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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Mon Dec 05, 2016 7:21 pm

The Dispatch today reported that a design firm has been chosen for the new rental car facility to be built as the first component of the new terminal complex:

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories ... enter.html

The JGCIA Facebook page also mentioned that Delta has already added an extra section from CMH to PHX for the Fiesta Bowl. The flight will depart at noon on 30DEC16 and will be operated with a 752. If history is any indication, one can expect extra sections from WN and AA, as well as charters out of both CMH and LCK.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Thu Dec 08, 2016 1:18 am

I was happy to see an An-124 lumbering through the skies of eastern Columbus today while making its way to LCK.

It was apparently a Volga-Dnepr bird coming in from Winnipeg.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Thu Dec 08, 2016 11:40 pm

Looks like a mini Delta Spring/Summer downsizing at CVG:
- DFW from 3x/day to 2-3x/day
- FLL from MD-80 to MD-80/CR9
- MSP from 6x/day to 5x/day (See below)
- RDU from 3x/day to 2x/day
- RSW from 1x/day MD-80 to 1x/wk CR9 (Seasonal Mainline 1x/day still loaded for Spring Break)
- SEA from 752 to 739
- SLC from 2x/day to 1x/day (Back at 2x in Summer, See Below)

These are offset by some gains though:
- ATL from 7x/day to 8x/day
- BOS from CR9/MD-80 to CR9/MD-80/B712
- DEN from CR9 to B712
- DTW from CR2/7/9 to CR9/B712
- MCO from 1x/day to 2-3x/day
- MSP from CR2/7 to CR9
- SLC from A320 to A320/B738/9
- XNA from CR2/7 to CR7/9
- YYZ from 1x/day to 2x/day

I think overall Delta capacity will gain, but the RSW/FLL cuts will put a dent in pax totals. With F9 and G4 on these routes daily, its probably difficult to remain profitable.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Fri Dec 09, 2016 1:42 am

cvgComair wrote:
Looks like a mini Delta Spring/Summer downsizing at CVG:
- DFW from 3x/day to 2-3x/day
- FLL from MD-80 to MD-80/CR9
- MSP from 6x/day to 5x/day (See below)
- RDU from 3x/day to 2x/day
- RSW from 1x/day MD-80 to 1x/wk CR9 (Seasonal Mainline 1x/day still loaded for Spring Break)
- SEA from 752 to 739
- SLC from 2x/day to 1x/day (Back at 2x in Summer, See Below)

These are offset by some gains though:
- ATL from 7x/day to 8x/day
- BOS from CR9/MD-80 to CR9/MD-80/B712
- DEN from CR9 to B712
- DTW from CR2/7/9 to CR9/B712
- MCO from 1x/day to 2-3x/day
- MSP from CR2/7 to CR9
- SLC from A320 to A320/B738/9
- XNA from CR2/7 to CR7/9
- YYZ from 1x/day to 2x/day

I think overall Delta capacity will gain, but the RSW/FLL cuts will put a dent in pax totals. With F9 and G4 on these routes daily, its probably difficult to remain profitable.


Man you keep better track of the happenings at CVG better than I do and I have a spreadsheet full of flight details for next summer.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Fri Dec 09, 2016 6:13 am

cvgComair wrote:
Looks like a mini Delta Spring/Summer downsizing at CVG:
- DFW from 3x/day to 2-3x/day
- FLL from MD-80 to MD-80/CR9
- MSP from 6x/day to 5x/day (See below)
- RDU from 3x/day to 2x/day
- RSW from 1x/day MD-80 to 1x/wk CR9 (Seasonal Mainline 1x/day still loaded for Spring Break)
- SEA from 752 to 739
- SLC from 2x/day to 1x/day (Back at 2x in Summer, See Below)

These are offset by some gains though:
- ATL from 7x/day to 8x/day
- BOS from CR9/MD-80 to CR9/MD-80/B712
- DEN from CR9 to B712
- DTW from CR2/7/9 to CR9/B712
- MCO from 1x/day to 2-3x/day
- MSP from CR2/7 to CR9
- SLC from A320 to A320/B738/9
- XNA from CR2/7 to CR7/9
- YYZ from 1x/day to 2x/day

I think overall Delta capacity will gain, but the RSW/FLL cuts will put a dent in pax totals. With F9 and G4 on these routes daily, its probably difficult to remain profitable.

Thanks for the break-down! I don't believe FLL and RSW are anything new though YOY. I believe DL operated a very similar gauge and frequency to those two market this past summer...a result of the intense competition from F9 and G4.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Fri Dec 09, 2016 10:05 pm

The CMH report detailed in the Dispatch article before was apparently only meant for internal use originally, but copies can be obtained by contacting David Whitaker from CRAA.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Sun Dec 11, 2016 8:13 pm

Add CVG-JFK to the list:
From 2x/day CR9 to 1x/day CR9
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Sun Dec 11, 2016 11:02 pm

A bunch of DL aircraft have been diverted to CVG due to storms in Michigan, including the DTW-NRT flight was diverted to CVG (744!!!) Most of the aircraft were headed for Detroit and Minneapolis, (others were Greensboro, Grand Rapids, Atlanta, Baltimore, Cleveland, Tokyo, Albany, St. Louis, Syracuse, Raleigh/Durham, and Chicago) it looks like the assortment of aircraft has included CRJ's, B712, A320, MD88, MD90, B738, B752, B763, and B744.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Sun Dec 11, 2016 11:34 pm

cvgComair wrote:
Add CVG-JFK to the list:
From 2x/day CR9 to 1x/day CR9


I can't figure out what Delta is doing at CVG. I know they are hiring people for the ramp and cargo and I've heard plenty of rumors that they are gonna add some stuff back but it seems like they insist on keeping things as is with no growth or expansion.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:52 am

Not a big change, but it looks like DL's CMH-CUN will be run with an A320 this year instead of an MD-88.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Wed Dec 14, 2016 2:48 pm

Well, i suppose this isn't the biggest of news, but in doing some trip searching last night it appears that the new CMH-DFW schedule of four daily will be 2xMD80 and 2x319! Very curious to see if these will be LUS or LAA 319s. Anyone have the start date for this? I would assume its similar to the date for the other swaps mentioned previously....
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:54 pm

brooklynchris13 wrote:
Well, i suppose this isn't the biggest of news, but in doing some trip searching last night it appears that the new CMH-DFW schedule of four daily will be 2xMD80 and 2x319! Very curious to see if these will be LUS or LAA 319s. Anyone have the start date for this? I would assume its similar to the date for the other swaps mentioned previously....


It looks like 4xCMH-DFW all on MD-80's starts tomorrow, with the route settling into 2xMD80 and 2x319 in late January/Early February.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Wed Dec 14, 2016 4:24 pm

cvgComair wrote:
brooklynchris13 wrote:
Well, i suppose this isn't the biggest of news, but in doing some trip searching last night it appears that the new CMH-DFW schedule of four daily will be 2xMD80 and 2x319! Very curious to see if these will be LUS or LAA 319s. Anyone have the start date for this? I would assume its similar to the date for the other swaps mentioned previously....


It looks like 4xCMH-DFW all on MD-80's starts tomorrow, with the route settling into 2xMD80 and 2x319 in late January/Early February.


We all knew the day would come when the Mad Dogs (Angry Puppies, according to everyone's favorite ground controller at JFK) would start being phased out here. It will be disappointing to see them fade away.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Wed Dec 14, 2016 6:10 pm

Yes, a rather sad transition indeed. Another item of note, I would think that CMH is the largest AA station that never sees their most ubiquitous aircraft, the 738. Wonder if one of those DFW flights will eventually get upgraded to a 738 if we continue to see the steady increase in growth or if they will just bring back the 5th daily as a 319.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Wed Dec 14, 2016 7:26 pm

ExpressJet is retiring all its CRJ-200's, though it appears this will not directly affect any Ohio airports. Luckily, they do not even operate at CVG, so no direct reductions there. CMH has service from ExpressJet, but not on CR2's. The majority of these aircraft are operating flights from DL hubs at DTW/MSP/LGA, UA hubs at ORD/IAH/EWR, and AA hubs at DFW. Hopefully there are not any routes downgauges in frequency or even discontinued in Ohio in order to shift CRJ-200's to other routes. Aparently they are getting 21 CRJ-700's, but no where close to the 53 being retired. 13 are from AA and 40 are from DL.

Also, I saw on another thread that F9 CLE/CMH/IND-PHL will not be resuming this Spring. CVG-PHL does return on April 21 though.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Wed Dec 14, 2016 8:49 pm

F9 is starting CMH-RSW for 1 month in the spring ( part of March and April). I thought this was an interestingly short seasonal flight. I also thought they might have tried CMH-PGD instead, since WN and DL to a much lesser extent own the market and give Allegiant some competition out if LCK.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Wed Dec 14, 2016 9:28 pm

johnyv wrote:
F9 is starting CMH-RSW for 1 month in the spring ( part of March and April). I thought this was an interestingly short seasonal flight. I also thought they might have tried CMH-PGD instead, since WN and DL to a much lesser extent own the market and give Allegiant some competition out if LCK.


There have been a lot of recent changes on F9's booking engine. It looks like they are testing different things out/putting in a new schedule. Perhaps they are making a route expansion announcement tommorow from Spring/Summer? (They are usually on Thursday). There are some other new routes that others have noticed like PHL-IAH/PBI. It seems like they would make an overall announcment about new routes, routes resuming, and of course routes not resuming.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Thu Dec 15, 2016 11:55 pm

F9 CVG-LAX/SFO are both being upgauged to daily this spring/summer. This is a little shocking given UA's entrance on CVG-SFO, but now both CVG-LAX and CVG-SFO have 3 daily flights consistently. F9 CMH-SFO would sure be a nice addition, surely F9 has to be at least looking at it.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:58 am

I still find amazing nobody's added CMH-FLL service beyond WN's one, sometimes-poorly timed flight and G4's non-daily service. 671 PDEW to the Miami metro area in the second quarter of this year, 392 of which to/from FLL.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Fri Dec 16, 2016 9:08 am

cvgComair wrote:
F9 CVG-LAX/SFO are both being upgauged to daily this spring/summer. This is a little shocking given UA's entrance on CVG-SFO, but now both CVG-LAX and CVG-SFO have 3 daily flights consistently. F9 CMH-SFO would sure be a nice addition, surely F9 has to be at least looking at it.

Great news, that is going to be A LOT of capacity to SFO however. Not sure the market is big enough. Someone is going to have to give. My preference would be for DL to remain for the sake of the hub operation plus UA (I think the connectivity they provide at SFO is valuable), but I won't play favorites for competition.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Fri Dec 16, 2016 7:21 pm

Regarding CMH possible destination expansion (SFO, FLL, etc)...

I'm thinking, now that AS/VX have combined, it would be a good opportunity for SEA 1x daily on AS, SFO and FLL 1-2x each daily on VX. With the ability to accrue miles on both AA and DL, this would be a win/win for everyone.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Sun Dec 18, 2016 6:25 pm

Looks like DL is flying their 321 to CVG from MCO now. At least they did today and will tomorrow. Not sure how long that will last.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Sun Dec 18, 2016 8:55 pm

AirportRival wrote:
Looks like DL is flying their 321 to CVG from MCO now. At least they did today and will tomorrow. Not sure how long that will last.


Currently scheduled until Jan 6th, though its not every day. Its an odd change this suddenly, but that seems to be the norm with Delta now. Also, a new 8:00 PM departure to ATL has been added until Jan 6th as well.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Tue Dec 20, 2016 6:20 pm

cvgComair wrote:
AirportRival wrote:
Looks like DL is flying their 321 to CVG from MCO now. At least they did today and will tomorrow. Not sure how long that will last.


Currently scheduled until Jan 6th, though its not every day. Its an odd change this suddenly, but that seems to be the norm with Delta now. Also, a new 8:00 PM departure to ATL has been added until Jan 6th as well.

Nice! I'll actually be on one of those new 8pm ATL flights this week, had no idea they were additional.

Looks like November was pretty strong for CVG with pax traffic increasing 10.21%. I was hoping they'd crack 7 million passengers this year, but it looks like they'll probably fall just short...unless December ends up being huge. Either way, this year will be CVG's busiest since 2011...it's so awesome seeing the comeback they're currently experiencing.

http://cvgairport.com/docs/default-sour ... ?sfvrsn=20
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Wed Dec 21, 2016 4:24 am

AirportRival wrote:
Looks like DL is flying their 321 to CVG from MCO now. At least they did today and will tomorrow. Not sure how long that will last.


DL's running an A319 on CMH-MCO a few days around the holidays.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Wed Dec 21, 2016 2:41 pm

I have a question that might be inappropriate for this thread, but in your opinions why is CMH listed so low on the recent rating of medium sized airports that was posted on this site? https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1350217.

I've been in some of these airports, especially RSW, and CMH is as good as any of them, except for the weather and the need (IMO) for people movers in Concourse B. I certainly prefer CMH over CVG, but it a great airport too.

Thanks for your thoughts.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Wed Dec 21, 2016 3:25 pm

StuckinCMHland wrote:
but in your opinions why is CMH listed so low on the recent rating of medium sized airports that was posted on this site?


Having been in many of the airports on this list, I would say its probably only slightly off where CMH is. I love the airport, but it has some issues in the areas that rated as part of that survey. The food options beyond security are getting better but still not as good as some others. The security and check-in lines can be off the charts. I was there at 545am this past Sunday and the Delta/American Check-in area looked like one of those pictures you see of the trains in India.. there were people everywhere!. The parking garage fills to capacity at peak times. Baggage can be slow and there just isn't the feeling of spaciousness that you get in more modern terminals. Especially in B, the low ceiling makes it feel cramped, especially when its busy. CMH is fortunate that most flights are larger RJs, I just don't know if it would work if AA and UA suddenly added a bunch more capacity by using mainline aircraft. It would start getting REALLY crowded in a hurry.

All that having been said, the survey period looks like it was largely done before the recent renovations, so they should move up in the next round. Ultimately, its just a waiting game to the new terminal for dramatic improvements. Hopefully the passenger traffic will continue to grow significantly and that project will be brought forward. 2030 for an occupancy date just does not look realistic, especially if they want to attract more carriers. I really find Austin to be a good parallel for CMH, but they are a few years ahead and their terminal is bursting at the seams. I don't look forward to that at Columbus, but feel its only a matter of time as the growth in the area continues and (hopefully) we get more carriers and an international destination. (Sorry YYZ, you do not really count as an international destination if getting to you on a CRJ is considered an upgrade over previous options)
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Wed Dec 21, 2016 4:40 pm

This article reports that Delta has experience 7.1% passenger growth at CVG in 2016 compared to 2015. It is unclear if this is local or total passengers, but that is an impressive statistic nonetheless. Other carriers were United at 9.8%, American at 6.6%, Frontier at 75%, and Alegiant at 33%. (No Air Canada Data). Frontier was so high because they dramatically increased the frequency on most of their routes after making huge cuts in late 2015. Article: http://www.aviationpros.com/press_relea ... -continues. Its nice to see Delta have growth on its existing routes, now we need to see some more destionations!
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Fri Dec 23, 2016 12:21 am

Frontier has added a 2nd daily frequency on CVG-LAS this summer beginning in May, bringing CVG-LAS to 3-4x daily, with Delta (1x), Allegiant (1x), and Frontier (1-2x). That is an awful lot of capacity, which worries me with DL, and I hope there is room for them on SFO/LAS as well. So far F9's summer schedule is:
ATL: 4x/wk on A319
CUN: 1x/wk on A320
DEN: 14x/wk on A320/A321
DFW: 4x/wk on A319
FLL: 3x/wk on A320
IAH: 4x/wk on A320
LAS: 11x/wk on A320
LAX: 7x/wk on A320
MCO: 7x/wk on A321
PHL: 4x/wk on A320
PHX: 7x/wk on A320
RSW: 4x/wk on A320
SFO: 7x/wk on A320
TPA: 3x/wk on A320
Total: 80 flights/wk, ~11-12 flights/day

I also did CMH below:
DEN: 7x/wk on A320
LAS: 7x/wk on A320
MCO: 4x/wk on A320
RSW: Not Loaded for Summer
Total: 18 flights/wk, ~2-3 flights/day

I think F9 is CMH's best bet for SFO, especially seeing how well the route is doing at CVG. As for CVG, I think we could also see CVG-SEA/PDX/SAN on F9 as well, with all its west coast routes doing very well and being increased to daily this summer. Other remote possibilities could include AUS, which is sparsely served at 2x/wk by G4 and interestingly I have seen ads for CVG-SLC on F9's website, so I wonder if they could make that route work, but that seems like a stretch. I am surprised G4 has not tried more west coast routes from CVG, but F9 at least does provided better frequencies. I have also seen an increasing number of connection abilities at CVG on Frontier, I wonder how many people are actually doing this. Watching videos of the landing announcement, they do mention connecting passenger when landing in CVG. I wonder if they would ever consider adding some East Coast U.S. flights in order to facilitate connecting pax, as they certainly have the capacity at CVG to establish another "hub" like DEN. It seems like a logical place geographically as well, who knows, I think it would be really cool, but I am not sure that they would do it with their ULCC model. With the events at DEN this past week, you would think having a second base with planes and crew would help deal with the very frequent weather issues at DEN.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Fri Dec 23, 2016 1:02 am

Great info, cvgComair. Thanks for all of your posting.

FWIW, I've noticed that Delta has been running a 738 on DCA-CVG-DCA for the past week, and it seems to continue through early January, at least on weekdays. It is heartening to see mainline on these routes, even if only on a one-off basis.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Fri Dec 23, 2016 8:02 pm

DeltaRules wrote:
AirportRival wrote:
Looks like DL is flying their 321 to CVG from MCO now. At least they did today and will tomorrow. Not sure how long that will last.


DL's running an A319 on CMH-MCO a few days around the holidays.


Does anyone know why DL is flying 2 757s CMH-TPA on 07JAN17 and 08JAN17? They're in the online schedule as DL8800.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Fri Dec 23, 2016 9:28 pm

flyCMH wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:
AirportRival wrote:
Looks like DL is flying their 321 to CVG from MCO now. At least they did today and will tomorrow. Not sure how long that will last.


DL's running an A319 on CMH-MCO a few days around the holidays.


Does anyone know why DL is flying 2 757s CMH-TPA on 07JAN17 and 08JAN17? They're in the online schedule as DL8800.


Placeholders for a potential Ohio State National Championship Game bid and associated money factory for Delta? That'd be my guess.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Sun Dec 25, 2016 6:27 pm

CVG has released their subsidiary plan for new carriers/service effective Jan 2017 to Dec 2021. There is a chart of all the subsidiaries, but the most significant include $600,000 over two years for transatlantic/transpacific flights, which is very competitive to airports like PIT, which provided $800,000 to WOW. This number is what they would offer to any carrier, so I am sure they would offer more if/when a carrier actually proposed starting service. The plan also includes subsidiaries for any domestic route, offering the biggest amounts to "key markets", which they list as: DAL, HOU, LGB, MDW, OAK, PDX, SEA, SAN, and SNA. They list competitive markets as: BOS, IAD, MCI, MSP, PHX, RDU, and STL, which also get a significant subsidiary. Here is a simplification and all of these include waiving of airport fees:

Domestic:
All New Carriers receive $75,000 for their first year
- ≥5x/wk Target Market (Not Already Served): $150,000
- ≥5x/wk Competitive Market (Already Served): $50,000
- ≥2x/wk "Emerging" Market (Not Already Served): $25,000-75,000

Transatlantic:
- ≥4x/52wks 1 Year: $300,000
- ≥4x/52wks 2 Year: $600,000
- ≥2x/16wks 1 Year Seasonal: $150,000
- ≥2x/16wks 2 Year Seasonal: $300,000

Transpacific:
- ≥4x/52wks 1 Year: $300,000
- ≥4x/52wks 2 Year: $600,000
- ≥2x/16wks 1 Year Seasonal: $150,000
- ≥2x/16wks 2 Year Seasonal: $300,000

Caribbean/Latin America:
- ≥4x/52wks 1 Year: $75,000
- ≥2x/26wks Seasonal: $50,000

By the markets they list, they are clearly targeting Southwest (DAL, HOU, MDW, OAK, SNA?, MCI, STL, PHX) and JetBlue (BOS) to start service, as well as new service on Frontier (SEA, PDX, SAN, RDU, MSP?). The competitive markets category also looks particularly aimed at Spirit. I also think the <40 PDEW plan for $25,000-$75,000 is targeted at Delta/OneJet to resume/add business routes such as GRR, RIC, MSN, CLE, PIT, ALB, ect. From what I understand, this is a pretty significant amount of subsidization compared to many airport's offerings, it should be interesting to see if this can help finally lure WN or B6.

Link: http://www.cvgairport.com/docs/default- ... f?sfvrsn=0
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Sun Dec 25, 2016 7:38 pm

cvgComair wrote:
CVG has released their subsidiary plan for new carriers/service effective Jan 2017 to Dec 2021. There is a chart of all the subsidiaries, but the most significant include $600,000 over two years for transatlantic/transpacific flights, which is very competitive to airports like PIT, which provided $800,000 to WOW. This number is what they would offer to any carrier, so I am sure they would offer more if/when a carrier actually proposed starting service. The plan also includes subsidiaries for any domestic route, offering the biggest amounts to "key markets", which they list as: DAL, HOU, LGB, MDW, OAK, PDX, SEA, SAN, and SNA. They list competitive markets as: BOS, IAD, MCI, MSP, PHX, RDU, and STL, which also get a significant subsidiary. Here is a simplification and all of these include waiving of airport fees:

Domestic:
All New Carriers receive $75,000 for their first year
- ≥5x/wk Target Market (Not Already Served): $150,000
- ≥5x/wk Competitive Market (Already Served): $50,000
- ≥2x/wk "Emerging" Market (Not Already Served): $25,000-75,000

Transatlantic:
- ≥4x/52wks 1 Year: $300,000
- ≥4x/52wks 2 Year: $600,000
- ≥2x/16wks 1 Year Seasonal: $150,000
- ≥2x/16wks 2 Year Seasonal: $300,000

Transpacific:
- ≥4x/52wks 1 Year: $300,000
- ≥4x/52wks 2 Year: $600,000
- ≥2x/16wks 1 Year Seasonal: $150,000
- ≥2x/16wks 2 Year Seasonal: $300,000

Caribbean/Latin America:
- ≥4x/52wks 1 Year: $75,000
- ≥2x/26wks Seasonal: $50,000

By the markets they list, they are clearly targeting Southwest (DAL, HOU, MDW, OAK, SNA?, MCI, STL, PHX) and JetBlue (BOS) to start service, as well as new service on Frontier (SEA, PDX, SAN, RDU, MSP?). The competitive markets category also looks particularly aimed at Spirit. I also think the <40 PDEW plan for $25,000-$75,000 is targeted at Delta/OneJet to resume/add business routes such as GRR, RIC, MSN, CLE, PIT, ALB, ect. From what I understand, this is a pretty significant amount of subsidization compared to many airport's offerings, it should be interesting to see if this can help finally lure WN or B6.

Link: http://www.cvgairport.com/docs/default- ... f?sfvrsn=0


The thing I find interesting about trying to lure Southwest here is what gates would they use? Concourse A is full and I have a hard time believing Delta is just gonna let another airline move into B. They could add a few more gates back at A which would open up some space but I haven't seen any sign of construction anywhere is A.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Sun Dec 25, 2016 10:42 pm

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The thing I find interesting about trying to lure Southwest here is what gates would they use? Concourse A is full and I have a hard time believing Delta is just gonna let another airline move into B. They could add a few more gates back at A which would open up some space but I haven't seen any sign of construction anywhere is A.

Just in, CVG is reopening gates A1/2/3/5, they just put up a construction bid for renovating the holdrooms and installing jetways. I think there is a good chance that this could be for a new carrier like WN! The bid states that the area must be finished by June 15, 2017, so anything being launched would need to be announced fairly soon. This deadline makes me believe a new carrier must be coming, especially if they need 4 gates, thats a significant amount of flights.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Sun Dec 25, 2016 11:43 pm

Why doesn't CVG have WN already? I never really understood why they didn't? Delta keeping them out?
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Sun Dec 25, 2016 11:50 pm

cvgComair wrote:
AirportRival wrote:
The thing I find interesting about trying to lure Southwest here is what gates would they use? Concourse A is full and I have a hard time believing Delta is just gonna let another airline move into B. They could add a few more gates back at A which would open up some space but I haven't seen any sign of construction anywhere is A.

Just in, CVG is reopening gates A1/2/3/5, they just put up a construction bid for renovating the holdrooms and installing jetways. I think there is a good chance that this could be for a new carrier like WN! The bid states that the area must be finished by June 15, 2017, so anything being launched would need to be announced fairly soon. This deadline makes me believe a new carrier must be coming, especially if they need 4 gates, thats a significant amount of flights.


That's awesome! Now if they'll just add a new jetbridge back at A23 and reopen the international arrivals gate at A7 then Concourse A will be at it's max until an expansion happens.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Mon Dec 26, 2016 12:00 am

Four gates does smell like WN. They'll be extending the schedule into summer on January 5, so we'd probably find out then. I fly them often and would love to see WN at CVG. Four is probably too many for NK or anyone else to start service, unless they're just shuffling things around. The big question there is if WN starts CVG, will they close DAY or keep it open like CAK?

Delta expansion would be nice as well, would love to see daily service return to MSY-CVG on them or WN. G4 is better than nothing, but I would hope CVG would extend incentives to get someone else to start more frequent service to G4 markets.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Mon Dec 26, 2016 5:30 am

Jshank83 wrote:
Why doesn't CVG have WN already? I never really understood why they didn't? Delta keeping them out?


CVG is by far the largest market in the U.S. not served by WN (except Hawaii). Back when Delta/Comair controlled over 90% of the traffic at CVG, it made sense, especially with so many CVG travelers being loyal to Delta because of Comair. Now that G4/F9 have focus cities at CVG, who knows why WN has not tried Cincinnati. I mean Delta still has a loyal base at CVG, myself included, and I know I will probably continue to use Delta. I think is a similar case for many Cincinnati travelers, but there still is a market for WN-type service. G4 and F9 have put pressure on Delta, who has responded by lowering prices. I think WN is still worried that Delta will attempt to drive them out and it has the capability to do so with its remaining hub operation. Time will tell, but at the moment Delta is fine with its position at CVG, but I think the market can support both WN and DL.

AirportRival wrote:
That's awesome! Now if they'll just add a new jet bridge back at A23 and reopen the international arrivals gate at A7 then Concourse A will be at it's max until an expansion happens.


I thought A23 had a jet bridge? I know there was another gate between present A22 and A23 when ASA moved into A, but I thought that was only large enough for regional jets? With A7, I know they have an international arrivals area, but do you think they would reopen another security checkpoint just for Concourse A with the TSA shortage? It would be cool nonetheless to see that open. I know other carriers use Concourse B for international arrivals as B1-12 are connected to the main immigration facility. I am not sure it would be better for F9 though, as its still an American gate, and they would still have to taxi over to their area for departure.

The airport does need to work on their plan to extend Concourse A to the west, but that is going to take years. I am not sure what they are going to do about gates. I guess AA could consolidate by parking 2 CRJ's at a gate, giving up a few gates, but that is a less-than-ideal situation. With C beyond usability, T1/2 gone, and DL having a lock on B, there is quite a predicament.

msycajun wrote:
Four gates does smell like WN. They'll be extending the schedule into summer on January 5, so we'd probably find out then. I fly them often and would love to see WN at CVG. Four is probably too many for NK or anyone else to start service, unless they're just shuffling things around. The big question there is if WN starts CVG, will they close DAY or keep it open like CAK?

Delta expansion would be nice as well, would love to see daily service return to MSY-CVG on them or WN. G4 is better than nothing, but I would hope CVG would extend incentives to get someone else to start more frequent service to G4 markets.


If they start at CVG, I bet they will close DAY, especially with G4 setting up at DAY. I think G4 is a much better carrier for DAY than WN, but keeping CAK open has always confused me, then again, I do not know a lot about the CLE market. A few users and myself have predicted that DL may take another shot at the MSY/JAX/SAN/PHX market with recent expansions at CVG in flights by even Delta, but for now thats just a rumor. The official "reason" Delta cut these flights was the pilot shortage and weaker profitability, not necessarily weak pax demand, but a subsidiary might make these routes more attractive to them again.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Mon Dec 26, 2016 3:20 pm

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I thought A23 had a jet bridge? I know there was another gate between present A22 and A23 when ASA moved into A, but I thought that was only large enough for regional jets? With A7, I know they have an international arrivals area, but do you think they would reopen another security checkpoint just for Concourse A with the TSA shortage? It would be cool nonetheless to see that open. I know other carriers use Concourse B for international arrivals as B1-12 are connected to the main immigration facility. I am not sure it would be better for F9 though, as its still an American gate, and they would still have to taxi over to their area for departure.


A23 has a gate painted there but there is no jetbridge. The gate is painted in the new alternate colors (green and black) and is big enough to fit an A320 so Allegiant and Frontier would be able to use it as long as nothing bigger than an A321 is parked at A22. I know American uses A7 but with more and more Vacation Express flight being added and Frontier now flying regular service to Cancun (even though it's once a week) and it wouldn't surprise me if Allegiant were to add some sort of international service I think it only makes sense to reopen A7 for international use at some point in the future. It is also being said around the ramp that American will be starting mainline service at CVG in 2017. I'm not sure where it will be going but I've heard it will be on the MD-88's.

So after A1,2,3, and 5 get added back it wouldn't surprise me if there were a gate shakeup to try and consolidate carrier operations. American still uses gates A6,7,8,9, and 15 with United using A10,11,12,13. A14 is considered a common use gate but is used more by United to park RON's at than anybody else. A16 is Air Canada's gate and it only sees 3 flights a day. A18 and 22 are Frontier's with Allegiant using A17,19, and 21. If I'm not mistaken, A17 is considered a common use gate too but only Allegiant uses it so they might have taken it over now. The airport says A4 is OneJet's gate with charters using it on the weekend. It's a shame there isn't a true ground level gate for OneJet to use so that they aren't taking up an entire jetbridged gate that is capable of holding everything up to a B763.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Tue Dec 27, 2016 3:18 pm

AirportRival wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
I thought A23 had a jet bridge? I know there was another gate between present A22 and A23 when ASA moved into A, but I thought that was only large enough for regional jets? With A7, I know they have an international arrivals area, but do you think they would reopen another security checkpoint just for Concourse A with the TSA shortage? It would be cool nonetheless to see that open. I know other carriers use Concourse B for international arrivals as B1-12 are connected to the main immigration facility. I am not sure it would be better for F9 though, as its still an American gate, and they would still have to taxi over to their area for departure.


A23 has a gate painted there but there is no jetbridge. The gate is painted in the new alternate colors (green and black) and is big enough to fit an A320 so Allegiant and Frontier would be able to use it as long as nothing bigger than an A321 is parked at A22. I know American uses A7 but with more and more Vacation Express flight being added and Frontier now flying regular service to Cancun (even though it's once a week) and it wouldn't surprise me if Allegiant were to add some sort of international service I think it only makes sense to reopen A7 for international use at some point in the future. It is also being said around the ramp that American will be starting mainline service at CVG in 2017. I'm not sure where it will be going but I've heard it will be on the MD-88's.

So after A1,2,3, and 5 get added back it wouldn't surprise me if there were a gate shakeup to try and consolidate carrier operations. American still uses gates A6,7,8,9, and 15 with United using A10,11,12,13. A14 is considered a common use gate but is used more by United to park RON's at than anybody else. A16 is Air Canada's gate and it only sees 3 flights a day. A18 and 22 are Frontier's with Allegiant using A17,19, and 21. If I'm not mistaken, A17 is considered a common use gate too but only Allegiant uses it so they might have taken it over now. The airport says A4 is OneJet's gate with charters using it on the weekend. It's a shame there isn't a true ground level gate for OneJet to use so that they aren't taking up an entire jetbridged gate that is capable of holding everything up to a B763.


Is there a line at gate A20, I know there is no jetway, but for some reason its listed on CVG's website map. It looks like this gate was never used, a jetway was there until 2012, but gates A18/22 appear to have always overlapped the area. I am guessing its probably too small for an aircraft if both A18/22 have an A320. Also, there was never a gate A2, the project description talks about a holdroom for A1/2 and another for A3/5, so it must be connected to that little area by gate A1. I would guess that this gate will go out west towards Terminal 2, however that is a tight fit. This would actually work well for OneJet, as you could orient the plane sideways and board form the tarmac, which I think could avoid the taxiway, eliminating the need to fit a large jetway. Then A1/3/4/5 could be used by WN or the carrier that picks up these gates.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Tue Dec 27, 2016 4:24 pm

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is there a line at gate A20, I know there is no jetway, but for some reason its listed on CVG's website map. It looks like this gate was never used, a jetway was there until 2012, but gates A18/22 appear to have always overlapped the area. I am guessing its probably too small for an aircraft if both A18/22 have an A320. Also, there was never a gate A2, the project description talks about a holdroom for A1/2 and another for A3/5, so it must be connected to that little area by gate A1. I would guess that this gate will go out west towards Terminal 2, however that is a tight fit. This would actually work well for OneJet, as you could orient the plane sideways and board form the tarmac, which I think could avoid the taxiway, eliminating the need to fit a large jetway. Then A1/3/4/5 could be used by WN or the carrier that picks up these gates.


I don't believe there is a line painted for A20. I've never understood why there is a gate there simply because it doesn't fit due to A18 & 22 like you said. I guess it could be possible to make an A2 facing West out of the A1 waiting area but the airport would most likely have to move the road and taxiway there. Not an impossible task but I'm not sure it's one the airport will do. There is also an entrance to the bagroom on that side that needs to be considered. Speaking of bagroom, the airport needs to overhaul the baggage system if another airline is going to add a significant operation out of Concourse A. There just isn't enough room in the current baggage makeup area for a Southwest. This could be alleviated by reactivating the old bagroom down by Allegiant's and Frontier's gates. All the equipment would have to be replaced but that is the only choice I see that the airport would have.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Wed Dec 28, 2016 8:12 pm

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I don't believe there is a line painted for A20. I've never understood why there is a gate there simply because it doesn't fit due to A18 & 22 like you said. I guess it could be possible to make an A2 facing West out of the A1 waiting area but the airport would most likely have to move the road and taxiway there. Not an impossible task but I'm not sure it's one the airport will do. There is also an entrance to the bagroom on that side that needs to be considered. Speaking of bagroom, the airport needs to overhaul the baggage system if another airline is going to add a significant operation out of Concourse A. There just isn't enough room in the current baggage makeup area for a Southwest. This could be alleviated by reactivating the old bagroom down by Allegiant's and Frontier's gates. All the equipment would have to be replaced but that is the only choice I see that the airport would have.


They are also going to need more ticket space in Terminal 3, as its getting quite crowded on the non-Delta side. Delta has way too much space for itself and I belive their lease on that side ends in 2018, so I wonder if they will actually keep all of it. They have a great setup, with seperate lines for SkyMiles, Regular Pax, and a Specail Help Line, but I have only seen it completely full a few times in recent years. I wonder if they are going to update their master plan soon, because the current plans will significantly downsize gate/ticket space, which is going to be needed if Delta holds its current capacity at CVG.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Wed Dec 28, 2016 9:07 pm

It's interesting that CMH and CVG have similar issues when it comes to available gate/counter space. CMH also has only a handful of gates and counters available, as has been discussed before. They may not have helped their case by taking the "around the corner" counters away just before the checkpoints at A and C.

DAY, on the other hand, has room for takers. I think it's been a while since they updated their terminal maps, but AA has A11, 14-16, 18, 20, WN shows A21, 23, 24 (though they can't be using more than one gate at this point, which looks like 23), G4 has A26, DL B12, 14, 16, and UA B17 and 19.

By my count, that leaves A10, 12, 13, 21 (probably), 22, 24 (probably), 25, B11, 13, 15, and 18 open. Do they still have any of the lower-level gates accessible?
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Fri Dec 30, 2016 4:31 pm

I love my hometown airport CMH, is there a possibility that there can be a nonstop flight to Nagoya or Tokyo with Columbus and the pretty large Japanese population and auto influence? I think JAL or ANA could work to help connect our large Korean and Chinese populations too.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Fri Dec 30, 2016 5:19 pm

fsafsx wrote:
I love my hometown airport CMH, is there a possibility that there can be a nonstop flight to Nagoya or Tokyo with Columbus and the pretty large Japanese population and auto influence? I think JAL or ANA could work to help connect our large Korean and Chinese populations too.


Not without absolutely massive subsidies, and even then it would be a long shot. There are several larger, much more prominent metros in the United States with greater ties to Asia that still lack nonstop service, For the time being, I would like to see more options and more single-point connections to a greater extent of Asia. For example, a nonstop to SFO by United would create a single connection point for many emerging Chinese cities. Service by Alaska/Virgin America to SEA would bring another airline option into play with onward connections to the Far East from Seattle as well.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Sat Dec 31, 2016 5:54 am

In the same vein as a couple of other threads, below is a summer 2017 snapshot of CVG broken down by carrier and aircraft type. Chosen date was Monday, July 10. For Frontier and OneJet, since neither have their schedules extended out that far, I used a Monday in June for Frontier and for OneJet, their most recent Monday schedule:

Delta
ATL: 8x (3 MD-88, 3 738, 1 739, 1 A320)
BOS: 4x (2 CR9, 1 717, 1 738)
DEN: 1x (717)
DFW: 3x (3 CR9)
CLT: 3x (3 CRJ)
ORD: 4x (4 CR9)
DTW: 6x (3 CR7, 2 CR9, 1 717)
FLL: 1x (738)
XNA: 1x (CR7)
BDL: 1x (CR9)
IAH: 1x (CR9)
LAS: 1x (738)
LAX: 2x (2 738)
MCI: 2x (3 CRJ)
MEM: 2x (2 CRJ)
MKE: 2x (2 CRJ)
MSP: 5x (5 CR9)
BNA: 2x (1 CRJ, 1 CR9)
MCO: 2x (2 MD-88)
JFK: 1x (1 CR9)
LGA: 6x (1 CR7, 5 CR9)
EWR: 3x (3 CR9)
CDG: 1x (767)
PHL: 3x (3 CRJ)
RDU: 2x (2 CRJ)
STL: 2x (1 CRJ, 1 CR7)
SLC: 2x (1 738, 1 A320)
SFO: 1x (739)
SEA: 1x (739)
YYZ: 2x (2 CRJ)
DCA: 4x (4 CR9)
TPA: 1x (MD-88)
Connection: 56
Mainline: 24
Total: 80


American
CLT: 7x (7 CR9)
ORD: 7x (7 E145)
DFW: 6x (5 E145, 1 CR9)
MIA: 2x (2 E145)
JFK: 1x (E145)
LGA: 3x (3 E145)
PHL: 6x (5 CRJ, 1 CR9)
DCA: 3x (3 CRJ)
Total: 35


Air Canada
YYZ: 3x (3 CRJ) **AC's website lists one of these as being operated by Rouge...didn't know they operated CRJs.


Allegiant
SAV: 1x (A319)
EWR: 1x (A319)
JAX: 1x (A319)
FLL: 1x (A319)
PGD: 1x (A319)
LAS: 1x (A319)
IWA: 1x (A319)
PIE: 1x (A319)
SFB: 1x (A319)
Total: 9


Frontier
DEN: 2x (2 A320)
RSW: 1x (A320)
LAS: 2x (2 A320)
LAX: 1x (A320)
MCO: 1x (A321)
PHX: 1x (A320)
SFO: 1x (A320)
ATL: 1x (A319)
DFW: 1x (A319)
IAH: 1x (A320)
PHL: 1x (A319)
Total: 13


OneJet
PIT: 2x (2 Citation)
Total: 2

United
DEN: 2x (1 CR7, 1 A319)
SFO: 1x (A319)
ORD: 8x (8 CR7)
IAH: 5x (1 E170, 4 CR7)
IAD: 2x (2 CR7)
EWR: 6x (6 E170)
Connection: 22
Mainline: 2
Total: 24


Combined Connection: 118
Combined Mainline: 48
Combined Total: 166
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Sat Dec 31, 2016 9:29 pm

flyCMH wrote:
For the time being, I would like to see more options and more single-point connections to a greater extent of Asia. For example, a nonstop to SFO by United would create a single connection point for many emerging Chinese cities. Service by Alaska/Virgin America to SEA would bring another airline option into play with onward connections to the Far East from Seattle as well.


DL to SEA would also provide Asian connections with one stop on the same airline.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Sun Jan 01, 2017 3:04 am

DeltaRules wrote:
flyCMH wrote:
For the time being, I would like to see more options and more single-point connections to a greater extent of Asia. For example, a nonstop to SFO by United would create a single connection point for many emerging Chinese cities. Service by Alaska/Virgin America to SEA would bring another airline option into play with onward connections to the Far East from Seattle as well.


DL to SEA would also provide Asian connections with one stop on the same airline.


True, however DL already provides that in spades via LAX and on their own through DTW. I'd rather AS/VX to add more variety to the local market as well as allow interline connection opportunities to at least Hainan Airlines.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 5

Sun Jan 01, 2017 3:31 am

I meant to post this earlier, but quite a decent amount of charter traffic to watch the Buckeyes absolutely implode on themselves in Tempe:

Charters/extra sections out of CMH:
DAL8791 B752 Phoenix Sky Harbor Intl (KPHX) Fri 12:06PM EST Fri 02:11PM MST Fri 02:11PM MST
AAY4404 B752 Phoenix-Mesa Gateway (KIWA) Thu 10:20AM EST Thu 12:21PM MST Thu 12:20PM MST
SWA8137 B737 Phoenix Sky Harbor Intl (KPHX) Thu 10:11AM EST Thu 12:22PM MST Thu 12:20PM MST
SWA8136 B738 Phoenix Sky Harbor Intl (KPHX) Thu 09:24AM EST Thu 11:29AM MST Thu 11:29AM MST

Charters out of LCK:
CXP750 B738 Phoenix Sky Harbor Intl (KPHX) Thu 11:48AM EST Thu 01:51PM MST Thu 01:51PM MST
BSK657 B738 Phoenix Sky Harbor Intl (KPHX) Thu 09:45AM EST Thu 11:43AM MST Thu 11:43AM MST
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