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RE: MC-21 To Roll Out On June 8

Wed Jun 08, 2016 10:40 pm

Nice looks on that aircraft, hope it'll be around with some airlines in Europe as well. Would make ist easier to catch it  

Does anyone know why the name was changed to MC-21? Historically it was named "Магистральный Самолёт 21 века" - "Magistralny Samolyot 21 veka" - according to wikipedia, so MS-21 would make more sense to me. Did Irkut just react to the many Westerners confusing the Russian S with a Western C?
 
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RE: MC-21 To Roll Out On June 8

Wed Jun 08, 2016 10:56 pm

Quoting Matt6461 (Reply 10):
Does anyone know the status of the -400 stretch?

The news is that Irkut has shelved the -400 and is concentrating on -300 & -200 variants
 
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RE: MC-21 To Roll Out On June 8

Wed Jun 08, 2016 11:46 pm

Quoting OlafW (Reply 50):
Does anyone know why the name was changed to MC-21?

Probably just simplifying things by using the same characters in both the Latin and Cyrillic alphabets. It was always "MC-21" in Russian.
 
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RE: MC-21 To Roll Out On June 8

Thu Jun 09, 2016 12:38 am

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 27):
The nose reminds me of the Vickers Vanguard

Yes, but with Fairchild Dornier 728 cockpit windows.


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RE: MC-21 To Roll Out On June 8

Thu Jun 09, 2016 6:56 am

Quoting A350 (Reply 41):
Then why not configure it twin-aisle 2-2-2 instead of one very wide aisle and 3-3?

Lol. We need to hope that nobody gets a brilliant idea to make it 2-3-2 and 15 inch seats.
 
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RE: MC-21 To Roll Out On June 8

Thu Jun 09, 2016 8:24 am

Quoting pylon101 (Reply 39):
All that was possible due to TSAGI world-leading know-how.
And TSAGI (for some reason) never bothers with winglets.
This is their belief that a good aerodynamics doesn't need winglets.

On my memory the world first airliner with winglets was Tu-204. Correct me if I'm wrong.

And why winglets is the antithesis to aerodynamics if it a part of it?
 
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RE: MC-21 To Roll Out On June 8

Thu Jun 09, 2016 8:27 am

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 27):
The nose reminds me of the Vickers Vanguard

Looks more like Yak-42 to me.
 
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RE: MC-21 To Roll Out On June 8

Thu Jun 09, 2016 9:52 am

Quoting N328KF (Reply 35):
t will more effectively compete with the C919 worldwide than the A320/B727 directly. However, in the CIS, it will sell well for domestic traffic.

The Chinese have a LOT to prove before the C919 becomes a viable competitor to anything, after the ARJ21 fiasco

Quoting OlafW (Reply 50):
Does anyone know why the name was changed to MC-21? Historically it was named "Магистральный Самолёт 21 века" - "Magistralny Samolyot 21 veka" - according to wikipedia, so MS-21 would make more sense to me. Did Irkut just react to the many Westerners confusing the Russian S with a Western C?

For that matter, why brand it under the unknown Irkut name rather than one of the established Russian names like Yakolev or Tupolev, especially as the overall body that controls their aerospace industry is UAC (United Aircraft Corporation)?
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RE: MC-21 To Roll Out On June 8

Thu Jun 09, 2016 10:18 am

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 57):
For that matter, why brand it under the unknown Irkut name rather than one of the established Russian names like Yakolev or Tupolev, especially as the overall body that controls their aerospace industry is UAC (United Aircraft Corporation)?

Thats the very true point mate. I think the same. Coud be good have it as say Yak-242-300 instead of MS (or MC).
 
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RE: MC-21 To Roll Out On June 8

Thu Jun 09, 2016 10:20 am

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 57):
For that matter, why brand it under the unknown Irkut name rather than one of the established Russian names like Yakolev or Tupolev, especially as the overall body that controls their aerospace industry is UAC (United Aircraft Corporation)?

Talk is, once certified, it'll be renamed Yak-242
 
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RE: MC-21 To Roll Out On June 8

Thu Jun 09, 2016 11:36 am

Quoting anrec80 (Reply 54):

Quoting A350 (Reply 41):
Then why not configure it twin-aisle 2-2-2 instead of one very wide aisle and 3-3?

Lol. We need to hope that nobody gets a brilliant idea to make it 2-3-2 and 15 inch seats.

The C919 is 4" wider so it could be possible to do 2-2-2? Could work for it's domestic and regional routes. Not so for European/American butts though but then again, that plane's not going to really sell in those markets....except maybe Ryanair?   

Quoting Amiga500 (Reply 59):

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 57):
For that matter, why brand it under the unknown Irkut name rather than one of the established Russian names like Yakolev or Tupolev, especially as the overall body that controls their aerospace industry is UAC (United Aircraft Corporation)?

Talk is, once certified, it'll be renamed Yak-242

That's so.
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RE: MC-21 To Roll Out On June 8

Thu Jun 09, 2016 12:00 pm

Quoting neutrino (Reply 60):
The C919 is 4" wider so it could be possible to do 2-2-2?

I thought the C919 was the same dia as A320?
 
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RE: MC-21 To Roll Out On June 8

Thu Jun 09, 2016 12:03 pm

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 57):
For that matter, why brand it under the unknown Irkut name rather than one of the established Russian names like Yakolev or Tupolev, especially as the overall body that controls their aerospace industry is UAC (United Aircraft Corporation)?

If the goal is to sell outside Russia, then using old names that sound like "Russian rustbucket that will kill me" might not be a good idea.
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RE: MC-21 To Roll Out On June 8

Thu Jun 09, 2016 12:15 pm

Quoting neutrino (Reply 60):
The C919 is 4" wider so it could be possible to do 2-2-2? Could work for it's domestic and regional routes. Not so for European/American butts though but then again, that plane's not going to really sell in those markets....except maybe Ryanair?

We all know that airlines love aisles. They don't have to be cleaned as often as seats, don't need any booking systems, and so I can see 2-2-2 or even 1-1-1-1-1-1 on the LCC airlines.

But on a more serious side: Congrats to Russia for bringing up another type! It will make air travel a little less boring!  


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RE: MC-21 To Roll Out On June 8

Thu Jun 09, 2016 12:27 pm

Quoting FYODOR (Reply 55):
And why winglets is the antithesis to aerodynamics if it a part of it?

I understood that there's a fairly prevalent school of thought along the lines that winglets are crutches for where you can't make major changes to the wing, or for where you're designing a new wing but are limited to a certain maximum span.

Boeing in particular take this view - they use winglets as upgrades to existing wing designs, like the 744 (which did also gain a bit of extra span), the 737NG, and the 757 and 763 aftermarket mods.

On newer designs, they've gone either for clean wings (on the 772A), or raked wingtips on the 772LR and 773ER, 764ER, 748, 787-series, and the 777F and X. Even the P-8, which is derived from the 738ER, has raked tips instead of NG-style blended winglets.

Obviously other designers might take a different view of the matter full stop or in specific cases (ie I understand the A380 uses wingtip fences because the wingspan is already at the widest it can be without wreaking even more havoc at airports).
 
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RE: MC-21 To Roll Out On June 8

Thu Jun 09, 2016 12:57 pm

Quoting deutronium (Reply 53):
Yes, but with Fairchild Dornier 728 cockpit windows.

Or with VFW 614 cockpit windows


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RE: MC-21 To Roll Out On June 8

Thu Jun 09, 2016 1:13 pm

Quoting FYODOR (Reply 55):
On my memory the world first airliner with winglets was Tu-204. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I think the first airliner with a wingtip device was the A300-600 which had the wingtip fences, the 747-400 was the first airliner with winglets.
 
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RE: MC-21 To Roll Out On June 8

Thu Jun 09, 2016 1:26 pm

Quoting Aesma (Reply 62):
If the goal is to sell outside Russia, then using old names that sound like "Russian rustbucket that will kill me" might not be a good idea.

But then Irkut is still an old Russian name

They used Sukhoi name for the Superjet, so why not keep the same name and have a range of planes?

Quoting Amiga500 (Reply 59):
Talk is, once certified, it'll be renamed Yak-242

I've seen that, but it seems strange to roll out a plane, certify it and only then rename it.
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RE: MC-21 To Roll Out On June 8

Thu Jun 09, 2016 2:11 pm

Does anyone else find it weird that the cockpit seems to have full power yet the interior looks to be completely sans wiring?

I also agree with some posters that the marketing name is a little bizarre. Why Irkut? I've never heard that before. I could understand Yakolev (but re-branding post certification also seems dumb) or Tupolev due to history, but I'd probably would have gone with Sukhoi due to the moderate success of the SSJ and the fact that Sukhoi doesn't sound too Russian.

Does it have any commonality with the SSJ? If not I think it's a big oversight.

The windows look small. Not a huge deal but recent clean sheet designs have all had big windows.

Is the wing "skinnier" than the A320 or 737? It kind of looks to be. What does this mean aerodynamically? (I am not an engineer).

I hope this program is successful. Always good to have more planes in the sky and older Russian planes have been getting retired left and right.
 
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RE: MC-21 To Roll Out On June 8

Thu Jun 09, 2016 2:13 pm

Quoting PanAm788 (Reply 68):
Does anyone else find it weird that the cockpit seems to have full power yet the interior looks to be completely sans wiring?

I suppose not all systems have been installed yet, and could explain why first flight has been delayed to next year. Same story for the C919 roll out, it was just an empty shell.
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RE: MC-21 To Roll Out On June 8

Thu Jun 09, 2016 2:20 pm

Quoting PanAm788 (Reply 68):
Is the wing "skinnier" than the A320 or 737? It kind of looks to be. What does this mean aerodynamically? (I am not an engineer).

It usually means you can run at a higher Mach for a given sweep angle.

It'll also usually come with improvements in form drag.


Of course, against that its structurally more demanding (enabled by composite spars) and decreases wing internal volume (which has fuel tank implications)

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Does anyone else find it weird that the cockpit seems to have full power yet the interior looks to be completely sans wiring?

Flight test aircraft normally don't have interior panelling in the cabin area, i.e.

www.media.gettyimages.com/photos/the...aircraft-which-picture-id468298949

[Edited 2016-06-09 07:22:29]

[Edited 2016-06-09 07:22:57]
 
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RE: MC-21 To Roll Out On June 8

Thu Jun 09, 2016 3:39 pm

Why have the middle two cockpit windows so large when the instrument panel blocks half of them?
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RE: MC-21 To Roll Out On June 8

Thu Jun 09, 2016 9:50 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 69):
I suppose not all systems have been installed yet, and could explain why first flight has been delayed to next year. Same story for the C919 roll out, it was just an empty shell.

Most companies do this to some extent. I know of one airplane who's composite control surfaces were actually plywood at rollout. Which technically is composite too...  
 
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RE: MC-21 To Roll Out On June 8

Thu Jun 09, 2016 10:06 pm

Quoting N328KF (Reply 42):

I don't think TsAGI had anything to do with the design of the Il-96/Il-86 as their original designed looked more like the Il-62

Quoting PanAm788 (Reply 68):

Russian aerospace industry is a very convoluted network of manufacturers and designers.

While the plane might be named after an especific company(usully the design office that came up with it, namely Sukhoi, Yakolev, Tupolev, etc), it is not built by that company per se but usally a separate company(they might or might not have shares in one another but yeah).

For example, while the Sukhoi SSJ was designed by Sukhoi, it is actually built by KnAAPO or Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aircraft Production Association which is a separate company that also builds Su-35's, Su-30MK2 and PAK-FA.

Or a better example yet, the Su-30. Designed by Sukhoi but its built at three different plants: KnAAPO, as mentioned above; IAPO or Irkut, which makes the Su-30MKI/MKM and Su-30SM variants, and NAPO which makes the Su-34.

Irkut also builds Yak-130 advanced trainers and are the designers of MS-21 along with Yakolev. They will also build Il-214's.

So, while a plane might share the same designation, they might not be made in the same assembly plant. And planes from different designers might have been built at the same place.

Of course, at the end of the day, they all work under the United Aircraft Company umbrella.
 
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RE: MC-21 To Roll Out On June 8

Fri Jun 10, 2016 7:13 am

Quoting Acheron (Reply 73):
Russian aerospace industry is a very convoluted network of manufacturers and designers.

While the plane might be named after an especific company(usully the design office that came up with it, namely Sukhoi, Yakolev, Tupolev, etc), it is not built by that company per se but usally a separate company(they might or might not have shares in one another but yeah).

It all seems horribly inefficient, and will make ramping up production IF one of their planes is a major success, really hard
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RE: MC-21 To Roll Out On June 8

Fri Jun 10, 2016 4:45 pm

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 74):
It all seems horribly inefficient, and will make ramping up production IF one of their planes is a major success, really hard

It has the benefit that you can choose the factory you think can handle production better or has a freer assembly line or better job quality, etc.

It comes from the soviet lessons during world war 2, where if a factory got bombed, you just'd move the production to another far away factory.
 
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Fri Jun 10, 2016 5:00 pm

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RE: MC-21 To Roll Out On June 8

Sat Jun 11, 2016 9:21 am

One thing others are watching with lots of interest is the PW1431G.
 
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RE: MC-21 To Roll Out On June 8

Sat Jun 11, 2016 5:08 pm

Quoting sovietjet (Reply 37):
Logic not found

Not the best place to seek for enlightenment.....    .


Quoting L0VE2FLY (Reply 49):
Cool bird, let's see what John Leahy nicknames her!

No offense but...Ivan Psikh...  ...(or should the adjective come first?)


Quoting OlafW (Reply 50):
Does anyone know why the name was changed to MC-21? Historically it was named "Магистральный Самолёт 21 века" - "Magistralny Samolyot 21 veka" - according to wikipedia, so MS-21 would make more sense to me.

I can't seem to dissociate MC-21 from M.C. Hammer...while M.S. sounds a lot like some kind of syndrome!   

[Edited 2016-06-11 10:22:07]
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RE: MC-21 To Roll Out On June 8

Sat Jun 11, 2016 6:04 pm

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 78):
No offense but...Ivan Psikh...

How about Ivan он Uzhasnyy or Ivan Groznyy?
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RE: MC-21 To Roll Out On June 8

Sat Jun 11, 2016 6:27 pm

If anybdy interested - I've made a full story of the event: http://fyodor-photo.livejournal.com/48701.html

Text is in Russian but photos are the main subject.
 
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RE: MC-21 To Roll Out On June 8

Sat Jun 11, 2016 6:58 pm

Quoting sovietjet (Reply 37):
New aircraft type designed to compete with the 737/A320 rolls out, and not much interest on a.net . An airline announces a new route, or picks up a few more gates - threads blows up.

Also:

  Airline announces new seats -- threads blow up

  Airline changes paint on plane -- threads blow up

Quoting FYODOR (Reply 80):
If anybdy interested - I've made a full story of the event


Wonderful photos, FYODOR!
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RE: MC-21 To Roll Out On June 8

Sat Jun 11, 2016 7:37 pm

Quoting neutrino (Reply 79):
How about Ivan он Uzhasnyy or Ivan Groznyy?

On second thought, I like IGOR more...    ...

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But seriously, I think the SSJ-100 and MC-21 are well suited to domestic and regional aviation in the Philippines .....much more so than the MA-60 and BAe-146 that came before. They just have to sort out after-sales support to make an inroad.
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RE: MC-21 To Roll Out On June 8

Sat Jun 11, 2016 8:36 pm

Quoting seahawk (Reply 77):
One thing others are watching with lots of interest is the PW1431G

Since the . PW1400G-JM geared turbofan engine share the same, not just the engine architecture, but the fan´s and core´s geometry (fan diameter: 2.057,4 mm / 81,0 in; eng. architecture: F]G[3LPC-8HPC ^ 2HPT-3LPT) with the PW1100G-JM engine (among some differences in engines´ design, like the accessory drives, the engines differ in FADEC Hardware & Software PN and Data Storage Unit PN - Ratings Plug), I expect that, until the first flight, Irkut MS-21-300 first prototype will get a new pair of the engines and that with all the construction and software modifications already implemented in the PW1100G-JM engine aimed for the Airbus A320neo family of the aircraft.

Otherwise, . PW1431G-JM engine aimed for the propulsion of the Irkut MS-21-300 aircraft is rated at 140,44 kN / 14.321 kgf / 31.572 lbf of Takeoff (5 minutes) static thrust (max. continuous thrust is 138,20 kN / 14.092 kgf / 31.068 lbf).

Quoting FYODOR (Reply 80):
Text is in Russian but photos are the main subject.

Each of these photos tells more than a thousand words, and they are all just ... fantastic. You won´t mind, FYODOR, if I save them to my album?  


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RE: MC-21 To Roll Out On June 8

Sat Jun 11, 2016 9:24 pm

Quoting mfranjic (Reply 83):
You won´t mind, FYODOR, if I save them to my album?

All I post are OK for private usage if it is not public or commercial.  
 
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RE: MC-21 To Roll Out On June 8

Sat Jun 11, 2016 11:58 pm

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 57):
The Chinese have a LOT to prove before the C919 becomes a viable competitor to anything, after the ARJ21 fiasco

So far the C919 is over two years behind schedule and certain issues are not being addressed.

The ARJ-21 still has unresolved issues with secondary controls. I cannot believe it was certified, much less entering service... The Russians have a different 'style of certification,' but it is a well respected and adhered to certification standard. I believe the West should adopt their Anti-Ice processes (in part) and Russia should adopt more the western fatigue requirements.

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 57):
For that matter, why brand it under the unknown Irkut name rather than one of the established Russian names like Yakolev or Tupolev, especially as the overall body that controls their aerospace industry is UAC (United Aircraft Corporation)?

I'm not sure enough thought was put into the naming. But due to different distribution systems are being used for parts (no Boeing partnership for the MC-21), a new name had to be found.

Serious question, is Shorts Brothers (Bombardier) the parts distribution partner? If so, ironic in a way...

Quoting winterlight (Reply 71):
Most companies do this to some extent. I know of one airplane who's composite control surfaces were actually plywood at rollout. Which technically is composite too...

   Happens quite a bit. However, it looks like this aircraft was a bit early for rollout...

Quoting mfranjic (Reply 83):
Since the . PW1400G-JM geared turbofan engine share the same, not just the engine architecture, but the fan´s and core´s geometry (fan diameter: 2.057,4 mm / 81,0 in; eng. architecture: F]G[3LPC-8HPC ^ 2HPT-3LPT) with the PW1100G-JM engine (among some differences in engines´ design, like the accessory drives, the engines differ in FADEC Hardware & Software PN and Data Storage Unit PN - Ratings Plug), I expect that, until the first flight, Irkut MS-21-300 first prototype will get a new pair of the engines and that with all the construction and software modifications already implemented in the PW1100G-JM engine aimed for the Airbus A320neo family of the aircraft.

The secondary subsystems are very different in the PW1400G and I rather like what Shorts Brothers is doing for Irkut/United aircraft.

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RE: MC-21 To Roll Out On June 8

Sun Jun 12, 2016 12:52 am

BBD Belfast has been selected by UTC in 2012 to supply PW1400G nacelle.

http://www.pw.utc.com/Press/Story/20120605-1200/2012/All%20Categories

"Pratt & Whitney and Irkut Corporation selected Short Brothers plc, a subsidiary of Bombardier Aerospace of Canada, as the exclusive nacelle provider for the PW1400G engine family."

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RE: MC-21 To Roll Out On June 8

Sun Jun 12, 2016 1:27 am

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 19):
It seems to be a good replacement for the Boeing 757.

That was 100% my though. Shame it doesnt have winglets on it though. I think there is a market for 200-240 seaters in that range. Makes a great little niche vs A and B.
 
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RE: MC-21 To Roll Out On June 8

Sun Jun 12, 2016 8:45 am

Quoting FYODOR (Reply 80):

Great pictures.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 85):
I'm not sure enough thought was put into the naming. But due to different distribution systems are being used for parts (no Boeing partnership for the MC-21), a new name had to be found.

As for the eventual name of the aircraft, I thought it was very telling that there was a big YAK logo, (in Cyrrilic Russian), on the main wall of the presentation hangar, and Yakovlev's signature is under the cockpit windows.
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RE: MC-21 To Roll Out On June 8

Sun Jun 12, 2016 11:01 pm

Quoting queb (Reply 86):
BBD Belfast has been selected by UTC in 2012 to supply PW1400G nacelle.

Since shorts brothers has done so much of the engineering, is this really a surprise?

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Re: MC-21 To Roll Out On June 8

Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:35 pm

Hello,

any news on the development of this project? Any first flight date yet?

Thank you ,
 
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Re: RE: MC-21 To Roll Out On June 8

Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:06 pm

lightsaber wrote:
Contrats!

I like quite a bit of the MC-21 design.

Lightsaber



I'll ask. Which parts do you like?
 
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Re: MC-21 To Roll Out On June 8

Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:07 pm

These days, Russian aircraft seem to be designed but not produced in large numbers. Does anyone know if Irkut has the capacity to produce this in reasonable numbers? Could they make 100 per year (or even 50)?
 
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Re: RE: MC-21 To Roll Out On June 8

Thu Feb 16, 2017 2:26 am

kitplane01 wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
Contrats!

I like quite a bit of the MC-21 design.

Lightsaber



I'll ask. Which parts do you like?

Anti ice subsystems. Some of the design philosophy in terms of component requirements. Using existing or slightly modified components when the performance penalties were negligible instead of insisting everything be customized when there was no advantage. Design for high density routes. New when new designs made a difference. Airfoil design.

Pratt engines. ;)

The reality is the NEO and MAX had many areas to be improved upon. Now the numbers for empty weight posted in this thread are better than I thought when I posted before... So perhaps overconcervative? I appreciate good design. Now the question becomes support services... And actual performance too. ;)

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Re: MC-21 To Roll Out On June 8

Thu Feb 16, 2017 4:41 am

It is not about 12 cm wider than A-320 (though it is very important: two pax can go either way and food carts can be moved while people going).
It is not about 50 aircraft for Aeroflot - it would terminate all A-320 leases.

The point is that Russia can not wait until political situation in relations with EU/U.S. improves. There is a clear understanding all across the country that Russia becomes ( or supposed to ) a home of breakthrough technologies. It is the only way for the country and the nation to survive and prosper.

At PriceWaterhouseCoopers they have seen this trend. And that is why they put Russia on GDP PPP No. 6 in 2035 and 2050.
http://www.pwc.com/gx/en/issues/the-eco ... y-2015.pdf

Or another example.
The Russian Deputy Defense Minister Gen. Borisov stated that the technology of cold plasma - as the result of cooperation between MoD and the Academy of Science - is ready. First prototypes are expected in five years. According to Gen. Borisov, the time between a decision made and "the final result" may take minutes, or seconds.
Obviously this technology will be used on missiles first. But it will be a revolution in the way of transportation (it hardly can be called aviation).

Russia develops its science and technology beyond the matrix of financial instruments - and with minimum sovereign debt.
This is the Grand Strategy of Vladimir Putin. And that is why Russia (even in these hard years) keeps the number of "on budget" first year students at the steady number of 500,000. Every year. It is in excess of 3 millions for the tertiary education.

One can easily say that it is my wishful thinking. Perhaps. But living in Virginia, 15 miles from the Capital Beltway, I perfectly understand President Trump's words that good relations with Russia would be an asset.
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Re: MC-21 To Roll Out On June 8

Thu Feb 16, 2017 7:37 am

tapairbus370 wrote:
Hello,

any news on the development of this project? Any first flight date yet?

Thank you ,


From the latest information it should be somewhere between March and April. The stress tests have been completed already and the second airframe for static tests is also ready. Third prototype will carry the PD-14 engines IIRC.

Can't wait for the first flight of this amazing bird.
 
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Re: MC-21 To Roll Out On June 8

Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:02 am

Believe it or not, I do not find the type particularly attractive aesthetically. It looks bulky.

It really does remind me of the A300.

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Re: RE: MC-21 To Roll Out On June 8

Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:13 am

AirbusA6 wrote:
From a passenger's point of view, it looks attractive with its wider fuselage giving more space and/or a wider aisle, and large windows.
Sadly, such features won't sell planes!


A wider aisle would, that would improve entry and exit times leading to faster turnarounds.
 
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Re: MC-21 To Roll Out On June 8

Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:47 am

The small CFRP-wing looks quite impressive to me. The cabin interior dimensions are sized in a comfortable and passenger friendly way. Quite different from the current squeeze-dogma in the west. Hopefully the numbers still work for any MS-21 operator.
 
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Re: MC-21 To Roll Out On June 8

Thu Feb 16, 2017 9:49 am

Beautiful and interesting looking aircraft.
Russian airliners are often very attractive and distinctive, IMO. The cabin looks very pleasing from the mock-ups.
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