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The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Sun Jun 12, 2016 8:27 am

Please continue to post your updates and your discussion here.

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The Rest Of Ohio, Part 4 (by KarelXWB Jan 18 2016 in Civil Aviation)
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Sun Jun 12, 2016 11:49 am

As I posted in the old thread yesterday, AA will be beginning flights from ORD to CAK this fall. Flights are now available for purchase. The first flight will be October 6 with an ERJ45. This also coincides with the second daily flight to LGA. Will AA end up being the largest carrier at CAK or will DL move into number 1, with WN's drawdown?
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Sun Jun 12, 2016 2:17 pm

Quoting lakeeffect (Reply 1):

Fares for AA CAK-ORD seem extremely steep. Throughout October I see fares starting at $600+ one way.
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Sun Jun 12, 2016 3:42 pm

Welcome to v5.0 of this thread and thanks to everyone for participating so far! If you're just discovering it, these thread cover CMH, LCK, ILN, CVG, DAY, TOL, CAK, YNG, and PKB, with the addition of HTS, which we adopted in the last thread. In other words, all Ohio (and Ohio-adjacent) airports except CLE, which has its own dedicated thread you can find here (though it's reaching 200 posts itself and will probably have a new thread soon): What's Going In CLE - Part 13 (by KarelXWB Mar 3 2016 in Civil Aviation)

Updates since the start of the last thread I can remember off the top of my head:

CMH- F9 CMH-DEN/LAS/PHL under way, CMH-MCO starts in four days. DL ran mainline on CMH-MCO in March. The London saga is still the great mystery...is it AA, BA, or Norwegian (or nobody)? A Columbus Dispatch reporter on Twitter indicated CRAA seems to think B6's return is a matter of time and that AS may start in the future. Republic just laid off 160 mechanics.

LCK- G4 LCK-JAX started in May. Still surprised they haven't added IWA or LAS.

CVG- OneJet just announced service to PIT. (I know I'm missing stuff here.)

DAY- G4 under way with DAY-PIE and -SFB, replacing WN's service. WN purged everything, but added MDW 3x/day. PSA is in the process of building a new hangar which will be able to hold 6 CR9s at capacity.

ILN- Back from the dead. Amazon was the client for Project Aerosmith (to nobody's surprise) and Amazon is ramping up its efforts with now 20 ABX 767s for its own airline.

TOL- Nothing new, but I guess passenger counts are trending upward.

CAK- AA just announced CAK-ORD. WN dumped a bunch of their routes but still have ATL and seasonal MCO.

YNG- Aerodynamics dba Great Lakes launched YNG-ORD on ERJs.

PKB and HTS?
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Mon Jun 13, 2016 3:59 pm

CMH:

1. AA / BA - since International gate is in C Terminal, and AA operates in B, would it be feasible to create a link between B & C without having to rescreen? Also, if BA, does it go LHR or LGW?

2. B6 - where would they serve? And what gate(s) do they use?

3. AS - just to/from SEA?, or do they add PDX and/or other city?

4. NK, or other carrier - thoughts?
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Mon Jun 13, 2016 6:20 pm

Quoting YNGguins (Reply 2):
Fares for AA CAK-ORD seem extremely steep. Throughout October I see fares starting at $600+ one way.

Ubited at CAK had been able to command a premium over CLE in the past. They took CAK from 3x to 5x, and must be doing well at it if AA is jumping back in. That's a lot of seats to ORD. WN couldn't make MDW work.
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Mon Jun 13, 2016 11:20 pm

*Update* TOL & CMH

Airport - Latest Month - YTD Enplaned -YTD Deplaned - YTD Total - YTD Change

CAK - Mar - 177,981 - 173,229 - 351,210 - 0.00%
CMH - Apr - 1,089,738 - 1,103,545 - 2,193,283 - 7.28%
CLE - Feb - 594,284 - 588,167 - 1,182,451 - 11.64%
DAY - Apr - 319,799 - N/A - N/A - N/A
CVG - Apr - 1,000,035 - 1,007,786 - 2,007,821 - 8.24%
LCK - Mar - N/A - N/A - 42,822 - 26.55%
TOL - Apr - 30,946 - 31,256 - 62,202 - (10.73%)
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Wed Jun 15, 2016 2:43 am

CMH has officially been re-named John Glenn Columbus International Airport.

...saved draft instead of "Submit". I hate this new layout.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Wed Jun 15, 2016 5:59 am

DeltaRules wrote:
TOL- Nothing new, but I guess passenger counts are trending upward.


G4 began nonstop TOL-MYR flights on 03JUN:

http://www.toledoblade.com/business/201 ... Beach.html
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CVG- OneJet just announced service to PIT. (I know I'm missing stuff here.)


PSA also has a new hangar under construction in CVG which, I believe, is going to be about the same size as the one in DAY. DHL is also in the process of growing their footprint at CVG.
 
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Re: RE: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Wed Jun 15, 2016 8:35 am

CMHMarc787 wrote:
CMH:

1. AA / BA - since International gate is in C Terminal, and AA operates in B, would it be feasible to create a link between B & C without having to rescreen? Also, if BA, does it go LHR or LGW?



I don't think a link would be needed they could depart from B but arrive a C46 (I think it is) and do Int'l arrivals downstairs.
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Re: RE: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Wed Jun 15, 2016 6:19 pm

CMHMarc787 wrote:
2. B6 - where would they serve? And what gate(s) do they use?


If it follows the pattern of other nearby started/restarted markets (CLE, BNA), I'd say BOS and FLL. I'd wondered about JFK and/or MCO before, but I wonder if MCO's chances are done with WN, DL, and now F9 on the route. As I've said before, it surprises me that there's only one airline with one flight running daily service to FLL (WN) and it's sometimes seasonal. Might be Southbound connection opportunites aplenty for either B6 or NK if they tried it.

From what I can tell, the remaining open gates are A1, B36, and C46-49, with A1, B36, and C48 with no jetway. They had 49 and 50 the first time around and Delta currently uses 50 a couple times a day.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Wed Jun 15, 2016 7:48 pm

B4REAL wrote:
by B4REAL » 15 Jun 2016 08:35
CMHMarc787 wrote:
CMH:

1. AA / BA - since International gate is in C Terminal, and AA operates in B, would it be feasible to create a link between B & C without having to rescreen? Also, if BA, does it go LHR or LGW?



I don't think a link would be needed they could depart from B but arrive a C46 (I think it is) and do Int'l arrivals downstairs.


A link would not be necessary as any connecting passengers arriving from LHR/LGW would have to be rescreened by TSA regardless of final destination once they have cleared customs. Even if CBP facilities were located in B, connecting passengers would still have to exit to the non-sterile area and proceed back upstairs to go through TSA screening.

In regards to securing nonstop transoceanic service, I hope the CRAA is looking at all possible options as well as BA to LHR. In light of recently announced Condor service to AUS, MSY, and SAN; maybe we should discuss what other opportunities exist:

Condor/Thomas Cook to FRA/MAN or STN: the airlines' seasonal schedule and holiday focus could play well to the seasonal European market from Central Ohio - a schedule similar to MSY would probably be best though 3x weekly would be optimal. FRA allows for connections throughout Europe and beyond while MT to MAN or STN would tap into the larger O&D to the British Isles. The only problem is neither would cater much to business traffic. Also MT's A332s/763s would probably be too much plane for the market and DE's 763s might have too much of a premium product with 30+ business class seats to fill.

Aer Lingus: their upcoming 757 service to BDL, if successful, could provide opportunity to CMH. As has been stated time and time again, the 757 seems to be the most optimal aircraft for a long, thin, transatlantic route. SNN/DUB-CMH would be pre-cleared, which means the aircraft would arrive as a domestic flight, making the experience easier stateside. While SNN/DUB don't have the O&D of LON, flights could definitely be marketed towards onward connections there and beyond, especially with access to London-City via DUB. A 4x weekly schedule would be optimal.

Icelandair: again, the 757 plays well to bringing their service to CMH. While O&D to Reykjavik is likely non-existent, the tourist market to Iceland is booming and the service would likely grow that market from Ohio somewhat. What Icelandair excels at is onward connections. Their price points would also likely fare well in the Central Ohio market. Again, a seasonal 4x weekly schedule would probably be optimal.

Norwegian: a recent possible contender in the mid-market US --> Europe market. Currently no markets outside major US destinations have been announced, but CMH could be an opportunity for them to provide such a service. Again, actual O&D to their traditional bases of OSL, CPH, and ARN is non-existent, but if they were successful in starting service to their LGW base from CMH, there might be quite a bit more opportunity there. Assuming their could secure LGW, a 3-5x weekly schedule could work, depending on the season. Onward connections would also be possible, but not to the same ease or extent as AA, BA, or EI.

Outside the box: AirTransat does well with seasonal services from major Canadian destinations to Paris-Orly, maybe they could take advantage of the Open Skies agreement and fly CMH-ORY. Though their widebody fleet has quite a substantial amount of seats for the market. TUI/Jetairfly would be another low fare operator that could bridge CMH with Europe via AMS or BRU. Their North American network is relegated mainly to warm weather destinations, so such service would be new to them. Plus their aircraft seat 300 which would be tough to fill.

Any other guesses or expansion on the above-mentioned possibilities?
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Wed Jun 15, 2016 8:40 pm

ILN is indeed back from the dead! Soon we will have more daily heavy departures than most other airports in the state. :D
 
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Re: RE: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Wed Jun 15, 2016 8:48 pm

AirportRival wrote:
*Update* TOL & CMH

Airport - Latest Month - YTD Enplaned -YTD Deplaned - YTD Total - YTD Change

CAK - Mar - 177,981 - 173,229 - 351,210 - 0.00%
CMH - Apr - 1,089,738 - 1,103,545 - 2,193,283 - 7.28%
CLE - Feb - 594,284 - 588,167 - 1,182,451 - 11.64%
DAY - Apr - 319,799 - N/A - N/A - N/A
CVG - Apr - 1,000,035 - 1,007,786 - 2,007,821 - 8.24%
LCK - Mar - N/A - N/A - 42,822 - 26.55%
TOL - Apr - 30,946 - 31,256 - 62,202 - (10.73%)


I'm surprised that WN cut back on the flights at DAY they way they did. FL had huge success there with the non stops to MCO and TPA.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Wed Jun 15, 2016 10:03 pm

flyCMH wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:

PSA also has a new hangar under construction in CVG which, I believe, is going to be about the same size as the one in DAY. DHL is also in the process of growing their footprint at CVG.


PSA actually took over a hangar that is already built. I forget who was in it before but it is a big one.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Wed Jun 15, 2016 10:59 pm

I won't be surprised at all if London service, if it happens, is flown by Norwegian. They seem willing to gamble and, if I remember right, indicated interest in starting new service to cities "near Chicago".

Icelandair is another interesting possibility.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Thu Jun 16, 2016 5:22 am

*Update* CVG May numbers, up a very nice 10.09% for May.

Airport - Latest Month - YTD Enplaned -YTD Deplaned - YTD Total - YTD Change

CAK - Mar - 177,981 - 173,229 - 351,210 - 0.00%
CMH - Apr - 1,089,738 - 1,103,545 - 2,193,283 - 7.28%
CLE - Feb - 594,284 - 588,167 - 1,182,451 - 11.64%
DAY - Apr - 319,799 - N/A - N/A - N/A
CVG - May - 1,312,648 - 1,313,595 - 2,626,243 - 8.67%
LCK - Mar - N/A - N/A - 42,822 - 26.55%
TOL - Apr - 30,946 - 31,256 - 62,202 - (10.73%)


flyCMH wrote:
B4REAL wrote:
by B4REAL » 15 Jun 2016 08:35
CMHMarc787 wrote:
CMH:

1. AA / BA - since International gate is in C Terminal, and AA operates in B, would it be feasible to create a link between B & C without having to rescreen? Also, if BA, does it go LHR or LGW?



I don't think a link would be needed they could depart from B but arrive a C46 (I think it is) and do Int'l arrivals downstairs.


A link would not be necessary as any connecting passengers arriving from LHR/LGW would have to be rescreened by TSA regardless of final destination once they have cleared customs. Even if CBP facilities were located in B, connecting passengers would still have to exit to the non-sterile area and proceed back upstairs to go through TSA screening.

In regards to securing nonstop transoceanic service, I hope the CRAA is looking at all possible options as well as BA to LHR. In light of recently announced Condor service to AUS, MSY, and SAN; maybe we should discuss what other opportunities exist:

Condor/Thomas Cook to FRA/MAN or STN: the airlines' seasonal schedule and holiday focus could play well to the seasonal European market from Central Ohio - a schedule similar to MSY would probably be best though 3x weekly would be optimal. FRA allows for connections throughout Europe and beyond while MT to MAN or STN would tap into the larger O&D to the British Isles. The only problem is neither would cater much to business traffic. Also MT's A332s/763s would probably be too much plane for the market and DE's 763s might have too much of a premium product with 30+ business class seats to fill.

Aer Lingus: their upcoming 757 service to BDL, if successful, could provide opportunity to CMH. As has been stated time and time again, the 757 seems to be the most optimal aircraft for a long, thin, transatlantic route. SNN/DUB-CMH would be pre-cleared, which means the aircraft would arrive as a domestic flight, making the experience easier stateside. While SNN/DUB don't have the O&D of LON, flights could definitely be marketed towards onward connections there and beyond, especially with access to London-City via DUB. A 4x weekly schedule would be optimal.

Icelandair: again, the 757 plays well to bringing their service to CMH. While O&D to Reykjavik is likely non-existent, the tourist market to Iceland is booming and the service would likely grow that market from Ohio somewhat. What Icelandair excels at is onward connections. Their price points would also likely fare well in the Central Ohio market. Again, a seasonal 4x weekly schedule would probably be optimal.

Norwegian: a recent possible contender in the mid-market US --> Europe market. Currently no markets outside major US destinations have been announced, but CMH could be an opportunity for them to provide such a service. Again, actual O&D to their traditional bases of OSL, CPH, and ARN is non-existent, but if they were successful in starting service to their LGW base from CMH, there might be quite a bit more opportunity there. Assuming their could secure LGW, a 3-5x weekly schedule could work, depending on the season. Onward connections would also be possible, but not to the same ease or extent as AA, BA, or EI.

Outside the box: AirTransat does well with seasonal services from major Canadian destinations to Paris-Orly, maybe they could take advantage of the Open Skies agreement and fly CMH-ORY. Though their widebody fleet has quite a substantial amount of seats for the market. TUI/Jetairfly would be another low fare operator that could bridge CMH with Europe via AMS or BRU. Their North American network is relegated mainly to warm weather destinations, so such service would be new to them. Plus their aircraft seat 300 which would be tough to fill.

Any other guesses or expansion on the above-mentioned possibilities?


I honestly think CMH's best chance for TATL lies with BA, DL or AA. DE is a decent possibility as they actually have been expanding into some interesting US markets as of late, but they'll also likely be just seasonal 2x weekly.

Icelandair I believe is too far out of left field. They haven't been venturing into mid-sized metros and, while they do offer competitive fares, they wouldn't really bring much to the table--except for those keen to visit Iceland--seeing as they could only offer a one-stop option to Europe, which every US carrier currently offers from CMH.

Aer Lingus does have a good hub with connections at DUB...but CMH-DUB would lack a solid O&D component, and I'm not sure we'll see EI move beyond New England even with the 757's.

BA/AA and DL actually have been expanding into new, smaller US markets, and LHR and CDG are the top O&D destinations in Europe and have the strongest case for CMH TATL service and the best chance for success in my view. I think the only hypothetical obstacle for DL would be possibly moving some traffic away from CVG-CDG (though I'm not sure to what extent, if any, Columbus-area travelers use that service...so it may not be a concern at all).


ILNFlyer wrote:
I'm surprised that WN cut back on the flights at DAY they way they did. FL had huge success there with the non stops to MCO and TPA.


I don't think it's all that surprising honestly when you consider that a lot of that success was dependent on drive traffic from CVG. I have no data to support this, but WN seems to also have higher average fares than did FL...so the combination of the proliferation of ULCC's in DAY's catchment area combined with potentially higher WN fares has hurt them in my view.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Sat Jun 18, 2016 7:38 pm

Looks like F9 had two airplanes on the ground at once on Thursday, one of which being the A321 on the MCO inaugural. Anybody know what happened?
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Tue Jun 21, 2016 3:56 am

Not sure if this was mentioned already in a previous thread or not, but I found some interesting details in the CRAA board minutes from April regarding potential new/expanded service by international carriers at either CMH or LCK:

Air Cargo staff members David Whitaker and Bryan Schreiber are currently in Japan on the last leg of a three country trip focused on cargo and passenger service. In Dubai they met with several freight forwarders focused on the Middle East, Africa and Southeast Asia cargo movements which is easily routed over Dubai to Columbus on our Emirates service. They also met with senior management from Emirates SkyCargo and we are pleased to report they are very happy with their Rickenbacker service and are strongly considering adding a third weekly frequency beginning next month. Whitaker and Schreiber also made an introductory passenger presentation to Emirates who is eager to learn everything they can about the markets they serve.

In Shanghai, Dave and Bryan met with key freight forwarders that serve a broad area of China. They were focused on charter flights which are different from scheduled service. Charters are a regular part of the air freight business with new product launches, recalls, hot sales items and supply chain disruptions, among other purposes. We are positioning ourselves to be the charter destination of choice for the eastern half of the United States and are making good inroads in that regard. Chicago is primarily the current charter destination of choice for the eastern half of the US.

In Japan they are meeting with freight forwarders who specialize in the automobile supply chain, particularly, although not exclusively, Honda. Additionally, they met today with All Nippon Airways (ANA) and Japan Airlines (JAL) to advance the passenger discussion with these carriers. Both of these airlines fly the right aircraft for our market and are closely tracking Columbus activity. Tokyo is now rivaling London as our number one international destination outside of North America and is also a hub for other Asian and Indian destinations. Cargo in the belly of these aircraft is a key component of the discussion and adds great value to the equation.


http://columbusairports.com/files/about-us/board-of-directors/board-meeting-minutes/minutes-04-26-16.pdf
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:28 pm

Finally motivated enough to deal with the new design and post! Couple of comments...

1) International: Wouldn't it be pretty interesting for some sort of JAL/AA joint venture to service CMH to be the first significant international service? I have to confess I don't see it happening, however, maybe down the road? I agree that an out-of-the box carrier on CMH to Europe is a possibility.

2) Domestic: As much as it pains me to write this, I think the ship may have sailed for B6 in CMH. As was posted, the logical destinations would be: BOS, FLL, MCO. Well, BOS has WN and DL and I think they would fight B6 pretty hard. FLL has only WN but, if I recall correctly, it is one of the highest yielding routes in the entire WN network. An entry by B6 on that market would probably see WN go to 3X for awhile just to push B6 out. Same with MCO, where you have a ton of competition now with WN and F9 N/S, DL Saturday service and AA as a more logical connection via CLT. ( I think there is an anti over and back sentiment that keeps CMH passengers from doing CMH-MIA-MCO. Point being, there is only so much east-coast flying that CMH can support and I think we may be there.

However, there are places to grow and for that reason, I still wouldn't be shocked at all to see AS as the next entrant into the CMH market. Time will tell, however.

Either way as a newly returned CMH resident, it is nice to see excitement at CMH again.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:37 pm

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[quote="ILNFlyer wrote:
I'm surprised that WN cut back on the flights at DAY they way they did. FL had huge success there with the non stops to MCO and TPA.


I don't think it's all that surprising honestly when you consider that a lot of that success was dependent on drive traffic from CVG. I have no data to support this, but WN seems to also have higher average fares than did FL...so the combination of the proliferation of ULCC's in DAY's catchment area combined with potentially higher WN fares has hurt them in my view.[/quote]

I agree that the ULCC development at CVG is what drove the traffic down. The pax simply had no need to drive to DAY anymore for cheap flights to vacation destinations.

One thing I have never understood is why we developed the airport at CVG instead of in between Dayton and Cincinnati, kind of a mini DFW so to speak. Would have made much more sense on a regional basis, as the two cities continue to grow and develop towards each other.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Tue Jun 21, 2016 1:39 pm

I can't see Japan happening anytime soon, but darn if they aren't actively kicking the tires on it.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Wed Jun 22, 2016 5:00 am

boscmh wrote:
Not sure if this was mentioned already in a previous thread or not, but I found some interesting details in the CRAA board minutes from April regarding potential new/expanded service by international carriers at either CMH or LCK:


Nice find, thanks for sharing.

Glad to see that EK is doing well at LCK. They changed the routing from DWC-CPH-LCK to DWC-AMS-LCK, and there have already been some 3x weekly flights flown.

I've always though the next logical carrier for LCK would Nippon Cargo Airlines. Glad to see the CRAA representatives seeking such service to the Japanese market and beyond.

More charter cargo sounds like a good way to drum up additional business. LCK still gets the occasional Atlas or Kalitta 747 from Anchorage, but more such flights would certainly be welcome.

As far as passenger flights to Asia are concerned, as mentioned it is definitely still a long shot. Yes the 788 makes the possibility of such service slightly more feasible, but that doesn't mean an airline is going to go ahead and serve such a route. The belly cargo argument does make it a bit more compelling, but still, butts need to be in the seats and be paying a decent amount for the privilege if such a lofty goal is to become reality.
 
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Thu Jun 23, 2016 4:16 am

Does the combination of belly cargo and whatever traffic may exist on CMH-NRT/HND due to Honda, along with possible onward connections into Asia, create anywhere close to enough incentive for JAL or ANA to give it a shot? I think about the cities that have TPAC service off the top of my head and get SEA, PDX, SFO, SJC, LAX, LAS, DFW, MSP, ORD, DTW, ATL, JFK, IAD, BOS...they're all hubs and/or among the larger cities in America, though the 787 was designed for longer, thinner routes. Who knows?

Came through CMH yesterday and was pleasantly surprised to see F9's counter fairly busy for the PHL and MCO flights. Here's hoping they make it work this time.
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Thu Jun 23, 2016 3:17 pm

"Came through CMH yesterday and was pleasantly surprised to see F9's counter fairly busy for the PHL and MCO flights. Here's hoping they make it work this time."

Delta, FLYCMH and others, what do you guys think will be the first enhancements to F9 at CMH if it does start to work out? I would assume that their four starter cities are just that, a toe in the water so-to-speak. Will it be going to daily frequencies on existing or do you think they will validate their experience here by adding new cities? Also, I have not been paying attention to their aircraft here.. are they still using 321s for the MCO flights?
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Thu Jun 23, 2016 5:25 pm

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One thing I have never understood is why we developed the airport at CVG instead of in between Dayton and Cincinnati, kind of a mini DFW so to speak. Would have made much more sense on a regional basis, as the two cities continue to grow and develop towards each other.


Well, at the time, Cincinnati and Dayton were two very distinct metropolitan areas, so I suppose it just made sense for each city to have it's own airport. Of course politics also played into it as well. I know there are still quite a few Ohioans who can't bear the thought of their airport being in Kentucky...but what's done is done in my opinion.

DeltaRules wrote:
Does the combination of belly cargo and whatever traffic may exist on CMH-NRT/HND due to Honda, along with possible onward connections into Asia, create anywhere close to enough incentive for JAL or ANA to give it a shot? I think about the cities that have TPAC service off the top of my head and get SEA, PDX, SFO, SJC, LAX, LAS, DFW, MSP, ORD, DTW, ATL, JFK, IAD, BOS...they're all hubs and/or among the larger cities in America, though the 787 was designed for longer, thinner routes. Who knows?

Came through CMH yesterday and was pleasantly surprised to see F9's counter fairly busy for the PHL and MCO flights. Here's hoping they make it work this time.


Not to impugn Columbus whatsoever, but if no carrier has expressed serious interest in mid-sized west coast markets, let alone even longer and more expensive-to-operate mid-size east coast markets...what makes Columbus so special when it comes to Asia service? Maybe once we see the likes of JAL/ANA in PHX, SLC, SMF...etc. then maybe a discussion on flights to cities Columbus' size will be more realistic.
 
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Fri Jun 24, 2016 12:21 am

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Not to impugn Columbus whatsoever, but if no carrier has expressed serious interest in mid-sized west coast markets, let alone even longer and more expensive-to-operate mid-size east coast markets...what makes Columbus so special when it comes to Asia service? Maybe once we see the likes of JAL/ANA in PHX, SLC, SMF...etc. then maybe a discussion on flights to cities Columbus' size will be more realistic.


I find it unlikely to happen, but there's one word which makes me believe it has even a slight possibility of starting someday:

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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Fri Jun 24, 2016 8:56 pm

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"Delta, FLYCMH and others, what do you guys think will be the first enhancements to F9 at CMH if it does start to work out?


Well, it looks like CMH-PHL is no longer bookable after October 27. If they really want to be a player on this route (which it seems they do since they keep trying it), they have to make it at least 5x weekly to capture any kind of traffic. Not sure if it'll come back next summer.

The latest F9 schedule release does not show anything else new for CMH. MCO stays 3x weekly, which I would've thought would be the first route to see a schedule increase. LAS and DEN stay at 1x daily. Doesn't look like the best start for an F9 station; hopefully sales pick up for them before pull out #3 happens.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Fri Jun 24, 2016 10:27 pm

flyCMH wrote:
brooklynchris13 wrote:
"Delta, FLYCMH and others, what do you guys think will be the first enhancements to F9 at CMH if it does start to work out?


Well, it looks like CMH-PHL is no longer bookable after October 27. If they really want to be a player on this route (which it seems they do since they keep trying it), they have to make it at least 5x weekly to capture any kind of traffic. Not sure if it'll come back next summer.

The latest F9 schedule release does not show anything else new for CMH. MCO stays 3x weekly, which I would've thought would be the first route to see a schedule increase. LAS and DEN stay at 1x daily. Doesn't look like the best start for an F9 station; hopefully sales pick up for them before pull out #3 happens.


I thought CMH-PHL was always intended to be summer seasonal?

I wouldn't pay much attention to the booking extension in terms of new or expanded routes. It is only a booking extension for the routes already announced or flying. The full winter schedule has not yet been announced.

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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Sun Jun 26, 2016 12:28 pm

*Update* CAK, DAY & TOL May numbers

Airport - Latest Month - YTD Enplaned -YTD Deplaned - YTD Total - YTD Change

CAK - May - 286,966 - 288,245 - 575,211 - (-8.49%)
CMH - Apr - 1,089,738 - 1,103,545 - 2,193,283 - 7.28%
CLE - Feb - 594,284 - 588,167 - 1,182,451 - 11.64%
DAY - May - 416,023 - N/A - N/A - N/A
CVG - May - 1,312,648 - 1,313,595 - 2,626,243 - 8.67%
LCK - Mar - N/A - N/A - 42,822 - 26.55%
TOL - May - 37,331 - 37,846 - 75,177 - (-11.29%)
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Sun Jun 26, 2016 12:36 pm

I've noticed that Delta has bumped some their CVG-JFK and CVG-DFW flying to A319's. I can't tell how frequent it is but I'm seeing it nearly everyday on FR24.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Sun Jun 26, 2016 6:09 pm

AirportRival wrote:
*Update* CAK, DAY & TOL May numbers

Airport - Latest Month - YTD Enplaned -YTD Deplaned - YTD Total - YTD Change

CAK - May - 286,966 - 288,245 - 575,211 - (-8.49%)
CMH - Apr - 1,089,738 - 1,103,545 - 2,193,283 - 7.28%
CLE - Feb - 594,284 - 588,167 - 1,182,451 - 11.64%
DAY - May - 416,023 - N/A - N/A - N/A
CVG - May - 1,312,648 - 1,313,595 - 2,626,243 - 8.67%
LCK - Mar - N/A - N/A - 42,822 - 26.55%
TOL - May - 37,331 - 37,846 - 75,177 - (-11.29%)

I got the YNG numbers to complete your list. These are through May 2016:

YNG - May - 22,425 - 22,723 - 45,148 - (-10.3%) - YNG is down 21 total Allegiant flights thru May vs the same period last year. I expect that number to grow a bit over summer and into the fall. Will be curious to see how the YNG-ORD numbers will look starting in July.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Tue Jun 28, 2016 9:54 am

YNGguins wrote:
AirportRival wrote:
*Update* CAK, DAY & TOL May numbers

Airport - Latest Month - YTD Enplaned -YTD Deplaned - YTD Total - YTD Change

CAK - May - 286,966 - 288,245 - 575,211 - (-8.49%)
CMH - Apr - 1,089,738 - 1,103,545 - 2,193,283 - 7.28%
CLE - Feb - 594,284 - 588,167 - 1,182,451 - 11.64%
DAY - May - 416,023 - N/A - N/A - N/A
CVG - May - 1,312,648 - 1,313,595 - 2,626,243 - 8.67%
LCK - Mar - N/A - N/A - 42,822 - 26.55%
TOL - May - 37,331 - 37,846 - 75,177 - (-11.29%)

I got the YNG numbers to complete your list. These are through May 2016:

YNG - May - 22,425 - 22,723 - 45,148 - (-10.3%) - YNG is down 21 total Allegiant flights thru May vs the same period last year. I expect that number to grow a bit over summer and into the fall. Will be curious to see how the YNG-ORD numbers will look starting in July.


Awesome! Thanks for sharing those.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Tue Jun 28, 2016 9:57 am

Allegiant has just announced that it will be starting CVG - EWR service at four days weekly on Nov, 16. There is no mention of it being seasonal so I'm guessing it's year round. Also they will be extending their seasonal CVG - VPS service to January. Allegiant is becoming quite the carrier at CVG.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:24 pm

AirportRival wrote:
*Update* CAK, DAY & TOL May numbers

Airport - Latest Month - YTD Enplaned -YTD Deplaned - YTD Total - YTD Change

CLE - Feb - 594,284 - 588,167 - 1,182,451 - 11.64%


If you want to update CLE using DoT numbers (DoT omits international and charter passengers which in CLE's case would add about 50,000 to the YTD total):

CLE- Mar - 898,008 - 884,925 - 1,783,013 - up 9.87%
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Tue Jun 28, 2016 7:40 pm

AirportRival wrote:
Allegiant has just announced that it will be starting CVG - EWR service at four days weekly on Nov, 16. There is no mention of it being seasonal so I'm guessing it's year round. Also they will be extending their seasonal CVG - VPS service to January. Allegiant is becoming quite the carrier at CVG.

They certainly are. The region was starved for low-cost service and no one else was making any moves. F9 didn't really start expanding beyond DEN until Allegiant showed up. When the EWR flights start in November, Allegiant will be operating an average of over 7 flights per day.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Tue Jun 28, 2016 8:19 pm

It's amazing- G4's focus cities are sun destinations...and Cincinnati.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Tue Jun 28, 2016 11:34 pm

The full stats aren't up on the website yet, but the Dispatch is reporting CMH traffic for may was up +9.6% y-o-y to 652,145, making it the 2nd busiest may for the airport ever, after 2007 when Skybus was operating.

YTD traffic at CMH is up 7.7%.

Also, at LCK G4 saw traffic increase +36% and cargo airlines posted a +7.4% gain in shipments with Emirates up +1,491% and Cargolux and Cathay Pacific both up near +20%.


http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/business/2016/06/28/port-columbus-passenger-totals.html
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:41 pm

Interesting article about LCK living up to the potential seen in it here: http://aircargoworld.com/rickenbacker-r ... new-spark/

It's one thing to have positive PR from local authorities, but it's more impressive to see someone like the Cathay exec very happy with how things are going there.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:08 am

Great Lakes Jet Express (Aerodynamics, Inc) commences daily service between YNG and ORD tomorrow morning. I plan to head up for some pix. Interlines with American, Delta, and United are available with the new service.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Fri Jul 01, 2016 1:37 am

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Interesting article about LCK living up to the potential seen in it here: http://aircargoworld.com/rickenbacker-r ... new-spark/

It's one thing to have positive PR from local authorities, but it's more impressive to see someone like the Cathay exec very happy with how things are going there.


Agreed.

There's another interesting tidbit in the CRAA board minutes from May that Ethiopian Airines is currently testing/considering LCK as potentially its first cargo destination in the US:

International air cargo activity at Rickenbacker (LCK) took another step forward this past month as Emirates SkyCargo initiated a third weekly frequency from Dubai on May 5. Our Business Development team was recently in Dubai hosted by Emirates and conducted joint business development visits with the airline. At the same time that Emirates was upping their frequency, a potential new entrant was testing the market.

Last Thursday evening (19 May) Ethiopian Airlines flew the first of two test flights for their very first freighter service to the United States. Ethiopian chose Rickenbacker in a partnership with a key freight forwarder, RCS Logistics, which runs a fashion and retail goods transportation hub out of our Air Cargo 4 facility at Rickenbacker. Ethiopian is flying the same state-of-the art Boeing 777 freighters that Emirates SkyCargo operates with a current fleet of six and more on order. We will keep you posted on progress as they refine their schedule and routing.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Fri Jul 01, 2016 4:27 pm

Nonstop service aboard Great Lakes Jet Express commenced this morning between YNG and ORD on the 49-seat ADI Embraer-145. There were 36 pax on the initial flight out, with 37 pax on the flight coming back this hour. Here are some pix from this morning that I've compiled from the web:

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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Thu Jul 07, 2016 1:00 pm

Both DL and WN will add nonstop extra sections to OKC on September 16 for the Buckeyes/Sooners meetup:

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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Thu Jul 07, 2016 4:06 pm

United is resuming mainline service to CVG with an A319 to Denver and Chicago–O'Hare 6x weekly. I know United had mainline service to Chicago fairly recently, but I think mainline to Denver has not been operated for quite some time.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Thu Jul 07, 2016 5:20 pm

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United is resuming mainline service to CVG with an A319 to Denver and Chicago–O'Hare 6x weekly. I know United had mainline service to Chicago fairly recently, but I think mainline to Denver has not been operated for quite some time.


Really? That's awesome! UA was actually the last non-DL legacy airline to fly mainline to CVG (to ORD) which ended 2011/2012 I believe? Hopefully AA will follow suit. Now is the mainline service 6x weekly to both ORD and DEN?
 
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Thu Jul 07, 2016 6:16 pm

Loooking for a more or less direct flight from EU to DAY area. Still only AF to CVG (and maybe SAS) ?
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Thu Jul 07, 2016 7:04 pm

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United is resuming mainline service to CVG with an A319 to Denver and Chicago–O'Hare 6x weekly. I know United had mainline service to Chicago fairly recently, but I think mainline to Denver has not been operated for quite some time.


Really? That's awesome! UA was actually the last non-DL legacy airline to fly mainline to CVG (to ORD) which ended 2011/2012 I believe? Hopefully AA will follow suit. Now is the mainline service 6x weekly to both ORD and DEN?


Both routes are 6x week (only express on Sunday). Currently they are only scheduled through the end on the year, so hopefully it is not seasonal. This was a recent change, so it is very possible they are either testing demand or have not figured out the scheduling for 2017 yet.

I find it suprising AA has not added mainline at CVG, though Delta has kept and even recently expanded a lot of nonstops to AA hubs like Philidelphia (3x Day), JFK (2x Day), LGA (6x Day), Chicago (3x), Charlote (CLT), Los Angeles (2x Day) and Dallas (2x Day). I think there is too much competition on the routes to fill mainline planes, especially with prices being driven down. The only routes I could see AA operating mainline are Dallas, though Frontier operates that route as well, and Miami, which no carrier besides AA serves. Whereas Delta has slashed flights to United hubs in San Francisco (1x Day), Houston (1x Day), Denver (1x Day), Newark (3x Day). I think United's situation in IAH is also freeing up planes to increase capacity in other routes.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Thu Jul 07, 2016 7:12 pm

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PSA also has a new hangar under construction in CVG which, I believe, is going to be about the same size as the one in DAY. DHL is also in the process of growing their footprint at CVG.


PSA actually took over a hangar that is already built. I forget who was in it before but it is a big one.


I believe it is the one south of the Old Comair Headquarters and next to runway 36C by the DHL apron. It was previously operated by PIMCO/TIMCO/HAECO. Not to be confused with the old Comair hangars which are now used by Endeavor air or the huge blue Delta hangar by Concourse A that is used for mainline jets.
 
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Thu Jul 07, 2016 7:40 pm

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United is resuming mainline service to CVG with an A319 to Denver and Chicago–O'Hare 6x weekly. I know United had mainline service to Chicago fairly recently, but I think mainline to Denver has not been operated for quite some time.


It's only seasonal but, like you, I'm excited to see it return.

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Loooking for a more or less direct flight from EU to DAY area. Still only AF to CVG (and maybe SAS) ?


No longer AF but the DL CVG-CDG flight is all you'll find in Ohio, Kentucky, or Indiana.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Sun Jul 10, 2016 3:22 pm

According to this thread, B6 will restart service at ATL in September 2017: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1337407

...which would make the second restarted city for them behind BNA and, even though CMH /= ATL, it makes you wonder what the future might hold for CMH for them. If they're willing to re-enter a market in which they could easily get their lunch eaten by DL (and to a lesser extent, WN)...
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