Looks like LAS returns Jan 4, 2017... 738 aircraft..

RDU -LAS 09:00-11:30
LAS-RDU 16:00-23:30

Looks like it's W, F, Su. I'm sure more details will come... Based on Delta schedule that only goes to Sun 08Jan17...

Exciting times at RDU...as Delta announced a new non-stop flight to LAS, the 24th destination from the airport.

https://flyguysblog.com/2016/07/27/delt ... ng-cities/

Also, OneJet will begin service from RDU to SDF.

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases ... 03247.html

Exciting times at RDU...and it seems like more to come!

So, the LAS flight.. wasn't it just for a week and only for 3 days during that week? I thought it was for the CES or CET (or something like that) convention. Have they come out and say it's now a new permanent route?

ERJ170 wrote:

So, the LAS flight.. wasn't it just for a week and only for 3 days during that week? I thought it was for the CES or CET (or something like that) convention. Have they come out and say it's now a new permanent route?

RDU-LAS was indeed added only for the Consumer Electronics Show (CES) in early January. However, DL has added a lot of service at RDU since they last flew this route in 2014, and this could very well be the precursor to a more permanent resumption of RDU-LAS: a service that would really boost DL's FFer appeal in the Research Triangle region vs. AA and WN.

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... -jan-2017/

Now, I'm not saying I'm not excited about a new route.. but I can think of another route that may occur before the LAS route returns permanently.. namely ORD. With DL wanting extra gate space, I think that's about a given for RDU to get service as I can think of. Chicago is definitely one of the top 20 business markets and DL is going for that service at RDU. LAS would be nice, but I think ORD will probably be next.

Not to be a repeating record, but MSY (2x GoJet), AUS (6w DL 717), and MCI (13w GoJet) would be great adds too!

SAN would be a great add too. Hard to believe WN and DL aren't scrambling to add any of these. Interesting that WN is shrinking at RDU.

Would like to see G4 add MSY if WN and DL won't. Still hoping GLO learns about the market and brings some flights in. MEM, RIC, BHM, and MYR would be great adds. MSY may be a bit far on a 340.

ERJ170 wrote:

Now, I'm not saying I'm not excited about a new route.. but I can think of another route that may occur before the LAS route returns permanently.. namely ORD. With DL wanting extra gate space, I think that's about a given for RDU to get service as I can think of. Chicago is definitely one of the top 20 business markets and DL is going for that service at RDU. LAS would be nice, but I think ORD will probably be next.

Not to be a repeating record, but MSY (2x GoJet), AUS (6w DL 717), and MCI (13w GoJet) would be great adds too!

I don't think you're going to see any GoJet growth at RDU, especially in light of them opening a crew base in DTW now. If anything, MSY might get a 9E 900 and MCI could get a 9E 200, but that's best case.

-DiamondFlyer

So, has OneJet started RDU service? You can't seem to book a flight on their website... anyone know?

Oh, and here's the video with RDU Master Plan that was just approved. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hPmxEug3mrk

Can't believe we haven't jumped on this bit of news..... DL starting AUS in March 2017... Currently being discussed in the OAG discussion and in its own thread.... but in case you missed those... DL, RDU-AUS starting in March on a CRJ-900.

Looks like a change of plans for AA going to LHR. Switches to a 777 beginning March 5 instead of a 787.

ERJ170 wrote:

.. but I can think of another route that may occur before the LAS route returns permanently.. namely ORD. With DL wanting extra gate space, I think that's about a given for RDU to get service as I can think of. Chicago is definitely one of the top 20 business markets and DL is going for that service at RDU. LAS would be nice, but I think ORD will probably be next.

I agree with you on the service to ORD. The added gate space in ORD will allow DL to launch (much needed in my opinion) service to the west coast hubs: LAX/SEA. But I feel that they would strongly look at adding ORD - RDU/BOS as well.

rajincajun01 wrote:

SAN would be a great add too. Hard to believe WN and DL aren't scrambling to add any of these. Interesting that WN is shrinking at RDU.

I'd love to see RDU-SAN as well but I would throw AS in the mix of possible cx. DL has a focus operation at Raleigh, with p-2-p flying, but SAN is nothing but a large DL outstation with only hub connections. AS is the opposite - focus, growing ops at SAN, with a single-route outstation in N Carolina.

With an average and fairly consistent PDEW of ~120, RDU-SAN seems like it very well could support a nonstop flight. My gut says AS would be the more likely carrier to jump first, but probably not real soon; I would not consider WN to be as interested in starting the route.

bb

DiamondFlyer wrote:

ERJ170 wrote:

Now, I'm not saying I'm not excited about a new route.. but I can think of another route that may occur before the LAS route returns permanently.. namely ORD. With DL wanting extra gate space, I think that's about a given for RDU to get service as I can think of. Chicago is definitely one of the top 20 business markets and DL is going for that service at RDU. LAS would be nice, but I think ORD will probably be next.

Not to be a repeating record, but MSY (2x GoJet), AUS (6w DL 717), and MCI (13w GoJet) would be great adds too!

I don't think you're going to see any GoJet growth at RDU, especially in light of them opening a crew base in DTW now. If anything, MSY might get a 9E 900 and MCI could get a 9E 200, but that's best case.

-DiamondFlyer

MCI-RDU exceeds DL's 750 mile ceiling for 50-seaters. FWIW MSY-RDU does too.

Checking out the DL schedule for Tuesday, Dec. 13 -- I see 12 non-stops between RDU-ATL. Is this one of the largest amount of flights between Atlanta and one of their non-hub stations? I know DL has been growing substantially at Raleigh/Durham, but that's quite impressive. Not only that, but none of the flights are operated by regional jet.

I show eight of the 12 flights operated by 757, three flights operated by 737-900ER and one operated by MD-90. What are the loads from RDU-ATL, ATL-RDU, etc. Where could I find that information? That seems like an awful lot of seats available. I know it is the holiday season, etc. - but is Delta really doing that well? Do they operate 767s domestically any longer? Any chance we could see 767-400 on this route, or is it better for them to have a shuttle-type service to Atlanta?

I also find it interesting RDU still has three non-stops to CVG.

jetpixx wrote:

Checking out the DL schedule for Tuesday, Dec. 13 -- I see 12 non-stops between RDU-ATL. Is this one of the largest amount of flights between Atlanta and one of their non-hub stations? I know DL has been growing substantially at Raleigh/Durham, but that's quite impressive. Not only that, but none of the flights are operated by regional jet.

I show eight of the 12 flights operated by 757, three flights operated by 737-900ER and one operated by MD-90. What are the loads from RDU-ATL, ATL-RDU, etc. Where could I find that information? That seems like an awful lot of seats available. I know it is the holiday season, etc. - but is Delta really doing that well? Do they operate 767s domestically any longer? Any chance we could see 767-400 on this route, or is it better for them to have a shuttle-type service to Atlanta?

I also find it interesting RDU still has three non-stops to CVG.

Raleigh is in a sweet spot for Delta and Atlanta -- close enough to have a great deal of regional interaction but far enough that driving isn't terribly convenient. Plus Delta is strong on both ends.

At 12x Raleigh is pretty high on the frequency ranking, but with the massive nature of Delta's hub at Atlanta I'm finding more than two dozen markets with at least 10x/day

17 LGA MCO
15 FLL TPA
14 JAX
12 BOS DCA MIA PBI RDU
11 BWI DFW DTW EWR LAX MSP MSY ORD RSW
10 BNA CHS CLT MEM PHL SAV

Domestic widebodies are rare and especially so on short hops like RDU-ATL. It's more likely they'd add another frequency if things really maxed out. But with Delta's huge operation they're readily able to move price-sensitive connecting traffic to flights with lower demand without much fuss. Somebody connecting to Raleigh through Atlanta arriving ATL at 9:15 may find their cheapest ATL-RDU connection at 12:30, not at 10:00 or 11:20 if the 12:30 flight has less organic demand. And thus Delta can run 739 or 757 on all three ATL-RDU flights instead of selling out the 10:00 and 11:20 but only running a 717 or M88 at 12:30. There are so many frequencies at Atlanta they can do stuff like this and still be competitive.

Yeah... it fluctuates between 12 and 13 times a day but not the most. Overall, I think Delta is down on no. Of flights but up on destinations. On another note, I guess Onejet is a no go since they couldn't get a favorable lease rate from RDUAA? It's a shame... another airline would have been great. And lastly, when is Spirit, Wesyjet, and/or Condor gonna come (since it does not look like LH or Eurowings are gonna come)?

jetpixx wrote:

Checking out the DL schedule for Tuesday, Dec. 13 -- I see 12 non-stops between RDU-ATL. Is this one of the largest amount of flights between Atlanta and one of their non-hub stations? I know DL has been growing substantially at Raleigh/Durham, but that's quite impressive. Not only that, but none of the flights are operated by regional jet.

I show eight of the 12 flights operated by 757, three flights operated by 737-900ER and one operated by MD-90. What are the loads from RDU-ATL, ATL-RDU, etc. Where could I find that information? That seems like an awful lot of seats available. I know it is the holiday season, etc. - but is Delta really doing that well? Do they operate 767s domestically any longer? Any chance we could see 767-400 on this route, or is it better for them to have a shuttle-type service to Atlanta?

I also find it interesting RDU still has three non-stops to CVG.

Three non-stops to CVG allows them to bridge RJs to RDU from places like DTW and MSP.

RDU is actually up on number of daily flights. Close to 70 and will go up once the busy summer season starts. In other news the 777 is coming back and this time for good! Unless they throw the 787 on the route in the offseason. So long 767!
https://www.facebook.com/rduairport/pho ... =3&theater

Also, in other news, I heard OneJet pulled due to inability to get favorable landing fees at RDU. Is that true and if so, how sad. Also saw Alaska said they were not planning any new flights to RDU but will continue to research the market. Pretty sad. I was hoping for a 1x PDX/SAN.. maybe even one on a Virgin plane, but oh well. Wish there was some more route announcements.. A new airline or 4 would be great..

cessna2 wrote:

RDU is actually up on number of daily flights. Close to 70 and will go up once the busy summer season starts. In other news the 777 is coming back and this time for good! Unless they throw the 787 on the route in the offseason. So long 767!
https://www.facebook.com/rduairport/pho ... =3&theater

I had heard (from a good source) it was going 787. Even better to see the 777 back on the route! And DL is going 763 on CDG. As a frequent EU traveler, I'm happy to see some competition.

Does anyone have a clue.. at least ONE.. when the gate swap is supposed to happen? It's been months since AA/US merged and other airports have collocates.. but RDU is still separated.. how many gates will a Delta end up with? And what's the scoop on Onejet? Will they. It be able to work out the fee issue???

SANFan wrote:

I'd love to see RDU-SAN as well but I would throw AS in the mix of possible cx.
bb

That makes two of us! Most of my relatives are in the Raleigh area. I would love to travel there
without connections! Every time It's DL, It's that tiring connection through ATL, and B6, it's through
JFK. I'm really hoping AS jumps on this route from SAN!

SAN-RDU and other west coast-RDU flights are almost a given upon the AS/VX merger

MaxTrimm wrote:

SAN-RDU and other west coast-RDU flights are almost a given upon the AS/VX merger

Why?

I heard AS said no new flights in the near future and they will continue to evaluate..

So, what's the possibility of the following flights? I think they could be good additions by someone.. was just looking at the map and saw these holes..

BDA (Bermuda)
MCI
SJU

ERJ170 wrote:

So, what's the possibility of the following flights? I think they could be good additions by someone.. was just looking at the map and saw these holes..

BDA (Bermuda)
MCI
SJU

I think we'd be more likely to see MBJ before BDA.

MCI would be an easy DL add I think. I would've said WN but they clearly have given up on doing anything interesting with RDU.

SJU would have to be Jetblue, no? how big is the market on that one? I know the RDUAA has said they're working to bring SJU service back

wenders825 wrote:

ERJ170 wrote:

So, what's the possibility of the following flights? I think they could be good additions by someone.. was just looking at the map and saw these holes..

BDA (Bermuda)
MCI
SJU

I think we'd be more likely to see MBJ before BDA.

MCI would be an easy DL add I think. I would've said WN but they clearly have given up on doing anything interesting with RDU.

SJU would have to be Jetblue, no? how big is the market on that one? I know the RDUAA has said they're working to bring SJU service back

Even though RDU is not a very big city for them, if CVG/PIT-SJU works out well, I could see G4 adding XXX-SJU flights to other larger markets in their network. Of course it would only be 1x/wk, but there is probably adequate demand for that level of service at RDU.

Speaking with my contacts at B6 management, they will not be adding SJU out of RDU anytime soon. RDU has repeatedly approached them about it though.

I wouldn't guess B6 simply because they seem to be status quo and seemingly happy where they are. The only prospects I see are Delta, Southwest, Frontier, Allegient, or a wildcard... I thought I read BDA was very popular during the AA hub days cause it was an easy trip for locals from Bermuda to do their shopping.. it. Would be nice to see a couple new airlines but any addition is a good thing

BDA was always full in the hub days. Frontier won't add SJU. Southwest said a couple years back they weren't looking to add international out of RDU (I know SJU isn't international, but still gives insight.) DL has better markets to expand with at RDU before SJU. SAN, DEN, ORD, and DFW would likely come first.

Well... here's hoping the gate shuffle gets finalize soon... I'm really ready for that to be over and sought out so I can see where the chips are falling

ERJ170 wrote:

So, what's the possibility of the following flights? I think they could be good additions by someone.. was just looking at the map and saw these holes..

BDA (Bermuda)
MCI
SJU

What happened to MSY? I can't believe a 2x/week flight on Thursday and Sunday on G4 really scratches your constant itch for that route.

So after looking at the BOS thread on DL S17, I thought I would do the same for our airport... The date used was Thursday, 20Jul17 and Saturday, 22Jul17

ATL 4x MD80, 4x MD90, 2x 739, 2x 757
AUS 1x CR9
BDL 1x CR9
BOS 6x CR9
BWI 2x CRJ
CDG 1x 763
CLE 1x CR7
CMH 2x CRJ
CVG 2x CRJ
DCA 4x CR7
DTW 2x CR7, 1x CR9, 1x MD80, 1x 320
EWR 3x CR7
FLL 1x CR9
IND 2x CRJ
JFK 5x CR9
LGA 3x CR7, 5x CR9
LAX 2x 738
MCO 3x CR9
MSP 1x CR9, 3x 320
PHL 3x CRJ
SEA 1x 739
SLC 1x 320
TPA 2x CR9

Saturday service
CUN 1x MD80
MIA 1x CR7

For a total of 72 weekday flights and 2 Saturday only flights. If DL is trying to get to 100 daily flights.. I wonder what would be next?

ERJ170 wrote:

For a total of 72 weekday flights and 2 Saturday only flights. If DL is trying to get to 100 daily flights.. I wonder what would be next?

Perhaps MSY and ORD, when gates become available.

A lot of us here are still hoping DL will add RDU-MSY. I read all the time about new offices of firms with a presence in the RDU area. G4 simply doesn't cut it and I doubt anyone would be sad to see them pushed out.

72 flights a day at 10 gates... is that pushing it or is there still room for growth? Not sure what max gate usage is

ERJ170 wrote:

72 flights a day at 10 gates... is that pushing it or is there still room for growth? Not sure what max gate usage is

Keep in mind they use a city gate for CDG and CUN on the end of C and a couple morning flights on the end of D.

ERJ170 wrote:

So after looking at the BOS thread on DL S17, I thought I would do the same for our airport... The date used was Thursday, 20Jul17 and Saturday, 22Jul17

Very interesting! Thanks

Got bored, so decided to do the others... again, used 20Jul17

Reminder: Delta at 72 flights, 2 weekend flights (31% mainline)

United
EWR 2x 73G, 1x 738, 5XE70
IAH 4x E70
IAD 4x 319
SFO 1x 738, 1x 320 (monopoly route)
DEN 2x 319
LGA 3x E70
Total flights = 23 flights (48% mainline)

American
CLT 4x 319, 3x 320, 2x 321
PHL 6x E90, 1x CRJ
LGA 4x ERJ, 1x CRJ, 2x E90
DCA 4x CRJ, 1x CR7, 1x CR9, 1x E75
MIA 2x 738, 1x 319
DFW 4x MD80, 1x 319
ORD 3x MD80
LAX 1x 319
PIT 2x ER4 (monopoly route)
LHR 1x 772 (monopoly route)
CUN Sat 319
Total flights = 45 daily, 1 Sat (78% mainline)

jetBlue
BOS 5x E90
JFK 2x E90
FLL 1x E90
Total flights = 8 (100% mainline)

Alaska
SEA 1x 739
Total flights = 1 (100% mainline)

Air Canada
YYZ 3x CRJ (monopoly route)
Total flights = 3

Allegiant
PGD 2w (MF)
MSY 2w (SuTh) (monopoly route)
SFB 2w (MF)
PIE 2w (SuTh)
Total flights = 8 weekly (100% mainline)

Frontier
Schedule doesn't go out till Jul

Southwest
Schedule release this week

ERJ170 wrote:

Got bored, so decided to do the others... again, used 20Jul17

United
LGA 3x E70

Thanks very much for compiling this list. There was a spirited conversation about UA's RDU-LGA flight. Since it's loaded as of July, I guess they're committed to it?

ERJ170 wrote:

Got bored, so decided to do the others... again, used 20Jul17

Reminder: Delta at 72 flights, 2 weekend flights (31% mainline)

United
EWR 2x 73G, 1x 738, 5XE70
IAH 4x E70
IAD 4x 319
SFO 1x 738, 1x 320 (monopoly route)
DEN 2x 319
LGA 3x E70
Total flights = 23 flights (48% mainline)

Also 3xE70 and 1x319 to ORD.

Not July, but for early June.

F9 service to DEN returns 21APR. PHL is 3x weekly until 20APR, then goes daily. TTN stays 4x weekly through 5JUN. MCO will stay 3x weekly. CLE returns 23APR with 3x weekly. ORD is not on the schedule.

I just read on the RDU Facebook page that DL is starting RDU-BNA 2x daily on a CRJ-900. Nice to see continued growth for DL at RDU.

In most recent news, VA announced RDU-SFO in July.

But no other new airline news and I feel like RDU is falling behind in that point... lots of other airports similar size has had a lot of international growth in the form of Westjet or Condor or Asian carriers or Caribbean/Latin America carriers.. I feel RDU is kinda outta luck. Is it because of the location and acceptable aircraft or the lack of leisure traffic? Lack of gate space? High fees? Something is holding back new entrants.. there's not even any small regional airline new entrants... 9-19 seat airlines..

I know there are routes coming on line but sure would be nice to see a couple of new tails flying in and out..

I think most places would prefer daily service to CDG and LHR over a couple of 1-2 weekly seasonal Condor and Westjet flights.

The big gap I see for RDU is NK. Apart from that, I think having a DL focus operation comes with some conservative growth and fending off competitors. I do hope that WN makes the RDU-MSY route daily or that DL gives it a try.

You have to remember that daily 777 (soon to be 787) to LHR and daily 767 to CDG is a lot of capacity for a market RDU's size. You don't want so much capacity that these carriers begin to fail on the routes. Not long ago there was concern RDU would lose LHR, but instead it got upgraded.

RDU does not have a big Canadian demand. If it did you would see AC use something other than a CRJ on their route.

In terms of domestic service, RDU had decent growth in their numbers last year. RDU knocked out some of their biggest cities needing service too. AA and WN are definitely leaving opportunities on the table though. We will see if RDU scores anything new on tomorrow's WN release.

ERJ170 wrote:

In most recent news, VA announced RDU-SFO in July.

But no other new airline news and I feel like RDU is falling behind in that point... lots of other airports similar size has had a lot of international growth in the form of Westjet or Condor or Asian carriers or Caribbean/Latin America carriers.. I feel RDU is kinda outta luck. Is it because of the location and acceptable aircraft or the lack of leisure traffic? Lack of gate space? High fees? Something is holding back new entrants.. there's not even any small regional airline new entrants... 9-19 seat airlines..

I know there are routes coming on line but sure would be nice to see a couple of new tails flying in and out..

What other new tails are left out there which could reasonably come to RDU? A Mexican carrier, perhaps, or maybe WestJet or Condor. Maybe Porter or Norwegian. But that's it. Asia certainly isn't happening. There aren't any small regional carriers that really even serve this part of the country, in large part because there are no EAS destinations in the region other than those in West Virginia. And with such strong business traffic and two daily flights to Europe, even leisure-oriented international carriers like Condor may be a stretch.

I don't see what there is to complain about, seeing as how Delta continues to announce new service at RDU on a fairly regular basis. RDU has it really good.

AC could use some competition... The RTP has the largest Canadian business ties than any other part of the state... I guess it will just be interesting too see what's next... an S city would be nice (SAN, SJU) but I'm guessing it will be something closer like MCI or other Midwest city???

If RDU got NK it would probably be to DTW and FLL first, I feel like MCO and other Florida cities already have too much competition.