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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Tue Aug 02, 2016 5:22 pm

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When BA announced service between LHR and SJC they made the announcement between 9:00 and 9:30 AM Pacific Time. I am not suggesting this is a BA announcement however that information may be useful to someone here.


Here is another fun fact. That morning announcement of SJC-LHR was made on a Wednesday morning in August. Same month. Same day of the week. Same time of day.
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Wed Aug 03, 2016 12:38 pm

Well??? Where is the announcement?
 
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Wed Aug 03, 2016 1:28 pm

The announcement is in 2 minutes. Don't let it be something stupid like Vision Air lol.
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Wed Aug 03, 2016 1:31 pm

Alaska Air service to Seattle.

For a route centered around business, it is a very unfriendly departure time. Service starts May 11th based on availability on Alaska's website. Flight #767 leaving IND at 610pm and arriving in Seattle at 7:59pm. The SEA-IND flight is #768 leaving SEA at 9:55am and arriving in IND at 5:10pm. Service is on the 737-800.
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Wed Aug 03, 2016 1:51 pm

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Alaska Air service to Seattle.

For a route centered around business, it is a very unfriendly departure time. Service starts May 11th based on availability on Alaska's website. Flight #767 leaving IND at 610pm and arriving in Seattle at 7:59pm. The SEA-IND flight is #768 leaving SEA at 9:55am and arriving in IND at 5:10pm. Service is on the 737-800.

Oh well. Congrats to IND on getting a new carrier!

These times are typical for standard SEA-centric business flights on AS, as well as allowing multiple connections over SEA.

Needless to say, I'm somewhat disappointed with the limited scope of the news but, again, good for IND!

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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Wed Aug 03, 2016 1:55 pm

Still waiting on San Diego service. Who knows. Maybe AS runs that route in the future. Is it normal for AS to announce a route that far out? I would have thought that domestic service would have started in about 3 months or so.
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Wed Aug 03, 2016 1:56 pm

And the presser from AS is now out: http://splash.alaskasworld.com/Newsroom ... 064543.asp

Service from SEA to IND and to ICT next year.

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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Wed Aug 03, 2016 2:02 pm

And here I had hope an international flight to Europe was going to happen-although it was a long shot. Finally got my passport and would like to use it :D
 
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Wed Aug 03, 2016 2:03 pm

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Is it normal for AS to announce a route that far out? I would have thought that domestic service would have started in about 3 months or so.

AAG has been making announcements farther out lately (surprisingly.) They've already announced 5 new routes beginning in 2017, going back to mid-May 2016!

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Still waiting on San Diego service. Who knows. Maybe AS runs that route in the future.

Or WN (but no announcement tomorrow...)

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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Wed Aug 03, 2016 3:50 pm

Nice add by AS! Glad that they beat WN to it. More competition and a new carrier.

Not anytime soon but in the future I would love to see AS/VX add SAN, SFO to IND unless WN does first.
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Fri Aug 12, 2016 2:11 am

New article out about IND pursuing more nonstops. Really nothing new that us airline geeks don't speculate on. Also states that AS will be receiving up to $855,000 over two years for the new nonstop to SEA.
http://www.wthr.com/article/indianapoli ... stinations

Here are the top two markets from the article and my 2 cents
SAN - Obvious choice and wouldn't be surprised to see within a year. AS or WN only logic adds
PDX - A stretch in the near future but if SEA does well could see this being added

Other markets mentioned
SNA - Definitely possible, WN only makes sense
AUS - Possible, G4 multi weekly seems most likely, maybe WN
SAT - Same as AUS.
SJC - Don't see this anytime soon. Would see UA with more frequencies or AS/VX from SFO or maybe WN from OAK
JAX - This is already served by G4, so more frequencies?
SMF - Not for a long time
BDL - Maybe on OneJet or similar operation
PVD - Same as BDL
PBI - Don't see it unless G4 makes it a larger "destination"
ONT - Not for a long time and not before SNA

International markets
LHR - Already discussed a lot but could happen soon or not. BA, maybe AA.
FRA - Could Condor try it? Dont think Lufthansa would.
SJU - Saturday only could easily work. WN or DL could be possible
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Fri Aug 12, 2016 4:21 pm

Surprisingly in SBN's case: SBN's number one business market SBN-NYC is covered by UA. Number 2 market Orlando covered by G4. Number 3 market is the DFW area presently not covered and SBN's number 4 market is AUS/SAT and it is not covered.
 
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Mon Aug 15, 2016 6:44 pm

AA is upgrading FWA DFW to CR9s effective 11/04. Schedule is as follows:

FWA-DFW 5796 800A 953A CR9
OPERATED BY MESA AIRLINES

FWA-DFW 5799 413P 559P CR9
OPERATED BY MESA AIRLINES

DFW-FWA 5750 1215P 331P CR9
OPERATED BY MESA AIRLINES

DFW-FWA 5793 635P 948P CR9
OPERATED BY MESA AIRLINES
 
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Mon Aug 15, 2016 9:42 pm

crazytoaster wrote:
New article out about IND pursuing more nonstops. Really nothing new that us airline geeks don't speculate on. Also states that AS will be receiving up to $855,000 over two years for the new nonstop to SEA. http://www.wthr.com/article/indianapoli ... stinations
Here are the top two markets from the article and my 2 cents
SAN - Obvious choice and wouldn't be surprised to see within a year. AS or WN only logic adds
PDX - A stretch in the near future but if SEA does well could see this being added.

I would think that even part of that amount of $$ should entice AS to grab IND-SAN fairly quickly. As I've posted earlier, the traffic numbers (according to DOT's Table 6) between IND and SAN and between IND and SEA are very similar (that's O&D traffic) and both routes should be successful based just on the local traffic carried. SEA of course will also pick up lots of connecting pax for AS, while SAN would prolly see some but not nearly as many.

Now that AAG has started the ball rolling at IND, adding another flight/destination or two would require minimal effort and investment.

I agree that IND-PDX would be unlikely for a while as the traffic on that route is considerably less than the other 2 cities. AS undoubtedly has lower hanging fruit available for network expansion at this time. Of course AAG could use the E175 on such a route, which would probably be successful IF people will fly on it that distance/duration, ~4:15 flight, about half an hour longer than the existing PDX-STL flight...)

Subject, of course, to availability of a/c at AAG next year, I too, wouldn't be real surprised to see AS begin flying IND-SAN in 2017! I hope to see that happen!

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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Mon Aug 15, 2016 10:00 pm

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AA is upgrading FWA DFW to CR9s effective 11/04. Schedule is as follows:

FWA-DFW 5796 800A 953A CR9
OPERATED BY MESA AIRLINES

FWA-DFW 5799 413P 559P CR9
OPERATED BY MESA AIRLINES

DFW-FWA 5750 1215P 331P CR9
OPERATED BY MESA AIRLINES

DFW-FWA 5793 635P 948P CR9
OPERATED BY MESA AIRLINES


And so the invasion of the regularly scheduled two-class RJs at FWA finally begins. I was wondering whether DL or AA would pull the trigger first, and I thought that DL would be first to bite because the OO MX base can now handle the CR7/9. But AA's been up to some very smart moves as of late.

The CR9 is a great fit for FWA-DFW. It provides a first-class section that pax have been pleading for, and I bet it has better economics on that stage length than a ERJ-145. It's also easier on the Envoy folks at FWA because retraining will be less than it would for adding the E175 from FWA (CLT, and sometimes ORD, sees the CR2). As I've flown DTW-DFW in a CR7 before and preferred that over the ER4 that AA flies on FWA-DFW, I think that AA's loyal FWA pax will be pleasantly surprised by the switch to a CR9. I wonder if CLT will also make the switch eventually.
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Tue Aug 16, 2016 12:39 am

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Surprisingly in SBN's case: SBN's number one business market SBN-NYC is covered by UA. Number 2 market Orlando covered by G4. Number 3 market is the DFW area presently not covered and SBN's number 4 market is AUS/SAT and it is not covered.


If AA starts SBN-DFW, do you see it on an ER4 (MQ), CR2 (OO), or CR9 (YV, a la FWA)? Mainline on day one ain't going to happen when it took FWA-DFW 16 years to get a jet larger than 50 seats.

I'd say that AA will probably be as conservative as they usually are and send an ER4 or CR2 initially, but probably the ER4 as it has better performance on long thin routes than what pilots call the "Climb Restricted Jet". Remember that SBN's SCASD application for DFW was based on two daily 50-seat jets. And I'd bet that the plan was based on a schedule similar to FWA's current MQ and future YV schedules. If CLT is added as well, it's basically a given that it will be a CR2 because that's what FWA and GRR get to this day.
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Wed Aug 17, 2016 1:55 am

I was thinking about the news story that listed destinations IND was working on. I would love to see FRA but I cannot imagine that happening. What would the airline options be? Lufthansa or Condor. I looked at where Condor flies and it looks like mostly vacation destinations. Doesn't seem to be an airline with the business traveler in mind. That would seem to make IND unlikely for them. Lufthansa? If Lufthansa were to start IND-FRA it would be by far the smallest U.S. market served by the airline from FRA. I know some will say that it wouldn't be LH because of their ORD and DTW service. Honestly that is completely irrelevant. The service would be all about O&D traffic and proximity to other airports is a non issue. The biggest issue will be that IND does not fit the profile of a typical FRA destination for LH.

Could IND have another airline in mind for FRA? If so when which airline? I just don't see the other two airlines happening.
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Wed Aug 17, 2016 2:02 am

AA people were in SBN about a month ago snooping around infrastructure etc. I believe an announcement is coming soon. SBN may also see a bigger one by one of SBN's established carriers in the future and it's not from G4 but with the Customs facility almost completed I can see SBN-CUN on G4 announced for sometime this fall.
 
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:26 am

 
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Mon Aug 22, 2016 6:19 pm

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AA people were in SBN about a month ago snooping around infrastructure etc. I believe an announcement is coming soon. .



Here is a curveball re: AA. How about SBN-DCA? Up until US acquisition, DFW definitely made more sense for AA service. But AA now has a major operation at DCA and from what I can tell in the DOT table 6 reports has higher demand than DFW. Midwest/West Connections would be better probably at DFW, but a flight to DCA could connect to the AA Shuttle to BOS/LGA, two markets in high demand from SBN.
 
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Tue Aug 23, 2016 12:33 am

Quoting capitalflyer Post 266

"Here is a curveball re: AA. How about SBN-DCA? Up until US acquisition, DFW definitely made more sense for AA service. But AA now has a major operation at DCA and from what I can tell in the DOT table 6 reports has higher demand than DFW. Midwest/West Connections would be better probably at DFW, but a flight to DCA could connect to the AA Shuttle to BOS/LGA, two markets in high demand from SBN."

Don't know about this one but SBN averages 60-70 people a day flying to Texas. SBN used to have DCA service back in the old United DC6 and Viscount days. Also the SBN-NYC area is in such high demand that United is going to operate an afternoon RJ flight to EWR from Sept-Dec. This flight will make International connections at EWR. United IMHO also had ulterior motives for adding this flight but I can't divulge the reason right now because it may not come to fruition. Back to AA if they do start service it will probably be 2 daily ERJ flights to DFW and 1 daily CRJ flight to CLT.
 
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Wed Aug 24, 2016 4:10 pm

Delta is again planning to use a combination of Airbus A319/320 and B717-200 and CRJ900 series aircraft for flights in and out of South Bend during the upcoming Notre Dame football home games. They also have B737-800 and 900 series towbars and GSE in SBN so we shall see what they eventually operate in there.
 
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Fri Aug 26, 2016 8:32 am

I am not sure if anyone has been watching IND and some formerly larger cousins, but here are the passenger reports based upon the most recent published number for each:

YTD Traffic (enplaned and deplaned) for each month
-------------------July------------June-------------May
IND-----5,015,215-----4,253,152-----3,444,505
PIT-------------------------3,961,802-----3,186,129
CLE------------------------------------------3,317,049
CVG---3,898,461-----3,269,102-----2,626,243

If someone in 2000 would have told me this would be the case I would have looked at them funny and walked away.
 
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Fri Aug 26, 2016 3:44 pm

atypical wrote:
I am not sure if anyone has been watching IND and some formerly larger cousins, but here are the passenger reports based upon the most recent published number for each:

YTD Traffic (enplaned and deplaned) for each month
-------------------July------------June-------------May
IND-----5,015,215-----4,253,152-----3,444,505
PIT-------------------------3,961,802-----3,186,129
CLE------------------------------------------3,317,049
CVG---3,898,461-----3,269,102-----2,626,243

If someone in 2000 would have told me this would be the case I would have looked at them funny and walked away.


Are you confident those numbers are accurate? Hard to imagine IND being the busiest of the four airports. If my math is correct that also puts IND on pace to finish with about 8.6 million passengers served this year. I believe that may be a record.
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Fri Aug 26, 2016 5:26 pm

Indy wrote:
atypical wrote:
I am not sure if anyone has been watching IND and some formerly larger cousins, but here are the passenger reports based upon the most recent published number for each:

YTD Traffic (enplaned and deplaned) for each month
-------------------July------------June-------------May
IND-----5,015,215-----4,253,152-----3,444,505
PIT-------------------------3,961,802-----3,186,129
CLE------------------------------------------3,317,049
CVG---3,898,461-----3,269,102-----2,626,243

If someone in 2000 would have told me this would be the case I would have looked at them funny and walked away.


Are you confident those numbers are accurate? Hard to imagine IND being the busiest of the four airports. If my math is correct that also puts IND on pace to finish with about 8.6 million passengers served this year. I believe that may be a record.


Finding anything for CLE nearly turned me cross-eyed. I think I got everything correct.

PIT for June: http://www.flypittsburgh.com/passenger- ... gc-in-june
CLE for May: http://www.clevelandairport.com/company/history
CVG Monthly: http://www.cvgairport.com/docs/default- ... ?sfvrsn=12
IND Monthly: http://business.ind.com/admin/uploads/1359/07-2016(July)%20Airline%20Activity%20Report.pdf

IND traffic is 10% up yoy through July. Last year the passengers counts were 2,000 shy of 8 mil. If IND stays 10% up it should end up at 8.8 mil. The record is 8,524,442 in 2006.

I never expected all three airports to be dehubbed (CVG in practice if not name). But even as nonhubs I did not expect this kind of result. I only hope this means Indy is doing very well and not a sign the others aren't.
 
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Fri Aug 26, 2016 5:49 pm

It may be a combination of both. CVG's numbers are absolutely terrible. The DL/NW merger was a disaster for them but I think most of us saw that coming.
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Mon Aug 29, 2016 2:17 pm

FWA is beginning the marketing blitz for EWR service. Both print ads and TV ads say "non-stop to New York so you can go non-stop in New York" - a push for business travelers to save time by using The Friendly Skies's new route. The TV ad features NYC skyline shots and uses the first few seconds of "Hey There Delilah" by the Plain White T's as the soundtrack. As with all FWA ads since late 2006, Asher Agency's Fort Wayne office did the ads.

Also, UA has been very pleased with the advance bookings.
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Wed Aug 31, 2016 9:11 pm

SBN now has the Gate 9 Jetbridge extended and reattached to the now dual use attachment to the new overhead walkway to U.S. Customs and also the main concourse. Crews worked overnight and part of this morning to do it and soon our new FIS will be finished and up and running. The Gate 9 dual use bridge had no power for about two weeks after it was reattached but now has power and Allegiant is back using it.
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Thu Sep 01, 2016 11:16 pm

Notre Dame football season/spotting opportunities is starting for the year. Tomorrow morning Delta will ferry a 767-300 from Atlanta to take the team to Austin. Should land in South Bend around 3:30 pm.
 
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Wed Sep 14, 2016 9:15 pm

Delta is operating a bunch of Airbus A319, A320 and B717 aircraft into SBN this weekend for the Notre Dame vs Michigan State game. Most of the flights are complete full Sunday after the game. All First Class and Economy Comfort seats are full and there are no seats available Sunday on any of the regular RJ flights to ATL and DTW.
 
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Wed Sep 14, 2016 10:12 pm

I am pretty confused, how come one month, IND to DTW sees a lot of capacity and the next month there is only one mainline flight?
 
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Sun Oct 02, 2016 5:00 pm

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freakyrat wrote:
AA people were in SBN about a month ago snooping around infrastructure etc. I believe an announcement is coming soon. .



Here is a curveball re: AA. How about SBN-DCA? Up until US acquisition, DFW definitely made more sense for AA service. But AA now has a major operation at DCA and from what I can tell in the DOT table 6 reports has higher demand than DFW. Midwest/West Connections would be better probably at DFW, but a flight to DCA could connect to the AA Shuttle to BOS/LGA, two markets in high demand from SBN.


Here is another curveball. AA subsidiary Envoy Air is reopening a hub at LGA beginning in 2017 with E145 jets. Might we see SBN-LGA in 2017 from AA?
 
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Mon Oct 10, 2016 1:23 am

More on the new CBP facility in SBN. Airport officials are sounding very confident there will be weekly or biweekly service to Cancun announced very soon by an undisclosed company. Since there are presently no rumors of Allegiant introducing international service I get the impression this will probably someone else.

http://www.southbendtribune.com/news/bu ... 411a1.html
 
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:08 am

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Here is another curveball. AA subsidiary Envoy Air is reopening a hub at LGA beginning in 2017 with E145 jets. Might we see SBN-LGA in 2017 from AA?


I'm surprised either Delta or AA haven't entered the FWA or SBN to LGA market.
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Mon Oct 10, 2016 1:21 pm

atypical wrote:
More on the new CBP facility in SBN. Airport officials are sounding very confident there will be weekly or biweekly service to Cancun announced very soon by an undisclosed company. Since there are presently no rumors of Allegiant introducing international service I get the impression this will probably someone else.

http://www.southbendtribune.com/news/bu ... 411a1.html


The article mentions 15,000 pax within a 60-mile radius of SBN fly to Cancun annually. That should be 2 150-seaters a week :) The facility looks really nice, I can't wait to see it complete.
 
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:34 pm

atypical wrote:
More on the new CBP facility in SBN. Airport officials are sounding very confident there will be weekly or biweekly service to Cancun announced very soon by an undisclosed company. Since there are presently no rumors of Allegiant introducing international service I get the impression this will probably someone else.

http://www.southbendtribune.com/news/bu ... 411a1.html


FWA's working on moving their CBP facility from the Kitty Hawk hub to a space near the Aero Center. While the new facility will be able to handle large passenger jets (currently, it's capped at 28 seats), it's unknown whether it will be able to do so immediately. When it does, I anticipate FWA-CUN for sure and maybe FWA-MBJ or FWA-NAS.

Further into the future as the US-Cuba market opens up, I could see both FWA and SBN benefitting with FWA/SBN-HAV or FWA/SBN-VRA.
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Mon Oct 10, 2016 7:29 pm

FWAERJ wrote:
atypical wrote:
More on the new CBP facility in SBN. Airport officials are sounding very confident there will be weekly or biweekly service to Cancun announced very soon by an undisclosed company. Since there are presently no rumors of Allegiant introducing international service I get the impression this will probably someone else.

http://www.southbendtribune.com/news/bu ... 411a1.html


FWA's working on moving their CBP facility from the Kitty Hawk hub to a space near the Aero Center. While the new facility will be able to handle large passenger jets (currently, it's capped at 28 seats), it's unknown whether it will be able to do so immediately. When it does, I anticipate FWA-CUN for sure and maybe FWA-MBJ or FWA-NAS.

Further into the future as the US-Cuba market opens up, I could see both FWA and SBN benefitting with FWA/SBN-HAV or FWA/SBN-VRA.



Will this new space for FWA's customs facility be integrated into the terminal? I'm wondering if they will hard-stand commercial aircraft.
 
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Mon Oct 10, 2016 7:56 pm

cleared2land wrote:
FWAERJ wrote:
atypical wrote:
More on the new CBP facility in SBN. Airport officials are sounding very confident there will be weekly or biweekly service to Cancun announced very soon by an undisclosed company. Since there are presently no rumors of Allegiant introducing international service I get the impression this will probably someone else.

http://www.southbendtribune.com/news/bu ... 411a1.html


FWA's working on moving their CBP facility from the Kitty Hawk hub to a space near the Aero Center. While the new facility will be able to handle large passenger jets (currently, it's capped at 28 seats), it's unknown whether it will be able to do so immediately. When it does, I anticipate FWA-CUN for sure and maybe FWA-MBJ or FWA-NAS.

Further into the future as the US-Cuba market opens up, I could see both FWA and SBN benefitting with FWA/SBN-HAV or FWA/SBN-VRA.



Will this new space for FWA's customs facility be integrated into the terminal? I'm wondering if they will hard-stand commercial aircraft.


The 2012 master plan had a space in the (expanded) bag claim area that could be walled off for FIS use when needed, and there was an escalator coming down there from an expanded second floor gate area.

But that may or may not be current.

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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Tue Oct 11, 2016 4:43 am

cleared2land wrote:
atypical wrote:
More on the new CBP facility in SBN. Airport officials are sounding very confident there will be weekly or biweekly service to Cancun announced very soon by an undisclosed company. Since there are presently no rumors of Allegiant introducing international service I get the impression this will probably someone else.

http://www.southbendtribune.com/news/bu ... 411a1.html


The article mentions 15,000 pax within a 60-mile radius of SBN fly to Cancun annually. That should be 2 150-seaters a week :) The facility looks really nice, I can't wait to see it complete.


If it is not Allegiant than I would assume it would be Frontier, Spirit or even possibly Sun Country.
 
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Tue Oct 11, 2016 1:58 pm

cleared2land wrote:
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More on the new CBP facility in SBN. Airport officials are sounding very confident there will be weekly or biweekly service to Cancun announced very soon by an undisclosed company. Since there are presently no rumors of Allegiant introducing international service I get the impression this will probably someone else.

http://www.southbendtribune.com/news/bu ... 411a1.html


FWA's working on moving their CBP facility from the Kitty Hawk hub to a space near the Aero Center. While the new facility will be able to handle large passenger jets (currently, it's capped at 28 seats), it's unknown whether it will be able to do so immediately. When it does, I anticipate FWA-CUN for sure and maybe FWA-MBJ or FWA-NAS.

Further into the future as the US-Cuba market opens up, I could see both FWA and SBN benefitting with FWA/SBN-HAV or FWA/SBN-VRA.



Will this new space for FWA's customs facility be integrated into the terminal? I'm wondering if they will hard-stand commercial aircraft.


The new customs facility will not be next to the terminal - it will be next to the Aero Center (FWA's airport-owned FBO) on the west side of the airport.

It will be a lot like IND's old setup where pax deplaned using airstairs (the Aero Center has a few sets), cleared customs, and got bussed to the main terminal. Not the best setup, but a faster way to get international pax flights while consulting studies begin on the terminal expansion (the FWACAA just put out an RFP for them).
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Tue Oct 11, 2016 3:37 pm

FWAERJ wrote:
cleared2land wrote:
FWAERJ wrote:

FWA's working on moving their CBP facility from the Kitty Hawk hub to a space near the Aero Center. While the new facility will be able to handle large passenger jets (currently, it's capped at 28 seats), it's unknown whether it will be able to do so immediately. When it does, I anticipate FWA-CUN for sure and maybe FWA-MBJ or FWA-NAS.

Further into the future as the US-Cuba market opens up, I could see both FWA and SBN benefitting with FWA/SBN-HAV or FWA/SBN-VRA.



Will this new space for FWA's customs facility be integrated into the terminal? I'm wondering if they will hard-stand commercial aircraft.


The new customs facility will not be next to the terminal - it will be next to the Aero Center (FWA's airport-owned FBO) on the west side of the airport.

It will be a lot like IND's old setup where pax deplaned using airstairs (the Aero Center has a few sets), cleared customs, and got bussed to the main terminal. Not the best setup, but a faster way to get international pax flights while consulting studies begin on the terminal expansion (the FWACAA just put out an RFP for them).


Sort of a side note but I wonder if pax at FWA will be bused from customs to the termiinal via the airfield or via the service roads

Also, It sounds like the GA side of SBN's customs facility will have a full-time officer and I'm assuming that the officers that staff the commercial side will be shared, at least initially, with other airports.
 
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:58 am

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Here is another curveball. AA subsidiary Envoy Air is reopening a hub at LGA beginning in 2017 with E145 jets. Might we see SBN-LGA in 2017 from AA?


I'm surprised either Delta or AA haven't entered the FWA or SBN to LGA market.


Delta is thinking about the SBN NYC market. Moving a slew of 50-seat Endeavor Air "Pinnacle" RJ's to JFK and LGA is some sort of a tipoff. It's just that they do not have things quite sorted out yet on this and establishing the crew base etc. You will probably read about any Endeavor air operated flights and new service here on this forum.

United added the seasonal second daily SBN-EWR flight to connect with their last international bank of flights and late night east coast flights and because passenger loads were good on their morning flight. However my feelings are yes this is true however I got to believe they got the wind of Delta possibly planning to enter the market and are protecting their territory.
 
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:31 am

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United added the seasonal second daily SBN-EWR flight to connect with their last international bank of flights and late night east coast flights and because passenger loads were good on their morning flight. However my feelings are yes this is true however I got to believe they got the wind of Delta possibly planning to enter the market and are protecting their territory.



The UA's additional flight is only temporary. It is also for a period that coincides with the ND football season. I think there is that indicates the second NY flight is probably on the margin for full year operations with the increase in loads for football giving UA enough LF to at least make an experiment. The afternoon flight might impact the LF of the early flight and UA would need to see if there is sufficient market to operate both or just one flight and confirm what time of day that flight should be. There are a lot of moving pieces here that UA will need to sort including any aircraft size reallocations and impact on SBN-ORD flights. I believe that the SBN-ORD flight is one of the most cancelled flights pairs in UA's system and maybe fewer ORD flights and more EWR could make better sense for UA. It would be interesting to know what proportions of ORD connections head to cities east of SBN especially the NE and FL.
 
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Thu Oct 13, 2016 12:42 pm

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freakyrat wrote:
United added the seasonal second daily SBN-EWR flight to connect with their last international bank of flights and late night east coast flights and because passenger loads were good on their morning flight. However my feelings are yes this is true however I got to believe they got the wind of Delta possibly planning to enter the market and are protecting their territory.



The UA's additional flight is only temporary. It is also for a period that coincides with the ND football season. I think there is that indicates the second NY flight is probably on the margin for full year operations with the increase in loads for football giving UA enough LF to at least make an experiment. The afternoon flight might impact the LF of the early flight and UA would need to see if there is sufficient market to operate both or just one flight and confirm what time of day that flight should be. There are a lot of moving pieces here that UA will need to sort including any aircraft size reallocations and impact on SBN-ORD flights. I believe that the SBN-ORD flight is one of the most cancelled flights pairs in UA's system and maybe fewer ORD flights and more EWR could make better sense for UA. It would be interesting to know what proportions of ORD connections head to cities east of SBN especially the NE and FL.


I was checking the LF's on these afternoon flights and the flight seems to have higher LF's than the morning flight. I believe that UA is experimenting to see if they could develop enough LF to operate SBN-EWR with a two class E175. My connections with a person who ground crewed these flights was they thought that UA was going to start off with an E175 but they started conservatively with an ExpressJet E145. While F9 served SBN outside of two winter months their loads averaged 118-130 passengers going from SBN-DEN 3 times a week on an Airbus A319 so UA could possibly look to a daily CRJ7 or E175 flight to DEN for connections and also operate fewer ORD flights. Skywest owner of Expressjet has a maintenance base at SBN that is also now equipped to work on all CRj aircraft so we may start to see upguages on all DL morning late evening arrivals and early morning departures out of SBN. DL has also been experimenting this summer in throwing CR7's and CR9's on their afternoon flight to MSP with good results. They have also seasonally used these larger CRJ's on their 1:00 PM flight to DTW which make TATL connections. DL is also looking at a daily flight SBN-JFK to make these connections. Last few quarters DOT traffic reports of popular city pairs out of SBN showed that a large amount of passengers connecting in DTW and EWR were going to Boston so armed with the data if AA returns to SBN besides two daily flights to DFW may they just throw in a daily SBN-DCA RJ flight to connect with the Boston Shuttle? I personally believe that with the move of 50 Endeavor Air CRj's in the mix at JFK and LGA that SBN-JFK on Delta is just a matter of when. What I understand is that Delta wants this flight for TATL connections and is just trying to figure out what time of day and other logistics for it. Delta also is running such high LF's on the two morning CRJ flights to ATL the local Delta folks said it would make more sense to offer First Class seating and combine the flights into one B717 mainline flight but with the Skywest maintenance base those flights are used to reposition aircraft out of maintenance. Now with the CBP facility about to open and thoughts regarding seasonably SBN-CUN service twice a week, my bet is on F9 operating it as a tag DEN-SBN-CUN and CUN-SBN-DEN and here is why: Gate 9 is dual use, SBN-DEN was profitable for them but at low yields. They could take a small loss on the SBN-DEN portion that would be used to reposition the aircraft but make up the money and then some on the Cancun portion. There operating costs are also a lot lower that they were when they operated the DEN service. Air service is a finicky thing so lots of things in flux here.
 
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Thu Oct 13, 2016 7:03 pm

I asked Mike Daigle, SBN's director, and he said that there will be 1 full-time CBP officer on-site daily and they will bring in additional help from regional facilities when they need additional manpower.
 
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Tue Oct 18, 2016 5:29 pm

More info about SBN's new CBP facility.

Initially the facility will be a classified as a "User Fee Airport" but after it's first year of processing commercial flights it will most likely qualify to be a "Port of Entry". The designation is academic only as the capabilities of both a User Fee Airport and a Port of Entry are indistinguishable. The difference is that a User Fee Airport is financed by the airport/local government and a Port of Entry is financed by Homeland Security. To be a Port of Entry an airport must have at least 300,000 people living within 70 miles of the airport and either 15,000 international passengers OR 2,000 scheduled international arrivals. SBN has the population requirement and should have the 15,000 pax requirement.
 
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Wed Oct 26, 2016 11:28 pm

Looks like the WNDU SBN Webcam camera has been raised up to take Gate 9 out of the picture. Probably something to do with US Customs rules on filming the FIS area. Same as the rule of having cell phones turned off upon entering the FIS areas.
 
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Tue Nov 01, 2016 1:17 pm

WN added 1 weekly IND - MSY starting in March. Sunday only.

It will compete with G4 on the nonstop.
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Fri Nov 04, 2016 9:38 pm

Good news for pilots an announcement will be forthcoming very soon concerning the opening of the US Customs General Aviation Facility at SBN.
 
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Re: Indiana Aviation: Part 16

Sat Nov 05, 2016 7:44 am

FedEx is planning to spend $170 million to upgrade "package-sorting capacity" at IND between 2017 and 2020. This is at least a mechanical upgrade but no mention of increasing the facility size. 200 additional full time employees as a result.

http://www.ibj.com/articles/60329-fedex ... irport-hub

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