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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 179

Sun Jun 19, 2016 8:36 pm

NZ must be getting to within a few weeks of taking delivery of -NZI. It is at the fuel dock so must be getting close to paint/ first flight or first flight/paint if it is being painted away from KPAE. I note -NZJ is only 8 frames behind it which is only three weeks production at the current 12 per month.
 
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Sun Jun 19, 2016 8:46 pm

I'm pretty sure two we're coming towards the start of FY17 which for NZ starts 1 July 2016
 
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Sun Jun 19, 2016 9:43 pm

sunrisevalley wrote:
NZ must be getting to within a few weeks of taking delivery of -NZI. It is at the fuel dock so must be getting close to paint/ first flight or first flight/paint if it is being painted away from KPAE. I note -NZJ is only 8 frames behind it which is only three weeks production at the current 12 per month.

I'm certain ZK-NZI has been painted. It was at the EMC paint hangar for about a week before going to the Fuel Dock. Woody's Aeroimages photo of ZK-NZI at the Fuel Dock only has the tail and the nose visible behind a 748.
http://nyc787.blogspot.com. 'Full Production Table' has ZK-NZI due for delivery on 15 July, with ZK-NZJ on 16 August and presently in stage 1A of final assembly.

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Sun Jun 19, 2016 10:15 pm

Had another look at the Woodys photo and ZK-NZI has not been painted. The AI of AIR NEW ZEALAND should be above the first two windows, 'ZI' on the front undercarriage door, and a Star Alliance sticker forward of the front door. Must have been at the EMC paint hangar for something else.

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PA515[/quote]http://nyc787.blogspot.com. 'Full Production Table' has ZK-NZI due for delivery on 15 July, with ZK-NZJ on 16 August and presently in stage 1A of final assembly.
PA515.... do you still show one 789 without work after -NZK is delivered? If so there must be another destination to be announced. Speculating , if NZ plans to operate all EDTO>180 sectors with the 789 it could be IAH. But does the 789 as presently configured have enough premium seats for this route?
 
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Sun Jun 19, 2016 10:42 pm

sunrisevalley wrote:
PA515
http://nyc787.blogspot.com. 'Full Production Table' has ZK-NZI due for delivery on 15 July, with ZK-NZJ on 16 August and presently in stage 1A of final assembly.
PA515.... do you still show one 789 without work after -NZK is delivered? If so there must be another destination to be announced. Speculating , if NZ plans to operate all EDTO>180 sectors with the 789 it could be IAH. But does the 789 as presently configured have enough premium seats for this route?[/quote]

With 2x 763 leaving the fleet, the extra 789s will need to pick up apart of that slack. Also add in that KIX and MNL will use the 763 when they start up later on this year, meaning that some short-haul 763 have been swapped to 789/772.

There has been rumor that 2x 789 this year will have an new config, I guess time will tell.

A while make they did say they we're looking to launch an additional route to North America. Or maybe AKL-YVR could go daily 789 year round?
 
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There has been rumor that 2x 789 this year will have an new config, I guess time will tell.

I think that will be next year's deliveries
 
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There has been rumor that 2x 789 this year will have an new config, I guess time will tell.

I think that will be next year's deliveries


Don't forget that NZ refers to 1 July 2016 to 31 June 2017 as 2017.
 
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Sun Jun 19, 2016 11:44 pm

Then I mean FY 2018
 
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Sun Jun 19, 2016 11:53 pm

http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/assets/P ... tation.pdf

Looking at the most recent investor presentation it was.
FY17 3x
FY18 2x
FY19 1x

I wonder if FY18/19 will get topped up to make 3x each FY? as all the other 789 came 3 per FY
 
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Mon Jun 20, 2016 5:46 am

sunrisevalley wrote:
PA515
http://nyc787.blogspot.com. 'Full Production Table' has ZK-NZI due for delivery on 15 July, with ZK-NZJ on 16 August and presently in stage 1A of final assembly.
PA515.... do you still show one 789 without work after -NZK is delivered? If so there must be another destination to be announced. Speculating , if NZ plans to operate all EDTO>180 sectors with the 789 it could be IAH. But does the 789 as presently configured have enough premium seats for this route?[/quote]

Not to much slack now but things could change. Summer 16/17 looks like for 789's.

10 x PVG 3 aircraft
3x NRT 1 aircraft
7x SIN 1 aircraft
4x EZE 1.2 aircraft
4x HNL .6 aircraft
12x PER 2 aircraft

Plus short haul in there. You probably have 2/3 days where an aircraft can be out for maintanence with that schedule. Like I have said before if a route was to change it might well be NRT which could free up an aircraft.

The 772 fleet could fit a couple more flights in, maybe extra HKG to connect to EZE depending on slots at HKG?
 
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Mon Jun 20, 2016 7:47 am

Looks like VA 91 has done an air return. Currently heading back to AKL.
 
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Mon Jun 20, 2016 8:52 am

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Not to much slack now but things could change. Summer 16/17 looks like for 789's.

10 x PVG 3 aircraft
3x NRT 1 aircraft
7x SIN 1 aircraft
4x EZE 1.2 aircraft
4x HNL .6 aircraft
12x PER 2 aircraft


In the recently investor day presentation they mentioned that AKL-PVG 14x weekly could be done with 3x 789s rather than the 2x 789 currently require to run this route daily.

I wonder if we could see some more adjustments to the PVG schedule to allow this to happen, of if they will use the .5 of the allocation somewhere else?

Still think by 2019 we could see the fleet increase to at-least 15 , my understanding was that had around 5-7 purchase rights light surely these are at reasonable prices being an launch customer. With the $260million capital coming in from the virgin sale, I wonder if any of this could be used as an down payment on 789 options?

Come 2017 once the 763s have finally left the fleet, they are going to need to find an replacement for.

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AKL-SGN 3-4x weekly seasonal (NS)
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Mon Jun 20, 2016 2:58 pm

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PA515
http://nyc787.blogspot.com. 'Full Production Table' has ZK-NZI due for delivery on 15 July, with ZK-NZJ on 16 August and presently in stage 1A of final assembly.
PA515.... do you still show one 789 without work after -NZK is delivered? If so there must be another destination to be announced. Speculating , if NZ plans to operate all EDTO>180 sectors with the 789 it could be IAH. But does the 789 as presently configured have enough premium seats for this route?[/quote]

ZK-NZK is due for delivery on 21 October. According to the Air NZ website, when the full peak season schedule is operating from mid December, there is still one 789 not in use all week except Sat 1055 to Sun 1700. And that is after including down-time available for the 789 fleet Wed 0515 to Thu 2355. That would allow a Tue, Thu, Sun long-haul to North America or Chengdu.

There's going to be some tweaking of the schedule as it has some abnormalities. For instance ten 789s in use on Sat, five 763s in use on Mon and four on some of the other days. AKL-RAR-SYD-RAR-AKL is still a 763 Fri-Sat, but there is a 77E available. And there are two Sun evening PVG-AKL about 90 mins apart. An earlier AKL arrival for the first would allow one of the Mon 763 short hauls to be replaced with a 789. The Sat AKL-PER 1055 could be changed to 1855 to bring Sat down to the nine 789s.

This drip feeding of the schedule is frustrating, but I understand their reasons. Slots yet to be confirmed, choices about capacity, the competition etc.

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Tue Jun 21, 2016 2:14 am

Plus short haul in there. You probably have 2/3 days where an aircraft can be out for maintanence with that schedule.
Boeing talks of 789 maintenance being done in short periods of time . None of the out of service for days on end. Intervals like C, D apparently do not apply to the 787.
 
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Tue Jun 21, 2016 3:46 am

NZ sale of VA stake to Nanshan completed

Air New Zealand has confirmed the sale of 19.98 per cent of Virgin Australia shares to Chinese conglomerate Nanshan Group.

The sale, first announced on June 10, was completed on Tuesday, the company said in a statement to the Australian Securities Exchange.

“As a result of the sale, Air New Zealand’s holding in Virgin Australia is approximately 5.9 per cent,” the company said.


http://australianaviation.com.au/2016/0 ... completed/
 
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Tue Jun 21, 2016 8:33 am

Just looking through some schedules QF's AKL-PER will change to an 1830 departure this summer the inbound still arrives at 0650. Still 2 weekly weekend only A332.

zkncj wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
Not to much slack now but things could change. Summer 16/17 looks like for 789's.

10 x PVG 3 aircraft
3x NRT 1 aircraft
7x SIN 1 aircraft
4x EZE 1.2 aircraft
4x HNL .6 aircraft
12x PER 2 aircraft


In the recently investor day presentation they mentioned that AKL-PVG 14x weekly could be done with 3x 789s rather than the 2x 789 currently require to run this route daily.

I wonder if we could see some more adjustments to the PVG schedule to allow this to happen, of if they will use the .5 of the allocation somewhere else?

Still think by 2019 we could see the fleet increase to at-least 15 , my understanding was that had around 5-7 purchase rights light surely these are at reasonable prices being an launch customer. With the $260million capital coming in from the virgin sale, I wonder if any of this could be used as an down payment on 789 options?

Come 2017 once the 763s have finally left the fleet, they are going to need to find an replacement for.

AKL-DPS 3-4x weekly seasonal (NS)
AKL-SGN 3-4x weekly seasonal (NS)
AKL-MNL 7x weekly
AKL-KIX 3-4x weekly seasonal (NW)


MNL is 3 weekly year round at this stage which hasn't had its schedule released yet. I wonder if they will use the 763 off KIX this year? Which could mean a MON, THURS, SAT service ex AKL, KIX arrives at 1205 so maybe something like

AKL 1330 MNL 1900
MNL 2100 AKL 1245

10 weekly PVG does use more like 2.5 aircraft rather than 3.

I wonder if NZ are thinking about more aircraft soon? Expansion or part of a 772 replacement?
 
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Tue Jun 21, 2016 9:05 am

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I wonder if NZ are thinking about more aircraft soon? Expansion or part of a 772 replacement?


I wonder if the 772/77W replacement would come in the same order? reducing them down to an single type. The purchase a couple of extra 789s to extend the fleet.

Doesn't seem like much space for growth in the next 2-3 years without another order. Would be interesting how fast they could get more 789s?

Anyone know what the 789 leased/owned breakdown is?
 
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Tue Jun 21, 2016 9:52 am

I wonder if the 772/77W replacement would come in the same order? reducing them down to an single type. The purchase a couple of extra 789s to extend the fleet.


You suggesting the 789 would be sufficient for the NZ fleet as replacement? I see the (eventual) future long haul fleet being several models based around two types, the 787 and the A350. Perhaps the 789, 78X, A359LR, A351 and A352.
 
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Tue Jun 21, 2016 7:57 pm

I wonder if NZ might pass on a direct 77E replacement. My modelling of the 787-10 (78X) suggest that this could be better than a 13hr airplane when carrying a 77E passenger load. Payload would be >36t which is a 85% passenger load factor and >6t of cargo. Its fuel burn would be some 22% less than the 77E. At 323 passengers it is close to a 13hr airplane. Even this sector time is more than enough for LAX-AKL most days.
Boeing continues to improve the 77W and its fuel burn is starting to get very close to that of the 77E. Probably <4t spread on a 13hr sector. Also they will have some very attractive pricing on it.
Airbus made a plug for the A350ULH for NYC service. Not sure what seat count they propose. But as the 789 weights come down; the RR TEN EIS next year with its 1.5 to 2% SFC improvement; the 789 setup with 260/270 seats becomes a contender for the NYC-AKL 17hr15min. westbound service. Not sure NZ is in the right frame of mind at this time to operate such a service. QF is giving hints that they maybe.
My view is that NZ should negotiate with Boeing on some additional 77W’s and some 78X ‘s. Not sure what firm price rights they have left for the 789’s and whether these are transferable to the 78X. A total of 16 sticks in my mind so that would leave 4. A 77W order of say 3 frames should provide leverage for better pricing on the 78X. There has to be days when a 77W seat count would be advantageous. Looks as if PVG might be able to use one from time to time. Certainly it would be work on IAH at very little extra cost over the 77E.
 
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Tue Jun 21, 2016 8:06 pm

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You suggesting the 789 would be sufficient for the NZ fleet as replacement?.


More simplifying the fleet so having additional 5x 789s for growth into smaller markets, along 15x 350/77X as an direct 77W/772 replacement.
 
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Tue Jun 21, 2016 8:48 pm

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Motorhussy wrote:
You suggesting the 789 would be sufficient for the NZ fleet as replacement?.


More simplifying the fleet so having additional 5x 789s for growth into smaller markets, along 15x 350/77X as an direct 77W/772 replacement.


Time is on NZ's side. It would appear the 77E's are in the fleet through FY2020. By 2018 the performance of the 78X will known and it will be clear if it might fit into the fleet. The 77W's at least until 2025 since I see no way of exiting them on favorable terms ahead of time. No where is there detail on which are leased and which are owned.By 2018 the performance of the 78X will known and it will be clear if it fits into the fleet. Airfleet's show the last two 77W leased . I believe 4 maybe 5 of the 77E are on lease. Someone who knows their way around the appropriate registry office for items with liens on them might be able to dig out the detail.
 
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Tue Jun 21, 2016 9:07 pm

[quote="sunrisevalley" I believe 4 maybe 5 of the 77E are on lease. Someone who knows their way around the appropriate registry office for items with liens on them might be able to dig out the detail.[/quote]

I know originally 4x 772 we're leased, although this could have changed since they got the 772 fleet.

NZ isn't to big on traditional leasing, in recent years most lease had been done under 12 year finance deals instead. Could be why it hard to find what they own/lease.

There was something an while back in an presentation by NZ of what the owned/leased/financed but can't remember what year it was.
 
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Tue Jun 21, 2016 9:14 pm

I know some of the 77E's were to go back in 2013/14 but all that changed with the 789 delay and significant changes were made to the lease terms. Perhaps I should go back to earlier shareholder presentations to see what I can find.
 
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I wonder if NZ might pass on a direct 77E replacement. My modelling of the 787-10 (78X) suggest that this could be better than a 13hr airplane when carrying a 77E passenger load. Payload would be >36t which is a 85% passenger load factor and >6t of cargo. Its fuel burn would be some 22% less than the 77E. At 323 passengers it is close to a 13hr airplane. Even this sector time is more than enough for LAX-AKL most days.
Boeing continues to improve the 77W and its fuel burn is starting to get very close to that of the 77E. Probably <4t spread on a 13hr sector. Also they will have some very attractive pricing on it.
Airbus made a plug for the A350ULH for NYC service. Not sure what seat count they propose. But as the 789 weights come down; the RR TEN EIS next year with its 1.5 to 2% SFC improvement; the 789 setup with 260/270 seats becomes a contender for the NYC-AKL 17hr15min. westbound service. Not sure NZ is in the right frame of mind at this time to operate such a service. QF is giving hints that they maybe.
My view is that NZ should negotiate with Boeing on some additional 77W’s and some 78X ‘s. Not sure what firm price rights they have left for the 789’s and whether these are transferable to the 78X. A total of 16 sticks in my mind so that would leave 4. A 77W order of say 3 frames should provide leverage for better pricing on the 78X. There has to be days when a 77W seat count would be advantageous. Looks as if PVG might be able to use one from time to time. Certainly it would be work on IAH at very little extra cost over the 77E.


Bingo, that's what I think could happen or similar as a 77E replacement, an improved 78J which could even replace the 77W maybe as well with a bit more premium seating. I can't see them going to the A350 just because it's the best 77E replacement, I think NZ could use potentially a 789/78J fleet by 2025 but they may still go for 779's for LAX/LHR/SFO if they see the need but with a UA JV I'd say you might see UA run daily LAX/SFO-AKL negating the need for NZ to need a 777X.
 
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Bingo, that's what I think could happen or similar as a 77E replacement, an improved 78J which could even replace the 77W maybe as well with a bit more premium seating. I can't see them going to the A350 just because it's the best 77E replacement, I think NZ could use potentially a 789/78J fleet by 2025 but they may still go for 779's for LAX/LHR/SFO if they see the need but with a UA JV I'd say you might see UA run daily LAX/SFO-AKL negating the need for NZ to need a 777X.


Just reminiscing on some of my earliest posts on airliners net, do you realise that we were having this very discussion about fleet developments for NZ A330/340 vs 777 and the rumour of them getting 777s back in 2004. It makes for an amusing read.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=250493
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Wed Jun 22, 2016 9:03 am

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That space did end-up becoming useful, not that its the NZ Lounge :D, remember when they though it would be an good idea to put frosting on the window so you couldn't use it as a viewing deck.

Anyway noticed that D7 has AKL-OOL on sale again! this time for $79 for travel til the end of 2016. Maybe this does really reflect how not great they are doing in the Auckland Market?

With D7 wanting around $400ow to most reasonable ports in Asia, yet NZ having AKL-Asia on sale for around $500 allot recently. I wonder if that has taken an hit on D7 traffic?
 
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Wed Jun 22, 2016 9:19 am

D7 will struggle along for a while, trying to grow market share which they may do yet, but the truth is they are shooting from behind the 8 ball right next to the corner pocket because they are competing against the 3 biggest frequent flyer programs in the region and these airlines with domestic feed from both OZ/NZ. OOL has always been popular with redemption Airpoints/Velocity rewards/Qantas tickets (JQ) from credit cards and mortgages to take the kids away or spend a retiring weekend in the sun as pensioners. Cheap fares will help, but it won't help their operating costs on the larger 333.
 
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Thu Jun 23, 2016 12:09 am

zkncj wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
Not to much slack now but things could change. Summer 16/17 looks like for 789's.

10 x PVG 3 aircraft
3x NRT 1 aircraft
7x SIN 1 aircraft
4x EZE 1.2 aircraft
4x HNL .6 aircraft
12x PER 2 aircraft


In the recently investor day presentation they mentioned that AKL-PVG 14x weekly could be done with 3x 789s rather than the 2x 789 currently require to run this route daily.

I wonder if we could see some more adjustments to the PVG schedule to allow this to happen, of if they will use the .5 of the allocation somewhere else?

Still think by 2019 we could see the fleet increase to at-least 15 , my understanding was that had around 5-7 purchase rights light surely these are at reasonable prices being an launch customer. With the $260million capital coming in from the virgin sale, I wonder if any of this could be used as an down payment on 789 options?

Come 2017 once the 763s have finally left the fleet, they are going to need to find an replacement for.

AKL-DPS 3-4x weekly seasonal (NS)
AKL-SGN 3-4x weekly seasonal (NS)
AKL-MNL 7x weekly
AKL-KIX 3-4x weekly seasonal (NW)


You can take MNL off that list as of this morning
 
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Thu Jun 23, 2016 1:17 am

Pardon my ignorance, but has there been news regarding MNL that I have missed?
 
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Thu Jun 23, 2016 1:42 am

Has MNL been cancelled?
 
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Thu Jun 23, 2016 3:34 am

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Has MNL been cancelled?

NBR is reporting Air NZ AKL-MNL is 'on hold'. Could only see the headline as it's a subscription publication.

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Yesterday I got an email from NZ stating an Airpoints announcement was due today, anyone know what announcement it was?
 
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Yesterday I got an email from NZ stating an Airpoints announcement was due today, anyone know what announcement it was?

as that the one about airpoints accrual now directly with Z Fuel, New World and another that I forget?

As far as MNL it has been put on hold. Probably lost the slots they wanted and with the 767 shortage it was not possible to fly at any other time. Who knows?
 
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Thu Jun 23, 2016 8:35 am

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ZK-NBT wrote:
Bingo, that's what I think could happen or similar as a 77E replacement, an improved 78J which could even replace the 77W maybe as well with a bit more premium seating. I can't see them going to the A350 just because it's the best 77E replacement, I think NZ could use potentially a 789/78J fleet by 2025 but they may still go for 779's for LAX/LHR/SFO if they see the need but with a UA JV I'd say you might see UA run daily LAX/SFO-AKL negating the need for NZ to need a 777X.


Just reminiscing on some of my earliest posts on airliners net, do you realise that we were having this very discussion about fleet developments for NZ A330/340 vs 777 and the rumour of them getting 777s back in 2004. It makes for an amusing read.

Haha. Indeed well I think I called it back then 772/787. IMO they made the right decision, a 2004/05 built A332 could do Asia but not LAX/SFO/YVR, A333 could have only really done HNL/PER and I'd say current management would be glad they didn't order A340's which didn't seem to make sense anyway be it the A343 or the A346. And the 777 to big for Tasman/Pacific hmm look how many run there now 6/7 a day usually.

Anyway to the present I'll stand by what I said and say 78J if it improves to be a 13 hr aircraft for LAX/LHR/SFO otherwise 779 with maybe a few 778's along with 789's.

Read elsewhere that the 763 will now go early 2017 which tbh seems unlikely unless they bring that 12th 789 foward a year.




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Fri Jun 24, 2016 1:07 am

aerorobnz wrote:
777ER wrote:
Yesterday I got an email from NZ stating an Airpoints announcement was due today, anyone know what announcement it was?

as that the one about airpoints accrual now directly with Z Fuel, New World and another that I forget?

As far as MNL it has been put on hold. Probably lost the slots they wanted and with the 767 shortage it was not possible to fly at any other time. Who knows?

Yeah NZ said they were having issues (ie paperwork, approvals etc) and something about seasonality (ie if they don't start when they want to they miss the peak window so no rush to start the new service). Is a shame really because this was an exciting prospect. The additional competition probably didn't help matters much either.
 
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Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:31 am

I wonder how New Zealand to Fiji flights are going at the moment? constantly seeing them on sale ex-AKL,WLG,CHC. Yet they aren't really worth it due to the tax on the back.

Do you think Fiji stupidly high departure tax is starting to take toll on them?
 
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Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:46 am

Just seen a rather cryptic ad from NZ and UA...

It says:

"It's coming....
Find out more on the 4th of July"

4th of July being Independence Day in the US of course....
Thoughts are that they might both go to having 2 Pieces of baggage allowance.
Or they might be about to announce another route (either UA to do a LAX-AKL, with NZ to then fly to say DEN or ORD).
This might be part of the reason why MNL has been postponed?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 179

Fri Jun 24, 2016 4:00 am

Zkpilot wrote:
Just seen a rather cryptic ad from NZ and UA...

It says:

"It's coming....
Find out more on the 4th of July"

4th of July being Independence Day in the US of course....
Thoughts are that they might both go to having 2 Pieces of baggage allowance.
Or they might be about to announce another route (either UA to do a LAX-AKL, with NZ to then fly to say DEN or ORD).
This might be part of the reason why MNL has been postponed?


I thought that was ust the date of the first departure AKL-SFO.
 
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Fri Jun 24, 2016 4:13 am

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I thought that was just the date of the first departure AKL-SFO.


Maybe launch an new route, at the press conference of the first UA SFO-AKL service? make an hit back of the AA service starting this weekend.
 
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Fri Jun 24, 2016 5:44 am

zkncj wrote:
aerorobnz wrote:
I thought that was just the date of the first departure AKL-SFO.


Maybe launch an new route, at the press conference of the first UA SFO-AKL service? make an hit back of the AA service starting this weekend.

Wondered when AA started AKL services as over the last week I've seen full length AA advertising on Wellington buses stating the AKL services now operating
 
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Fri Jun 24, 2016 6:27 am

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Wondered when AA started AKL services as over the last week I've seen full length AA advertising on Wellington buses stating the AKL services now operating


First flight is currently due to arrive tomorrow morning at 06:35, so should be leaving LAX around now?
 
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Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:09 am

I saw them moving AA checkin signage around AKL Intl today.
N814AA on way. Delivered in Feb 2016.
 
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Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:31 am

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I saw them moving AA checkin signage around AKL Intl today.


Doing the think we can fit them in here? :D Shall be fun to see if they get stairs a couple of buses.
 
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Fri Jun 24, 2016 8:07 am

NZ is cancelling three morning Auckland - Kapiti Coast - Auckland sectors on Thursday, Friday and Sunday

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/ne ... re-dropped
 
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Fri Jun 24, 2016 9:06 am

Do we know for sure that MNL has been canx/delayed?
It was only an NBR story, no other media that I saw and nothing from NZ.
 
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Fri Jun 24, 2016 9:30 am

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Do we know for sure that MNL has been canx/delayed?
It was only an NBR story, no other media that I saw and nothing from NZ.

The NBR (National Business Review) is reliable. Will check out the library copy for details.

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Fri Jun 24, 2016 10:06 am

zkncj wrote:
aerorobnz wrote:
I saw them moving AA checkin signage around AKL Intl today.


Doing the think we can fit them in here? :D Shall be fun to see if they get stairs a couple of buses.

American on Gate 6 for the duration of its stay tomorrow. From Sunday onwards (and this goes for United as well) they will have layover arrivals with bus ops and then towed over mid-late morning for a gate departure.
 
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Fri Jun 24, 2016 9:06 pm

flyjetstar wrote:
Do we know for sure that MNL has been canx/delayed?
It was only an NBR story, no other media that I saw and nothing from NZ.

Yes NZ confirmed the delay. This from NZ:
Air New Zealand defers Philippines service
Air New Zealand has elected to defer the launch of its direct service to the Philippine capital of Manila.

Administrative delays in being able to make the new route available for sale, coupled with the traditionally longer booking window for this market have led to the deferral decision.

The service was to launch in December 2016, but has now been deferred until further notice
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 179

Sat Jun 25, 2016 4:29 am

haggis73 wrote:
American on Gate 6 for the duration of its stay tomorrow. From Sunday onwards (and this goes for United as well) they will have layover arrivals with bus ops and then towed over mid-late morning for a gate departure.


No better way to say "Welcome to New Zealand"! Well done Auckland Airport.

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