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Indiana aviation - 2016-2017 (part 16)

Sat Jun 11, 2016 10:25 am

An article unrelated to Indiana at all did have an interesting statistic that was. From http://newsok.com/article/5502580


Nationally, airfare decreased 7.66 percent in the fourth quarter of 2015 compared to the previous year.

The biggest increase nationally in the top 1,000 city pairs was 28.1 percent for Chicago and Indianapolis. The biggest decrease nationally was between Cincinnati and Fort Myers, Fla., at 39.5 percent.


Considering the route is first or second heaviest traveled from Indy and includes WN this was surprising to see.
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RE: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Sun Jun 12, 2016 1:07 am

Speaking of IND, they're rolling out a new mobile-friendly website to replace their site that was introduced after the new terminal opened.

http://www.indianapolisairport.com

Up I-69 at FWA, there's plans to add jetways to gates 1 and 3 in the near future, giving all the gates at FWA covered boarding. They will be identical to the one at gate 4.
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Thu Jun 16, 2016 11:37 pm

Has anyone heard anything further about the FWA-PHL route beyond what we've already discussed?
 
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Fri Jun 17, 2016 12:48 am

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Has anyone heard anything further about the FWA-PHL route beyond what we've already discussed?


There was an article in our local newspaper about it, which is no longer available. It used up about half of the revenue guarantee, which was $2 million for two years.

The FWACAA still sees FWA-PHL as a success because CLT (which is doing very well) launched at the same time with the same incentive package, and it proved that FWA did need a northeast hub after all. It's just that PHL wasn't the right fit despite the Lincoln Financial, Wells Fargo, and Comcast connections on both ends. EWR will probably do better because of the area's business ties to NYC, and I suspect that UA is looking very closely at adding an afternoon FWA-EWR flight to fill the FWA-Europe void.
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Sat Jun 18, 2016 9:07 pm

Delta is doing very well with their flights out of SBN especially the two morning Atlanta flights which average 95% Load Factors and have been for sometime. Also the afternoon SBN-MSP flight that for the past three months used a CRJ900 was also over 95% full including First. It is now being flown by a regular CRJ. Delta also is talking to the airport about regrading the ramp in front of gates A5 and A6 so they will be able to utilize the gates and jet bridges with Airbus A320 aircraft during the ND Football season as now they have to use Gates A3 and A9 for these aircraft and also tow Airbus aircraft to these gates as these gates are the only gates on the airport that are ADA complaint as far as jet bridge sill height angles.
 
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Tue Jun 21, 2016 3:24 pm

FWAERJ wrote:
cleared2land wrote:
Has anyone heard anything further about the FWA-PHL route beyond what we've already discussed?


There was an article in our local newspaper about it, which is no longer available. It used up about half of the revenue guarantee, which was $2 million for two years.

The FWACAA still sees FWA-PHL as a success because CLT (which is doing very well) launched at the same time with the same incentive package, and it proved that FWA did need a northeast hub after all. It's just that PHL wasn't the right fit despite the Lincoln Financial, Wells Fargo, and Comcast connections on both ends. EWR will probably do better because of the area's business ties to NYC, and I suspect that UA is looking very closely at adding an afternoon FWA-EWR flight to fill the FWA-Europe void.


I have always been impressed with how many pax FWA and SBN handle despite the leakage. We are entering a new age for both SBN and FWA and the next few years should be fruitful. I personally see SBN getting a less-than-daily (weekly lol) international route, probably to Mexico/Bahamas as well as DEN/DFW/CLT in the next year or so. For FWA I see EWR doing very well and a second flight should be happening along with either larger acft to CLT or another flight.
 
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Wed Jun 22, 2016 2:31 am

FWAERJ wrote:
I suspect that UA is looking very closely at adding an afternoon FWA-EWR flight to fill the FWA-Europe void.


Even the 2nd SBN-EWR flight is temporary. I doubt that UA is considering a 2nd FWA-EWR flight until the first has some kind of track record. UA will probably want a year of data unless the new flight is booking at 100% LF.
 
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Wed Jun 22, 2016 1:00 pm

atypical wrote:
FWAERJ wrote:
I suspect that UA is looking very closely at adding an afternoon FWA-EWR flight to fill the FWA-Europe void.


Even the 2nd SBN-EWR flight is temporary. I doubt that UA is considering a 2nd FWA-EWR flight until the first has some kind of track record. UA will probably want a year of data unless the new flight is booking at 100% LF.


Very true. Hopefully the second SBN-EWR flight get expanded past it's advertised lifespan but only time will tell.

Lastly, I've heard people talking about DL running the 717 at SBN as it does at EVV. Personally I am all for more frequency over getting DL mainline back at SBN. I believe that having multiple regional flights is better than one mainline. The last thing I want to see is DL bringing the 717 to SBN only to reduce frequency.....that really goes for all carriers.
 
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Thu Jun 23, 2016 1:57 am

The Delta folks at SBN say that it is inefficient to run 2 morning CRJ flights to Atlanta, One at 6:30 and one at 8:00 that are both running 95% load factors for that distance and are uncomfortable. If you have to have frequency 2 E175 flights would be more comfortable passenger wise but 1 B717 flight at 7 am would fit what they are talking about and they would be able to offer First Class and Economy Comfort seating options plus WiFi. This means you would have 3 flights a day to ATL one mainline and 2 CRJ's. Business people like frequency though so will just have to wait and see what Delta does in the future. Reference to the CRJ900 that ran the afternoon flight to MSP from SBN. The local Delta folks seem to believe that Delta is throwing the larger CRJ in select markets for a few months to see how they would be received because this will help them guage how they could phase out the smaller CRJ's. The SBN-MSP CRJ900 flight had very high load factors. To sum up the local SBN folks said that the B717 and CRJ700/900 would work better for the Atlanta flights because of the distance and the CRJ700/900 also to MSP for the same reason. They felt that the shortness of the flight to DTW made it a candidate for frequency with the smaller CRJ's.
 
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Thu Jun 30, 2016 5:31 pm

SBN's customs facility is coming along swiftly! Drywall, paint and some flooring is already in place. Walkway is over halfway finished. The build-out phase should be done very, very soon. Not sure how long it takes to install the equipment, move all of the supplies in, train staff, etc, but the slated final completion is in the fall.

Check the pics out here: https://www.facebook.com/FlySBN/
 
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Thu Jun 30, 2016 5:40 pm

Not sure if anyone heard about the proposed TRACON consolidation in Indiana/Michigan that started last year. The proposal was for LAN (Lansing), MKG (Muskeegon) , FNT (Flint), GRR (Grand Rapids) and FWA all to have their TRACON's combined with either SBN, AZO or D21 (Detroit). There was a good chance of FWA TRACON, MKG TRACON and GRR TRACON all being taken over by SBN. In the end ( as of last month) the FAA decided to leave FWA as-is and move all of the other TRACONS listed above to AZO (Kalamazoo TRACON). When finalized AZO will be pushing about 350,000 operations out of their TRACON, twice what SBN handles now. However, what will be cool is that SBN will still handle more IFR overflights than nearly any other TRACON in the country.
 
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Tue Jul 12, 2016 8:34 pm

SBN US Customs facility overhead walkway from gate 9 is now completely insulated and waiting to be framed in.
The return of AA to SBN may happen soon. AA officials were in SBN recently snooping terminal infrastructure.
Other things possibly happening to air service but nothing definite yet.
 
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Mon Jul 18, 2016 12:43 pm

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SBN US Customs facility overhead walkway from gate 9 is now completely insulated and waiting to be framed in.
The return of AA to SBN may happen soon. AA officials were in SBN recently snooping terminal infrastructure.
Other things possibly happening to air service but nothing definite yet.


Last week they weatherproofed the walkway and started to install the metal exterior skin.
 
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Mon Jul 18, 2016 10:17 pm

You can see it in WNDU's skyview pictures.
 
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Tue Jul 19, 2016 2:32 am

An update on FWA: https://fwairport.com/uploads/page/fwa_ ... ne2016.pdf

Traffic through June YTD is basically flat. The only airline that isn't showing positive or flat pax numbers is G4 (even then, it's down only 1%), and UA is showing the biggest increase at 6% - a number sure to skyrocket in September when EWR is added.

While on the subject of larger aircraft at FWA, the SkyWest MX base now has the ability to maintain the CRJ-700/900. Like SBN, the FWACAA wants frequency over mainline, so don't be surprised to see the two-class RJs at FWA soon.
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:43 pm

Checking in with SBN. The aircraft parking ramp rebuild to take out the slopiness and to strengthen and replace the pavement is in the future but the timwline hasn't been exactly set yet.
 
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Wed Jul 20, 2016 6:17 pm

Are there future possibilities for added or improved ground transport links from FWA to the Fort Wayne city centre?

Currently, the only ones I know of (from living in Fort Wayne area in the past) are the rental cars, a few shuttles run by hotels (including the two downtown hotels--the Hilton at the Grand Wayne Center and the Courtyard by Marriott next to Parkview Field, and a few suburban hotels--Hyatt Place on Washington Center Road, Comfort Suites on Coventry Lane, Hampton Inn on Jefferson Blvd, Holiday Inn Express on Ellison Road, and Residence Inn on Jefferson Blvd), taxi companies, limo/livery companies, and Uber.

Would there be a market for a shared-ride shuttle service, eg. SuperShuttle? How about a CitiLink bus route extending to FWA? Currently Fort Wayne is a bit small for surface rail links (and I haven't seen anything suggesting any in the future).

What other ideas might there be for improving ground transport links from FWA to Fort Wayne?

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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Wed Jul 20, 2016 11:17 pm

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Are there future possibilities for added or improved ground transport links from FWA to the Fort Wayne city centre?

Currently, the only ones I know of (from living in Fort Wayne area in the past) are the rental cars, a few shuttles run by hotels (including the two downtown hotels--the Hilton at the Grand Wayne Center and the Courtyard by Marriott next to Parkview Field, and a few suburban hotels--Hyatt Place on Washington Center Road, Comfort Suites on Coventry Lane, Hampton Inn on Jefferson Blvd, Holiday Inn Express on Ellison Road, and Residence Inn on Jefferson Blvd), taxi companies, limo/livery companies, and Uber.

Would there be a market for a shared-ride shuttle service, eg. SuperShuttle? How about a CitiLink bus route extending to FWA? Currently Fort Wayne is a bit small for surface rail links (and I haven't seen anything suggesting any in the future).

What other ideas might there be for improving ground transport links from FWA to Fort Wayne?

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Citilink has talked about adding FWA numerous times, but nothing has come about yet. It wouldn't be too tough because the FWA terminal is a mile and a half from the next-closest stop (the Fort Wayne Social Security Administration office). IIRC, the pre-Citilink PTC served FWA, but that was long ago when DL was running mainline. If Citilink can launch a new-route bus between the two Parkview Hospital campuses, I wouldn't rule out an extension of an existing route to FWA.

I don't think the Fort Wayne market is large enough for a shared-ride service. Even the Hoosier Shuttle from the Glenbrook area to IND uses 15-passenger Ford vans instead of the larger vehicles used in markets like Muncie and Lafayette to get to IND or the full-size buses used between SBN and ORD/MDW. IMO, shared riding will come to FWA when uberPOOL (Uber's carpooling service) launches in Fort Wayne.
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Tue Jul 26, 2016 2:04 pm

SBN although a little behind has their statistics posted for May 2016. Airline passengers are up 9% over last year.

http://flysbn.com/wp-content/uploads/20 ... y-2016.pdf
 
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Tue Jul 26, 2016 5:56 pm

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SBN although a little behind has their statistics posted for May 2016. Airline passengers are up 9% over last year.

http://flysbn.com/wp-content/uploads/20 ... y-2016.pdf


SBN is about 100 enplanements daily behind FWA as far as pax counts go.
 
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Tue Jul 26, 2016 11:46 pm

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"SBN is about 100 enplanements daily behind FWA as far as pax counts go."

Probably because FWA has DFW/PHL and CLT flights.
 
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Wed Jul 27, 2016 1:44 am

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"SBN is about 100 enplanements daily behind FWA as far as pax counts go."

Probably because FWA has DFW/PHL and CLT flights.


FWA-PHL ends next month, though UA starts FWA-EWR in September.

In the end, FWA will still have 12 nonstop destinations - 7 hubs (ATL, CLT, DFW, DTW, EWR, ORD, MSP) and 5 G4 cities (AZA, PGD, PIE, SFB, and seasonal MYR).

Also of note: A former G4 ramp agent told me that on FWA-Florida flights that the A320 family needed half the fuel of the MD-80 for the same stage length. I'm sure the story was identical at SBN as the stage lengths are similar. Bodes well for the potential return of FWA-LAS as more G4 A32x enter the LAS base. (For those at SBN, is G4 using an Airbus on SBN-LAS yet?)
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Wed Jul 27, 2016 2:38 am

G4 is still an MD80 on SBN-LAS. AZA is an Airbus A319. PGD and PIE are Airbus A320's and SFB is still an MD80 with an occasional use of an A320.
 
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Wed Jul 27, 2016 2:46 am

With the passenger loads they are flying from SBN-LAS plus the better performance of the Airbus A320 it would make sense for G4 to go all A320 on SBN-LAS. Also seems like PGD flights got more popular than SFB and the PGD base for G4 is all Airbus. With the deadline approaching for expensive fuel tank fire protection modifications for the MD80 it is making more sense for G4 to transition to an all Airbus fleet.
 
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Wed Jul 27, 2016 12:33 pm

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Also seems like PGD flights got more popular than SFB and the PGD base for G4 is all Airbus. With the deadline approaching for expensive fuel tank fire protection modifications for the MD80 it is making more sense for G4 to transition to an all Airbus fleet.


PGD is more popular than SFB at FWA, too.

It's always been G4's plan to move to an all-Airbus fleet, but part of G4's response to their inquiry by the FAA was to retire the MD-80s by 2020 in addition to the 757 phaseout. I'm sure the date has been pushed up further, and for good reason. Cheap A320ceos are starting to flood the used aircraft market this year and beyond as neos finally arrive in airline fleets now that the PW1100 issues are resolved and new engines are showing up at TLS and XFW. Also keep in mind that G4 is the primary buyer of quad overwing exit A319s that no one else wants as other airlines replace them with A320s and A321s. And G4 will only buy A32x with CFM56 engines.
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Fri Jul 29, 2016 1:04 pm

Looks like in the latest Allegiant expansion LAS-OAK flights will be operated with a mix of MD80's and Airbus A319's so this will be the first use of the A319 in LAS. So I guess it will not be long before SBN-LAS one of Allegiant's longest flights goes Airbus. They could possible resume FWA-LAS as the Airbus is considerably cheaper to operate.
 
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Fri Jul 29, 2016 7:35 pm

Allegiant just purchaed 12 Airbus A320's. They will also have a modified livery that they have shown on Instagram. (Employees voting on a or b) A looks to much like Thai Air, B has a swizzle look to it. I would bet SBN-LAS goes all Airbus very soon.
 
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Sat Jul 30, 2016 5:30 am

Anyone else see the press release from IND about a new route announcement next week? It sounds like it would be OneJet if I didn't know any better. Any speculation?

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Sat Jul 30, 2016 1:17 pm

pgphonehome wrote:
Anyone else see the press release from IND about a new route announcement next week? It sounds like it would be OneJet if I didn't know any better. Any speculation?

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It could be RDU or SDF.
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Sat Jul 30, 2016 1:48 pm

flymco753 wrote:
pgphonehome wrote:
Anyone else see the press release from IND about a new route announcement next week? It sounds like it would be OneJet if I didn't know any better. Any speculation?

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It could be RDU or SDF.


No way to either of those. SDF is only an easy 2 hour drive from IND. RDU is served sufficently by DL 2x daily.

Maybe OneJet to BDL or restarting MKE? Both don't seem to warrant a real announcement tho.
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Sun Jul 31, 2016 12:03 am

pgphonehome wrote:
Anyone else see the press release from IND about a new route announcement next week? It sounds like it would be OneJet if I didn't know any better. Any speculation?

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Unless it specifically states business travel, I think the obvious guess is Allegiant. Also keep in mind that G4 usually announces new routes in multiples, so watch for press releases from other airports.

G4's been adding new routes like crazy for a while, there were rumors that G4 was going to make several route announcements and an A320 order after the pilot contract got ratified (one's happened, but not the other yet), and it's about that time for G4 to announce new winter service. Perhaps the missing link of IND-AZA? I'm shocked that G4 has been at IND this long and still hasn't started AZA, one of their three biggest bases with LAS and SFB (both with IND service). I know that AA and WN fly IND-PHX, but neither are ULCCs like G4. The three can coexist peacefully, along with G4's AZA service from CVG and FWA (which both traditionally leak a portion of their traffic to IND, but not on overlapping G4 routes).

Now that G4 is finally adding Airbus service from LAS, I wouldn't be surprised to see an FWA-LAS resumption at the same time if the announcement is G4. And I wouldn't be surprised to see EVV-PGD or EVV-PIE as well. Maybe G4 will throw their oldest Indiana station SBN a bone as well with a seasonal flight to LAX.
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Sun Jul 31, 2016 3:40 am

G4 has placed an order for 12 new Airbus A320's. Heres a little history lesson: When Piedmont served SBN they had an afternoon one stop flight to LAX from SBN with the stop in DAY. The flight actually originated in the morning in LAX. The flight was operated with a Boeing 737-400 and was one on Piedmont's most popular flights. So I can see a SBN-LAX flight on Allegiant however I believe G4 would like to get the Airbus on the Vegas flight first to save on costs and to add more seats in the market.
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Sun Jul 31, 2016 4:49 am

This was the text in the announcement. MEDIA ADVISORY
News media are invited to attend a special announcement on Aug. 3, 2016.

What: The Indianapolis Airport Authority will share an important news announcement that will provide the Indianapolis business community with greater access to key business markets.

Where: Civic Plaza, Indianapolis International Airport (IND)

7800 Col. H. Weir Cook Memorial Dr.
Indianapolis, IN. 46241

When: Wednesday, Aug. 3, 2016

9:15 a.m. – media set up
9:30 a.m. – live announcement

Who: Participants will include representatives from Mayor Hogsetts’ office, the Indiana Economic Development Corporation, and the IAA leadership and board.

Interviews: Interview opportunities will be available on-site following the announcement.

Contact: IAA Media Relations – 317.487.5025, [email protected]
 
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Sun Jul 31, 2016 5:24 am

Allegiant's head of media relations is in Raleigh ... through Wednesday.

Figure it out, folks.
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Sun Jul 31, 2016 5:45 am

OneJet announced a new focus city in SDF but I cannot imagine that route working. It would make zero sense. And given that airline's history at IND I doubt they would make any fuss over any route started by this company. Certainly it wouldn't involve the Mayor's office and the Indiana Economic Development Corporation. I doubt it is RDU. The route is already served and there just isn't the demand for a 2nd carrier. This is going to be something new I suspect. Maybe one of the routes the IAA has been working on for a while. SAN? SEA? This is also the time of year TATL routes get announced. LHR? I think the parties involved in this announcement indicate something bigger than IND-SDF or a route to a small market already served by another airline.
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Sun Jul 31, 2016 7:34 am

Actually the clue is in the time of the announcement. At 9:30am you can pretty much eliminate anything west of Indianapolis. Why? Because there is going to be an announcement at the other end of this route and they aren't going to do a news story before the start of business. Especially a business related service. It may mean something or nothing but RDU-CDG was announced at approximately 10am. I've been looking at news story times and 9:30am is very early for a domestic announcement.

I must add this thought. I find this wording to be a bit suspicious...

"What: The Indianapolis Airport Authority will share an important news announcement that will provide the Indianapolis business community with greater access to key business markets."

Is it just me or does the wording smell a bit of a marketing/publicity stunt? Perhaps there are no new flights involved here at all.
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Sun Jul 31, 2016 3:10 pm

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Actually the clue is in the time of the announcement. At 9:30am you can pretty much eliminate anything west of Indianapolis. Why? Because there is going to be an announcement at the other end of this route and they aren't going to do a news story before the start of business. Especially a business related service. It may mean something or nothing but RDU-CDG was announced at approximately 10am. I've been looking at news story times and 9:30am is very early for a domestic announcement.

I must add this thought. I find this wording to be a bit suspicious...

"What: The Indianapolis Airport Authority will share an important news announcement that will provide the Indianapolis business community with greater access to key business markets."

Is it just me or does the wording smell a bit of a marketing/publicity stunt? Perhaps there are no new flights involved here at all.


G4 usually announces new routes between 9 and 10 AM local time. They usually show up for booking around 7 AM Mountain/9 AM Eastern.

Pair that with the fact that G4's media relations person is in RDU until Wednesday and you get an idea: The IAA must have hired some PR folks away from QR. This will be about leisure, not business routes.
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Sun Jul 31, 2016 4:27 pm

pgphonehome wrote:
This was the text in the announcement. MEDIA ADVISORY
News media are invited to attend a special announcement on Aug. 3, 2016.


I've got 2 thoughts about this. First, I'm hoping AS will announce IND to SAN and/or SEA. They commonly issue announcement releases anywhere from 5am PDT to 9am. I've been hoping and expecting to see both of these routes announced sooner rather than later -- IND is pretty much one of the largest un-served markets from both SEA and SAN -- and I would expect to see it announced either by AS or by WN.

And speaking of WN, they are extending their schedules on Aug 4 for the March/April 2017 period...

Either way, I hope the IND announcement involves SAN!

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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Sun Jul 31, 2016 7:35 pm

I looked and I couldn't find an announcement for west coast service that was announced extremely early Pacific time. The reference to business markets (plural) would lead me to believe it would be a flight to a hub city which would be Seattle. In that case AS would make sense. Unless of course they have connections in SAN in which case that would work too. I just don't see it being RDU. Honestly, it would be a bad addition. There just isn't the demand for it and you would have the economic development corp coming out for it. If this isn't some kind of marketing nonsense and is actually a flight it would mean there was likely some money behind it. That again would not be the case for RDU. If this isn't a gimmick then it will likely be a currently unserved city out of IND.
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Sun Jul 31, 2016 9:48 pm

Indy wrote:
I looked and I couldn't find an announcement for west coast service that was announced extremely early Pacific time. The reference to business markets (plural) would lead me to believe it would be a flight to a hub city which would be Seattle. In that case AS would make sense. Unless of course they have connections in SAN in which case that would work too. If this isn't a gimmick then it will likely be a currently unserved city out of IND.

Hey Indy, it's been a while.

Of the last 10 new route announcements by AS, going back to May, 4 of the PRs were issued at 5am PDT, and 2 were at 8a. (And the other 4 were announced at 3pm.) They tend to follow a pattern that seems to work well for the airline. IMO, it's quite possible that AS could issue a presser at 5a on Aug 3 (8am IND time), just an hour and a half before IND has their announcement...

The fact that the pre-announcement could imply "business markets" (plural) again would fit easily with AS announcing both SEA and SAN. The traffic numbers between IND and SEA and IND and SAN are very similar; SEA is more seasonal than SAN (one of 2 AS focus cities) -- which is very consistent throughout the year -- and SEA (AS's main hub) would certainly have more connecting traffic than SAN. I would like to think that if AS is going to start serving IND, they will do it from both cities!

I really don't know if WN would allow/want a city beating the carrier's own announcement by a day. If this were WN, I would expect IND to have waited 'til the 4th...

In any case, it sounds like this is a fairly big deal for the airport to call a presser (or do they routinely do this?) I hope it will include SAN but I realistically understand that the chances are not real high...

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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Mon Aug 01, 2016 12:44 am

Hey SANFan how have you been? If AS has been doing that then it could very well be them. Back in February of this year, it was stated in an Inside Indiana Business article that IND was close to landing a high-profile destination. I don't think we've added any such routes since then so this could finally be that destination coming to light. That certainly would make SEA or SAN a possibility. I know MEX had been talked about but no clue if that would be considered a business destination from central Indiana.

I believe recently IND had finalized the new airline incentive program. This could simply be a press conference with involved parties to reveal the incentives being offered by the airport in hopes of attracting new service. I remember reading up on the IAA documents about what was being offered. Then again that incentive program could have sealed the deal on new service. Could it be AS? Maybe DL added SEA. I mean it would be as logical of a choice for them as it would be for AS.

In my opinion it us likely to be DL. They have shown little interest in IND since the merger. Not sure I'd think it would be G4 either. Their frequencies just aren't business friendly. The only airline that appears truly committed to IND right now is WN. They could very well be announcing new service out of IND the day before their new schedules get released. As much as I am not a fan of how they handle boarding or seating, they are the only airline really showing LUV for IND. :-)

As for the airport to call a presser, I assume that is done every time anything gets announced.
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Mon Aug 01, 2016 5:00 pm

So I asked IND about the Wednesday morning announcement. I asked if it was a new flight or something else. Here was their reply...

"You will have to wait and see, but it is definitely something exciting for the Hoosier state!"

I don't trust PR people any further than I can throw them. I remember how clueless they were and how much they hyped the Branson service. Anyone with any clue about the industry knew that would never work. They also make a big deal about valet parking and oil chances. More irrelevant nonsense. I don't care about partnerships or sister cities or any other marketing nonsense.

If it isn't a new destination or a new carrier like JetBlue then it isn't exciting.
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Mon Aug 01, 2016 9:49 pm

Quite interesting indeed-I would love to see Alaska start service to IND-never have flown them but since I'm back in Indiana-I would definitely try them. I would agree that delta does not seem too interested in IND-definitely not like Northwest did. With southwest restarting IND-MDW again (just took that flight last week) anything is possible.
 
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Mon Aug 01, 2016 10:34 pm

With the Economic Development involvement, could it be an announcement of revenue guarantees for a trans-atlantic non-stop?
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Mon Aug 01, 2016 11:11 pm

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With the Economic Development involvement, could it be an announcement of revenue guarantees for a trans-atlantic non-stop?


When I see "provide the Indianapolis business community with greater access to key business markets" and the IAA tells me it is definitely going to be something exciting for the Hoosier state tells me that LHR could be a very real possibility. Would you label SAN or SEA as exciting for the state?
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Mon Aug 01, 2016 11:36 pm

Maybe it's Eastern Airlines starting scheduled service from IND :D
 
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Tue Aug 02, 2016 12:29 am

In the back of my mind will always be that Branson Air fiasco and how the IAA hyped that nonsense service. In case you missed it, that flight ended shortly after it started.
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Tue Aug 02, 2016 2:23 am

Press releases are timed for two things-

1) PR Newswire rush for the morning push to newsroom distribution list
2) Stock markets. New announcements, expansions, business increases, etc etc all good to help push the stock price up throughout the day. Markets open at 9:30 eastern, companies usually like any potential market moving news out by 8:00 am.

Also, the Allegiant spokesperson is speculation. But I have a large amount of spokespeople from all types of various companies, including airlines on the follow, and let's just say their "travels" and new announcements always pair up.
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Tue Aug 02, 2016 3:09 am

So which spokesperson is going to be in IND. I feel pretty confident the route will not be RDU. A 2nd carrier serving a relatively low demand market is not something the Hoosier state will be excited about.
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Tue Aug 02, 2016 7:19 am

stlgph wrote:
2) Stock markets. New announcements, expansions, business increases, etc etc all good to help push the stock price up throughout the day. Markets open at 9:30 eastern, companies usually like any potential market moving news out by 8:00 am.


When BA announced service between LHR and SJC they made the announcement between 9:00 and 9:30 AM Pacific Time. I am not suggesting this is a BA announcement however that information may be useful to someone here.

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