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SIA A310 Replacement Found

Sat Jan 27, 2001 8:10 am

Hoorah! I have found an SIA A310 replacement which can be delivereed in a bout 2 years.

The A330-500. A shrink of the -200 with range that is sufficient with current A310 routes. Passenger seating is comparable with features much better than the 767 (not dissing you Boeing fans, just mentioning what the mag said).

Stay tuned to this channel. I can't be bothered to go downstairs to get the mag now but I will when i get up.

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RE: SIA A310 Replacement Found

Sat Jan 27, 2001 8:14 am

Sorry, can you clarify. Have SIA made an official move towards the A330-500? Or is this just your sugestion? What Mag is this???
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RE: SIA A310 Replacement Found

Sat Jan 27, 2001 8:16 am

This is an old story. It is not sure at all that Airbus will build the 330-500. Not many airlines are interested in it because it is double shrink of the 330-300, it is too heavy and has too much range for the most airlines like Lufthansa for example.
 
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RE: SIA A310 Replacement Found

Sat Jan 27, 2001 8:43 am

SIA never made the decision to buy the A330-500.

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RE: SIA A310 Replacement Found

Sat Jan 27, 2001 8:47 am

What exactly makes the A335 better than the 767?
 
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RE: SIA A310 Replacement Found

Sat Jan 27, 2001 8:54 am

Actually nothing. The A335 is a senseless aircraft. I don't think AI will sell many of them. As ZRH already said the A335 would be too heavy. This is a real disadvantage. In the SIA case I expect an order of B764 or then the 753.
 
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RE: SIA A310 Replacement Found

Sat Jan 27, 2001 8:55 am

singapore_air:
since when have you suddenly become 26-35 years old?
just wondering.
 
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RE: SIA A310 Replacement Found

Sat Jan 27, 2001 8:58 am

Why in the world would SIA order the A330-500 when the Boeing 767-400 would be a much better choice?
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RE: SIA A310 Replacement Found

Sat Jan 27, 2001 9:08 am

People - Can you please specificy WHY the 764 would be a better choice than the A335, or vice versa. Otherwise, we know exactly what this will descend into...  Angry


Singapore_Air - Yes, i too am wondering how you magicaly went from being 13-15 to 26-35...
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RE: SIA A310 Replacement Found

Sat Jan 27, 2001 9:54 am

Hehe...looks like Timobear #2...but on a much smaller scale  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: SIA A310 Replacement Found

Sat Jan 27, 2001 11:41 am

Well I for one hope they go for an Airbus of some kind as I find the 757 and 767 to be one of the most ugly planes about.

As Boeing is so good at talking about planes they have not even made then how about a 777-100 for SQ ??
 
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RE: SIA A310 Replacement Found

Sat Jan 27, 2001 11:44 am

The A330-500 will allow SIA to have a common fleet with the A340s,but since those are going to go anyway whats the point.I think SIA will end up with an all boeing fleet,a bit what BA used to be.They should not have sold of their 757-200s,but I think they will go for 767-400 or the 757-300.
 
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RE: SIA A310 Replacement Found

Sat Jan 27, 2001 11:48 am

SIA can't have an all Boeing since they got A380 on order.
 
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RE: SIA A310 Replacement Found

Sat Jan 27, 2001 12:04 pm

Not to mention the A340-500s they have coming...
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RE: SIA A310 Replacement Found

Sat Jan 27, 2001 12:59 pm


Singapore_Air's post is, as usual, based on nothing. This forum would be so much nicer if people would refrain from posting all kinds of fantasies, baseless rumors and wishfull-thinking proposals.

Singapore_Air, as the big SQ specialist over here, I am looking forward to read some decent post of yours regarding SQ's medium- and long-term fleet- and network strategy.

I would be particularly interested in reading about the phasing-out schedule of the A340-300s, the phasing-in of the A340-500s and the future of the A310s.

Since you are growing older at such remarkable speed, it shouldn't be much of a problem for you to come up with some in-depth analyses regarding this matter.

Grow up little boy, and get some life...
 
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RE: SIA A310 Replacement Found

Sat Jan 27, 2001 1:56 pm

A330-500 is not the perfect replacement.....actually, none are.

I would not expect to see the A335 in SIA's fleet unless something is done with the wing design and the weight of that plane.

Rather, I am expecting to see the A330-200 to be a front runner instead. It will be more suitable not only to fill in the routes for the A310, but also good for replacing some medium routes currently operated by the A340s. The fleet commonality, with the A320 family operated by Silkair, and A345s / A380s will be a preferred option.

Flight International had reported that SIA might take a few smaller narrow bodies to fill in on their thinner routes and in this aspect, the A320 family has the advantage.

The other plane, the B764 will only emerged as a winner only if the orders will be inclusive of the AN/NZ order too. But the problem with this aircraft is that SIA may prefer to have a shrunk version of the B762 rather than a blown up version of the 763. The cargo capacity may be the main obstacle for possibly purchase of this plane.

Just my $0.02
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RE: SIA A310 Replacement Found

Sat Jan 27, 2001 3:26 pm

for gods sake leave him alone!

he stated quite clearly '''''''Hoorah! I have found an SIA A310 replacement which can be delivereed in a bout 2 years.

From this any reasonable person would infer it's his idea/theory/guess, not SIA's.
I've tried very hard to find something in his post that is more immature and 'baseless' than the constant A380 guesswork/trivia, AA/TWA/CO/Putyourairline here hatemail some of you older, so-called more mature people post.

Some tolerance would be really nice!
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RE: SIA A310 Replacement Found

Sat Jan 27, 2001 4:23 pm

I hope SQ will buy the A330s . Mixed -200, -300 ,-500 will very nice !!!

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RE: SIA A310 Replacement Found

Sat Jan 27, 2001 5:47 pm

Oh dear. This again hasn't gone according to plan. And as I know it last time we were discussing the A330-200 not the -500

Singapore AIrlines hasn't committed itself to any particular W-Aircraft at the moment (althgouh there were rumours they were going to in December).

HB-IWC (I take it you're Swiss)

A340-300 getting out thing: As the 777s come in I think for the time being SIA will replace high-density routes such as SIN - CDG witht he 777s. THe A340s meanwhile (as the Boeing deal hasn't been completed as far as I know) will accompany other routes (possibly a resumption of the SIN - Cairns service).

A340-500 Coming in: Well not much to say here. They come in. Of course we all know that they will serve the ultra SIN - SFO / LAX / Vancouver services. Also possibilities of routes to Sweden and Spain / Portugal non stop are opened up.

A310 replacement.:AS the airline is drastically slow and can never keep to a timetable they will be staying here for lon. no news about what they'r gonna do to them however, I think that in the near future (hopefully this year), they will be completely refitted. (If Cheong gets it into his mind that the A310s are dumps).

Is that enough. Would you like me to write more?

I do not think however that SIA will buy the A320 as reported in FI. 1 because the capacity is too small although I think hte range is comparable. 2) It just doesn't fit in really.

I agree the A332 could be a front runner, however, I doubt that fleet commonality is really a factor and that it won't be able to replace A340 routes. Again, capacity.

1 Question: Is the A330 fatter than the A340?

Thank you TG992: It's nice to have people like you around.

I will now get the mag. Goodbye
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RE: SIA A310 Replacement Found

Sat Jan 27, 2001 5:56 pm

The 330-500 will be a widebody aircraft

There will be two versions. A 195t and 228 t version. Fron the diagram shown, the range of the "light" version from Singpaproe is 4.350nm which can compromise NRT, DEL and SYD from SIA. The heavier thing can fly from Vancouver to HKG LHR PEK SUL and PUK with a range of 6500 NM. Seating will be 222.

"The Key question has been "What type of Airbus should ultimately replace the A313 and the A300-600R?" 1 Airbus official puts it this way: "We has two options, tiether to develop the A300-600R further (with wings FBW etc...) Or to upgrade this new product to the new gen A3030. It doesn't have official program status. At Franborough, 2 customers showed interest, ILFC for 10 and CIT(?) for similar." Blah blah blah

" WIth the standard w body cabin will ensure that pax wnjoy same comforts fround o A330 A340s. Cargo hold on lower (12LD£s, 8LD3s, foward / aft) will have similar baggage capacity to the 763ER with an additional space in crew berths.
With direct maintenance costs calculated by AI, to be 9& lower than the 763 over a 7.400 km route, the A335 in both versions will be fiven the go ahead in the 3rd quarter of 2001 with final assembly in 2002 (Christmas time). maiden flight in 2003."

In a diargram comparing the 763 and A335, the A335 heavier has 1000nm more range an 10 t more payload over the same range.

There, enough facts for my critics? I think so.
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RE: SIA A310 Replacement Found

Sat Jan 27, 2001 6:05 pm

What magazine is the article featured in? It's very interesting. Any word from Airbus?

BTW, before the last post, this thread was becoming so confusing, convoluted and thus, redundant. Singapore_Air, please do not be so irresponsible as to ever leave such an open ended post and not back it up for such a LONG time!
 
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RE: SIA A310 Replacement Found

Sat Jan 27, 2001 6:13 pm

My apologies my dear marchelduchamp. Not trying to be nasty but.

I WENT TO BED! Yes, it's a bit unfortunate that as I sleep, it's afternoon or evening in America.

Yes my dad brings me magazines from the magazine:

Planet Aerospace

£2.75, $4.50

Yes it's a very good magazine, very proffessional and concise.

There is no word from Airbus. As above it is not an official aircraft. it's just in a design stage, they haven't even done a feasability study! so how they're gonna get the go-ahead in the 3rd 1.25 of 2001 I dunno!

But thank you.
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RE: SIA A310 Replacement Found

Sat Jan 27, 2001 6:41 pm

Singapore_Air - to answer you question the A340 and A330 (in fact, all airbus widebodies except the A380 of course) share the same fuselage profile, so no, the A330 is not 'fatter' than the A340. You wouldnt be able to point me to a website for the magazine with the diagrams etc, I would be interested to read it for myself...

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RE: SIA A310 Replacement Found

Sat Jan 27, 2001 7:25 pm

Well not really. I suppose you could try Airbus.com actually yes, they have diagrams and drawings (although I can't open them. i don't have their file type thingy).
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RE: SIA A310 Replacement Found

Sat Jan 27, 2001 7:28 pm

Diagrams and drawings of the A330-500??? Where, I have never seen them there before...

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RE: SIA A310 Replacement Found

Sat Jan 27, 2001 8:54 pm

Singapore_air: Happy Birthday, again and again and again, because a few weeks ago you were younger that me (I'm 16) and today you're between 26 & 35. Magical!
 
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RE: SIA A310 Replacement Found

Sat Jan 27, 2001 9:07 pm

Hkgspotter1 wrote:

Well I for one hope they go for an Airbus of some kind as I find the 757 and 767 to be one of the most ugly planes about.

As Boeing is so good at talking about planes they have not even made then how about a 777-100 for SQ ??


Not that i really care about this, but I want to point something out about people's maturity levels.

Had somebody wrote that the A330/340 are among the most ugly aircraft, this thread would have 169 posts by now and would have descended into one of the usual A vs. B flamewars.

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RE: SIA A310 Replacement Found

Sat Jan 27, 2001 9:39 pm

To end this nonsense posting (all cause by the content and the sudden drastic changed of his age) by Singapore_Air, please end this posting by stop responding to this topic

My feelings: get excited for nothing and making me sick after that. Please think twice before you want to post any new topic.
 
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RE: SIA A310 Replacement Found

Sat Jan 27, 2001 9:48 pm

Hkgspotter1,

I agree with you, the 757 and 767 are indeed some of the most ugly aircraft on this planet. But of course this is only my personal opinion  Smile

BTW, why would the 764 be a much better choice???
If I'm not mistaken, the 764 competes with the A330-200, not the proposed A330-500.
 
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RE: SIA A310 Replacement Found

Sun Jan 28, 2001 12:42 am

No there are no plans of the A330-500. There is a picture in the magazine which I could scan in.

Yes the 767-400 does compete with the A330-200 but if the A330-500, it will directly compete with that also. Note the heavier A335 has more range and payload than the 764.

I think the age in my profile is irrelevant to this post.

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RE: SIA A310 Replacement Found

Sun Jan 28, 2001 1:29 am

Your profile is extreamely relevant to this topic.
If we know you've lied on your profile (which you have), then why should we beleive anything else you write?

Jamie.
 
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RE: SIA A310 Replacement Found

Sun Jan 28, 2001 6:08 pm

Yes Engalndair, I now see. You have opened my eyes and enlightened me. Let's say I'm sorry. I do have my reasons for changing my age though.

Just to point out that all the info above is true. I believe that this year, SIA will choose a replacement for the A310, most likely the A335 (if it goes ahead) or the A332 or the 764 (unlikely in my POV).

The topic is closed
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RE: SIA A310 Replacement Found

Sun Jan 28, 2001 6:44 pm

My feeling is that there is a very good chance that the A330-200, would be SIA's ultimate choice. Firstly recent rumours have it that ANZ,Ansett will be making their fleet choices soon and Qantas's recent order of A330-200/300 may have a bearing here. The A330-200's flexibility in Qantas's eyes for long and short haul operations, may infuence ANZ/Ansett to make the same choice as well. Plus of course rumours that both airlines want to move away from the 767 due to their recent problem with the aircraft, I see a good possibility of a joint order of the A330-200. The only problem is that the A330-200 has a larger capacity than the A310. However in a 3 class configuration, this is not such a big jump and SIA have in recent times been in need of more capacity. As for the A330-500, its launch is questionable and it might be too heavy and aircraft for the airline's needs.
 
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RE: SIA A310 Replacement Found

Mon Jan 29, 2001 12:03 pm

suggest that we wait and see until harder facts materialze, possibly in the form of LOU's, sq or AI/Boeing press releases, better insider info.

i am with jubilee777, as previously stated, that sq will NOT go for either the 767 or 757 (regardless of -300/-400 or whatever verion) due to the inability of these two a/c to meet up with sq's regional lower deck freight policy
 
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RE: SIA A310 Replacement Found

Mon Jan 29, 2001 1:52 pm

I agree also with jubilee too
B757 and B767 is out of the picture .. Now the current favourties has to be A332 .. Unless Boeing or Airbus can build a plane which meets SQ criteria , i dont see them buying any other planes .. A320 family is out of the question too
 
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RE: SIA A310 Replacement Found

Mon Jan 29, 2001 2:12 pm

I do have my reasons for changing my age though

We all have reasons, but that doesn't make it right. I would love to change my age too (espescially since I'm only a few months away from 21) but honesty usually prevails for most people. I will judge all your posts accordingly, Singapore_Air.

In terms of the A330-500, I think Airbus is gaugeing reaction before they make a big deal about it. I assume Hapag Lloyd and Lufthansa are the deciding factors along with SIA...replacing their A300 and A310 fleets.
 
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RE: SIA A310 Replacement Found

Mon Jan 29, 2001 2:27 pm

Hey Singapore_Air!
It's kinda funny though when you said that YOU found the A310 replacement for SIA, instead of AI, Boeing or SIA themselves! Hahahahha  Smokin cool Jez joking there, no heart feelings
 
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RE: SIA A310 Replacement Found

Mon Jan 29, 2001 3:09 pm

Either way it doesn't matter.

To me as a passenger, as long as SIA makes their A330-200/500 or 767 or whichever they're going to order, have a comfortable and cozy ambience (and seats of course), I will continue flying with them.

 
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RE: SIA A310 Replacement Found

Tue Jan 30, 2001 4:38 am

Just to bring an end to this discussion: :-(

Airbus today announced that the launch of the A330-500 has been delayed until an unknown date (i.e. when there are enough customers!).

Hmmm, what will SIA do now? A321, B764, B753 come to mind...

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RE: SIA A310 Replacement Found

Tue Jan 30, 2001 5:50 am

I think Singapore Airlines will restrict their A310 replacement to widebodies.

In my opinion, the most logical thing for them to do would be to order the A330-200, and possibly the A330-300 for routes that can support the capacity those types offer. At the same time, for thinner routes A321 and A320 aircraft could be ordered, to be operated by SilkAir to on those routes.

By doing this, Singapore Airlines maintain an all-Widebody fleet, with a good increase in freight capability that the A330 brings. Lower volume routes will be made more viable by using SlikAir A321s, with lower costs due to smaller aircraft the lower overheads of SilkAir.

Singapore Airlines have already operated the B757-200, but chose the A310 over it - Basically because the 757 wasn't big enough and isn't a widebody. Very unlikely SIA would order the B757-300.

The 767 remains a possibility, but it wouldn't offer the levels of flexibility with the 777 fleet, that the combined A319/320/321/330/3340 fleets of Singapore Airlines/SlikAir would bring.

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Singapore_Air,
You believe that people have a low opinion of people in your age group. In many cases this is justified due to the quality/content of their postings. Do you think openly lying, and changing your age in your profile will improve people's opinions about you and give you some credibility?

By by inventin a false profile, you've shot yourself in the foot, and proved the point of those you claim don't respect posts of younger users.

In anycase, you aren't the only person who's lied about their age in their profile, thing is it's actually pretty obvious to most people when someone does this. From the language people use, their manner, and their general level of maturity you can usually spot a false userprofile.

You'd actually have more credibility if you admitted you were wrong, and changed your profile back.
 
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RE: SIA A310 Replacement Found

Tue Jan 30, 2001 6:39 am

I thoughtht I had changed my profile earlier but unfortunately I didn't. Oh what a nite. My parents are arguing over the in-laws. Oh dear! Oh shut up!

Crosswind: Yes i do agree. I made a false move. Bad PR I say.

Yes I do agre with you anyway, SIA will always have widebodies. I can't imagine a non-widebody aircraft in SIA's fleet (OK the 757 and 707 but that was donkey's ago) (And asses or arses!)

Yes Anyway, for my breaking news (somebody deleted my dinner post):

From Flight International Magazine

Boeing reveals 20XX projet!!

Blah blah, working on a long term succesosort to replace the 20 yr old 757/767 design. Studying a common airframe "family"

20XX though to be loking at generally a 180-300 seat size and at versatile performance covering all from 1850km - 11k km (1k - 6k nautical miles). The air craft fits in below 777 and above 737NG. Unconfrimed press reports in the US said that one of the options being considered in a 250 seat travelling at Mach-0.95

Yes well that's Boeing's plan will take some time to implement as as WorldTraveller said, the A335 is on hold. WHen I heard that my heart sank (not literally), SIA's chance of replacing those bangers had been dished out the window along with the horrible caviar.

Well my parents have settled down and so have I

You are the doziest link
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RE: SIA A310 Replacement Found

Tue Jan 30, 2001 11:44 am

20XX? Please, another shelved project. Thankfully!
-Tom
 
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RE: SIA A310 Replacement Found

Tue Jan 30, 2001 2:53 pm

i think they'll buy the A332,as the got the A340,it make sense.why would they wants to sell the A310,it's a got plane for long thin route at AF we plan to keep them for a while.
 
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RE: SIA A310 Replacement Found

Tue Jan 30, 2001 3:04 pm

Perhaps the best replacement for SQ's old A310s are.........new A310's! Frankly, there really isn't any other current aircraft that has similar range and capacity AND can acommodate LD-3's.

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RE: SIA A310 Replacement Found

Tue Jan 30, 2001 5:23 pm

Yes...new A310s with replaced LCD cockpits much like the A340s since they want to maintain commonality. Maybe about 8 A310s and 10 A330s?? Oh...don't forget the KrisWorld PTVs.
 
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RE: SIA A310 Replacement Found

Wed Jan 31, 2001 1:27 am

That's an interesting paradox. Replacing the 313s with 313s.

I would suppose that would suffice for the moment. But I still prefer a new model, not based on an 1800s design. They don't look as cute as the other planes either.

I think at the moment, if they want an immediate replacement, the A332 wins it.
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RE: SIA A310 Replacement Found

Thu Feb 01, 2001 6:01 am

HA HA HA JOY JOY JOY

1000 VIEWS. Thank you all!

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