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RE: OAK Is Regaining Its Former Glory

Wed Jun 08, 2016 7:37 pm

Quoting dfwjim1 (Reply 47):
I just can't see the Bay Area supporting non-stop flights to South America when there are many gateway cities along the way
ie IAH, DFW, MIA, LAX...etc. Also I believe the same thing goes for FLL/MIA when it comes to nonstop flights to Asia.

My thoughts exactly. There are several points to flow over with virtually zero circuity.

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=SFO-GRU...-DFW-GRU,+SFO-MEX-GRU,+SFO-PTY-GRU

[Edited 2016-06-08 12:38:07]
 
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Wed Jun 08, 2016 7:39 pm

Quoting Rdh3e (Reply 46):
I only used cities with co-terminal airports because that is what he was trying to compare.

I don't think so:

Quoting slider (Reply 41):
Jointly, that is almost on par with ORD and LAX from a total marco pax volume standpoint. Wow.

But never mind.
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Wed Jun 08, 2016 7:45 pm

Quoting UALWN (Reply 51):
But never mind.

Comparing three airports to one is not just meaningless, it's disingenuous. I was fixing the issue.
 
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Wed Jun 08, 2016 7:46 pm

Quoting Rdh3e (Reply 44):
If you're going to lump OAK/SFO/SJC together then you have to add MDW/ORD and BUR/LAX/SNA/LGB together.

Houston....................52,607,626
Washington D.C.........66,213,393
Bay Area...................68,686,676
Dallas........................77,244,168
Los Angeles...............92,446,529
Chicago.....................93,698,100
New York City...........117,746,709

This is from T100 so it won't match exactly.

That wasn't my intent though--I just saw the 70MM and was curious, personally, how that aggregate colocated airports count stacked up against the busiest SINGLE airports in the country. Just a nerd moment, haha
 
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Wed Jun 08, 2016 7:53 pm

Why did WN return to SFO after many years of absence?

How many years was it?

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Wed Jun 08, 2016 7:57 pm

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 54):

I think WN left in 2001, and returned in 2007/08 when VX started up.
 
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Wed Jun 08, 2016 9:13 pm

Quoting Rdh3e (Reply 52):
I was fixing the issue.

And apparently you forgot about ATL, which by itself has more passengers than any aggregated colocated airports bar NYC. It didn't make any sense to leave Atlanta out.
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Wed Jun 08, 2016 9:59 pm

I find it interesting that WN needs two more gates in T-1 when they have 12 in T-2 for 124 daily flights. What it tells me is what some of you have pointed out and that is they are preparing for a major expansion at OAK and so gates 4 and 6 are the closest to T-2 but as I said there is no Gate 2 which disappeared when they built T-2. When my G4 flight landed from Provo on Monday we docked at Gate 17 which is at the very end of T-1 and G4 used to use gates 4 and 6 so I guess SWA booted the poor ULCC to the end of the concourse. Please do not turn the thread into a G4 bashing--there was a butt in every seat to and from Provo as we Mormons are cheap!!!
 
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Wed Jun 08, 2016 10:29 pm

Quoting Travelmanager (Reply 26):
Now, if only they had an airport lounge,
Quoting n471wn (Reply 57):
Please do not turn the thread into a G4 bashing--there was a butt in every seat to and from Provo as we Mormons are cheap!!!

haha...G4 and Mormons have had enough bashing over the years. No need for more! The Bay Area is a very accepting place, even for Minorities like conservatives, Mormons, and cheapskates . . (I would like to think so, at least). Or it may just be wishful thinking.
 
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Wed Jun 08, 2016 10:50 pm

Quoting bluefltspecial (Reply 32):
Per enilria in the most recent OAG Change update on 6/10:

*DL ATL-OAK SEP 1.0>0 OCT 0.9>0

Maybe I'm missing something, but the DL website no longer shows a nonstop flight.
 
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Wed Jun 08, 2016 11:11 pm

Quoting UALWN (Reply 56):
And apparently you forgot about ATL

You didn't read the thread.

Quoting Rdh3e (Reply 46):

I only used cities with co-terminal airports because that is what he was trying to compare
 
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Wed Jun 08, 2016 11:31 pm

Quoting 11725Flyer (Reply 59):
Quoting bluefltspecial (Reply 32):
Per enilria in the most recent OAG Change update on 6/10:

*DL ATL-OAK SEP 1.0>0 OCT 0.9>0

Maybe I'm missing something, but the DL website no longer shows a nonstop flight.

That's what 0.9>0 means.
 
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Wed Jun 08, 2016 11:37 pm

Quoting UALWN (Reply 56):
And apparently you forgot about ATL, which by itself has more passengers than any aggregated colocated airports bar NYC. It didn't make any sense to leave Atlanta out.

I think the more accurate measure for this discussion is total O&D demand by catchment area. By this count the top 3 markets in the USA are NYC, LA and SF.
 
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Thu Jun 09, 2016 1:02 am

Quoting Rdh3e (Reply 60):
You didn't read the thread.

I did. And your post still makes no sense without Atlanta.

Quoting Rdh3e (Reply 60):
I only used cities with co-terminal airports because that is what he was trying to compare

He wasn't. He actually told you that much:

Quoting slider (Reply 53):
That wasn't my intent though--I just saw the 70MM and was curious, personally, how that aggregate colocated airports count stacked up against the busiest SINGLE airports in the country. Just a nerd moment, haha
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Thu Jun 09, 2016 1:32 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 21):
Because, quite obviously, the primary demand to/from the Bay for transcons is to SFO.

That's not to say that there isn't demand from OAK, but such demand is insufficient to overcome the opportunity cost of using the ship to SFO or elsewhere. If it weren't, then the service would exist. No way around that.

Adding the BART connection to SFO really did kind of regionalize OAK. The AirBART connector might reverse some of that, but I doubt you'll ever see what OAK formerly was with the US3.

Quoting dfwjim1 (Reply 25):

As a side note FLL is smaller than OAK in land area but serves more passengers than SJC and OAK combined.

You can literally see SFO from OAK. Not the same.

Quoting BayAreaFlyer (Reply 30):

There's a new Escape Lounge opening in Terminal 1 this month, here's more info:

Interesting. I thought WN had contracted with OAK that there would be no lounge there?

Quoting Rdh3e (Reply 44):
If you're going to lump OAK/SFO/SJC together then you have to add MDW/ORD and BUR/LAX/SNA/LGB together.

Houston....................52,607,626
Washington D.C.........66,213,393
Bay Area...................68,686,676
Dallas........................77,244,168
Los Angeles...............92,446,529
Chicago.....................93,698,100
New York City...........117,746,709

You also left out ONT.
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Thu Jun 09, 2016 1:49 am

Quoting UALWN (Reply 63):
He wasn't. He actually told you that much:

That was after the fact by quite some time.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 64):
You also left out ONT.

Yeah, it's actually in that number I just didn't write it on here, whoops!
 
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Thu Jun 09, 2016 2:02 am

Hmmm sorry but OAK regaining 'former glory' to Bay Area old-timers would mean:

Return of UA maintenance facility
Return of UA DC-8s, Western 720s...
Frequent sports charters, etc.
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Thu Jun 09, 2016 2:12 am

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 66):

All we old timers want is more flights and passengers to use OAK with new records being set---we could not care less about UAL and its old maintenance base
 
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Thu Jun 09, 2016 2:32 am

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 66):
Hmmm sorry but OAK regaining 'former glory' to Bay Area old-timers would mean:

The former glory were talking about here is the transition from the 2008 recession.
 
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Thu Jun 09, 2016 2:39 am

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 66):
Return of UA maintenance facility
Return of UA DC-8s, Western 720s...

We are not worried about UA at all, the OAK market is doing very well without it. There's much more potential from other airlines and routes coming forward to serve OAK.

[Edited 2016-06-08 19:44:36]
 
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Thu Jun 09, 2016 2:40 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 64):
Adding the BART connection to SFO really did kind of regionalize OAK. The AirBART connector might reverse some of that, but I doubt you'll ever see what OAK formerly was with the US3.

Not really no. It did, however, bloat the BART fares to OAK. The connector surcharge is double what the bus cost and now puts SF-OAK at $1-2 more each way than SF-SFO (assuming you're just taking BART). The connector also managed to starve BART of maintenance funds and gobble up other regional transit funds (not entirely unlike how BART to SFO decimated the SamTrans budget). It's perhaps the most ridiculous vanity infrastructure project after the new Bay Bridge. There were better ways to spend half a billion dollars, and now that BART is back to begging for more money after some rather high profile service problems I'm sure the connector is leaving a bad taste in a few people's mouths.

Having used it earlier this year I was disappointed that it's further from the Coliseum station than the bus stop, and it's further away from the terminals. Were it faster or cheaper (to build or use) that'd be one thing. It's not.

As for parking, just use BART. It's roughly $7/day for a long-term (up to 30 days) permit.

Versus SFO, the security and weather are nicer. Otherwise I'd take SFO in a heartbeat (of course I don't live in the East Bay). For international flights the choice is pretty clear as SFO has quite an advantage with BART right to the baggage claim area.
 
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Thu Jun 09, 2016 3:29 am

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 66):
Return of UA maintenance facility

Return of the UA Maintenance Facility? That would be more like return of the World Airways Maintenance Facility; return
of the AirCal Maintenance Facility; and return of Transamerica.
 
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Thu Jun 09, 2016 4:55 am

Quoting BayAreaFlyer (Reply 68):
The former glory were talking about here is the transition from the 2008 recession.

In that sense, sure, I'm just talking sentimentally about having a great variety of jetliners on-field.
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Thu Jun 09, 2016 5:28 am

Quoting SFOA380 (Reply 48):
Varig and VASP both tried and failed.

I haven't heard of that. What were the equipment, schedule, and dates?

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 66):

Hmmm sorry but OAK regaining 'former glory' to Bay Area old-timers would mean:

Return of UA maintenance facility
Return of UA DC-8s, Western 720s...
Frequent sports charters, etc.
Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 71):
Return of the UA Maintenance Facility? That would be more like return of the World Airways Maintenance Facility; return
of the AirCal Maintenance Facility; and return of Transamerica.
Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 72):
In that sense, sure, I'm just talking sentimentally about having a great variety of jetliners on-field.

I agree with you! Gone are the days of Flying Tigers, World Airways, Transamerica, and United 747s. Now that would be a sight! Oakland is the most difficult major Bay Area airport to spot at, but even then you're better off catching the same equipment at SJC.
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Thu Jun 09, 2016 7:05 am

Quoting n471wn (Reply 57):
I find it interesting that WN needs two more gates in T-1 when they have 12 in T-2 for 124 daily flights. What it tells me is what some of you have pointed out and that is they are preparing for a major expansion at OAK and so gates 4 and 6 are the closest to T-2

It's also the closest to Customs and Immigration  
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Thu Jun 09, 2016 2:34 pm

Quoting YellowRibbon (Reply 73):

I can't remember the exact dates but I think the early 90's. Varig equipment was a DC-10 and VASP an MD-11. I remember a VASP incident at SFO that resulted in a bunch of blown tires... I was out in front of the Marriott and watched the first Varig arrive. Plane was filthy...I remember that much! I also seem to recall the VASP routing was SFO-LAX-MAO-GRU.
 
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Thu Jun 09, 2016 3:15 pm

From my understanding WN is making Every gate a 800/MAX available gate.
This spacing will eliminate gate 20.
Also with the international boom OAK talk is the airport will reclaim some under terminal 1 office space to expand customs arrivals area.
I've also heard WN may build out on the soon to be closed gate 20 area to add a new Flight Attendant crew lounge and training room.
A lot of shuffling going on underneath terminal One.
Future plans a few years ago had the airport building out to add gates 33-37 in terminal 2.

I think the WN terminal 1 gate adds are a temporary fix until and If they add 5 gates 33-37 in terminal 2.

Either way good to see OAK on the rebound for growth!

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Thu Jun 09, 2016 3:45 pm

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 66):
Frequent sports charters, etc.

OAK has plenty of charters.
 
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Thu Jun 09, 2016 4:01 pm

Quoting Rdh3e (Reply 65):


Quoting N1120A (Reply 64):
You also left out ONT.

Yeah, it's actually in that number I just didn't write it on here, whoops!

Here's the weird thing .... ONT is always lumped under "LA Basin" but HPN is usually excluded from any official count of NYC (JFK LGA EWR ..... obviously exurban options like ISP SWF TTN ACY HVN shouldn't really count)

LGA-HPN = 22mi
LGA-ISP = 41mi

SNA-ONT = 30mi (SNA is the closest LA airport to ONT)
LAX-ONT = 47mi

footnote : not that it'll move the numbers at all, since HPN only has 1.5m pax annually and another 1.2m at ISP, but just about the consistency of the methodology.
 
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Thu Jun 09, 2016 6:07 pm

Quoting modesto2 (Reply 4):
There was some discussion on a previous thread about Volaris possibly moving to SFO.

Looks like Volaris will temporarily move the GDL flights to SFO from July 3, 2016 until September 30th, 2016. Y4 is offering connections at MEX or TIJ if you want to fly to GDL from OAK during that period.

Y4 886 GDL 9:59PM-11:50PM SFO Daily
Y4 887 SFO 1:10AM-6:57AM GDL Daily

Y4 868 GDL 10:59PM-12:50AM SFO x3,5
Y4 869 SFO 2:10AM-7:54AM GDL x4,6
 
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Thu Jun 09, 2016 6:35 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 78):
footnote : not that it'll move the numbers at all, since HPN only has 1.5m pax annually and another 1.2m at ISP, but just about the consistency of the methodology.

My understanding with that someone in the middle of NYC will never use HPN or ISP but someone in the middle of LAX (especially due to traffic) can justifiably use many of the 5 basin airports.
 
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Thu Jun 09, 2016 6:59 pm

Quoting Rdh3e (Reply 80):

My understanding with that someone in the middle of NYC will never use HPN or ISP but someone in the middle of LAX (especially due to traffic) can justifiably use many of the 5 basin airports.

I'm thinking it's less of a distance issue but more unique circumstances - HPN due to lack of low fares that you can't find in the 3 core airports, and ISP because it's mostly a WN airport, which isn't exactly top ranked among NY metro share-of-wallet.
 
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Thu Jun 09, 2016 8:12 pm

Former glory should include Helicopter service between OAK, SFO, Marin and SJC.
 
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Thu Jun 09, 2016 9:03 pm

Quoting wnflyguy (Reply 76):

Also with the international boom OAK talk is the airport will reclaim some under terminal 1 office space to expand customs arrivals area.

"The Port of Oakland [will begin] a $25 million renovation of the International Arrivals Building at Oakland International Airport.

"Oakland International Airport plans to upgrade its facilities to better handle passenger growth. The renovation project consists of the following:

"New security screening and Automatic Passport Control kiosk area;
Carousel building addition and baggage conveyance replacement;
Seismic upgrades including building systems infrastructure upgrades; and
Passenger boarding bridge, aircraft parking, and taxi lane modifications."

Completion in 2017.

Source: http://www.oaklandairport.com/press_releases_detail.aspx?ID=745&t=p
 
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Fri Jun 10, 2016 4:57 am

Quoting SFOA380 (Reply 75):

Thanks, never knew about that.

Quoting slider (Reply 77):
OAK has plenty of charters.

San Jose too, but an Eastern B738 arrived today from AUS. Any idea on the pax?

Quoting DesertAir (Reply 82):

Former glory should include Helicopter service between OAK, SFO, Marin and SJC.

Yes, the SFO Helicopter Line! I wouldn't mind taking joyrides on the weekends. That reminds me - former glory would also include the short SJC-OAK (OC IIRC), and SFO-OAK (UAL, TWA, WAL, RW, and AAL, in different eras).
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Fri Jun 10, 2016 5:36 am

Quoting wnflyguy (Reply 76):
I think the WN terminal 1 gate adds are a temporary fix until and If they add 5 gates 33-37 in terminal 2.

Interesting, the Port of Oakland is also outlining a Terminal 3 expansion project (where Air Cargo Road is located) set to take place in 2018 or 19. The planned terminal will have better capabilities and access to handle both domestic and international arrivals. With an optional parking garage concept.

The current air cargo facility will be relocated to where the former UA Maintenance Hangar is standing. Both structures will be demolished and to become transformed into an expanded apron parking. Once the passenger volume hits past 14 million. The project will take place.

[Edited 2016-06-09 22:45:44]
 
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Fri Jun 10, 2016 5:42 am

Quoting YellowRibbon (Reply 84):
Yes, the SFO Helicopter Line! I wouldn't mind taking joyrides on the weekends. That reminds me - former glory would also include the short SJC-OAK (OC IIRC), and SFO-OAK (UAL, TWA, WAL, RW, and AAL, in different eras).

You forgot PSA and Air California. Air California had tag ons at different times for all three combinations such as SNA-SFO-OAK, or SJC-OAK-TVL. PSA also did stuff like OAK-SJC-LGB.

In the late 1990s, not long before TWA's demise, they flew tag-ons on Saturday. For example, they'd have STL-SFO and STL-SJC daily X6. On Saturday they'd have one STL-SFO-SJC. Did the same thing with ONT and SNA.

Western did SJC-OAK-HNL and OAK-SJC-HNL with 720Bs in the 1970s.

Where did SFO Helicopter fly in San Jose?
 
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Fri Jun 10, 2016 1:57 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 86):

The San Francisco and Oakland Helicopter Airlines served San Jose Municipal Airport from Palo Alto.
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Mon Jun 20, 2016 2:54 pm

Does anyone have any information on the WN starting OAK-TUS? Southwest.com (new routes page) shows it starting 11/6/16, but when you go to book, zero nonstop option appears...
 
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Fri Jul 01, 2016 10:06 am

psa1011 wrote:
Does anyone have any information on the WN starting OAK-TUS? Southwest.com (new routes page) shows it starting 11/6/16, but when you go to book, zero nonstop option appears...

Checked Southwest.com and shows OAK-TUS starts on November 19 and another flight on November 26. After that no more flights scheduled in the system.

Is the route likely to be seasonal? Or possibly an attempt by WN to see if the route has demand?
 
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Fri Jul 01, 2016 1:21 pm

BayAreaFlyer wrote:
psa1011 wrote:
Does anyone have any information on the WN starting OAK-TUS? Southwest.com (new routes page) shows it starting 11/6/16, but when you go to book, zero nonstop option appears...

Checked Southwest.com and shows OAK-TUS starts on November 19 and another flight on November 26. After that no more flights scheduled in the system.

Is the route likely to be seasonal? Or possibly an attempt by WN to see if the route has demand?


I think it's just a Thanksgiving travel add only!
WN said it's new system will make it possible for non daily flying to finally be added to it's schedules.

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Fri Jul 01, 2016 3:50 pm

how does G4 doing in OAK?are they planning to expand their network there?
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Fri Jul 01, 2016 4:52 pm

usflyer123 wrote:
how does G4 doing in OAK?are they planning to expand their network there?

They are doing great in OAK and continue to add flights and destinations
 
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Fri Jul 01, 2016 5:11 pm

usflyer123 wrote:
how does G4 doing in OAK?are they planning to expand their network there?


OAK just announced new G4 service to EL Paso- It will be their 9th destination out of OAK.
http://www.oaklandairport.com/press_rel ... ID=746&t=p

I'm surprised UA doesn't return to OAK. Ignoring an airport with 11 million passengers on the belief they will make the commute to SFO is crazy. I used to be a long time UA flyer (500k miles) but when I moved to the Eastbay, it just wasn't worth it to trek over to SFO just to fly them. And, OAK is so much easier of an airport in terms of getting there, navigating security, smaller size and much more dependable in inclement weather. I don't miss SFO and for domestic travel, I will take a layover with OAK any day over the commute to SFO for a direct flight. And now, with the new tram, you get reliable and easy access to OAK from BART. BART to SFO for me always involved having to get off the transfer station and get on the SFO tram. With OAK, it's no different.
 
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Fri Jul 01, 2016 7:31 pm

When I was growing up in the Bay Area in the 60s and 70s I would receive in the mail from Oakland International a printed hand-held brochure that showed scheduled departures and arrivals for all airlines serving Oakland. LOL...how times have changed.
 
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Re: OAK Is Regaining Its Former Glory

Fri Jul 01, 2016 8:04 pm

I think a DTW route on DL is in the foreseeable future. I previously read an article where OAK is looking into several new markets to get into if they can pitch it right.
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Re: OAK Is Regaining Its Former Glory

Fri Jul 01, 2016 8:05 pm

Oakland will regain its former glory when Helicopter service connects OAK, SFO and SJO.
 
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Re: OAK Is Regaining Its Former Glory

Fri Jul 01, 2016 8:44 pm

How many open gates are there at OAK and is there room for more?
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Re: OAK Is Regaining Its Former Glory

Fri Jul 01, 2016 9:15 pm

DesertAir wrote:
Oakland will regain its former glory when Helicopter service connects OAK, SFO and SJO.


Man, that's going to be a long flight. ;)
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Re: OAK Is Regaining Its Former Glory

Fri Jul 01, 2016 11:28 pm

Personally I believe that Oakland has lost its unofficial title of being the Bay Area's "second" airport to SJC after SJC picked up flights to LHR, FRA and Asia from large and established carriers. In addition SJC serves a much more wealthier population than does OAK. Just my two cents...

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