tomaheath
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Saturday Only Flights

Mon Jun 13, 2016 2:50 am

With most air travel on weekdays why isn't there Saturday only flights at smaller airports and at lager airports to destinations that can't handle daily flights but maybe once weekly.
 
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RE: Saturday Only Flights

Mon Jun 13, 2016 2:54 am

Quoting tomaheath (Thread starter):

With most air travel on weekdays why isn't there Saturday only flights at smaller airports and at lager airports to destinations that can't handle daily flights but maybe once weekly.

This happens all the time. Especially at places like MYR with heavier weekend demand for tourists.

AA runs MYR-LGA weekends only
DL runs MYR-LGA weekends only and MYR-BOS Saturday only
United runs ORD-MYR Saturday only
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RE: Saturday Only Flights

Mon Jun 13, 2016 3:02 am

AA @ DCA also has an assortment of Saturday/weekend only (mostly seasonally) destinations:
1. BDA
2. NAS
3. EYW
4. MVY
5. ACK
6. AGS
 
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RE: Saturday Only Flights

Mon Jun 13, 2016 3:02 am

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 1):
AA runs MYR-LGA weekends only
DL runs MYR-LGA weekends only and MYR-BOS Saturday only
United runs ORD-MYR Saturday only

These are hubs why not at smaller airports.
I guess you could argue that MYR is a smaller airport.
 
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RE: Saturday Only Flights

Mon Jun 13, 2016 3:07 am

Delta does this all the time. It makes sense.
With the reduced demand for business weekday frequencies, and the resulting spare aircraft available, routes such as MSP-ZIH or low season ATL-Jackson Hole are operated to accomodate leisure travelers who oftentimes go on one week holidays (sat-sat). Much of this is lift for Delta's subsidiary MLT tours (Delta Dream Vacations).
 
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RE: Saturday Only Flights

Mon Jun 13, 2016 3:14 am

At my "home airport MHT " we see just a half dozen Saturday only flights a year from WN. Of course the reason we don't see more is because of money. Just st wondering why don't see more
 
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RE: Saturday Only Flights

Mon Jun 13, 2016 3:24 am

There is allot of costs involved with an 1x weekly service, especially if the airline is having to invest into ground equipment.

IUE-AKL on NZ started off as once weekly, now has increased to 2x weekly. Although this service is under written by the New Zealand Government, as its IUE only link by air.
 
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RE: Saturday Only Flights

Mon Jun 13, 2016 3:57 am

So it seems that most "Saturday only" flights are hub to smaller vacationing destinations.
 
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RE: Saturday Only Flights

Mon Jun 13, 2016 4:01 am

Add in a lot of ski market locations. although many have become more than just Sat only over the years.
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RE: Saturday Only Flights

Mon Jun 13, 2016 4:17 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 6):
There is allot of costs involved with an 1x weekly service, especially if the airline is having to invest into ground equipment.

   For most majors, Saturday-only service is additional flights to leisure stations that already have at least once daily service, which mitigates this.
 
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RE: Saturday Only Flights

Mon Jun 13, 2016 5:24 am

AA is running an extra DFW-HNL this summer on Saturdays only as well. I thought that was a weird add since it is almost always a stable 2x daily!
 
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RE: Saturday Only Flights

Mon Jun 13, 2016 9:20 am

Quoting mtnwest1979 (Reply 8):
Add in a lot of ski market locations. although many have become more than just Sat only over the years.

The same happens in Europe.
Transavia for example, started with a weekly Saturday only flight in the late 90's to INN and SZG and now operating over 50 flights a week to INN alone from AMS, RTM and EIN, next to several other flights to SZG, GNB and CMF.

BA Cityflyer does weekend only flights from some UK airports to holiday destinations.

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RE: Saturday Only Flights

Mon Jun 13, 2016 10:33 am

HA flies HNL-PPT only on Saturdays.

HA481 departs HNL at 3:35pm, arrives PPT 9:30pm. HA482 departs PPT at 11:30pm, arrives HNL 5:20am Sunday morning.
 
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RE: Saturday Only Flights

Mon Jun 13, 2016 12:32 pm

DL runs quite a few weekend-only flights to CUN that are from non-hub cities.
 
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RE: Saturday Only Flights

Mon Jun 13, 2016 12:46 pm

A lot of hotels/resorts in vacation destinations in Mexico and the Caribbean pretty much sell only 1-week packages, so flights may only be in demand on the changeover day (invariably Saturday) at the resorts.

One Saturday-only flight I never understood was the Trump Shuttle operating one flight a week to Montreal-Dorval from Boston.
 
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RE: Saturday Only Flights

Mon Jun 13, 2016 2:10 pm

A couple additional factors to throw in:
(1) There’s not as much slack in the mainline fleet on Saturdays as there used to be, especially during months when leisure travel is strongest. Much of the slack which does exists in Mainline is bunched late in the day, and Saturday night flights are not typically the most desired for leisure – you “waste” a whole day of your vacation.

(2) The regional fleet has more slack on Saturday, but the costs of smaller aircraft are a challenge for price-sensitive, leisure-heavy markets.

(3) Most of the leisure markets with solid, reliable demand are already heavily penetrated by LCC/ULCC airlines. So then you’re left with more marginal markets. Not so attractive. Less likely to support mainline, and RJ’s run into the cost issue.

(4) The lower utilization on Saturday opens up maintenance windows harder to find during the rest of the week.

There are undoubtedly some markets one could make a case for adding to the existing Saturday-only roster, at least seasonally. But I don’t think it’s a widespread, untapped opportunity.
 
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RE: Saturday Only Flights

Mon Jun 13, 2016 2:59 pm

AS just started ANC-GEG, Saturday only, and just for the summer.
 
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RE: Saturday Only Flights

Mon Jun 13, 2016 3:07 pm

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 13):

Examples: BDL-CUN and BNA-CUN
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RE: Saturday Only Flights

Mon Jun 13, 2016 3:37 pm

I found the only trouble with Saturday only flights, is you have to return on Saturday, if you want, a non-stop.
 
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RE: Saturday Only Flights

Mon Jun 13, 2016 4:12 pm

Out of my home airport (yhz) there are seasonal 1x weekly flights to places down South in the winter, where you'd be going for a week anyhow.
 
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RE: Saturday Only Flights

Mon Jun 13, 2016 4:46 pm

Another example that hasn't been mentioned: DEN gets a lot of Saturday-only Hawaii service on UA. UA will fly DEN-OGG/KOA/LIH and back on a 752/763/772, while only DEN-HNL is daily.
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RE: Saturday Only Flights

Mon Jun 13, 2016 5:19 pm

Quoting Kaphias (Reply 16):
AS just started ANC-GEG, Saturday only, and just for the summer.

The first flight had like 30 people on it.
 
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RE: Saturday Only Flights

Mon Jun 13, 2016 6:49 pm

I seem to recall that AA would run flights out of ORD to the Rocky Mountains ski resorts as Saturday or weekends only at the very start and very end of the seasons.
 
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RE: Saturday Only Flights

Mon Jun 13, 2016 9:24 pm

Southwest has done a number of Saturday only as well. Currently operating an ABQ-SEA Sat only and an ABQ-AUS Sun only.
 
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RE: Saturday Only Flights

Mon Jun 13, 2016 9:30 pm

Several years ago US Airways had a Sat only LGA-PHX service with an A319, it didn't stick around terribly long if I remember right.
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RE: Saturday Only Flights

Mon Jun 13, 2016 9:34 pm

At UA we fly many Caribbean routes Saturday-only especially in the off season.
 
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RE: Saturday Only Flights

Mon Jun 13, 2016 9:58 pm

Quoting twaconnie (Reply 18):

I found the only trouble with Saturday only flights, is you have to return on Saturday, if you want, a non-stop.

1) Most Americans take a week off at a time.
2) Coming home Saturday allows you to take Sunday to prepare for the upcoming return to work week (i.e do laundry, grocery shopping etc)
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RE: Saturday Only Flights

Mon Jun 13, 2016 11:19 pm

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 13):
DL runs quite a few weekend-only flights to CUN that are from non-hub cities.

We have multiple MSY-CUN flights on Saturdays--DL, UA and a leisure operator too, I believe.
 
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RE: Saturday Only Flights

Mon Jun 13, 2016 11:48 pm

Saturday only schedules are really a disservice to the vacation travelers who might not be able to afford an entire week at the destination. Let alone if a traveler gets ill, or an emergency at home requires a quicker return.
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RE: Saturday Only Flights

Mon Jun 13, 2016 11:57 pm

Quoting flygbear (Reply 28):
Saturday only schedules are really a disservice to the vacation travelers who might not be able to afford an entire week at the destination. Let alone if a traveler gets ill, or an emergency at home requires a quicker return.

If they can't afford to take a week-long trip, then they'll choose a return trip with a connection or on another carrier. Same with if someone has an emergency that requires an urgent return. Many markets are just lucky to have service at all with these schedules. They're not calling it a disservice.
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Re: Saturday Only Flights

Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:07 am

Porter Airlines operated a once-weekly Saturday only flight YTZ-MLB (Melbourne, Florida) this past winter.
 
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Re: Saturday Only Flights

Wed Jun 15, 2016 4:18 am

YVR-ATL on mainline Delta and YVR-IAD on mainline United run seasonal for Alaskan cruise traffic. Delta flies on Wednesdays and Saturdays and United flies on Saturdays only.
 
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Re: Saturday Only Flights

Wed Jun 15, 2016 2:26 pm

A new example of a major airline offering Saturday only service is BA Cityflyer. With the longstanding weekly closure of LCY from midday Saturday to midday Sunday (an agreement made to pacify local residents), this summer BA are moving a couple of their Embraer a/c to STN to operate weekend only flights to various European destinations.

Likewise, BE have a couple of Saturday only routes from minor airports, in my region NWI-JER is a good example of a leisure route that works well only once or twice a week.
 
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Re: RE: Saturday Only Flights

Wed Jun 15, 2016 5:50 pm

tomaheath wrote:
So it seems that most "Saturday only" flights are hub to smaller vacationing destinations.


It can go the other way, too. CMH isn't a hub for DL, but sees Saturday service to MCO (MD-88 or E175), CUN (MD-88), RSW (E175), and MIA (E175). Three of those four are major vacation spots and RSW seems to have a following of its own.
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Re: Saturday Only Flights

Thu Jun 16, 2016 3:53 am

Just curious how does it work for airline crews when there is a Saturday only flight that would exceed duty times? Something like a Saturday only Europe to Caribbean Island flight? I know US carriers do lots of USA-Caribbean Saturday only flights and they fly the return leg (I'm assuming?) but what about my hypothetical situation above? Do crews spend the whole week waiting to fly the return leg the following Saturday? Do they deadhead on another carrier back home immediately or wait a few days? Just curious how the different airlines do it (I find airline logistics such as scheduling fascinating). Thanks so much!
 
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Re: Saturday Only Flights

Thu Jun 16, 2016 3:56 am

As some have stated, there are Saturday only flights mostly leisure routes but with that being said, Saturday is just a horrible day. It's so slow. Saturday mornings is more normal but for whatever reason, people just don't like to fly on Saturdays. I work an early afternoon into evening shift as an ATC at a center -- it's like watching paint dry after 4PM. It's easy money but my God is it boring.
 
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Re: Saturday Only Flights

Thu Jun 16, 2016 4:12 am

tmu101 wrote:
Just curious how does it work for airline crews when there is a Saturday only flight that would exceed duty times? Something like a Saturday only Europe to Caribbean Island flight? I know US carriers do lots of USA-Caribbean Saturday only flights and they fly the return leg (I'm assuming?) but what about my hypothetical situation above? Do crews spend the whole week waiting to fly the return leg the following Saturday? Do they deadhead on another carrier back home immediately or wait a few days? Just curious how the different airlines do it (I find airline logistics such as scheduling fascinating). Thanks so much!

It depends on the situation. Some circumstances you can augment the crew by adding pilots which increases duty time. But if an airline operate JFK to FLL daily and LAX FLL Saturday only, it is possible they could route the one crew off JFK to the LAX flight. A lot of time the plane can just RON at the destination for 10-14 hours since it is not needed during the weekend. Lastly, the career could deadhead a crew in in advance on another carrier. A crew probably would never wait a whole week, but I could see them waiting 2-3 days if it is 3X weekly service for example.
 
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Re: Saturday Only Flights

Thu Jun 16, 2016 4:58 am

Many destinations in the Caribbean/Mexico have demand profiles that basically spell out weekend flying as the main demand period for said destination...flying a Day 2 or 3 service to a beach destination could be considered suicidal in terms of profit.

I've seen late-Fridays used as an opportunity to get folks to the destination sooner rather than a "day 6" arrival in the late afternoon that most destinations are currently adjusted to.

This, obviously, comes at a cost...aircraft time on Thurs/Fri isn't cheap for US airlines; due to this, you end up seeing a situation where the airline offers flights to popular destinations at very late times...trying to lure the consumer into one more day in the destination..."arrive at 0800 rather than 1500".
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