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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 179

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AirAsia X has AKL-OOL on sale for $69
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 179

Mon Jun 13, 2016 8:01 am

ZK-OKQ en route to AKL as NZ6006 after 41 days at QPG for maintenance and repaint. ETA AKL 2235, a bit dark to see which version of the new livery.

http://www.flightradar24.com/ANZ6006/a01d7df

And a nice shot of recently repainted ZK-OKM at LAX on airliners.net main page.


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The flightradar24 ZK-OKQ ETA is wrong.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ZKOKQ says about midnight

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 179

Mon Jun 13, 2016 2:20 pm

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 41):
( like NZ did with Ansett)

That was a failure because they didn't do any meaningful due diligence and they were going to beat SQ come hell or high water.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 179

Mon Jun 13, 2016 6:59 pm

With AirAsia X currently doing AKL-OOL for most of 2017 current on sale for $69, outside of the $50 AKL-SYD LA fares recently. As there ever been any lower Tasman Fares? surely this AirAsia X sale will impact JQ foward bookings on AKL-OOL.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 179

Mon Jun 13, 2016 9:24 pm

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 52):
Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 41):
( like NZ did with Ansett)

That was a failure because they didn't do any meaningful due diligence and they were going to beat SQ come hell or high water.

Yes due diligence would have shown that they shouldn't have touched AN with a 500ft barge pole! It had an even more complicated fleet than VA does (by a long way) and had old, under maintained aircraft along with crazy staff costs and far too many employees.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 179

Mon Jun 13, 2016 9:26 pm

Quoting PA515 (Reply 51):
a bit dark to see which version of the new livery.
http://www.jetphotos.net/photo/8291886
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 179

Mon Jun 13, 2016 10:31 pm

Quoting zkncj (Reply 53):
With AirAsia X currently doing AKL-OOL for most of 2017 current on sale for $69, outside of the $50 AKL-SYD LA fares recently. As there ever been any lower Tasman Fares? surely this AirAsia X sale will impact JQ foward bookings on AKL-OOL.

D7 has had mediocre loads from the outset, even with the original promo loads. This is just market stimulation to fill the spare 150-200 seats they have had on just about every flight.

Competition hasn't really lowered the tasman too much recently especially compared to longhaul ex AKL - they still have to cover costs and charge the horrific Australian taxes. LA had the $50 fare to SYD, but not since AR has there been an airline consistently dropping bellow $100 ow.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 179

Mon Jun 13, 2016 10:40 pm

Quoting zkncj (Reply 53):
surely this AirAsia X sale will impact JQ foward bookings on AKL-OOL.

Or force JQ to offer their own sale, like their Friday afternoon 4 hour sales

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 56):

If true then this sounds like possibly another failed New Zealand venture.
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Tue Jun 14, 2016 7:52 pm

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If true then this sounds like possibly another failed New Zealand venture.


I wonder if the cost at the Asian end of the market have an effect on the route? assuming the passengers transiting via OOL don't have to pay Aussie Airport Tax? With the costs being so much lower in Asia, it would make the AKL-OOL sector appear to be expensive vs buying AKL-KUL.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 179

Tue Jun 14, 2016 11:29 pm

In truth D7 are probably just doing enough for the moment but they will have to improve. I think they need to establish more of a marketing presence and brand awareness here to counter the negative view New Zealand has of true LCC and also because most OOL packages done through agents who may be reluctant to book them. Remember all the issues JQ had entering the market after QF to begin with, same thing applies here - particularly for the longhaul connections. If they were to sponsor a rugby side for example, it might A) let people know they are here and B) Plant the idea that if it's big enough for rugby players it's big enough for me,

Apparently passengers are very much OOL only and I think part of it is the same problem that EK faced with their AKL-SYD-DXB and potentially the same for WLG-CBR-SIN. Local demand was high enough on the second sector SYD-DXB (or OOL-KUL) that it l both limits availability and raises fares for those travelling both sectors say AKL-KUL and it also siphons seats away from the market that needs capacity.

I would say with D7/JQ/TT/5J and others that, that now the fares are lower everywhere in general they have a smaller fare window to work in now. If you miss out on the real cheapies, why travel JQ when you can fly LA or EK transtasman for the same money, why fly D7 when you can fly MU/CZ so cheaply to most ports in asia and get fed and bags.
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Re: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 179

Wed Jun 15, 2016 12:30 am

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Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 41):No, but I imagine they'd care if they painted themselves into a corner ( like NZ did with Ansett) and ended up with a 100% share of a failed airline
Sure, they would. But (a) they wouldn't need 100% and (b) if they did it and the airline were to fail, whose head would it be on?

The one area where Virgin can probably be said to be doing okay is Australian domestic, which is the area that Singapore would want:

http://www.smh.com.au/business/aviat... ... mqr1w.html

"Virgin Australia in profit as domestic airfares surge"

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Considering much of VA's losses are from their International division (both Short & Long Haul), I do have to wonder whether VA exiting almost all of their existing international markets in 2018 (excluding the routes of their Chinese investors) should the NZ Tran-Tasman partnership not be renewed past that date would be a better decision for them in the long run. Under that scenario, many of the withdrawn international destinations would be covered by VA's remaining partners (if applicable).

The A330s would assumably be kept for SYD/MEL-PER (with BNE-PER reverting to all-738s) and SYD-Chinese hub flights (which would be VA's remaining International flights), assuming the Chinese investors want to use VA to get around the Chinese (1-carrier, 1 route) restriction.

The VAi 77Ws in that scenario would either be sold off or returned to their leasors, and (most) VAi 738s transferred back to VA domestic.
 
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Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:38 am

I cannot see Virgin building any worthwhile international business by code sharing . They need to be in the market with their own distinctiveness. If they cant make this work they should bow out.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 179

Wed Jun 15, 2016 7:11 am

Another Beech 1900D has left the country. ZK-EAM went HLZ-NLK yesterday afternoon and this morning NLK-OOL. This is the same routing as the aircraft that went to South Africa. Ten of the eighteen have now left.

Just EAE, EAH and EAN are active on AKL-WAG, WLG-GIS and HLZ-PMR-WLG. EAB, EAC, EAG, EAJ and EAP are at HLZ. EAA, EAD, EAF, EAI, EAK, EAL and EAO went to South Africa. EAQ and EAR are with Trans Guyana.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 179

Wed Jun 15, 2016 4:52 pm

Ref Eagle update, they are only operating HLZ-PMR-WLG-GIS sectors.
AKL-WAG has returned to Q300 until service ends.
EAG and EAP are currently parked in AKL due lack of space in HLZ to park aircraft.
 
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Wed Jun 15, 2016 7:02 pm

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Ref Eagle update, they are only operating HLZ-PMR-WLG-GIS sectors.
AKL-WAG has returned to Q300 until service ends.
EAG and EAP are currently parked in AKL due lack of space in HLZ to park aircraft.

Thanks for that. I expected AKL-WAG to continue with the BEH.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 179

Wed Jun 15, 2016 7:20 pm

Regarding the 789 on AKL-EZE from 30 Oct. Will extra fire suppression need to be installed?

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 179

Wed Jun 15, 2016 9:51 pm

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Regarding the 789 on AKL-EZE from 30 Oct. Will extra fire suppression need to be installed?


NZ had the 789 in mind for ETOPS missions from the get-go so would have had them manufactured for that mission spec. I'd be very surprised if further mods were needed.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 179

Wed Jun 15, 2016 10:55 pm

The 787 series received EDTO approval in 2014. I am under the impression it might be 300-min. CHC-USH are the longest EDTO pair in the world at EDTO-300 min which is what NZ uses for its AKL-EZE service. I believe AKL-IAH is EDTO-240 min.
 
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Wed Jun 15, 2016 11:05 pm

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Ref Eagle update, they are only operating HLZ-PMR-WLG-GIS sectors.
AKL-WAG has returned to Q300 until service ends.
EAG and EAP are currently parked in AKL due lack of space in HLZ to park aircraft.

Any word on the final confirmed 1900D service and date?
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Wed Jun 15, 2016 11:29 pm

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nascarnut wrote:
Ref Eagle update, they are only operating HLZ-PMR-WLG-GIS sectors.
AKL-WAG has returned to Q300 until service ends.
EAG and EAP are currently parked in AKL due lack of space in HLZ to park aircraft.

Any word on the final confirmed 1900D service and date?


Last GIS-WLG is July 31st.
At this stage final B1900 service is 26Aug WLG-PMR-HLZ. Flt2426 WLG-PMR Flt2106 PMR-HLZ
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 179

Thu Jun 16, 2016 5:42 am

With the new WLG-CBR service starting in SEPT on SQ, does anyone else find it rather weird that NZ won't see you AKL-WLG-CBR on there website?

SQ will although at $1000NZD/return its pretty step for compared to AKL-SYD-CBR
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 179

Thu Jun 16, 2016 6:16 am

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In truth D7 are probably just doing enough for the moment but they will have to improve.


What makes you say that do you have a source? I have been on their flights a couple of times and they seem to be doing alright... :?
 
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Thu Jun 16, 2016 6:56 am

I see booked loads for airlines at AKL. It can tell a lot on a day to day basis as to how a flight is performing
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 179

Thu Jun 16, 2016 7:34 am

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I see booked loads for airlines at AKL. It can tell a lot on a day to day basis as to how a flight is performing

Ah I see, might just be that I was on one of their fuller flights then... I wonder what their average load factor for this route is.
 
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Thu Jun 16, 2016 8:48 am

It appears ZK-EAM is going to Uganda. http://fnqskies.blogspot.co.nz

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Thu Jun 16, 2016 7:16 pm

Does anyone know if any of the B1900D are going to stay with an New Zealand operator? it seems most are heading off to Africa?
 
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The most sensible thing that could have happened. More about it here:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/hamilton-news ... d=11658391

"It's all over for Kiwi Air - again"

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 179

Fri Jun 17, 2016 1:56 am

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Saab 340 for Air Chathams thats an bit new isn't it :) too use to them buy DC3 and CV580.

Maybe hope that they might buy some more Saab 340s or even some 2000s?

If AKL-WAG gets the Saab, does NSN-TRG/HLZ get the Metro?
 
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Fri Jun 17, 2016 2:16 am

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If AKL-WAG gets the Saab, does NSN-TRG/HLZ get the Metro?


From reading the two articles, I don't think Kiwi's NSN/TRG/HLZ survive. We know that DUD doesn't and Wiki is saying that they all end on 30 July.

That's one reason why I think it's so sensible - it clears out some of the over-supply at NSN.

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Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:53 am

And now Sounds Air does what it was pretty obvious it would do - take over BHE-CHC from Air NZ:

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU1606/S ... enheim.htm

"Sounds Air to take over route between Christchurch&Blenheim

The regional airline specialist will assume the service on August 1, flying twice daily Monday-Friday. Managing director Andrew Crawford said the connection between Christchurch and Blenheim is of critical importance.

“We have been overwhelmed with support to take on the sector since it was announced that Air New Zealand was stopping the service. The local health board sees it as a vital medical link between the regions with many passengers travelling to Christchurch for treatment. Business support has been very high with a great reluctance to have to travel to Christchurch via Wellington.

“Initially we’ll be able to cater for 180 people each week but there’s plenty of room to grow if the route is well supported. Additional lunchtime and weekend flights, which we are planning to introduce before the end of the year, will add another 120 seats a week. This will mean we will potentially be able to cater for more than 300 passengers on the route each week.”


Air Chathams in the north and Sounds Air in the south. Good stuff.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 179

Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:54 am

It will be interesting to see where Eagle's Beech 1900D ZK-EAM ends up. As of today it is still registered as ZK-EAM but the registration holder is Kampala Executive Aviation, British Columbia, Canada. From what I'm hearing, Kampala have purchased a Canadian company so maybe its final destination will be Canada, and not Uganda?? We'll have to wait and see!
 
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Fri Jun 17, 2016 4:44 am

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nascarnut wrote:
Ref Eagle update, they are only operating HLZ-PMR-WLG-GIS sectors.
AKL-WAG has returned to Q300 until service ends.
EAG and EAP are currently parked in AKL due lack of space in HLZ to park aircraft.

Any word on the final confirmed 1900D service and date?


Last GIS-WLG is July 31st.
At this stage final B1900 service is 26Aug WLG-PMR-HLZ. Flt2426 WLG-PMR Flt2106 PMR-HLZ

Darn, that won't work for getting on a final flight :(


With the new WLG-CBR service starting in SEPT on SQ, does anyone else find it rather weird that NZ won't see you AKL-WLG-CBR on there website?

LOL, this doesn't surprise me one bit considering how childish NZ is towards other Star competition on Tasman routes


If AKL-WAG gets the Saab, does NSN-TRG/HLZ get the Metro?
As the Otago article states, The Saab will launch the AKL-WAG route for 1 month before Air Chathams takes over, but nothing on if the Saab will remain on WAG services.
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Fri Jun 17, 2016 6:24 am

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If AKL-WAG gets the Saab, does NSN-TRG/HLZ get the Metro?.


As in this article, the Kiwi routes DUD-NSN--TRD and HLZ all end 31 July:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industr ... -operation

"Kiwi Regional Airlines scheduled services between Hamilton and Nelson, Tauranga and Nelson, and Nelson and Dunedin will end on July 30."

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Fri Jun 17, 2016 9:23 am

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777ER wrote:
If AKL-WAG gets the Saab, does NSN-TRG/HLZ get the Metro?.


As in this article, the Kiwi routes DUD-NSN--TRD and HLZ all end 31 July:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industr ... -operation

"Kiwi Regional Airlines scheduled services between Hamilton and Nelson, Tauranga and Nelson, and Nelson and Dunedin will end on July 30."

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Yes I'm aware of that. I was replying to a comment from another member
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Fri Jun 17, 2016 10:43 am

The recent four or so day out of service of the Saab was the last straw. According to Wilson Kiwi Regional had a choice to either expand by adding a second aircraft, or be absorbed into a larger operator and the former option was not supported by shareholders. Smart move on their part.
 
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The recent four or so day out of service of the Saab was the last straw. According to Wilson Kiwi Regional had a choice to either expand by adding a second aircraft, or be absorbed into a larger operator and the former option was not supported by shareholders. Smart move on their part.


What's interest g, though, is that Air Chathams is NOT buying the airline, nor the Kiwi AOC. It is only buying the aircraft. This means they are not liable for any of the Kiwi accumulated debt and they don't have to honour any of the Kiwi contracts.

Smart move on Air Chathams part, too. :-)

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Fri Jun 17, 2016 11:02 am

Funny, Wilson tried to spin it as "We are being absorbed" and Air Chathams said "We are delighted to buy Kiwi Air's plane!"

We all know what really happened.
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Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:24 pm

It sounded like they were also taking on at least some of the staff. It seems more like they've taken the company but are immediately retiring the name and AOC as soon as they get it moved over to theirs.
 
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[quote="mariner
What's interest g, though, is that Air Chathams is NOT buying the airline, nor the Kiwi AOC. It is only buying the aircraft. This means they are not liable for any of the Kiwi accumulated debt and they don't have to honour any of the Kiwi contracts.

Smart move on Air Chathams part, too. :-)

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I would have thought that a receiver should be appointed to dispose of the assets. Who is going to supervise the rest of the liquidation? They must still have some cash to continue to the end of July. I would expect the shareholders to get nothing . There were some used car operators involved at one time. Were they shareholders?
 
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Fri Jun 17, 2016 9:03 pm

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There were some used car operators involved at one time. Were they shareholders?


There was a used car dealer initially - 2 Cheap Cars - with 23%, but then Kiwi did a Virgin Australia with share issues and that was diluted to 10%. Whether by wit or by good luck, 2 Cheap Cars then got out:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news ... d=11565910

"2 Cheap Cars to sell 10% stake in Kiwi Regional Airlines

The shareholders are very much in charge of all this and obviously believe in not throwing good money after bad. According to Wiki, the company - Kiwi Regional Airlines - will be wound up.

I'm very much intrigued by this rationalisation of the small fry - and the expansion of the survivors. As per their website, Sounds Air presently has a fleet of 8 aircraft - 5 x Caravan and 3 x Pilatus -which may be why the BHE-CHC schedule is such a dog's breakfast. But the CEO has said that they will add a lunchtime and week-end service "by the end of the year."

He also says that by the end of the year they will have 9 aircraft in the fleet:

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU1606/S ... enheim.htm

"By end of 2016 we will have nine aircraft and close to 100,000 passengers."

All of which would indicate that they are getting another aircraft and there have been rumours for some time that Sounds will get a 4th Pilatus.

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Fri Jun 17, 2016 9:22 pm

I'm very much intrigued by this rationalisation of the small fry - and the expansion of the survivors. As per their website, Sounds Air presently has a fleet of 8 aircraft - 5 x Caravan and 3 x Pilatus -which may be why the BHE-CHC schedule is such a dog's breakfast. But the CEO has said that they will add a lunchtime and week-end service "by the end of the year."



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what is the chance that the small fry will consolidate around Sounds and Air Chatham? Is Inglis still operating ? There seems to be too low a barrier of entry into the business even after having to satisfy the regulator. Are the very small fry essentially owner/pilots renting planes from the Cessna et al dealers?
 
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Fri Jun 17, 2016 10:20 pm

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what is the chance that the small fry will consolidate around Sounds and Air Chatham?


That's my assumption. There will always be the really small fry - tiny airlines operating with one Cessna from Queenstown to Milford Sound, for example - and then there is the odd case of Sun Air, which has an interesting route map, a fleet of Cessnas and Pipers, and is in expansion mode- at Dairy Flat - North Shore.

http://www.sunair.co.nz

"From March 1 2016 we will be operating flights out of North Shore Airport (Dairy Flat) with destinations to Hamilton, Tauranga and Rotorua - Monday to Friday."

They've been around for thirty years so I guess they make money somehow, and not to forget Barrier Air, a competitor at Dairy Flat and expanding from its (successful) Great Barrier Island niche. It originally had some trouble with its KAT-AKL service, and threatened closure, but it seems to be surviving. I wonder if its partly though routing some of its flights through WRE because of the deal the airline has with the Northland Health Board?

Sounds says that the local district health board will be a major player in its BHE-CHC routes, too:

"Most of the passengers would be business travellers wanting daily return flights, but the service would also take hundreds of Marlborough patients to Christchurch for medical appointments."

I wonder of the same apples to the Westport route - but wouldn't local (Westport) medical pax need to go to CHC rather than WLG? Or does it matter which?

With Air Chats, I'm intrigued that they're planning to use the 34 seat Saab on WAG-AKL, which is a jump up from the 19 seat Metro, so maybe the answer is - not always?

As to the future, I guess we're into a period of consolidation by both Sounds and Air Chats as they absorb the new routes - unless Air NZ shakes more low hanging fruit from its tree, of course. I wonder that tiny Hokitika can still support NZ service when larger Westport got the chop.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 179

Fri Jun 17, 2016 10:38 pm

Sounds Air already have 9 aircraft (5 C208 and 4 PC12), so not sure what the CEO meant. Their website has not been updated with the latest PC12 ZK-PLX. This is their PC12 fleet.
ZK-PLS c/n 363 ex VH-KWO
ZK-PLT c/n 379 ex VH-MWO
ZK-PLX c/n 396 ex VH-NWO
ZK-PLZ c/n 445 ex VH-JMU

Only ZK-PLT and ZK-PLX are in the Sounds Air colours. ZK-PLS was said to be getting a repaint soon. There was speculation ZK-PLZ might be replaced by another PC12 as it is leased and slightly different from the others.

VH-VWO c/n 400 has not flown since 14 Feb 2014 so that's a possibility. That would give them four ex Royal Flying Doctor Service WA aircraft.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 179

Fri Jun 17, 2016 10:44 pm

mariner wrote:
I wonder of the same apples to the Westport route - but wouldn't local (Westport) medical pax need to go to CHC rather than WLG? Or does it matter which?


It will depend entirely of the services the person needs and where it is cheap and reasonable to go. Hours each way on a bus and probably overnighting in Christchurch. Or popping up to Welly and back in a day. The DHBs are running crazy lean so they are unlikely to be wasting money on transporting people around if there are cheaper overall options.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 179

Fri Jun 17, 2016 11:29 pm

VH-VWO c/n 400 has not flown since 14 Feb 2014 so that's a possibility. That would give them four ex Royal Flying Doctor Service WA aircraft.

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so these are not spring chickens, all well used. I guess that does not matter if Sounds can keep the maintenance up. Are there overhaul facilities in NZ for the P&W engine?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 179

Sat Jun 18, 2016 12:20 am

PA515 wrote:
Sounds Air already have 9 aircraft (5 C208 and 4 PC12), so not sure what the CEO meant.


Wiki thinks they have 4 x Pilatus, too, but the CEO said what he said - it was a a direct quote - and he further indicates that there will be extra aircraft time available by the end of the year and thus the additions to the BHE-CHC schedule, so, like you, I'm scratching my head.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 179

Sat Jun 18, 2016 1:32 am

Air Chathams is now a viable option for flying a Saab from AKL for those interested in logbooks. I was tempted to try and fly KRA, but one knew that it wasn't properly runand didn't have a spare aircraft so it was a risk, At least Chats can sub 3 different types if they have to,
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 179

Sat Jun 18, 2016 3:14 am

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Air Chathams is now a viable option for flying a Saab from AKL for those interested in logbooks. I was tempted to try and fly KRA, but one knew that it wasn't properly runand didn't have a spare aircraft so it was a risk, At least Chats can sub 3 different types if they have to,


Worst outcome probably mean you'll end up on the DC-3, although that could be an good outcome :D

See that CV have said that they will do the summer weekend AKL-WHK-AKL DC3 service again, hopefully they might expand the summer DC3 service onto some other routes. As there is much todo at WHK :)
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 179

Sat Jun 18, 2016 8:07 pm

Anyone know whats up with NZ246 DPS-AKL? is currently running 12hours late and arriving at 5:30pm instead of 5:30am.

Someone broke an trusty old 767?

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