just seasonal reduction, or DL is also feeling the heat of no being able to get cash out of the nation ....

Oil impact probably.

Quoting a380787 (Reply 12):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AA LAX-GDL SEP 1.0>0.2 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0

Is this seasonal suspension or just transferring the route authority to someone else ?

I'm pretty sure it is gone for good.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 13):
Quoting enilria (Reply 10):
So, here's the thing. AA is trying to build a hub in LAX to lock in high yield business travelers who live in L.A. LAX-GDL will do nothing to achieve that. LAX-MEX is somewhat different as there is a high yield market to MEX. GDL is more VFR and seasonal workers.

Yep I'm sure that's the story they're telling themselves right now as they eye another month of losses

Well, it's true, but they should have told themselves that before they started it. CUN may be low yield, but at least is also caters to their high end customers.

Quoting cageyjames (Reply 14):

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 8):
This didn't have a prayer. LAXMEX isn't far behind. Fares are terrible.

Agreed, best to stick to PHX and DFW where competition is much lower.

Of course that won't advance the football in LAX much...
 
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Mon Jun 06, 2016 3:07 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA DFW-PTY OCT 0.2>0 NOV 0.3>0 DEC 0.7>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA DFW-SAL SEP 0.3>0.1 OCT 0.3>0 NOV 0.8>0 DEC 0.9>0.5 JAN 1.0>0.3 FEB 1.0>0
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AA LAX-GDL SEP 1.0>0.2 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0

Does AA fly MIA-SAL/PTY?

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
UA LAX-CUN NOV 1.7>3
UA LAX-SJD NOV 1.0>0.8 DEC 0.7>1.0

Response to WN's application to begin service in November?
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Mon Jun 06, 2016 3:22 pm

LAX-GDL might be hard one for AA to compete in against strong Mexican competitors like Volaris, but it is after all the second largest US-Mexico city pair in demand.

So if AA wants to be the Los Angeles airline, this is really a top city pair it needs to maintain a presence in, whether losing money or not. I'd ditch a whole bunch of other secondary LAX routes before I would drop one of the busiest US international city pairs.

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 16):
Does AA fly MIA-SAL/PTY?

Of course.
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Mon Jun 06, 2016 3:34 pm

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DL ATL-LOS AUG 1.0>0.7 SEP 0.7>0.5 OCT 0.6>0.5 NOV 0.7>0.5 FEB 0.7>0.6
*DL ATL-MDE SEP 0.9>0.4 OCT 0.9>0.4 NOV 1.0>0.1 DEC 0.9>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0
Say it ain't so. UA threw in the towel even with the benefits of the oil industry and strong ethnic traffic in IAH. DL is isn't exempt from Nigeria's troubles. As if we didn't already know this.
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WN MDW-GEG AUG 0.3>1.0

I wish this was year round. If only there was enough demand.
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Mon Jun 06, 2016 4:33 pm

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 16):
Does AA fly MIA-SAL/PTY?

Yes - of course.

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Mon Jun 06, 2016 4:37 pm

Quoting klwright69 (Reply 18):
How much traffic is there between ATL and Colombia outside of BOG?

Probably not much. I think DL was thinking they could capitalize on the fact that Colombia is heating up as a travel destination, with connecting traffic from all over the country. I wonder if zika is putting people off?
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Mon Jun 06, 2016 4:38 pm

Quoting cageyjames (Reply 14):

DFW has AM, AA, and Interjet on this one. Pretty congested there too.
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Mon Jun 06, 2016 4:42 pm

Quoting FSDan (Reply 21):
Probably not much. I think DL was thinking they could capitalize on the fact that Colombia is heating up as a travel destination, with connecting traffic from all over the country. I wonder if zika is putting people off?

MDE is more of a point of sale Colombia market and with the weakening currency situation it is probably hurting demand.
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Mon Jun 06, 2016 5:29 pm

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 16):
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
UA LAX-CUN NOV 1.7>3
UA LAX-SJD NOV 1.0>0.8 DEC 0.7>1.0

Response to WN's application to begin service in November?

Good point

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 17):

LAX-GDL might be hard one for AA to compete in against strong Mexican competitors like Volaris, but it is after all the second largest US-Mexico city pair in demand.

So if AA wants to be the Los Angeles airline, this is really a top city pair it needs to maintain a presence in, whether losing money or not. I'd ditch a whole bunch of other secondary LAX routes before I would drop one of the busiest US international city pairs.

But isn't it fair to say that the traffic on that flat overlap very little with their other LAX routes? Thus, the network loyalty benefit to losing money doesn't really exist.

Quoting klwright69 (Reply 18):
How much traffic is there between ATL and Colombia outside of BOG?

Even with BOG!

Quoting FSDan (Reply 21):
Probably not much.

Exactly

Quoting FSDan (Reply 21):
I think DL was thinking they could capitalize on the fact that Colombia is heating up as a travel destination, with connecting traffic from all over the country

Is it really that safe? I agree it is picturesque.

Quoting FSDan (Reply 21):
I wonder if zika is putting people off?

It really shouldn't be, but people are easily scared.
 
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Mon Jun 06, 2016 5:59 pm

EYW-DCA/CLT are most likely seasonal suspensions. I'm not sure about DCA, but CLT-EYW was always supposed to be seasonal and usually did not operate during the fall. It should come back around late December.
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Mon Jun 06, 2016 6:23 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
1RT seems like a bad harbinger
*DL MSP-RHI SEP 2>1.0 OCT 2>1.0 NOV 2>1.0 DEC 2>1.0

Rhinelander is a SkyWest EAS market (2x, one of which originates in IMT). Likely another oddity we see from week to week on the SkyWest DL* flying.
 
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Mon Jun 06, 2016 6:29 pm

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 26):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
1RT seems like a bad harbinger
*DL MSP-RHI SEP 2>1.0 OCT 2>1.0 NOV 2>1.0 DEC 2>1.0

Rhinelander is a SkyWest EAS market (2x, one of which originates in IMT). Likely another oddity we see from week to week on the SkyWest DL* flying.

Perhaps, but it is interesting the 2nd trip returns in JAN.
 
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Mon Jun 06, 2016 9:48 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 15):
Of course that won't advance the football in LAX much...

I agree, but at the same time there are bigger fish to fry out of LAX

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 22):
DFW has AM, AA, and Interjet on this one. Pretty congested there too.

To MEX but GDL is only AA and Y4 right? MEX is going to have competitors on almost all routes but GDL is some place that AA can make tons of money in PHX and DFW.
 
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Mon Jun 06, 2016 9:53 pm

Does AA's withdrawal of service on DFW-PTY open an opportunity for CM, or are they content to continue routing traffic through IAH?
 
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Mon Jun 06, 2016 10:35 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA PHL-BWI SEP 8>7

Remarkable to see even 7 daily on this route. TATL and smaller Northeast cities can't be that valuable can they?
 
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Mon Jun 06, 2016 11:11 pm

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 29):
Does AA's withdrawal of service on DFW-PTY open an opportunity for CM, or are they content to continue routing traffic through IAH?

I wouldn't rule out an E190 assuming it has the range, but I don't really look for CM to be at DFW anytime soon.
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Mon Jun 06, 2016 11:28 pm

Quoting bahadir (Reply 4):

It's amazing that AA is getting rid of both CLT and DCA to EYW flights. Those flights have always been high in demand. I guess the idea is to funnel people through MIA hub.
Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 7):
There's also major performance inhibitors @ EYW due to the short single RWY. I don't know specifically for AA, but I know it's been a challenge for other carriers.

DCA is reduced by at least 10 seats for booking on a 170.

Quoting enilria (Reply 10):
It's just SEP for now, I expect it will be back as planned.

I would think so as well, but Republic's inability to staff flights may be forcing additional cuts.

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 25):

EYW-DCA/CLT are most likely seasonal suspensions. I'm not sure about DCA, but CLT-EYW was always supposed to be seasonal and usually did not operate during the fall. It should come back around late December.

It wasn't long ago that DCA only operated from October-February or so.
 
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Tue Jun 07, 2016 12:03 am

Quoting enilria (Reply 24):
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 17):

LAX-GDL might be hard one for AA to compete in against strong Mexican competitors like Volaris, but it is after all the second largest US-Mexico city pair in demand.

So if AA wants to be the Los Angeles airline, this is really a top city pair it needs to maintain a presence in, whether losing money or not. I'd ditch a whole bunch of other secondary LAX routes before I would drop one of the busiest US international city pairs.

But isn't it fair to say that the traffic on that flat overlap very little with their other LAX routes? Thus, the network loyalty benefit to losing money doesn't really exist.

We don't have the data for the GDL-bound travelers AA is targeting from LAX. VFR traffic? Maybe not much AA network loyalty. GDL manufacturing? That has lots of relevance to SoCal firms.
 
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Tue Jun 07, 2016 2:52 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 8):
This didn't have a prayer. LAXMEX isn't far behind. Fares are terrible.

Alaska must feel good about their decision then.

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Tue Jun 07, 2016 3:11 am

Quoting bahadir (Reply 4):
It's amazing that AA is getting rid of both CLT and DCA to EYW flights. Those flights have always been high in demand. I guess the idea is to funnel people through MIA hub.

I was going to say I think these could be seasonal reductions, I dont think they are year round routes IIRC
 
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Tue Jun 07, 2016 3:31 am

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 29):
Does AA's withdrawal of service on DFW-PTY open an opportunity for CM,
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 31):
I wouldn't rule out an E190 assuming it has the range,

I think it would be a good opportunity with as thin as AA is now South of Mexico.

Quoting silentbob (Reply 32):
I would think so as well, but Republic's inability to staff flights may be forcing additional cuts.

How severe is the situation? Hasn't parking the 50 seaters solved the problem?

Quoting MIflyer12 (Reply 33):
We don't have the data for the GDL-bound travelers AA is targeting from LAX. VFR traffic? Maybe not much AA network loyalty. GDL manufacturing? That has lots of relevance to SoCal firms.

It doesn't matter who they target, it's gonna be VFR and seasonal workers mostly. What companies that are LAX based do manufacturing in GDL?
 
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Tue Jun 07, 2016 4:42 am

Quoting enilria (Reply 36):
Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 29):
Does AA's withdrawal of service on DFW-PTY open an opportunity for CM,
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 31):
I wouldn't rule out an E190 assuming it has the range,

I think it would be a good opportunity with as thin as AA is now South of Mexico.

Huh? Thin from where? Certainly not overall, and it's never had as big a network from DVW as today.
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RE: OAG Changes 6/10/2016:AA-DFWPTY,-LAXGDL,DL-ATLMDE

Tue Jun 07, 2016 10:50 am

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 7):
There's also major performance inhibitors @ EYW due to the short single RWY. I don't know specifically for AA, but I know it's been a challenge for other carriers.

Unless you need to carry extra fuel, EYW is never an issue on the 175s.
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RE: OAG Changes 6/10/2016:AA-DFWPTY,-LAXGDL,DL-ATLMDE

Tue Jun 07, 2016 11:15 am

I still fail to understand how GUA and SJO are the only ones who can sustain daily 737-800 service to DFW and even twice daily during certain days on high season. How is it that SAL and PTY can't even sustain weekly service?
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RE: OAG Changes 6/10/2016:AA-DFWPTY,-LAXGDL,DL-ATLMDE

Tue Jun 07, 2016 1:20 pm

Quoting avi8 (Reply 39):
I still fail to understand how GUA and SJO are the only ones who can sustain daily 737-800 service to DFW and even twice daily during certain days on high season. How is it that SAL and PTY can't even sustain weekly service?

The GUA metro is over twice the size of the others so the traffic could be driven by pure population alone.

The others are all comparable in size and regional economic importance but SJO and Costa Rica are a large and growing leisure market from the U.S. if I remember correctly.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 6/10/2016:AA-DFWPTY,-LAXGDL,DL-ATLMDE

Tue Jun 07, 2016 2:14 pm

I understand why DFW PTY was cut. No local market. PTY to Texas is overwhelmingly to IAH because of the marine traffic.

I don't understand DFW SAL as much. That's actually a pretty large local market. I guess the decided they'd rather AV have it.
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RE: OAG Changes 6/10/2016:AA-DFWPTY,-LAXGDL,DL-ATLMDE

Tue Jun 07, 2016 3:42 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 41):
I understand why DFW PTY was cut. No local market. PTY to Texas is overwhelmingly to IAH because of the marine traffic.

I don't understand DFW SAL as much. That's actually a pretty large local market. I guess the decided they'd rather AV have it.

My guess is as AA retires more MD80s we're going to be seeing more routes like these (PTY 1900+ miles and SAL 1400+ miles international turns) go from DFW. Equipment decisions are going to have to be made and equipment used on less than weekly or lower yielding flights such as these can be used to replace multiple MD80 flights out of DFW.

Wouldn't be surprised if the LAX-GDL flight is going for the same reason.

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RE: OAG Changes 6/10/2016:AA-DFWPTY,-LAXGDL,DL-ATLMDE

Tue Jun 07, 2016 4:31 pm

Is UA dropping EWR-BDA? Or is it seasonal? I thought UA had dropped this route before in one of these OAG threads. But when I brought this up, I was viciously flamed by posters claiming that BDA was a stellar performer for UA. Or is this an error?

I see DL is dropping ATL-MDE. I always wondered about the market for other Colombian cities except BOG outside of Florida and NYC. Long long ago CO attempted IAH-Cali, and it was a dud.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 6/10/2016:AA-DFWPTY,-LAXGDL,DL-ATLMDE

Tue Jun 07, 2016 4:38 pm

Quoting klwright69 (Reply 43):
Is UA dropping EWR-BDA? Or is it seasonal? I thought UA had dropped this route before in one of these OAG threads. But when I brought this up, I was viciously flamed by posters claiming that BDA was a stellar performer for UA. Or is this an error?

Right now it looks like it's becoming summer seasonal only, resuming on 5/5/17
 
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RE: OAG Changes 6/10/2016:AA-DFWPTY,-LAXGDL,DL-ATLMDE

Wed Jun 08, 2016 2:49 am

Quoting silentbob (Reply 32):
I would think so as well, but Republic's inability to staff flights may be forcing additional cuts.

Incorrect, DCA and CLT-EYW have been and will be seasonal markets, MIA is year round. Nothing to do with staffing.
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RE: OAG Changes 6/10/2016:AA-DFWPTY,-LAXGDL,DL-ATLMDE

Wed Jun 08, 2016 12:49 pm

Quoting miaskies (Reply 45):
Incorrect, DCA and CLT-EYW have been and will be seasonal markets, MIA is year round. Nothing to do with staffing.

   Exactly. In recent years, the US station at EYW was completely seasonal after the end of the intra-florida EYW routes.
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RE: OAG Changes 6/10/2016:AA-DFWPTY,-LAXGDL,DL-ATLMDE

Wed Jun 08, 2016 7:09 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 44):
Quoting klwright69 (Reply 43):Is UA dropping EWR-BDA? Or is it seasonal? I thought UA had dropped this route before in one of these OAG threads. But when I brought this up, I was viciously flamed by posters claiming that BDA was a stellar performer for UA. Or is this an error?
Right now it looks like it's becoming summer seasonal only, resuming on 5/5/17

Pretty sure BDA is generally terrible in the winter. Remember it's almost due east of North Carolina so it gets cold there-not exactly a place snowbirds would go.
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RE: OAG Changes 6/10/2016:AA-DFWPTY,-LAXGDL,DL-ATLMDE

Wed Jun 08, 2016 7:33 pm

Quoting klwright69 (Reply 43):

Is UA dropping EWR-BDA? Or is it seasonal?
Quoting a380787 (Reply 44):
Right now it looks like it's becoming summer seasonal only, resuming on 5/5/17
Quoting altairF28 (Reply 47):
Pretty sure BDA is generally terrible in the winter. Remember it's almost due east of North Carolina so it gets cold there-not exactly a place snowbirds would go.

EWR-BDA was reduced to less than daily for Jan/Feb in 2014, then suspended from Dec 2014-Mar 2015, then it was less than daily again for Winter 2015 to Spring 2016, and now looks to be suspended Nov-March.

Obviously UA is trying (albeit maybe struggling?) to find the right balance in the market during the Winter months.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 6/10/2016:AA-DFWPTY,-LAXGDL,DL-ATLMDE

Wed Jun 08, 2016 10:22 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 8):
How many times has AA tried SAL/PTY from its largest hub? Strange that it never works...

AA DFW-PTY, about 3 times before.

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 29):
Does AA's withdrawal of service on DFW-PTY open an opportunity for CM, or are they content to continue routing traffic through IAH?

CM to DFW? IMHO, most likely to see CM @ HOU before, however, CM could be studying DFW.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 41):
I understand why DFW PTY was cut. No local market. PTY to Texas is overwhelmingly to IAH because of the marine traffic.

AA DFW-PTY could somewhat work if flights were early morning PTY-DFW and late evening DFW-PTY arrival, but there's no demand for daily, twice-thrice weekly could be enough. And an AA-CM code share could some good for DFW-PTY.
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